The Ateneo, La Salle, UP and UST Syndrome - true or untrue? [Archive]

JDELEON

Aug 8, 2000, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by clawed_out:
there's no equal opportunity for all applicants....it's so unfair...

if we can only file a suit against this companies....specially those in the ayala area....

imagine pag taga-you're-not-in-the-top-schools-list eh ilagay ba naman sa others yung resume mo! & yung mga good schools mentioned ay may sari sariling folders, tapos kayong nasa other schools eh sama sama! what a practice - iso sort lang eh..hindi pa ayusin ng lubos!! :D

I can understand that this practice seems unfair. It might even seem disadvantageous to the companies involved. What if, for example, the best candidate is from an unknown school and the company fails to hire her? Then that is the companies loss.

Unfortunately, businesses rely on results and work based on the best odds. The best indicator of future success is past success. They prefer and pay a premium for people from the top schools because by graduating from those places these people have shown that they are "successful". These schools are not only more difficult to enter because they are more expensive. If their reputation has any basis, it is also because the acceptance procedures are more stringent. Further, staying in those schools is more difficult.

A person not from UP, AdMU or DLSU, has a lot more to prove. You have to earn better grades. You have to be more active in extra-curricular activities. Or you have to be more entrepreneurial and run a successful business. You have to prove that you have what it takes.

It doesn't seem fair, but you can't argue the logic.

This is the reality. Failure to face up to a reality equals failure.

Whining about it, or even filing a lawsuit will probably not change the situation. And it will not get you that Makati job.

If you are the most qualified person for the job you want, then prove it. If you aren't, then do what you have to do to become the most qualified.

May Angels smile upon you,
Joe
ps. As a counterpoint, the richest and second richest men in the world (Bill Gates and Larry Ellison) are college drop-outs.

ALArchEr

Aug 8, 2000, 12:43 AM

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Unfortunately, businesses rely on results and work based on the best odds. The best indicator of future success is past success. They prefer and pay a premium for people from the top schools because by graduating from those places these people have shown that they are "successful". These schools are not only more difficult to enter because they are more expensive. If their reputation has any basis, it is also because the acceptance procedures are more stringent. Further, staying in those schools is more difficult.

A person not from UP, AdMU or DLSU, has a lot more to prove. You have to earn better grades. You have to be more active in extra-curricular activities. Or you have to be more entrepreneurial and run a successful business. You have to prove that you have what it takes.

It doesn't seem fair, but you can't argue the logic.

This is the reality. Failure to face up to a reality equals failure.

Whining about it, or even filing a lawsuit will probably not change the situation. And it will not get you that Makati job.

If you are the most qualified person for the job you want, then prove it. If you aren't, then do what you have to do to become the most qualified.

May Angels smile upon you,
Joe
ps. As a counterpoint, the richest and second richest men in the world (Bill Gates and Larry Ellison) are college drop-outs.
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very enlightening. most people seem to forget that they had a choice in highschool where to go to college. but either they did not make it to the top schools or they had problems which is out of their control (e.g. financial). if they did not go to these schools because of the first one, then they should not complain. the exams were given to all interested candidates and its up to you to ace it or to flunk it. fare and square.

la salle, ateneo may seem expensive but if you really study and compare the cost one will incur, it would be very much worth it. for example, in la salle, one can finish an engineering degree in four years (i don't know if this still holds true till now) and review/take the board in what supposedly your 5th year in college. i know a friend who finished his ece degree when he was 20 and passed the board the same year (he had to wait 4 months before his license was released to him because of age eligibilty. it saved him a year worth of tuition and allowance and he had an opportunity to pursue job opportunities a year earlier.

and another thing, getting into these schools is one thing, staying and graduating from them is another thing. staying focused, making sacrifices, burning the midnight oil just to keep up with the rest is a good enough reason for them to get the reward of their efforts.

miles_away

Aug 8, 2000, 10:51 AM

i agree with what floreno has said...if you wanna go into computer science or engineering. DLSU is the best kasi these two courses are their specialty.

cloud strych9

Aug 8, 2000, 08:01 PM

interesting points we've raised here....

my two cents: I personally prefer not to put
a premium on what school a person graduated from. And declarations of which school is supposedly the best are moot (something I wish posters over at the "on campus" forum realize... man, it's war zone out there!).

Let's just say that in my many years in the workplace i've at times been sorely disappointed with the work ethic and skills of some graduates of the "superior" three schools and yet, pleasantly surprised at the performance of some from the "other" schools.

I tend to believe that it's not the school the makes a person. The person makes whatever he/she wants to make of him/herself. I've encountered so many brilliant college dropouts and "other" university grads and i've encountered so many overrated Ateneo, La Salle and UP grads that I refuse to adhere to any notion that graduating from the "Big 3" should make any more difference than graduating from "other" universities.

The bottom line? If you're good anyone who's smart enough should notice. If you fall short of expectations, don't fret. There's never been a better time like now for people to further improve themselves. And there's never been a time like now to start disproving old-fashioned prejudices.

nerbie

Aug 9, 2000, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by miles_away:
i agree with what floreno has said...if you wanna go into computer science or engineering. DLSU is the best kasi these two courses are their specialty.

I just dont know if you guys seen the result of ched in evaluating computer schools... DLSU is number one... AMA is not even on the TOP 5 man lang.... I just forgot #2 and #3 then #4 was East Asia College then 5 was PUP. Basta naiinis ako sa mga companies na namimili ng pinanggalingan na school.. .. pero so far di pa naman nangyayari sa akin ang ganun :) sana di talaga mangyari.

Peace just want to share!

nerbie

KuyaDanny

Aug 9, 2000, 07:59 PM

We do very limited hiring for our own businesses. Generally, we do *not* hire new graduates. We prefer those with experience, and only those with good referrals from people we know, or at least check with.

This means we do not need to deal with the issue of where the candidate got his degree.

And looking back at those we hired in the last few years, not a single one has come from UP, Ateneo, or DLSU. WE have gotten outstanding employees from FEU, PWU, and even a nursing college in Bicol whose name escapes me at the moment.

If anyone wants to draw a conclusion from this, I think it means that having graduated from the "wrong" schools doesn't mean one is marked for life. There is, in fact, plenty of opportunity to be successful.

makiling

Aug 10, 2000, 12:05 AM

In the past I would say some people were partial hiring those in the top schools.

Opening for Management trainees of certain huge companies still consider first and foremost graduates from Ateneo, La Salle etc..and if they have to get from other schools they must have graduated with top honors.

Having graduated from one of those so called top schools I used to say in jest I prefer hiring those from my alma mater but in reality I tend to hire people from the so called pang masa schools. What is important for me is the attitude of the person, the willingness to learn and potential.

At times the ones from the top schools tend to be brats expecting fast promotions, high paying jobs with the least effort on their part.

Ramirez

Aug 14, 2000, 05:47 PM

I've read in an HR related magazine that there are "Academic Subcultures" that exist in companies here in the P.I. The biggest reason why this exists is that companies tend to be dominated by employees from one of the three schools frequently mentioned. This is because the people who hire are also alumni of the same schools. I think this holds true for the more traditional organizations. However, in more progressive companies, the "best fit" rule in HR applies. This means that an applicant is hired based on potential and skill and not school. Moreover, I don't believe students from "other" schools have more to prove than the big three. Every fresh graduate has much to prove in the real world. I think the burden of expectation really lies on the shoulders of Ateneo, UP and DLSU grads. Why? Because they trumpet that they're the best in all fields. Whereas for us "lowly others" nothing much is expected from, since we went to so-so schools for one reason or another. Would it not be far better for us to perform brilliantly despite low expectations rather than they perform poorly when the world expects them to be the best? Keep your heads up "others" people, we shall overcome this discrimination someday.

mamangbumbero

Aug 15, 2000, 01:26 AM

You guys can rumble, and argue on who's the best school, the one with the best restroom, has the higest CHED rating, etc. etc.. while we, from "other" schools make millions of PhP or even USD working for behemoth, or startup companies of the world.

This is not to discount the effort of gradutes of DLSU, UP, and Ateneo... Outside PH, it doesn't matter which school you're coming from. It just feels good to meet successful Filipinos!

stay cool.

du-kat

Aug 16, 2000, 01:27 PM

Counterpoint Mamangbumbero.

It is important that they argue which school is better.
In future retrospect, it will become insignificant as you see now.

But while in the process of attaining that educational milestone it is paramount that the individual firmly believe that they are in the best situation they can possibly be in relative to their situation. This will foster their drive and fuel their future ambitions. If and when they feel that their current institution is not to their standards, they will constantly be seeking a better situation and be detracted from learning. And if they compromise, they will also compromise their ambition. I believe the same applies in career situations as well. When the job does not seem befitting, the resulting work is representative.

mamangbumbero

Aug 16, 2000, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by du-kat:

But while in the process of attaining that educational milestone it is paramount that the individual firmly believe that they are in the best situation they can possibly be in relative to their situation. This will foster their drive and fuel their future ambitions. If and when they feel that their current institution is not to their standards, they will constantly be seeking a better situation and be detracted from learning. And if they compromise, they will also compromise their ambition. I believe the same applies in career situations as well. When the job does not seem befitting, the resulting work is representative.

Words from a battle-scared individual.

But what 'am trying to point out is that there are OTHER schools in PH that may not have predominantly affluent individuals but still have competitive drive, and get good education from not-so-DLSU-AdMU-UP-UST schools. I for one have experienced such age-old preferential treatment when I got my first job in PH.

Thanks for pointing that out. I have forgotten that 'am OLDER (26) than most individuals here :) .. and I see things differently than what students do.

stay cool.

ewewewewew

Aug 19, 2000, 02:37 AM

uhuhuhuhu kawawa naman kaming mga simpleng mamayan....... kung pro mga sikat n colleges and universities lang ang mapipili...

jopert

Aug 21, 2000, 12:09 AM

Just remember that these schools can bring you to good companies but staying there and getting promoted depends on you! :)

Karasu

Feb 12, 2001, 05:35 AM

Hmmmm.... if Med Schools/Companies prefer graduates from UST and UP, does that mean I'm doomed? (I'm from DLSU btw. Even though it has its own Med School, I'd like to think of many choices. My mind isn't made up yet..hahaha :lol:
Its sad that some companies, if not most big multinational companies, do discriminate job applicants according to the institutions which they graduated from. I know this practice has been done ever since the past, but if we are to change this way of thinking, it is going to take much dedication and a long time.
Personally, I think that there really are people out there who are not from the "exclusive schools" yet are miles 'ahead' of their 'exclusive' counterparts. I think what matters most in the end is drive and dedication--and the perseverance to show/prove to people that "YOU CAN". In the field of intelligence, everyone is 'patas' kumbaga. Noone is judged according to creed or finances. Intelligence is above petty social catgorizations.
I agree with some of the opinions here in this forum- when you are really remarkable in intelligence, you will stand out despite any circumstance- it is only up to you whether or not to pursue your dreams and grab the world/bull(?) hehe:lol: by its horns or cower in defeat someplace.... :D
Now excuse me while I hit the books...This upcoming Anatomy exam of mine is a killer. :D

gUy^

Feb 12, 2001, 01:45 PM

di lahat ng elite sch n matatas na tuition.. laging pinipili ng mga company's bakit ang CSB.. ang mahal ng tuition pero pagka graduate nila hirap maghanap ng work.. minsan napupunta sila sa pagiging salesman=) hehehehe

ramesesh

Feb 15, 2001, 10:45 AM

I think based from my career experience. Companies do chose people who are match with the qualification they need. It does'nt matter where did u get graduated or earned your degree. As a matter of fact, one of my friend is also come from an elite school and applying for a position he likes and in the end the company have chosen a student from one of the province in Visayas . So my conclusion is that, "Companies chooses people who they think match with the qualification they need in a position."

mark_mark

Feb 17, 2001, 08:42 AM

this is reality i guess.

imagine naman our training. my gosh! pamatay!

mamangbumbero

Feb 17, 2001, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by mark_mark
imagine naman our training. my gosh! pamatay!

Quick question.. How would you know the trainings given in other schools?

[Edited by mamangbumbero on 02-17-2001 at 12:02 PM]

palacio_a

Feb 17, 2001, 01:49 PM

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[Edited by KuyaDanny on 02-17-2001 at 09:27 AM]

BabyFATS

Feb 18, 2001, 02:52 AM

You might find this hard to believe but where I'm working now, there are no, I repeat NO graduates from Ateneo or DLSU.
According to what I heard, our Big Boss (who is American) specifically instructed the HR people not to take in anyone from Ateneo and DLSU because he thinks they are "over-privileged" and will not appreciate or fit in the kind of corporate culture he'd like to establish - one which values hard work more than anything.
Of course, this may be unfair too in a totally different sense but I think it's a great concept which allows more opportunities for more people.
And I'm not about to complain, I'm here! :angel:

mark_mark

Feb 20, 2001, 08:24 AM

ah ok.: la lang, ang hirao kasi ng training, sobra!:( 30 mins to 1 hour of sleep lang naman.:( it is easy to say, pero when ur actually there, sus my god!:(

pero, i wont argue na rin kung anong training meron ang ibang skuls. i dont know eh and tama rin naman. i guess, "doon" na lang tayo magkikita, and i just hope that this calvary of ours will pay off:):) kelan matatapos ang hell week ko?:(

RuckuS

Mar 20, 2001, 02:58 PM

Go to Ateneo. After, the corporate world is YOURS! :p

tr|n|ty

Mar 20, 2001, 04:04 PM

it's a fact of Philippine Society. live with it.

renina

Nov 6, 2001, 03:31 AM

I always wonder about the Ateneo-La Salle-UP-UST "clannish" employment attitudes.

I have posted these questions below under the "What's so special about being a UP or Ateneo student?" thread at the Academe Section. Maybe, it is more appropriate to place this at this section, the Career Climb.

Questions:

1) Will the so called "clannish" attitude to employ Ateneans and UPians be altered or break this long chain of tradition?

2) Are all those who decide or have the power to recruit prospective applicants all in the hands of Ateneans or UPians?

3) What if the other NON-Ateneo and UP management occupy the top positions exist or will exist, considering that Ateneo and UP have the same academic "excellent" standards they have now, would UST, La Salle and the rest of the schools employ their own graduates also, believing that these schools are better?

Yes, I do believe things that there are certain employment or business standards that should be changed. If only employment here in this country could be like America, then would it matter if you are from Ateneo or UP?

Management graduate from Ateneo/UP versus the Management graduate from UST/FEU/UE. Who has the edge? What basis? Is it really the employment policies ruled by Ateneans or UPians? Something to ponder on.

What makes living in this country difficult is the fact that you have to be graduates of Ateneo and UP to be more marketable. But, during these times of economic recession, I think many other Ateneans and UPians have also difficulty finding their ideal jobs because jobs are scarce, correct.

Ok, this is the pinoyexchange so please share your opinions, good or nasty (but, not so nasty please).

mac_bolan00

Nov 6, 2001, 05:50 PM

yes, it's the clannish attitude more than anything else. you probably heard this morning's news concerning the new justice secretary. he staffed the entire upper layer of the department with classmates of his from ateneo law.

this kind of attiude is despicable but easily understandable.

my greater bone is how this attitude warps one's standards of excellence. english speaking ability, deportment, even appearance are often mistaken for intelliegence. but it is these qualities that "elite" schools espouse, among others, and it its these qualities that outsiders expect of them. real intelligence, the way i see it, is incidental.

almondeyes

Nov 7, 2001, 12:30 AM

yun na nga ang nakakainis e the more employers opt to those top three schools da more nagiging mayayabang *** mga graduates from those schools. i have nothing against those schools, its just that i hate it when people turns down an employee simple because he dont belong to the targeted school!and for all they know mas magagaling pa *** mga low profile na schools kesa dun sa "quality schools" na un e.its more on what you know,rather than where you came from e..they should give others a chance to prove themselves dba?i am a graduate of la salle and i dont see any point of having this kind of discrimination in the application process.i know some people who are good at what they do..pero since d sila kasali dun sa mga schools na un e until now jobless pa din.:( hope this'll change na..

weapon_x11

Nov 7, 2001, 09:20 AM

More reason to be an enterpreneur or get out of the country to look for a job (mainis ka man, mataas naman ang suweldo mo). ;) I'm from UST and was never satisfied with what was offered in R.P so I got out.

bandicooot

Nov 7, 2001, 08:20 PM

we have to accept the fact that products of ATENEO, Lasalle & UP are the best there is.

UST? duhh!?? i'm only 26 but i have many subordinates coming from espana mostly 5-9 yrs my senior,imagine having such a low life like those creatures from the slums of central manila?....mind you they're pathetically IDIOTS.

the only consolation is : Thomasians are so adept in preparing a good coffee. :D

pexpress

Nov 8, 2001, 12:06 AM

ruroni

Nov 8, 2001, 02:43 AM

ruroni

Nov 8, 2001, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by pexpress

<< I HOPE YOUR NOT AN ATENEO GRADUATE. DUDE IM ASHAMED OF YOU IF YOU ARE A FELLOW ALUMNUS.

guess what judging from his previous posts he is from Ateneo... another rotten one

MORPHEOUS

Nov 8, 2001, 04:47 AM

aguila

Nov 8, 2001, 05:08 AM

i do agree with bandicooot that UST products are not so special.
pang-staff lang talaga sila kasi most of them can't produce results. mas magaling pa mga bedista & people from UA&P. besides medyo mahina talaga ang utak.

siguro kaya may mga tiga uste na natatawagan ng isang company initially is because yung mga personnel assts are ust products, kaya lang most probably than not---they will fail in the interview or exams kasi MOST OF THEM ARE INTELLECTUALY-CHALLENGED.

in the corporate world only Ateneans, Lasallians, & UPians deserves to be on the batoon.

reality bites...sorry i have to be honest.

AMDG

nutrilicious

Nov 8, 2001, 08:01 AM

im proud to be a thomasian! and if there's one thing we were taught well....bandicooot and aguila.....we'll pray for your souls.
God Bless!! :spinhalo:

weapon_x11

Nov 8, 2001, 08:41 AM

weapon_x11

Nov 8, 2001, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by aguila
i do agree with bandicooot that UST products are not so special.
pang-staff lang talaga sila kasi most of them can't produce results. mas magaling pa mga bedista & people from UA&P. besides medyo mahina talaga ang utak.

siguro kaya may mga tiga uste na natatawagan ng isang company initially is because yung mga personnel assts are ust products, kaya lang most probably than not---they will fail in the interview or exams kasi MOST OF THEM ARE INTELLECTUALY-CHALLENGED.

in the corporate world only Ateneans, Lasallians, & UPians deserves to be on the batoon.

reality bites...sorry i have to be honest.

AMDG

Lowlife :zzz:

PalmaHallKid

Nov 8, 2001, 07:20 PM

Ateneans= air-heads! that's what you get from an AB University like ateneo...self-hyping dumbos.

in the corporate world,Ateneans are the masters in the art of MISMANAGEMENT.

:mad:

UP, DLSU, UST : the top 3 universities in our beloved country.

plain truth.

BadGiRL

Nov 8, 2001, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by PalmaHallKid
in the corporate world,Ateneans are the masters in the art of MISMANAGEMENT.

:lol:

:rotfl:

ruroni

Nov 8, 2001, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by bongskidudel

ISA KA PANg HINDOT KA! PUUUUUTAAAANG INAAAA MO RIN! HAMBOG! HAMBOG! HAMBOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what are you proving by answering this way?

almondeyes

Nov 9, 2001, 02:00 AM

ano ba un hahahha:rotflmao: magaaway ba. the truth is..i dont believe na there is such a thing called quality schools..quality grads meron. every school naman has its own field of expertise e for example, ust- medicine la salle-information tech mapua-engineering san beda-law.etc. as for ateneo..well dami ko nga namemeet na taga ateneo na airheads hehehehhe kaya normally i stay away from them!meron kasing iba sa kanila mayabang rolleyes: e pero la salle din naman has its share of mayayabang..hey pare pareho lang naman tayong dating estudyante e..kay keep your cool :cool:

ageee

Nov 9, 2001, 02:11 AM

:rotflmao::rotflmao: :rotfl: :evil_lol:
what can i say? im speechless heehehhe:evil_lol:

coRinthian

Nov 9, 2001, 02:32 AM

Well, here are my comments:

Questions:

1) Will the so called "clannish" attitude to employ Ateneans and UPians be altered or break this long chain of tradition?

A: Not by a long shot- both schools have already established a reputation with regards to the quality of their graduates.

I'm not saying that other schools churn out inferior grads (other schools have "superstars" and the "elite" schools have their share of "trolls")- it's just that these schools are consistent in churning out competent ppl.

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2) Are all those who decide or have the power to recruit prospective applicants all in the hands of Ateneans or UPians?

A :Nope- being in HR for the past 5 years the trend nowadays is to be "school blind" however- during the tests and interviews- graduates from UP, Ateneo, DLSU and UST often outperform the grads from other schools.

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3) What if the other NON-Ateneo and UP management occupy the top positions exist or will exist, considering that Ateneo and UP have the same academic "excellent" standards they have now, would UST, La Salle and the rest of the schools employ their own graduates also, believing that these schools are better?

Well- after graduation- the school you came from usually amounts to zilch- however, the top schools (UO, Ateneo, DLSU, and UST) often train their grads on how to face "real world" situations- as opposed to spoon feeding and running a diploma mill.

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Yes, I do believe things that there are certain employment or business standards that should be changed. If only employment here in this country could be like America, then would it matter if you are from Ateneo or UP?

A: Well, certain high profile corporations in the US often give preferrential treatment to Ivy League grads and the like.

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Management graduate from Ateneo/UP versus the Management graduate from UST/FEU/UE. Who has the edge? What basis? Is it really the employment policies ruled by Ateneans or UPians? Something to ponder on.

A: Three things, the top schools often emphasize on the intense development of their students communication skills (a skill often overlooked by the others) which is essential in today's world- second, the development of their students aptitude for "critical thinking"- instead of spoonfeeding. Third: Excellence- getting into the top schools is no picnic... and it's a safe bet that early age performers do better coz excellence have become a habit for them.

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What makes living in this country difficult is the fact that you have to be graduates of Ateneo and UP to be more marketable. But, during these times of economic recession, I think many other Ateneans and UPians have also difficulty finding their ideal jobs because jobs are scarce, correct.

A: not necessarilly-with the recent slowdown- there's a point that even graduates from the top four schools could only find contractual work (if any).

Companies have become "school-blind"- coming from the top schools is not an insurance that you will be hired.

The only thing is- the top 4 (UP, ADMU, DLSU, UST) offer superior training in the aspects of communication skills, technical know how, and of course critical thinking.

More often than not- graduates from these schools oftebn have better interpersonal skills, and could express themselves better.

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In closing, well it's not really the school that matters- but the people who enroll in these schools- given the tough tests and screening the elite schools do- it does not come as much of a surprise that they often get the cream of crop.

Now- don't tell me about "it's a financial" thing or "pangmayaman lang"- these schools offer scholarships to truly deserving individuals.

It's a maxim that we must live with- only a select few can join the "elite" schools- for not everyone can have the same level of trainability or potential as everyone.

As with everything in life- there are "haves" and "have-nots", to be with the best- one must strive to be among the best.

and that's a fact.

the companies are just hedging their bets on these schools for potential hires coz these schools have a proven track record- so instead of *****ing? the other schools must try to reach- if not exceed the level of the so called "elite" schools.Nowadays- it's happening- AMA, East Asia College of Information Technology, and Asia Pacific College are formidable contenders.

bongskidudel

Nov 9, 2001, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by ruroni

what are you proving by answering this way?

im just expressing anger and disbelief sa statement nina bandicoot and aguila. bakit masama ba magalit kung inaapi school mo? lets put it this way, kunwari nilaspastangan ang nanay mo, di ka ba magagalit?

basahin mo din post ko kay bandicoot para makita mo rin na im not that "gung ho" swearing kind of guy.

im proud of my school. and im not like others that pretend that they go to Ateneo, La Salle or UP. read my lips. taga UST ako. it does not make me a lesser person or a lesser thomasian kung magmura ako. final and executory!

hope i have enlightened you on the matter.

almondeyes

Nov 9, 2001, 03:41 AM

im just expressing anger and disbelief sa statement nina bandicoot and aguila. bakit masama ba magalit kung inaapi school mo? lets put it this way, kunwari nilaspastangan ang nanay mo, di ka ba magagalit?

basahin mo din post ko kay bandicoot para makita mo rin na im not that "gung ho" swearing kind of guy.

im proud of my school. and im not like others that pretend that they go to Ateneo, La Salle or UP. read my lips. taga UST ako. it does not make me a lesser person or a lesser thomasian kung magmura ako. final and executory!

hope i have enlightened you on the matter.

well sorry to tell you but it made you a lesser person kse pumatol ka sa kanya dba?anyway, *** naman yan e. piece of advice lang sana kung magiging proud ka sa school mo or idedefend mo *** school mo not in that way tell him where you are now..and that you prepare coffee to earn a living.;)
and for you bandicoot..ingat ka lang kse baka me makatapat ka na hindi atenista (o kung san ka man nangaling na school) na mas magaling pa sa yo.plus mind you.. madami ng taga ust na naging good doctors no!and ano ba pinagmamalaki ng ateneo aside from high tuition fee and "quality education"?english??like hell! meron nga dito sa office namin atenista pa man din e kakahiya magingles no!:teehee:yan ba tinuturo sa inyo dun?ang manlait ng ibang tao?with that lalo mo lang pinababa ang tingin ko sa mga atenista..:(

almondeyes

Nov 9, 2001, 03:47 AM

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/rank_country/index.html#11
ayan pang 72 sa rank ang ateneo!

ruroni

Nov 9, 2001, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by bongskidudel

im just expressing anger and disbelief sa statement nina bandicoot and aguila. bakit masama ba magalit kung inaapi school mo? lets put it this way, kunwari nilaspastangan ang nanay mo, di ka ba magagalit?

basahin mo din post ko kay bandicoot para makita mo rin na im not that "gung ho" swearing kind of guy.

im proud of my school. and im not like others that pretend that they go to Ateneo, La Salle or UP. read my lips. taga UST ako. it does not make me a lesser person or a lesser thomasian kung magmura ako. final and executory!

hope i have enlightened you on the matter.

I'm not fanatical about these things to the point that I'll compare my school to my mother... its just way too exagerrated.
By responding the way you did you're putting yourself much lower than him, which is exactly what he thinks. Let them pointificate and call you names but don't let yourself be dragged into it. There are better ways to defend your school.

stealthteck

Nov 9, 2001, 06:17 PM

Im not from the so lavishly called "top 3 schools". Im a simple and pathetic student of PLM(hndi niyo kilala un no) pro i could guarantee na the discriminatory taste of society today, favoring UP, ADMU, DLSU and even UST is baseless.

The society is confused of the difference between intellect and strong, spontaneous and sometimes ambiguous words.
My proposal would be an implementation of fair treatment through standardized exams w/out prior elimination by discrimination.

Lets have a "fair play".

coRinthian

Nov 9, 2001, 09:06 PM

Actually (as I've said earlier)- belonging to the (so called) top schools is not an assurance that you will get hired.

The so called top schools have their share of l4m3rs and trolls- and the not so well known schools also have their share of perfomers/superstars.

Most companys nowadays don't depend on an applicants' alma mater as a basis for excellence.

Everyone (regardless of school) still has to undergo the same application process, regardless of school.

The thing is, statistically speaking, ppl from the top 4 (UP, UST, ADMU, UST) have better chances of passing these tests/interviews due to the superior training offered by their educational institution.

I'm not saying that the others are inferior- it's just that the figures speak for themselves.

Graduates from the top 4 have better communication, leadership, and technical skills compared to the others.

In my opinion- companies who base their hiring depending on the applicants' schools- are missing out on the superstars from the less know ones, and risk the chance of hiring "trolls" who's only merit is that they graduated from the top schools-

ageee

Nov 9, 2001, 10:27 PM

hey!wala naman sa school un e.. more and more employers now adays look for applicants with attitude. skills can be learned!and d na uso *** top schools no! bakit naman ako.. wala ako sa top school pero look where i am now. im in a job that i am enjoying and madaming nagppirate sa kin no mind you!plus i know things that most probably people from ateneo dont know heehhehhehe :D. Right Corinthian?hehehe.kaya peace na kayo no!

LinuxMandrake

Nov 10, 2001, 12:04 AM

yan na nga ba ang sinasabi ko eh. tapos na UAAP may nagtatalo pa re d best schools. I have to agree with corinthian because he's seen many people who come from the "top schools" pero nangangamote pag-nag-apply sa company nila. coming from the so-called best schools doesn't guarantee you a slot in the company of your choice (this is based on experience kasi ako yata 5x na eh bagsak pa din ) and i come from DLSU. just proves na hindi lahat eh nakukuha ang gusto nila simply because they come from the so-called "best schools" oki? tama na away at magbenta na lang kayo ng PC100 na 128MB SDRAM, kasi i need 3 pcs. hehehe....

almondeyes

Nov 10, 2001, 12:33 AM

e bakit *** mga taong concern e nananahimik na hehehe ...:D

edanmilton

Nov 10, 2001, 02:25 AM

Well, I feel sorry for some of you whom I find shallow for saying they're the best because they came from schools like UP, DLSU or ADMU and UST grads or grads from other not very well known colleges or universities are dumb and just deserve clerical positions. This is such a pathetic claim.

There's lots of companies out there who aren't looking for a school in particular but values that an employee could input into the company. I'm only 19 and I'm working. Didn't graduate from any of these big schools but I came confident during my interviews that got me 3 jobs at the same time. I may be lucky as I didn't graduate with a bachelor's degree but I know I'm smart and confident enough to handle the job.

One thing I know that would get you a job is telling the interviewer that you don't know everything but you are hungry for learning. You have to be honest! But of course, first impressions always last, so make sure you're well equipped when you come in for an interview. Get some advise from people you know from upper management. Think twice before applying for the position. Think if you can handle the job you're applying for. Don't ask for a particular amount which you don't think you're worth. If you're looking for experience, ask for experience. If you're looking for money, make sure you have enough experience. (Or if you're stupid enough but wants money, go to Quezon Ave!)

To all those who think job hunting is hard, apply first before you complain!

:rolleyes:

brotherJO

Nov 12, 2001, 05:44 PM

basta schools na ang napaguusapan, nagkakainitan. people in this thread, calm down!!! stealthteck is right. to end such "clannish" attitude, as they say, standard setting has to be made. o! di masaya lahat. while it's true that preference is given to top schools graduates, there are so many opportunities elsewhere where anyone could be king. try working abroad. bayani ka pa!!!

bongskidudel

Nov 12, 2001, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by ruroni

I'm not fanatical about these things to the point that I'll compare my school to my mother... its just way too exagerrated.
By responding the way you did you're putting yourself much lower than him, which is exactly what he thinks. Let them pointificate and call you names but don't let yourself be dragged into it. There are better ways to defend your school.

hey. it was just instinct. plain and simple. oh. and one more thing...http://www.philipveale.com/gallery/ Karaoke_15-02-01/

bongskidudel

Nov 12, 2001, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by almondeyes

and for you bandicoot..ingat ka lang kse baka me makatapat ka na hindi atenista (o kung san ka man nangaling na school) na mas magaling pa sa yo.plus mind you.. madami ng taga ust na naging good doctors no!and ano ba pinagmamalaki ng ateneo aside from high tuition fee and "quality education"?english??like hell! meron nga dito sa office namin atenista pa man din e kakahiya magingles no!:teehee:yan ba tinuturo sa inyo dun?ang manlait ng ibang tao?with that lalo mo lang pinababa ang tingin ko sa mga atenista..:(

aaahh. dito tayo magkasundo.

almondeyes

Nov 12, 2001, 11:21 PM

ang cute mo pala :rotflmao: hahahahhahahaha
quote:
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Originally posted by almondeyes

well sorry to tell you but it made you a lesser person kse pumatol ka sa kanya dba?anyway, *** naman yan e. piece of advice lang sana kung magiging proud ka sa school mo or idedefend mo *** school mo not in that way tell him where you are now..and that you DONT prepare coffee to earn a living.

another thing. i forgot to add the word DONT
hihihi sorry..what a difference one word missing makes heheheh:D

Ada

Nov 17, 2001, 01:46 AM

bongskidudel, bandicoot, and the others: If you want to bash other schools and insult people, don't do it in PEx. We have rules here and if you want to remain a part of this community, I suggest you find out what they are. I sent both of you warnings already. Any more of this offensive behavior of yours will get you both banned from PEx. This goes out to all of you who are also considering joining the fray.

The topic is "Giving chances to others: the Ateneo,La Salle, UP and UST Syndrome." Let's stick to it.

Pao|o

Nov 17, 2001, 12:50 PM

Look at this attitude at another angle. Right now the local demand for labour is way smaller than supply of labourers. So the employeer has a pick of who they want within their organization. Naturally those four universities come to mind whenever they see the applicant's resume. Think of it as brand names. If given a choice would you go for a known brand or brand X? Another thing would be that these schools have a reputation for churning out high caliber graduate. You only have to see Asiaweek's top asian college survey. There's also the fact that these college students have connections within the organizations who are hiring. As sad as this may seem to you but this is how things are done in the Philippines.

But one must not lose hope. There are still employeers out there that hire "the rest" based on their academic standings in school.

If I were the employeer I'd see if the person's educational background (course) is relevant to what am looking for. Next would be his/her academic and background history. If I had a bunch of applicants with similar/equal qualifications then I'd go with the aethetics like school and connections.

elle_woods

Nov 18, 2001, 09:31 PM

In response to Paolo : I'm a hiring and recruitment manager in an IT firm. We are constantly coming up with evaluation tools , such as intelligence tests, psychological exams ,essays , even role plays to somehow assure us that we will end up with a perfect match--- between the applicant and the company's requirement. But no matter how "quantitative" or scientific our approaches are we don't get the "right one" all the time.

My point is, where one graduated from is only half the battle---being a graduate of the top universities will definitely give you the edge among other applicants but your attitude , work ethics, resiliency and how you cope with stress will help you make it!

I'm a product of one of those top schools, so to speak but I also had to strive as much as the others before I was promoted.

In a nutshell, YES, a graduate of a top university will probably make it easier to get into the job you desire..but it's not enough.

:)

Pao|o

Nov 19, 2001, 12:34 AM

Forgot to mention the probationary period... silly me... HR student pa naman ako from one of those top schools. :lol:

I personally wouldn't be biased toward my college's graduates for the simple reason of wanting the org I'll work for to be on top form. Diversity, if handled properly, is beneficial to an org.

sherry0234

Nov 21, 2001, 08:31 AM

simple lang yan eh.mostly kasi yung mga nasa top 3 university are more likely to be rich or kung hindi naman ay talagang matalino kasi may scholarship sila.

yung namang ibang hindi kabilang sa top reputable schools,have different explanation,like yung location, money, or kung di talaga makapasa sa entrance exam.

ang unfair lang naman talaga ay yung mga companies na tumitingin lang sa school,once na nakita nila na hindi ka graduate sa isa sa mga top universities na yun,malamang tinatapon na nila resume mo without trying your performance.

KAYA WALA TAYONG ASENSO!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

Tifosi

Nov 22, 2001, 01:45 AM

Mga mababaw na comments ay dapat hindi pinapatulan!!!:bop:

LinuxMandrake

Nov 23, 2001, 10:01 AM

isa lang ang solusyon jan. kung sa tingin nyong magagaling talaga kayo, try it out with IT companies, i dare you. ang asawa ko walang IT background, nasa IT company ngayon. i have a friend, nak****ng, HRM ang tinapos pero Linux guru. so try your luck with an IT company. if you make it, my hat's off to you. (kasi ako, makakapasok lang siguro sa ganyan, pag puti ng uwak... nyahahahaha...)

Altwegg

Nov 25, 2001, 04:11 AM

hmm ... buti na lang pala nagse-surf ako ng mga forum kung ndi, di ko makikita ang pang-aalipusta ng iba dyan sa aking alma mater, ang University of Santo Tomas ... let me share my insights.

*okay*

Altwegg

Nov 25, 2001, 04:14 AM

Altwegg

Nov 25, 2001, 04:27 AM

1) Will the so called "clannish" attitude to employ Ateneans and UPians be altered or break this long chain of tradition?
As long as people looking for work think that there is such thing, this can't be altered.

2) Are all those who decide or have the power to recruit prospective applicants all in the hands of Ateneans or UPians?
Nope.

3) What if the other NON-Ateneo and UP management occupy the top positions exist or will exist, considering that Ateneo and UP have the same academic "excellent" standards they have now, would UST, La Salle and the rest of the schools employ their own graduates also, believing that these schools are better?
It's not a matter of choosing a fellow Thomasian or La Sallian, it's a matter of choosing the more competent and skilled person. Suppose, I am head of a very big multinational company, there are 5 persons applying for a certain position. One from UP, 1 from UST, 1 from ADMU, 1 from DLSU and 1 from, say, Samson Institute of Technology. When I look at the credentials of each of them, and then I found out that the applicant from Samson Institute of Technolody is THE ONE right for the job, I would hire him. Doesn't matter kung san man sya galing na eskwela. As I said in "What's so special about being a UP and ADMU student?" thread:

Originally posted by Altwegg
i think the problem with some UP students is that they tend to think that they are the best among the rest of the field, when in fact, others are far far better than them ... they think that just because the abbreviation UP appears on their curriculum vitae, they'll be readily accepted without any question .. which should not be the case since it all boils down to the individual's capacity etc. and not because you are a graduate of so and so uiniversity

*peace*

:sprung:

oh, btw, i used my "Thomasian" brain to interpret the things you posted *okay*

sherry0234

Nov 25, 2001, 08:28 AM

Wag na nga kayo payabangan ng payabangan. pare pareho lang tayong mga pinoy at nakatira sa iisang bansa.

so what if ur from a private school?:shrug:

so what if ur from a public school?:shrug:

so what if you you are from a reputable school?:shrug:

so what if your not from a reputable school?:shrug:

so what if other companies are so unfair.:shrug:

abilidad lang ang kailangan para umasenso ang TAO!!!:shout:

isa pa, be HUMBLE. Ok!

renina

Nov 28, 2001, 12:41 AM

I did not expect that this thread will have some very bad remarks. Maybe it is because of the school wars thing.

Actually, the school where you came from can really help for employment or for other reasons. It does not mean however that you can insult other schools and worse, generalize your accusations to the school which he/she belongs.

It is really sad and annoying that this country is worse than other countries, particularly America, Canada, Europe and other more fortunate countries in terms of economic conditions.

csx

Nov 30, 2001, 02:52 AM

this thread has become boring ever since pinagbawal ang obsceneties. sayang...... i was beggining to enjoy readign it.:(

insomniacxxx

Dec 2, 2001, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by bandicooot
we have to accept the fact that products of ATENEO, Lasalle & UP are the best there is.

UST? duhh!?? i'm only 26 but i have many subordinates coming from espana mostly 5-9 yrs my senior,imagine having such a low life like those creatures from the slums of central manila?....mind you they're pathetically IDIOTS.

the only consolation is : Thomasians are so adept in preparing a good coffee. :D

i am from UP,and i'd like to say...you're such an elitist son of a...
grrr...dapat ginaganito ka...:chainsaw:
hindi ka ba tinuruan ng manners sa pinanggalingan mong pamantasan?alam niyo,ang hindi tinuturo sa ibang universities, diskarte sa buhay.my boyfriend comes from PLM,so i meet a lot of people there.i'm really sorry to say that a lot of them can't handle high profile jobs kasi kulang ang training,tsaka puro academics ang iniintindi ng mga tao doon.a well-rounded education cannot be limited sa book learning lang.
kakagraduate ko lang last october,and i've been scouting for writing jobs.alam niyo,mixed feelings ako kasi pag tagaUP or Ateneo or LaSalle ka,para kang may passport.palaging una ka sa interview,first choice ka parati.kaya lang nakakalungkot tignan yung mga co-applicants mo na hindi nabigyan ng chance kasi galing sa ibang university.it's a shame,people,to find humor in other people's misfortune.you should find better things to do with your time.isa pa,i-check mo nga ang grammar mo.nag-aral ka ba ng basic english?
wala rin talaga minsan sa university yan,nasa tao.:o

insomniacxxx

Dec 2, 2001, 03:47 AM

isa pa,ang dami kong kilalang taga-UST na magagaling.kaya yung isa diyan na sobrang offensive mag-post ng comments about people from other schools...sige nga,bumitaw ka sa pinag-graduate-an mong school.try to apply for jobs and say that you came from FEU or TUP, o kahit saan.tignan natin kung hanggang saan ang mararating mo.
diskarte ang dapat,pare.don't be too caught up with where you graduated from.nakakahiya sa alma mater mo,ang chaka pa ng grammar mo.mag-filipino ka na lang kasi,trying hard ka.
dapat talaga sayo=====> :chainsaw:

paralusi

Dec 8, 2001, 08:42 PM

i worked for a major consulting firm after i graduated. there were people from all over - mapua, UST, PLM, even AMA. but you can clearly see that the majority of the people came from Ateneo, DLSU or UP.

im not with HR, so i have no idea whether they select applicants based on the name of the school, the credentials of the graduates, or both.

krove

Dec 25, 2001, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by MORPHEOUS

you're a pathetic elitist... para kang hindi Atenean pre.. magbago ka na.:(

parang hindi???

Drood

Dec 26, 2001, 04:48 AM

1) Will the so called "clannish" attitude to employ Ateneans and UPians be altered or break this long chain of tradition?
>Yes, its altered to include LaSallians as well.
>Its actually LaSallians, Ateneans, UP in desc. order.
>Other than that, I think not by a longshot

2) Are all those who decide or have the power to recruit prospective applicants all in the hands of Ateneans or UPians?
>I started my career being hired by a fellow LaSallian boss.
>My answer is yes in support of Question#1

3) What if the other NON-Ateneo and UP management occupy the top positions exist or will exist, considering that Ateneo and UP have the same academic "excellent" standards they have now, would UST, La Salle and the rest of the schools employ their own graduates also, believing that these schools are better?
>If the other NON-Ateneo and UP management occupy the top
>positions, I think they would still employ LaSallians simply
>because they are better.

Imag1ne

Jan 9, 2002, 02:13 AM

I work as a Technical Support Engineer at a multinational company somewhere in Makati and I've been a witness to this "clannish" attitude among employers. However, since I am a UP grad, the favor is at my side and I know that I deserve what is given to me now since I worked my *** through UP Diliman in college.

But i also think that employers should not close their doors to other graduates. Yeah, graduates of these three top universities (UP, ADMU, DLSU) could be the cream of the crop but who knows, they may find gems among the rest. ;)

Maven

Jan 9, 2002, 08:03 AM

neurotic_dude

Jan 11, 2002, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by stealthteck
Im not from the so lavishly called "top 3 schools". Im a simple and pathetic student of PLM(hndi niyo kilala un no) pro i could guarantee na the discriminatory taste of society today, favoring UP, ADMU, DLSU and even UST is baseless.

You think of yourself as a simple and PATHETIC student of PLM. So what does that only prove? That you agree that other people from the "top 3 schools" are better than you. If you regard yourself as how you referred to yourself in your post, then it only goes to show you don't have what it takes to compete with other "better" schools. You want fair treatment and non-discriminatory employment practices but who wants someone who thinks lowly of himself?

You babble so much about how things should be fair and equal and yet in a way it comes out naturally in your actions how pathetic you really are. I don't discriminate but I don't tolerate people who are not really confident about themselves.

Ellheym

Jan 13, 2002, 08:24 AM

it's not with the name of the school.. it is with the brains! meron nga diyan.. ang ganda ng school.. pero wala namang utak! mga feeling lang.. accept it guys... kaya kayo pumapasok sa ganyang school na may pangalan na.. ito lang ang reason nan eh...

1. may pera kang pambayad sa lahat ng bagay.. bayaran lang ang prof okies ka na... pasado ka na.. malinis na report card mo!
2. malapit sa bahay mo
3. gusto mong maging sikat ka rin! (karamihan sa gov't officers.. galing sa school mo.)
4. the worst... para may kapit ka! kasi sikat ang school mo! (kaya may mga frat kayo diba? at nagkakamatayan na??? graduate ka nga nde ka naman makawork kasi may kaso pa? )hmmmnn saan nga bang school iyon? :) eheeehehhehe
5. at medyo may utak!! nakakatawa.... meron akong kakilala.. na meet ko lang sa isang Internet Cafe ... from UP walang alam sa Internet... and worst thing.... kahit MS Word hindi alam... gussssssssssshhh naman...... turn offffffffffff ako!

pero kung may utak ka talaga!!! try to make your own identity.. hindi dahil nasa school ng mga sikat.. kundi dahil deserving ka at may akin kang wisdom!!!!!!!!!!!!

bleh!

Altwegg

Jan 13, 2002, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by neurotic_dude

You think of yourself as a simple and PATHETIC student of PLM. So what does that only prove? That you agree that other people from the "top 3 schools" are better than you. If you regard yourself as how you referred to yourself in your post, then it only goes to show you don't have what it takes to compete with other "better" schools. You want fair treatment and non-discriminatory employment practices but who wants someone who thinks lowly of himself?

You babble so much about how things should be fair and equal and yet in a way it comes out naturally in your actions how pathetic you really are. I don't discriminate but I don't tolerate people who are not really confident about themselves.
correct!

cupcake

Jan 13, 2002, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Ellheym
it's not with the name of the school.. it is with the brains!

I agree with you.....

Bakit ba yung company namin, from different schools kaming lahat, may 4-yr course grad, meron din 2-yr course grad, sa brains, attitude at sa skills ang basis nila sa kanilang hiring, yun ang maganda dun, wala namang nagkakatalunan about kung san ka nanggaling na school. Yun na nga lang kapag narinig ka nila na ur from ADMU, DLSU, UP nagugulat lang naman sila, ewan ko kung bakit. Ako, I came from DLSU, friends ko from Adamson, PUP, Mapua, o di ba??? Wala naman discrimination eh, ewan ko lang sa iba....

Depende na yun sa company, or kung sinong may-ari..... dibadibs??? :p

Ellheym

Jan 16, 2002, 12:07 AM

cupcake oo nga eh.... dapat ganon talaga!!! :) goodluck na lang sa work mo! :)

komodojoe

Jan 16, 2002, 07:06 AM

UP = #1!

:drive:

mrsfiggs

Jan 26, 2002, 05:28 PM

Dahil ganoon ang pilipino. "Mahilig sa branded". Bakit sikat ang armani, guess,versace,louis vitton,libis,glorietta,rockwell,boracay?Bakit in mag-text? Bakit Nokia lang ang pinaka-mabentang cellphone sa Pilipinas? Bakit baduy ka pag 5110 pa rin ang phone mo/ Bakit nag-lalaway ka sa bagong labas na nokia unit? Pag alam mo na ang sagot, alam mo na kung bakit in maging atenista,lasalista,assumptionista,taga up, or CRC

carthagian

Feb 1, 2002, 07:17 PM

hey i'm a student and i'm pretty much concerned about our corporate industry......the first class school(up ateneo lassale) always having a smooth time getting a job, there is no problem with them instant managerial position on their way after graduation while the second class schools, (sanbeda,letran,ceu,st.paul) are having their hardtime dealing with companies..........ohh this really a piece of **** :evilgrin:

Altwegg

Feb 1, 2002, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by carthagian
hey i'm a student and i'm pretty much concerned about our corporate industry......the first class school(up ateneo lassale) always having a smooth time getting a job, there is no problem with them instant managerial position on their way after graduation while the second class schools, (sanbeda,letran,ceu,st.paul) are having their hardtime dealing with companies..........ohh this really a piece of **** :evilgrin: :wave:
i think there's no such thing as first class or second class school. anyways, the problem with us filipinos is we tend to be clannish and "brand-conscious," as posted by a PExer here.
*okay*

Bewildered

Feb 2, 2002, 12:30 AM

:rolleyes:
Ano bang problema?!?!
IF YOU BELIEVE that the system works that way and it has been going on since time immemorial, then WHY DON'T (or DIDN'T) YOU ENROLL IN ATENEO, LA SALLE, or UP???? WHAT'S KEEPING YOU?

LOCATION? Meron ngang nagku-commute galing ng Bulacan everyday papuntang Diliman. Or from Alabang to Katipunan. Pasensya ka na. Ayaw mo naman palang maghirap sa pagta-travel eh. You wanted convenience so panindigan mo ang choice mo.

MONEY? These three schools grant scholarships. If you are what you claim to be, then getting one will be just a walk in the park, right? Moreover, mas mura pa nga ang tuition fees ng UP compared to other schools not mentioned here! Ano pang excuse mo??????

ENTRANCE EXAMS? Aba! Di ka ba nag-qualify to take the exams? O nag-take pero di pumasa? Yun naman pala eh. If that's the case, stop whining and *****ing around. Kasalanan ba naming hanggang dyan lang talaga ang kaya mo? Dapat nga magkaroon ka ng respeto sa mga pumasa! Sour grape!

You met one (or two or three or four!) dumb student/alumnus from any of these three schools and you think you already know who and what we are????!!!! If your syllogism works that way, no wonder nahihirapan kang humanap ng trabaho!
Of course, there are always rotten apples in a barrel as there are factory "defects" even in top manufacturing companies -- kahit anong brand pa. Kaya nga may quality control group eh. But we are talking about percentage here!
These schools (or at least from what I know of Ateneo) don't claim perfection. They just strive to improve the percentage of quality graduates that would somehow measure with the expectations of the corporate world and of people like you!
Be very careful of your conclusions and generalizations. Don't be hasty. Chances are, you're wrong. Why do you claim to be such an expert on this? Have you attended these schools and experienced first-hand what it is like? Kayo kung makapagsalita para bang you've been there and done that.
Akala nyo it's all fame and money? Di ganun kadali yun, people. I'll mention some who epitomize fame and money. Why don't you ask Dingdong Dantes who had to take the ACET twice. What about China Cojuangco who had to transfer to another school after a brief stint at Ateneo? What about the son of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo who had to relocate to Naga City to finish his degree? The list could go on and on!
If you must know, discrimination also exists within the campus. Much more, between these schools. Kanya-kanyang diskarte lang yun.
This mud-slinging is also unfair to people like me who took the exams and passed without any institutional courtesy (read: under the table). Our 4-yr or 5-yr stay wasn't exactly a breeze, contrary to your belief. We worked hard to earn our degree and that Ateneo diploma. In that light, we are proud to be Ateneans and we don't apologize for being one.
And we pity those narrow-minded whiners for not knowing any better.
I respect whatever school you come/came from. We also give you the benefit of a doubt. We just hope we can be accorded the same thing. Give us a break, will you!!!!!
And to those who claim to be from these schools, huwag naman kayong magyabang. Don't rub salt over the wound!

;) And before you start ranting about how great your school is, make sure muna na yung course mo well-respected din sa campus no! Nakakahiya namang malaman nila na mismong course mo is also the subject of ridicule among peers!
Or let's say that you're from a top course in a top school. So, magaling ka nga siguro. Pero kailangan pa bang patunayan yun? Why do you still waste time for rivalry? Isn't that one way of admitting that you think these schools are your equal?
If you think you're good (and it shows!) wala ka nang dapat patunayan. Kahit saang school ka pa nanggaling. You know it yourself. You need not impress anybody maliban na lang sa job interviewer mo. In that case, galingan mo at pumasa ka naman sa exam no!
If you didn't make it, take full responsibility. Don't blame it on us. It's counter-productive and it won't get you anywhere.
If you want to get stuck in that mindset, then I have a word for you -- LOSER!

coRinthian

Feb 2, 2002, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Altwegg
:wave:
i think there's no such thing as first class or second class school. anyways, the problem with us filipinos is we tend to be clannish and "brand-conscious," as posted by a PExer here.
*okay*

Filipinos also have a penchant for "sour-graping" :D

and having a crab mentality doesn't help either- putting down people coz their better than you (instead of trying to compete).

Instead of griping about it- I suggest that ppl who didn't come from the so called "elite" schools must strive harder to reach (if not exceed) the level.

By virtue of luck, circumstance, ability, and intelligence- people who get into the "elite" schools (UP, Ateneo, DLSU) definitely have an edge.

By virtue of the lack of luck, ability, and intelligence- the ones who did not pass have to settle for another school.

That's life- not everyone can enter these institutions. It's a competitive world- the strong (of mind, body, and ability) shall get hired by the top companies- the leftovers could fight whatever is left.

Although- these elite schools have their fair share of idiots, jologs, and the like - the point is they consistently churn out better graduates than the other schools.

period.

Yes- the other schools also have their share of top performers- but they don't churn out stars on a consistent basis.

And FYI- it's not clannish- the people only want quality- and these top schools consistently churn out quality grads.

digital_potato

Feb 7, 2002, 07:15 PM

hi! i am a junior lasalle student. and i must say that i really get good education in my school. but i really believe that companies should not choose their employees by their alma mater, but of what the individual could do.

i would just like to share my dad's story.

my dad was kicked out of highschool, dahil sa kalokohan :D . shempre had to transfer school. when he graduated, he applied for dlsu. sabi pa nga ng dlsu "do u expect us to accept u as a student with these kind of grades?" eh di malamang hindi na pumasa yun diba. neway, he studied in san sebastian and finished college there.

guess what he is now? VP of a japanese owned bank. and oh? they are one of the top five international banks. #2 ata or 3 not really sure. yun lang! :D

king

Feb 8, 2002, 04:16 AM

parang fraternity lang yan. unless super sikat ka and all, anyone would pick someone from their own school unless they think that the way their school mold students is not good enough... after all... between a schoolmate and someone you have no idea about, i'd rather put my bet on a kapwa atenista....

no offense to other people. just a reality check.

jobls_prsn

Feb 8, 2002, 08:21 AM

I have a question for non-UP, ADMU, LS, UST people:
Don't you have alumni in top management or HR who hires people from your own school? Para masaya na rin kayo kasi may "clan" na rin kayo, diba?

rAiNeDaNcE19

Feb 14, 2002, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by PalmaHallKid

UP, DLSU, UST : the top 3 universities in our beloved country.

plain truth.

UST? :rolleyes:

boinks

Feb 15, 2002, 12:05 AM

Im from one of the 3 schools.
Its true that it may come as unfair to the other people who graduated from the other schools who are not given much consideration.
but did it ever crossed your minds(to those who sanctions UP, Lasalle and ADMU) that maybe those people who came from these schools really earn it?

!. Our application to these schools are also based on how "good" we did when we were still in highschool- we did good therefore we are accepted)

2. We passed their exams..(if you dont..well, i guess you cant handle it)

3. The company who makes these decisions, are just careful with whom they should invest to. If your not from these 3 university, pasiklaban mo ng involvement of extra curricular activities para meron kang leadership capabilities and a team player sense (syempre sa resume)

4. and being from UP--well.... the experience itself makes it worthwhile. I dont know for the others so i dont know (all i know is that they are very much pampered)

ser_les

Feb 15, 2002, 12:09 AM

It's never fair for any employer to restrict applicants to graduates of DLSU, Ateneo, and UP. DISCRIMINATION--that's what it is! I believe no one would want to be subjected to prejudice...

boinks

Feb 15, 2002, 12:20 AM

5. at medyo may utak!! nakakatawa.... meron akong kakilala.. na meet ko lang sa isang Internet Cafe ... from UP walang alam sa Internet... and worst thing.... kahit MS Word hindi alam... gussssssssssshhh naman...... turn offffffffffff ako!

pero kung may utak ka talaga!!! try to make your own identity.. hindi dahil nasa school ng mga sikat.. kundi dahil deserving ka at may akin kang wisdom!!!!!!!!!!!!

bleh! [/QUOTE]

ask if he/she knows about life...and living the hard-way, I think he/can give you the most exhaustive explanation. BUt then again, he/she should have taught him/herself how to use it.
But what was her attitude towards it. kug mayabang pa rin patayin

boinks

Feb 15, 2002, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Bewildered
:rolleyes:
Ano bang problema?!?!
IF YOU BELIEVE that the system works that way and it has been going on since time immemorial, then WHY DON'T (or DIDN'T) YOU ENROLL IN ATENEO, LA SALLE, or UP???? WHAT'S KEEPING YOU?

LOCATION? Meron ngang nagku-commute galing ng Bulacan everyday papuntang Diliman. Or from Alabang to Katipunan. Pasensya ka na. Ayaw mo naman palang maghirap sa pagta-travel eh. You wanted convenience so panindigan mo ang choice mo.

MONEY? These three schools grant scholarships. If you are what you claim to be, then getting one will be just a walk in the park, right? Moreover, mas mura pa nga ang tuition fees ng UP compared to other schools not mentioned here! Ano pang excuse mo??????

ENTRANCE EXAMS? Aba! Di ka ba nag-qualify to take the exams? O nag-take pero di pumasa? Yun naman pala eh. If that's the case, stop whining and *****ing around. Kasalanan ba naming hanggang dyan lang talaga ang kaya mo? Dapat nga magkaroon ka ng respeto sa mga pumasa! Sour grape!

You met one (or two or three or four!) dumb student/alumnus from any of these three schools and you think you already know who and what we are????!!!! If your syllogism works that way, no wonder nahihirapan kang humanap ng trabaho!
Of course, there are always rotten apples in a barrel as there are factory "defects" even in top manufacturing companies -- kahit anong brand pa. Kaya nga may quality control group eh. But we are talking about percentage here!
These schools (or at least from what I know of Ateneo) don't claim perfection. They just strive to improve the percentage of quality graduates that would somehow measure with the expectations of the corporate world and of people like you!
Be very careful of your conclusions and generalizations. Don't be hasty. Chances are, you're wrong. Why do you claim to be such an expert on this? Have you attended these schools and experienced first-hand what it is like? Kayo kung makapagsalita para bang you've been there and done that.
Akala nyo it's all fame and money? Di ganun kadali yun, people. I'll mention some who epitomize fame and money. Why don't you ask Dingdong Dantes who had to take the ACET twice. What about China Cojuangco who had to transfer to another school after a brief stint at Ateneo? What about the son of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo who had to relocate to Naga City to finish his degree? The list could go on and on!
If you must know, discrimination also exists within the campus. Much more, between these schools. Kanya-kanyang diskarte lang yun.
This mud-slinging is also unfair to people like me who took the exams and passed without any institutional courtesy (read: under the table). Our 4-yr or 5-yr stay wasn't exactly a breeze, contrary to your belief. We worked hard to earn our degree and that Ateneo diploma. In that light, we are proud to be Ateneans and we don't apologize for being one.
And we pity those narrow-minded whiners for not knowing any better.
I respect whatever school you come/came from. We also give you the benefit of a doubt. We just hope we can be accorded the same thing. Give us a break, will you!!!!!
And to those who claim to be from these schools, huwag naman kayong magyabang. Don't rub salt over the wound!

;) And before you start ranting about how great your school is, make sure muna na yung course mo well-respected din sa campus no! Nakakahiya namang malaman nila na mismong course mo is also the subject of ridicule among peers!
Or let's say that you're from a top course in a top school. So, magaling ka nga siguro. Pero kailangan pa bang patunayan yun? Why do you still waste time for rivalry? Isn't that one way of admitting that you think these schools are your equal?
If you think you're good (and it shows!) wala ka nang dapat patunayan. Kahit saang school ka pa nanggaling. You know it yourself. You need not impress anybody maliban na lang sa job interviewer mo. In that case, galingan mo at pumasa ka naman sa exam no!
If you didn't make it, take full responsibility. Don't blame it on us. It's counter-productive and it won't get you anywhere.
If you want to get stuck in that mindset, then I have a word for you -- LOSER!

wow. wala akong masabi kundi..ang galing mo! swak na swak

coRinthian

Feb 15, 2002, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by ser_les
It's never fair for any employer to restrict applicants to graduates of DLSU, Ateneo, and UP. DISCRIMINATION--that's what it is! I believe no one would want to be subjected to prejudice...

Well, that's life, and that's reality.

Everyone wants to get the "best" of everything.

And, discrimination is such a strong term- preference would be a better one.

It's the same with everyone- would you choose a local company or a multinational company (ssuming that they gave you simultaneous job offers).

The thing is, everyone wants to graduate from UP, Ateneo, or DLSU- given the chance, that is.

The problem is, only a few do.

And those who don't- sourgrape and gripe in this thread :lol:

Get over it! instead of griping, try competing with them- prove the employers wrong by doing better than the ppl from the top 3 (instead of whining).

soulthird

Feb 18, 2002, 05:05 AM

it hurts-- but its the truth. it would sure feel bad to be at the other side of the fence. but even my aunt says that when they screen applicants there are 2 resume stacks: one for -UP, DLSU ADMU-, the 2nd one labelled "others".

it would be good to come from one of these supposedly top schools (as I do), but I don't think it'll be enough to sustain your career. so there.

rose_guce

Feb 19, 2002, 12:48 AM

I guess it was never a question of which school you graduated from or what grade you got from school. What matters most is what you have on top of your head and how you feel complacent about it. If you really think you are intelligent, then, prove it.. there's no need to hide behind your school.

I don't believe that Thomasians are stupid. After all, they have the second best Medicine school in the Philippines. I am a UP graduate and have worked with different people who graduated from different schools. I have also been into Human Resources and have proven that not all of the people who got kicked out from school, people who graduated from universities other than UP, Ateneo and La Salle are lesser humans.

Our company's web designer is not a graduate of UP, Ateneo or La Salle but she gained our respect because she's very good in her craft. I also reviewed a lot of applications from the top three schools mentioned but not anyone matched her skills and competence.

The real Intellectuals are those who speak of it... and not those who brag about it..

Bewildered

Feb 19, 2002, 09:05 AM

boinks,
i expected oppositions, a rebuttal of sort.
your comment was unexpected but highly appreciated. thank you very much. :)

Hitokiri_Drizzt

Mar 3, 2002, 04:27 AM

Well- that's the harsh reality we have to face.

But in my opinion- it will only work initially... but in the long run, your skills, attitude, and adaptability will help you go up in this world.

shawster

Mar 3, 2002, 10:00 AM

but i think you shouldnt be that honest! gosh!

ChicagoPinoy

Mar 6, 2002, 10:21 PM

Thread Topic: Giving chances to others: the Ateneo,La Salle, UP and UST Syndrome

It's the culture. It's the attidude. It is the Filipino thing.
It may take years or even a generation to change the culture and the attittude to accept graduates from the "other schools".
This is corporate Philippines. :lurker:

If we want to see changes....it should start from the present generation...it's seem futile ....reading from Bandicoot's post.
tsk..tsk..tsk.:burndvl:

DIVERSITY !
Every fortune 500 company in the US incorporates DIVERSITY class in their program.....this is a BIG TIME buzz.

I was a former Underwriter for Allstate Corporation based here in Illinois. We were mandated to attend a whole day DIVERSITY class. They instilled in us the ability to tolerate/accepting people from all races, different socioeconomic backgrounds, educational attainment, religion, etc.*pexadik*

Accepting graduates from "other schools" lies in the hands of the Employment Specialist or HR recruiter and the applicants ability to answer well during the interview and the exam.:dazzler:

When I applied for the position I was accepted right away, not because I'm from UST, but I did good in the interview and the exam .....and most of all because Allstate Corporation loves DIVERSITY.*party*

Bejita

Mar 14, 2002, 06:55 AM

Nasa tao yan wala sa eskwela, pero paano yung mga companies na may ganitong syndrome? Nagapply ang ate ko sa citibank, libis. Natanggap siya then nagside-comment yung nag-interview eto sinabi niya "IHA, IKAW LANG ANG FEU DITO TAAS KASI NG MGA GRADES MO TSAKA JOB EXPERIENCE MO, MOSTLY MGA EMPLOYEES NAMIN CAME FROM THE 3 SCHOOLS". ang sama noh? hehehe

Off topic pero medyo related
Think Bill Gates, may-ari ng Oracle (I forgot his name)...wala naman silang degree pero tignan niyo nagawa nila. Locally Lucio Tan, FEU chem eng. grad his business is everwhere in Asia and some in the US.

rao

Mar 14, 2002, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Bejita

Think Bill Gates, may-ari ng Oracle (I forgot his name)...wala naman silang degree pero tignan niyo nagawa nila. Locally Lucio Tan, FEU chem eng. grad his business is everwhere in Asia and some in the US.

The name is Lawrence "Larry" J. Ellison
He dropped out of the University of Chicago
Oracle is a public corporation, so, Ellison doesn't own everything. He owns a big chunk of the company though. And oh, he is also one of the founders :-)

tirador

Apr 4, 2002, 04:55 AM

hey guys. im, a 4th yr engg student from updiliman.

i believe dun sa up-admu-dlsu syndrome. ust syndrome?meron ba nun? :rolleyes: well sa P&G meron.

p&G sponsorts a Student Excellence Award. and students qualified for the award are only those from the top 4. up admu dlsu ust (not necessarily in order :)). also, sila rin lang ang qualified for their summer internship.

i can only speak for engg upians. we believe kasi that we receive the best training.lalo na if your department is the national center for excellence! diba?

i guess, the curriculum of the university is a major factor. ganun din yung alumni. if the alumni performs well, di ba ang instinct is to hire someone from that same school. di ba?

tirador

Apr 4, 2002, 05:09 AM

hey up student here.
:D

having UP in your resume is really something. it does not necessarily mean na we are the best. meron namang magagaling from other schools yung nga lang ilan sila? :rolleyes: UP has the numbers. the state u has produced more qualified graduates than any other univ in the country. And besides, only less than 10% of the total hgh school graudates get to study in UP. that makes it more special and appealing to the people in the industry. :D

beez10

Apr 12, 2002, 10:35 AM

it doesnt matter what school u came from as long as u have the right attitude, personality and intellect, u can go places. i have a lot of friends from ust and as of now they're not working in any corporations because they have their own successful businesses na.:-)

Wittygurl

Apr 14, 2002, 04:45 AM

I do agree that if you belong to those top 3 schools, it is an edge in a job application. However, if you are from a school that was not mentioned, see to it that you are "Globally competitive" to easily market yourself.

Basically, the school is not only the basis.. you have to make an impression.. believe me, its on the "whole package" itself..:)

haik

Apr 15, 2002, 02:29 AM

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Bewildered

Ano bang problema?!?!
IF YOU BELIEVE that the system works that way and it has been going on since time immemorial, then WHY DON'T (or DIDN'T) YOU ENROLL IN ATENEO, LA SALLE, or UP???? WHAT'S KEEPING YOU?

LOCATION? Meron ngang nagku-commute galing ng Bulacan everyday papuntang Diliman. Or from Alabang to Katipunan. Pasensya ka na. Ayaw mo naman palang maghirap sa pagta-travel eh. You wanted convenience so panindigan mo ang choice mo.

MONEY? These three schools grant scholarships. If you are what you claim to be, then getting one will be just a walk in the park, right? Moreover, mas mura pa nga ang tuition fees ng UP compared to other schools not mentioned here! Ano pang excuse mo??????

ENTRANCE EXAMS? Aba! Di ka ba nag-qualify to take the exams? O nag-take pero di pumasa? Yun naman pala eh. If that's the case, stop whining and *****ing around. Kasalanan ba naming hanggang dyan lang talaga ang kaya mo? Dapat nga magkaroon ka ng respeto sa mga pumasa! Sour grape!

You met one (or two or three or four!) dumb student/alumnus from any of these three schools and you think you already know who and what we are????!!!! If your syllogism works that way, no wonder nahihirapan kang humanap ng trabaho!
Of course, there are always rotten apples in a barrel as there are factory "defects" even in top manufacturing companies -- kahit anong brand pa. Kaya nga may quality control group eh. But we are talking about percentage here!
These schools (or at least from what I know of Ateneo) don't claim perfection. They just strive to improve the percentage of quality graduates that would somehow measure with the expectations of the corporate world and of people like you!
Be very careful of your conclusions and generalizations. Don't be hasty. Chances are, you're wrong. Why do you claim to be such an expert on this? Have you attended these schools and experienced first-hand what it is like? Kayo kung makapagsalita para bang you've been there and done that.
Akala nyo it's all fame and money? Di ganun kadali yun, people. I'll mention some who epitomize fame and money. Why don't you ask Dingdong Dantes who had to take the ACET twice. What about China Cojuangco who had to transfer to another school after a brief stint at Ateneo? What about the son of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo who had to relocate to Naga City to finish his degree? The list could go on and on!
If you must know, discrimination also exists within the campus. Much more, between these schools. Kanya-kanyang diskarte lang yun.
This mud-slinging is also unfair to people like me who took the exams and passed without any institutional courtesy (read: under the table). Our 4-yr or 5-yr stay wasn't exactly a breeze, contrary to your belief. We worked hard to earn our degree and that Ateneo diploma. In that light, we are proud to be Ateneans and we don't apologize for being one.
And we pity those narrow-minded whiners for not knowing any better.
I respect whatever school you come/came from. We also give you the benefit of a doubt. We just hope we can be accorded the same thing. Give us a break, will you!!!!!
And to those who claim to be from these schools, huwag naman kayong magyabang. Don't rub salt over the wound!

And before you start ranting about how great your school is, make sure muna na yung course mo well-respected din sa campus no! Nakakahiya namang malaman nila na mismong course mo is also the subject of ridicule among peers!
Or let's say that you're from a top course in a top school. So, magaling ka nga siguro. Pero kailangan pa bang patunayan yun? Why do you still waste time for rivalry? Isn't that one way of admitting that you think these schools are your equal?
If you think you're good (and it shows!) wala ka nang dapat patunayan. Kahit saang school ka pa nanggaling. You know it yourself. You need not impress anybody maliban na lang sa job interviewer mo. In that case, galingan mo at pumasa ka naman sa exam no!
If you didn't make it, take full responsibility. Don't blame it on us. It's counter-productive and it won't get you anywhere.
If you want to get stuck in that mindset, then I have a word for you -- LOSER!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

wow. wala akong masabi kundi..ang galing mo! swak na swak

Bionks and Bewildered

I would have to agree with you. Bewildered's argument is the best one in this thread.

the_BuGs

Apr 19, 2002, 06:03 AM

In my previous company we don't have care for what school did u graduated.... unless you do the job right.... pero minsan aaminin ko namimili rin kme ng kukunin. Pero kungdi sang skul ka gradweyt o whatever. Pinipili namin yung attitude... no offense to the Ateneans,La Sallians and Assumptionista's. Nuna kse mapili kme sa schools... nagkaproblem *** kse sa attitude... to tell you frankly mahirap kse silang utusan pero nde ko sinasabi sa lahat ng grads ng ganyang school ha..... for example me ipapakiusap ka... alangya ang daming kaartehang sagot naririnig namin..... at isa pa nde sanay na nahihirapan pinipilit yung gusto na hindi naman dapat kaya ngkaproblema kme sa ganung situation.Pero me mga Cowboy din yung willing naman at me mga kusa.Pero kung i average mo sa assumptionista kme talaga namomroblema kaya. *** minsan sa interview pa lang sinsabi ko na talaga lahat lahat ang mangyayari sa kanya. Sa akin wala naman sa school dapat yan eh sa attitude lang ng tao yan. Sa work ang kelangan eh Emotional Fit ka at Psychologicaly fit ka. Yung skills dis regard namin yan dahil natutunan mo naman yan sa skul mo at pwde kang maturuan....

Gabriela

Apr 19, 2002, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by the_BuGs
In my previous company we don't have care for what school did u graduated.... unless you do the job right.... pero minsan aaminin ko namimili rin kme ng kukunin. Pero kungdi sang skul ka gradweyt o whatever. Pinipili namin yung attitude... no offense to the Ateneans,La Sallians and Assumptionista's. Nuna kse mapili kme sa schools... nagkaproblem *** kse sa attitude... to tell you frankly mahirap kse silang utusan pero nde ko sinasabi sa lahat ng grads ng ganyang school ha..... for example me ipapakiusap ka... alangya ang daming kaartehang sagot naririnig namin..... at isa pa nde sanay na nahihirapan pinipilit yung gusto na hindi naman dapat kaya ngkaproblema kme sa ganung situation.Pero me mga Cowboy din yung willing naman at me mga kusa.Pero kung i average mo sa assumptionista kme talaga namomroblema kaya. *** minsan sa interview pa lang sinsabi ko na talaga lahat lahat ang mangyayari sa kanya. Sa akin wala naman sa school dapat yan eh sa attitude lang ng tao yan. Sa work ang kelangan eh Emotional Fit ka at Psychologicaly fit ka. Yung skills dis regard namin yan dahil natutunan mo naman yan sa skul mo at pwde kang maturuan....

Hehe, Scholastican nalang kunin mo para hindi ka magka-problema. Yun nga lang kikay kami. Parang p*** ng baboy ang mga bibig namin. :beauty:

china_kyle

Apr 23, 2002, 07:06 AM

china_kyle

Apr 23, 2002, 07:26 AM

Super_Buff

Apr 23, 2002, 09:36 AM

I totally disagree...

One can never tell which school or university is the best education-wise coz you've never been there and you have never experienced being a part of other universities.Ang kilala lang natin ay yung school na pinasukan nati kaya syempre yun na ang the best para sa atin.

I don't believe that UP, ATENEO, LA SALLE and UST are the top 4 schools in the country. Siguro it would be more proper to call them the TOP 4 MOST POPULAR SCHOOLS in the country.

Ironic nga eh, kasi yung mga students from these top 4 schools eventually work in big companies owned by people who haven't even finished school...

Reality bites...

soulthird

Apr 23, 2002, 04:22 PM

bottom line is happy ang students from UP, Ateneo and DLSU with this prejudice, well happy for their own selfish reasons. Who wouldn't be? I am. I myt sound selfish but I enjoy the preference.

and the people who come from other schools are, understandably, disgusted. Disgusted because truly, it is very unfair.

It's too bad that this kind of system is existing, but since this practice is existing for decades now speaks well of the fact that maybe, just maybe, the students from the 3 schools really do have a higher probability of being excellent with their jobs. If it weren't the case then this practice would have ceased existing dba?

everything is labeled nowadays. even education.

blueblood1980

Apr 24, 2002, 11:08 AM

is true that the graduates of the 3 big schools- Ateneo, UP, DLSU - have the edge?

thanks

renina

Apr 24, 2002, 04:13 PM

True, education is a privilege and coming from the top Philippine universities would be an advantage. Comparing an ordinary college student from UP with FEU or UE , for example, would matter to the employer.

Now, among the top 4, who do you think would be an advantage? :)

Hitokiri_Drizzt

Apr 25, 2002, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by stealthteck
Im not from the so lavishly called "top 3 schools". Im a simple and pathetic student of PLM(hndi niyo kilala un no) pro i could guarantee na the discriminatory taste of society today, favoring UP, ADMU, DLSU and even UST is baseless.

The society is confused of the difference between intellect and strong, spontaneous and sometimes ambiguous words.
My proposal would be an implementation of fair treatment through standardized exams w/out prior elimination by discrimination.

Lets have a "fair play".

Well, most companies nowadays implement a school blind selection system- but based on the IQ test scores, english evaluation, and personality evals- students from UP, AdMU, and DLSU usually end up ahead of the pack.

Of course- ppl from these schools also flunk these exams- and ppl from PLM, East Asia CIT, PUP, AMA, and other schools pass it.

But in terms of statistics- students from UP, AdMU, and DLSU consistently excel.

And, you can't blame companies nowadays if they only want to invest in sure fire performers/candidates.

jobls_prsn

Apr 25, 2002, 04:56 PM

nope. Galing ako sa isa sa tatlo at hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin akong trabaho. :(

h04x

Apr 25, 2002, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by jobls_prsn
nope. Galing ako sa isa sa tatlo at hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin akong trabaho. :(

ahahah.. kawawa naman kami na hindi galing dun sa 3 big schools.. kung kayo hindi makakuha pano pa kami?

snugglz

Apr 26, 2002, 07:13 AM

cloned

Apr 26, 2002, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by blueblood1980
is true that the graduates of the 3 big schools- Ateneo, UP, DLSU - have the edge?

thanks

I don't think so.... 2 ateneans were laid off from our company last year, until now they still don't have jobs. naunahan pa sila nung mga kasabay nilang natangal na not from the three schools.

Britneys_Jugs

Apr 26, 2002, 10:35 AM

Uh, no. I graudated from Ateneo but I have been jobless for almost a year, and so are my friends.

blue_fusion20

Apr 26, 2002, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by tirador
hey up student here.
:D

having UP in your resume is really something. it does not necessarily mean na we are the best. meron namang magagaling from other schools yung nga lang ilan sila? :rolleyes: UP has the numbers. the state u has produced more qualified graduates than any other univ in the country. And besides, only less than 10% of the total hgh school graudates get to study in UP. that makes it more special and appealing to the people in the industry. :D

yes it has the numbers. but its a matter of percentages as well. the only reason why your school produces more "qualified" graduates in the country is because you have, i believe, the largest student base to begin with. had you used real figures (i. e. percentages), the situation would be wholly different...

or, using your point of view, as you have a large studentry, you also produce the most number of "rotten eggs" in the country...

Hitokiri_Drizzt

Apr 27, 2002, 09:58 AM

KuyaDanny

Apr 29, 2002, 06:59 AM

Maybe for some companies, but not for ours. I can't afford to pay them what they want to receive. :(

Britneys_Jugs

Apr 29, 2002, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Britneys_Jugs
Uh, no. I graudated from Ateneo but I have been jobless for almost a year, and so are my friends.

Shucks, made a boo-boo there! :bonkself:

supersix2

Apr 29, 2002, 06:20 PM

mostly kasi mayayaman ang tao dyan

its either my koneksiyon
or
mas mapagkakatiwalaan daw ang galing sa mayaman

DIG?

hahaha our system sucks!!!!!!!

h04x

Apr 29, 2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by blueblood1980
is true that the graduates of the 3 big schools- Ateneo, UP, DLSU - have the edge?

thanks

just curious how come UST is not being considered to be one of the big schools?...

TrashBox

Apr 30, 2002, 06:55 AM

Edge?

sa tingin ko it depends on the company. some companies prefer Ateneo, DLSU, or UP, just as MIT, UST, PLM and others may be preferred by other companies.

so sa tingin ko nasa tao pa rin. he/she may be a graduate of some "great" college/university, pero mayabang naman o hindi naman makapasa sa mga exams and interviews, wala din.

lech0n 420

Apr 30, 2002, 09:10 AM

if you've got the grades, you've got the edge. :~( that's the sad truth these days...

kaya nga atat na atat akong mag-grad school of business...para makabawi na ako! i came from la salle (business management) and i haven't found a job in 10 months since i got laid off from a non-BMG related job.

when that time comes...i promise...i will not f**k up with my grades again. i hope... ;)

LECHON = LYDIA'S (TM)

blueblood1980

May 1, 2002, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Britneys_Jugs
Uh, no. I graudated from Ateneo but I have been jobless for almost a year, and so are my friends.

since you are ateneans, it is actually easy for you to find a job. however, ateneans arevery choosy. bosses can't simply ask them to make timpla ng kape. furthermore, it's not only about compensation that matters here, but also fulfillment as person.

bata_sa_maynila

May 3, 2002, 01:12 AM

galing ni Haik :D bilib ako...
anyway, nakaka-insulto sa mga ibang students to be labelled
na elitista or mga conyo when they are not really part of that group. true, meron talagang mga ganung tao but it is really unfair to generalize the whole student body into the word.

i guess, the school were u came from also counts aside from ur grades but i have also heard about graduates who got the job by their own merit, beating some applicants of the 'supposedly' top 4 schools.

ewan, ngayon ang naririnig ko naman kahit mataas ang grades mo and u are a graduate of the 'supposedly' top 4 schools, mahihirapan ka pa talagang maghanap ng trabaho...

conclusion:
mahirap na talaga ang buhay.

Hitokiri_Drizzt

May 3, 2002, 06:08 AM

Yup- people should always bank on their merits, not the school that they graduated from.

Adroth

May 3, 2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by snugglz

nakakahiya!!! bakit kayo ganyan?! :eek: i'd rather not graduate at all if it means i'll turn out to be like you two with bandicooot.

Not all Ateneans are like that. :cool:

anne_baby

May 4, 2002, 04:30 PM

i have to tell everyone here that being a graduate of ust has taught me something...

first, it has taught me to be flexible in whatever kind of job i'll be handling.. and that's one reason why employers like to employ us thomasians even in rank and file positions...

we don't complain and we don't have those superior attitudes that came along with the school that you graduated from:cool:

this is the reason we succeed without you guys noticing it

bwahahaha!:D

inihaw

May 8, 2002, 04:04 PM

Actually this "clannish" thing happen. I experienced this with the company I'm now in. Mostly all of my officemates comes from the same school, since the big boss is an alumni of the same school.

This happen because usually, but not always, employers look for employees with the same values that they have. And your co-alumni are the ones closest to your own values, because the school instilled this during your stay in the school.

If I were to hire skill,personality, and attitude towards work should be the top priorities. Regardless of what school a perspective employee maybe. It is not the school who is applying anyway, it is the person. It is the person who go to school, and whether this person came from a very respective university/ college or not, if this person fails to absorb what he is suppose to study the school will be of no use.

Employers should look beyong the paper they are hoding, they should look deep into the smiling person in front of them. :D

inihaw

May 8, 2002, 04:04 PM

Actually this "clannish" thing happen. I experienced this with the company I'm now in. Mostly all of my officemates comes from the same school, since the big boss is an alumni of the same school.

This happen because usually, but not always, employers look for employees with the same values that they have. And your co-alumni are the ones closest to your own values, because the school instilled this during your stay in the school.

If I were to hire skill,personality, and attitude towards work should be the top priorities. Regardless of what school a perspective employee maybe. It is not the school who is applying anyway, it is the person. It is the person who go to school, and whether this person came from a very respective university/ college or not, if this person fails to absorb what he is suppose to study the school will be of no use.

Employers should look beyong the paper they are holding, they should look deep into the smiling person in front of them. :D

Altwegg

May 9, 2002, 12:41 AM

I fully agree with inihaw.

jprotocol

May 9, 2002, 09:04 PM

This is my first post ;)

I just want to express my opinion regarding this matter.
I believe that people who came from the Big 3 did really receive better education than the others but this doesn't mean that if you're from one of the Big 3, you're automatically better than anyone one else. Because, it really depends on the person. Maybe, we could say that if you're from the big 3 then you would have a better chance that you're potential would be fully developed.

Why did I say this? bacause based on my personal experience, I've worked with some people from a certain computer school (yung may commercial sa TV ) and these people are programming champions of there school. But I would have to say (though mejo pangit pakinggan) mas mahina talaga sila. I dont believe it's because they have lower IQ or what but it's because of the education they received.

yun lang

What do u think guys?

h04x

May 10, 2002, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by jprotocol
This is my first post ;)

I just want to express my opinion regarding this matter.
I believe that people who came from the Big 3 did really receive better education than the others but this doesn't mean that if you're from one of the Big 3, you're automatically better than anyone one else. Because, it really depends on the person. Maybe, we could say that if you're from the big 3 then you would have a better chance that you're potential would be fully developed.

Why did I say this? bacause based on my personal experience, I've worked with some people from a certain computer school (yung may commercial sa TV ) and these people are programming champions of there school. But I would have to say (though mejo pangit pakinggan) mas mahina talaga sila. I dont believe it's because they have lower IQ or what but it's because of the education they received.

yun lang

What do u think guys?

what school did u graduate from?..

Hitokiri_Drizzt

May 12, 2002, 10:48 AM

In training and reputation- yes, they may have an edge.

But in the end- it's how they use their training and what merits they have that will make them retain that edge.

For me, If I have to choose a candidate for hiring- I'll not use the candidates' school as a factor.

I usually rely on a candidate's exam scores, interview performance, and reference/background info to determine the candidates' suitability.

spadia

May 12, 2002, 02:27 PM

hello
swerte swerte lang naman to
some companies maybe looking for graduates from the top schools...because theyre known to be the "TOP Schools"
they got the fame and prestige..
besides they do filter their applicants
some companies may be hiring people from same school , so the employees will have the same culture, they relate better there
others like a diverse one it really depends

like in Japan...why people are dying to make it to top schools there? Why companies prefer to hire people from tokyo u, keio, waseda etc.?
or what do you think of people graduating from yale, harvard, oxford etc? its the "name" ...
....the best thing you can do is...look for a job that doesnt have the top schools syndrome or work hard show em...and you ll eventually be respected
the most impt thing is never discriminate

spadia

May 12, 2002, 02:27 PM

hello im from dlsu
swerte swerte lang naman to
some companies maybe looking for graduates from the top schools...because theyre known to be the "TOP Schools"
they got the fame and prestige..
besides they do filter their applicants
some companies may be hiring people from same school , so the employees will have the same culture, they relate better there
others like a diverse one it really depends

like in Japan...why people are dying to make it to top schools there? Why companies prefer to hire people from tokyo u, keio, waseda etc.?
or what do you think of people graduating from yale, harvard, oxford etc? its the "name" ...
....the best thing you can do is...look for a job that doesnt have the top schools syndrome or work hard show em...and you ll eventually be respected
the most impt thing is dont discriminate others

german_sniper

May 12, 2002, 03:53 PM

I would like to apologize kung may magagalit. Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan pangit :D

I believe na hindi naman lahat. But I recently met someone na talaga namang masasabing maangas. He is having his Masters from an overseas university. Sabi nya na hindi na raw sya babalik sa Pinas because masyado na raw sya overqualified pag nakagraduate na sya. Pero hello! 1.5 years pa lang ang commercial experience nya (kahit apat na taon na sya grumaduate ng BS) at estudyante ulit sya ngayon (He is aspiring to be a manager kahit ayaw nyang aminin).

Tinanong ko kung bakit ayaw nyang kumuha ng ibang Masteral course since reklamo naman sya ng reklamo. I suggested na kumuha sya ng MBA. Ayaw daw nyang kumuha ng MBA because he was in-born to be a leader at natural na natural lang sa kanya ang maghandle ng tao (or mag-manipulate should I say). Give me the break!

He is always boasting about his alma matter and how good it was (graduate siya sa isa mga top schools na topic natin). Yeah right! Who cares? The school is good but he's not. Nasa abilidad yan.

Backstabber ba ako? Hehehehhe.... Nope. Because I told him na "Pre, atin atin na lang ito. Ang yabang mo. I hope kapag may nakasalubong kang ibang tao at nakakakwentuhan, magpakababa ka naman. Baka saksakin ka ng wala sa oras dahil sa sobrang elibs sa sarili. Sa tingin mo, pupunahin ba ng tao kung saan ka nag-aral kapag nasaksak ka? Kung magtratrabajo ka naman sa labas ng Pinas, dahan dahan din. Baka hindi mo akalain ang magiging boss mo, hindi graduate ng kahit anong university pero malupit ang professional at skill qualifications."

Self confidence is one thing but bragging is another. Ok naman ang quality of education ng top schools. No doubt. But I hope some alumni are sensitive to realize that it's not the school that counts most in the real world but how you deal with people and your work.

german_sniper

May 12, 2002, 03:57 PM

I would like to apologize kung may magagalit. Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan pangit

I believe na hindi naman lahat. But I recently met someone na talaga namang masasabing maangas. He is having his Masters from an overseas university. Sabi nya na hindi na raw sya babalik sa Pinas because masyado na raw sya overqualified pag nakagraduate na sya. Pero hello! 1.5 years pa lang ang commercial experience nya (kahit apat na taon na sya grumaduate ng BS) at estudyante ulit sya ngayon (He is aspiring to be a manager kahit ayaw nyang aminin).

Tinanong ko kung bakit ayaw nyang kumuha ng ibang Masteral course since reklamo naman sya ng reklamo. I suggested na kumuha sya ng MBA. Ayaw daw nyang kumuha ng MBA because he was in-born to be a leader at natural na natural lang sa kanya ang maghandle ng tao (or mag-manipulate should I say). Give me the break!

He is always boasting about his alma matter and how good it was (graduate siya sa isa mga top schools na topic natin). Yeah right! Who cares? The school is good but he's not. Nasa abilidad yan.

Backstabber ba ako? Hehehehhe.... Nope. Because I told him na "Pre, atin atin na lang ito. Ang yabang mo. I hope kapag may nakasalubong kang ibang tao at nakakakwentuhan, magpakababa ka naman. Baka saksakin ka ng wala sa oras dahil sa sobrang elibs sa sarili. Sa tingin mo, pupunahin ba ng tao kung saan ka nag-aral kapag nasaksak ka? Kung magtratrabajo ka naman sa labas ng Pinas, dahan dahan din. Baka hindi mo akalain ang magiging boss mo, hindi graduate ng kahit anong university pero malupit ang professional at skill qualifications."

Self confidence is one thing but bragging is another. Ok naman ang quality of education ng top schools. No doubt. But I hope some alumni are sensitive to realize that it's not the school that counts most in the real world but how you deal with people and your work.

knoty-boy

May 13, 2002, 02:21 PM

Hello

well, hindi ko masasabi na me edge ang 3 schools na iyan... depende sa company na magha-hire... sometimes... meron silang pinapaburan... makikita mo ito sa mga ibang working Ads na sinasabi "If you're a graduate of Ateneo, UP, or LA Salle..." discriminatory diba?

Alam mo German... me kakilala rin akong ganyan, pero hindi sya sa 3 school na sinabi sa taas... nandito na sya sa Canada for almost 2 years na yata.. pero sabi nya ayaw na daw nya bumalik sa PInas bec. mainit daw (what did he expect for a tropical country, snow?), mabaho daw (made me so mad hearing this, alam ko mabaho but I love the smell of my own country).. saka ma pollution (cant argue with that)... the worst part is, ayaw nyang makaipag-kaibigan sa mga kapwa Pinoy nya dito kasi me ugali daw silang hindi maganda.... puti or nothing or was it anything but Pinoy... that what you called a severe case of "colonial mentality"?

hindi naman lahat na graduate sa UP, DLSU (which is my alma mater), or Ateneo mayayabang... me mga iba na low profile... siguro sa classroom namin 5 lang silang sosyal, pero mababait naman... depende rin kasi kung ano ang family background nila eh... no offense no, pero feeling ko iyong mostly nag-graduate sa mga exclusive school nung HS or sa mga elite na HS ang mga mayayabang or mapoporma or mga conyotic... but then again, not all... pwede silang sosyal panlabas pero kumakain din ng bagoong saka itlog na maalat (nagutom tulog ako, yum)

ayun lang...

shutup

May 14, 2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by blue_fusion20

yes it has the numbers. but its a matter of percentages as well. the only reason why your school produces more "qualified" graduates in the country is because you have, i believe, the largest student base to begin with. had you used real figures (i. e. percentages), the situation would be wholly different...

or, using your point of view, as you have a large studentry, you also produce the most number of "rotten eggs" in the country...

it would be better if you factored in the number of courses the university/school has. the university/school might have a large student base because it also offers a lot of courses. i think that even if you use percentages, it would show that the university/school you were referring to has consistently produced a lot of "qualified" graduates.

the university/school will produce the most number of "rotten eggs" in the country only if a large percentage of their graduates are "rotten eggs". do you have the statistics to back up your assertion? or were you just guessing?

jappsie

May 14, 2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by german_sniper
I would like to apologize kung may magagalit. Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan pangit

I believe na hindi naman lahat. But I recently met someone na talaga namang masasabing maangas. He is having his Masters from an overseas university. Sabi nya na hindi na raw sya babalik sa Pinas because masyado na raw sya overqualified pag nakagraduate na sya. Pero hello! 1.5 years pa lang ang commercial experience nya (kahit apat na taon na sya grumaduate ng BS) at estudyante ulit sya ngayon (He is aspiring to be a manager kahit ayaw nyang aminin).

Tinanong ko kung bakit ayaw nyang kumuha ng ibang Masteral course since reklamo naman sya ng reklamo. I suggested na kumuha sya ng MBA. Ayaw daw nyang kumuha ng MBA because he was in-born to be a leader at natural na natural lang sa kanya ang maghandle ng tao (or mag-manipulate should I say). Give me the break!

He is always boasting about his alma matter and how good it was (graduate siya sa isa mga top schools na topic natin). Yeah right! Who cares? The school is good but he's not. Nasa abilidad yan.

Backstabber ba ako? Hehehehhe.... Nope. Because I told him na "Pre, atin atin na lang ito. Ang yabang mo. I hope kapag may nakasalubong kang ibang tao at nakakakwentuhan, magpakababa ka naman. Baka saksakin ka ng wala sa oras dahil sa sobrang elibs sa sarili. Sa tingin mo, pupunahin ba ng tao kung saan ka nag-aral kapag nasaksak ka? Kung magtratrabajo ka naman sa labas ng Pinas, dahan dahan din. Baka hindi mo akalain ang magiging boss mo, hindi graduate ng kahit anong university pero malupit ang professional at skill qualifications."
Self confidence is one thing but bragging is another. Ok naman ang quality of education ng top schools. No doubt. But I hope some alumni are sensitive to realize that it's not the school that counts most in the real world but how you deal with people and your work. hahahaha! :toofunny: okay na hirit yun ah! Okay ka ah! Sana natauhan :toohappy:
But me rin, I know a lot of people who are like that. Can't seem to distinguish the difference between confidence and arrogance

shadow jedi

May 14, 2002, 11:18 PM

please let us not malign any school, graduate or alumnus.

The reason why these so-called elite few get the job is because their schools are generally perceived as one of the best in the country. And with the lack of actual experience or any on-the-job scrutiny, what school he or she attended is often the used barometer.

Moreover, many of the graduates have already blazed a trail for their schoolmates and although, they would and should take the best person for the job, interviews can only show so much.

When no other option presents itself they would take someone who they know they would be comfortable with, someone who has had the same exposure, instilled with the same values and gone through similar experiences.

And of course there are those on the extreme side of the spectrum that idiotically 'love their own'. They would turn down a perfectly good candidate from an unknown school for someone with so-so credentials and attitude but who has worn the same school patch. Pity them. They would soon realize the folly of their decisions, often with disastrous results.

What does one Juan dela Cruz from a lowly school do? Get that job! Not all companies are like that. Once you get in try to change the mindset of people around you by doing excellent work and help your school by getting in touch with what the industry really needs. Pave a way for them, not by hiring them with no questions asked, but by giving them the skills necessary for them to become assets and showing other companies that your schoolmates are just as good.

simurgh

May 18, 2002, 08:02 AM

i must say yes... graduates from those 3 schools have an edge...

having an edge, does not automatically mean you get the job... but what it means is that you are considered first before everyone else..

you are given the chance first to prove yourself...

it may be a hard pill to swallow.. but hey, its the bitter truth..

given a cum laude from other schools and an average student from UP, LS and Ateneo, companies will still give first priority to that average student.. because there is that seal of excellence that comes with their resume'. in the eyes of everyone, these 3 schools have maintained quality education

for me.. that's just life... i mean, i know of that fact, thats why i busted my butt off to get in, in UP, and graduated with honors..

and for me, that's just one of the rewards for making it and surviving in the most challenging academe in the country...

hey, if people are crying foul over this...all i can say is.. you can take the UPCAT anytime you want baby... but aside from that, its a fact of life...

simurgh

May 18, 2002, 08:09 AM

double post...

german_sniper

May 18, 2002, 01:00 PM

simurgh,

congratulations sa iyo tol! Salamat at naka graduate ka sa UP. Sana nagagamit mo iyong kagalingan mo sa magandang bagay. Wag na lang tayong mapagsiklaban dahil definitely, kahit graduate kami ng hindi top three schools, all I can say we have a life na kaparehas ninyo din. We worked for it and we proved something.

BTW, graduate ako ng FEU, With Honours then ako, hindi nahirapan maghanap ng trabajo, maganda ang trabajo ko, napagtapos ko ang kapatid ko at higit sa lahat pinupuri ng ibang nationality (nasa Australia ako) because of my professionalism and quality of work.

Kaya mga repapips,

kahit saang graduate kayong school prove ninyo na pantay pantay ang lahat at magaling din kayo. Kung may batas lang sa atin against discrimination (meruon yata pero sinuman ang sumusunod noon), sana matagal ng patay na ang isyung ito. Wag kayong panghinaan ng loob. Pare-parehas din naman minsan ang mga professors natin (hey! some of my prof when I was in College were also teaching in Ateneo, DLSU, Adamson, UST, and CEU etc). Pareha-parehas lang naman tayong kumain kain ng kanin at ulam. At iisa rin lang naman ang pupuntahan noon.... right Simurgh?

Pasensya na at medyo HB ang dating. Just can't stand people who are bragging there credentials dahil definitely there is someone who is better than you. Kung masyadong mayabang din ang dating ng post, I'm just fighting fire with a sensible fire.

german_sniper

May 18, 2002, 01:09 PM

This is an analogy siguro:

The top schools are like branded shirts (Guess, DKNY, Ralph Lauren, CK). Expensive, chic, and pricy.

Other schools are no-name shirts. Cheap, no logo to boast of. Few people buy it because no one is willing to take the risk.

But guess what? Both of them are shirts. There main purpose is to be worn. But what really funny is, all of those shirts (DKNY, CK, Guess, etc. and the non-branded ones) are made in China (yes! don't be surprise. pinapalitan lang ang tag ng mga damit para kunyari "Made in a First World Country").

Gets ninyo?

german_sniper

May 18, 2002, 01:15 PM

Hitokiri_Drizzt

May 20, 2002, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by german_sniper
This is an analogy siguro:

The top schools are like branded shirts (Guess, DKNY, Ralph Lauren, CK). Expensive, chic, and pricy.

Other schools are no-name shirts. Cheap, no logo to boast of. Few people buy it because no one is willing to take the risk.

But guess what? Both of them are shirts. There main purpose is to be worn. But what really funny is, all of those shirts (DKNY, CK, Guess, etc. and the non-branded ones) are made in China (yes! don't be surprise. pinapalitan lang ang tag ng mga damit para kunyari "Made in a First World Country").

Gets ninyo?

:rolleyes: you forgot to mention one important factor- these "name" brands (and "name" schools) have a reputation to protect- that's why they have strict quality control measures.

So- between a "name" school- with a proven track record, and a "no-name" school- i'd rather take the almost a sure thing with a name school than risk it with a relative unknown .

Although- there ae good "no-name" shirts (and schools for that matter)- chances are- you'd get a better deal with someone from an established "name" institution.

king

May 20, 2002, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by Hitokiri_Drizzt

:rolleyes: you forgot to mention one important factor- these "name" brands (and "name" schools) have a reputation to protect- that's why they have strict quality control measures.

So- between a "name" school- with a proven track record, and a "no-name" school- i'd rather take the almost a sure thing with a name school than risk it with a relative unknown .

Although- there ae good "no-name" shirts (and schools for that matter)- chances are- you'd get a better deal with someone from an established "name" institution.

and usually cheap shirts are FAKE!

german_sniper

May 20, 2002, 08:50 AM

Hey don't get me wrong! My sis also graduated from one of the top schools.

BTW guys, your mind seems to be close and not realized that these branded clothes are still the same. Branded and fake -- all of them are Made in China. Hey! Haven't heard the news that it is much cheaper to manufacture clothes in China tapos lagyan mo na lang ng tag na made in USA, Europe? Quality Control? Hmmmm .... don't believe it... In this globalization age, mass production is needed to earn lots of profits. Probably, hindi kita jan sa Pinas but from the country where I am staying, kitang kita kung paano tumakbo ang business. Kaya, please check your facts before posting about the topic.

About protecting the name thing, sure.... lahat naman pinoprotektahan ang ngalan. Every College or Learning Institution has it.

About taking the risk, it shows only one thing.... lahat tayo tao. But aminin man natin o hindi, we Filipinos are xenophobic and ethnocentric. Kanya kanya. Kalahi ko ito, syempre uunahin ko ito kahit alam kong mas makakaganda sa business kapag hi-nire ko ito.

Whether you study at Ateneo, LaSalle, PUP, UP, FEU, CEU, etc... Isa pa rin yun, you still study at the Philippines. Pagdating mo sa isang bansa, pag tinanong nila kung saan ka grad, wala silang pakialam. Alam nila, graduate ka ng Pinas and that's it. Kung hindi ka magaling, sorry but you have to leave.

I have observed na kaya lang naman may edge ang top school dahil most top managers in the Philippines were grads of top schools. Of course, sino ba ang pipiliin mo? Iyong ibang school na cum laude or ka school mate mo na pag tinignan ang transcript e OMG!!!? Which is totally unfair. Pero sabi nga nila, it's a sad fact of life.

Marami akong kaibigang LaSalista and no doubt magaling sila. But still, ang maganda sa kanila - they are keeping their feet on the ground inspite of their success.

Nothing against the top school. It's just that some of your fellow school mates are to braggart (kita naman ang difference ng self-confidence at bragging). Meruon din naman cgurong tinuturo kung paano makihalubilo sa mga tao (hindi lang sa isang social stratum at business environment) ang mga schools na ito. Iyon lang po.

simurgh

May 21, 2002, 04:20 AM

i maintain,

the top 3 schools have an edge..

but like iv said its not absolute...

so people should not get all hot and bothered about it... (AND DID I MENTION, SO DEFENSIVE?!) its a fact of life...

those who fail to accept that, fail to accept reality..

and let me reiterate, BKA HINDI KSE NA-GETS NG IBA..

top 3 schools have an edge... but its not absolute...

kalayaan

May 21, 2002, 10:56 AM

i'm still at school but i think htere's an edge. the probs lang eh, humuhingi agad sila ng mataas na sweldo at position kaya mahirap maghanap.

and, one thing it depends on the course din.

MiSTeRYoSA

May 21, 2002, 12:05 PM

It depends. Used to work in HR and we don't really consider who are grad of this and that school. Depende sa opening and core competencies na kelangan. Daming taga-PUP, AMA sa previous company ko. Usually, pag mga January, June and October, dami kaming applicants from DLSU kasi nga kakagraduate lang. Di na school ang basis ng paghire ng applicant kundi sa attitude (early to detect though, basis namin interviews and tests), goals, core competencies. I think most of the graduates from these schools have the edge in oral and written communication. Ang galing talaga nilang magexpress ng sarili unlike sa ibang schools na medyo shy pa 'yong mga graduates.

a123

May 22, 2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by MiSTeRYoSA
It depends. Used to work in HR and we don't really consider who are grad of this and that school. Depende sa opening and core competencies na kelangan. Daming taga-PUP, AMA sa previous company ko. Usually, pag mga January, June and October, dami kaming applicants from DLSU kasi nga kakagraduate lang. Di na school ang basis ng paghire ng applicant kundi sa attitude (early to detect though, basis namin interviews and tests), goals, core competencies. I think most of the graduates from these schools have the edge in oral and written communication. Ang galing talaga nilang magexpress ng sarili unlike sa ibang schools na medyo shy pa 'yong mga graduates.

these students, i think, could better express themselves because na rin of the training they were able to acquire while they were still attending school. I personally am a graduate of one of these universities and i must say talagang sa school pa lang, trained na kami on howto properly present (and sell!) ourselves:D

MiSTeRYoSA

May 23, 2002, 11:22 AM

I agree. Although, there are still graduates of these schools who are not that eloquent. Generally, they have above average communication skills :-)

vroom22

May 23, 2002, 02:47 PM

Having excelent grades and a graduate in a prestigous school does not give you the edge. It will help a bit what companys are really looking for are people who can fit in an organization and those who will stay with the company for a long period of time. Coz a company will invest hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pesos to train their new employees. If that employee resigned lets say about 6 months, therefore the companys investment went down to the toilet. Among others are personality, appearance blah blah....

Last monday I applied in BPI buendia a person next to me graduated in UP diliman with honors. So syempre intimidated ako. The first step in applying is your going to have an initial interview. TO my surprise hindi natangap si UP boy. Then I was the next person to be questionned syempre bola bola. whats your career objective? why arent your grades any better? blah blah. Tangap ako for examination. Kaso I failed the 3rd test! Sayang.

See it doesnt matter what school you came from as long as you know how to express yourself and another thing that I found out when your interviewed. Just act smart although you dont know anything. hehehe

cheesielicious

May 26, 2002, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by MiSTeRYoSA
I agree. Although, there are still graduates of these schools who are not that eloquent. Generally, they have above average communication skills :-)

i agree!

cheesielicious

May 26, 2002, 10:21 AM

I think this thing about the TOP 4 schools having an edge over others is true - because of biases and misconceptions .... misconception because a lot of people think na pag-graduate ka sa isa sa mga school na yun eh magaling ka na, kaya nga a LOT of highschool students take their entrance exams yearly.... at kaya siguro sobrang nagmamalaki ang mga magulang pag naka-pasa ang mga anak nila....
but the thing is, HINDI LAHAT ng students ng 4 schools na yan ay magagaling... I'm a UP student and i know a lot of people who got into the university dahil may kakilala sila sa "loob" and not because they passed the exams... (dito talaga sa pinas kakaloka! even getting enrolled in universities involves a lot of politics!)
but it all comes down to what you know and what you can do...

melloncollie

May 27, 2002, 10:21 AM

Whoever says that products of UP, Ateneo, and La Salle are the best is majorly deluded. Not necessarily. Please do not make such hasty generalizations. The best graduates are those who have exceptional grades in school and the right attitude towards life and work. And these students can come from the different universities and college in the country, prestigious or not.

Cobkin

May 28, 2002, 01:06 PM

Yup, they have the edge. I think it's more on the assumption that generally speaking, students from these schools have better quality education.

Graduates from other schools are almost always required to prove themselves doubly hard.

Clovis_Sangrail

May 30, 2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by melloncollie
Whoever says that products of UP, Ateneo, and La Salle are the best is majorly deluded. Not necessarily. Please do not make such hasty generalizations. The best graduates are those who have exceptional grades in school and the right attitude towards life and work. And these students can come from the different universities and college in the country, prestigious or not.

good grades does not automatically make anyone a good graduate- many people who graduated with honors are outshone by the so called "underachievers" when it comes to the real world.

Its all a matter of applying what you've learned in the classroom, and outside the classroom whime you're in school.

In fairness the the top 3 (UP, Ateneo, DLSU)- they have a gruelling and trying selection process- to ensure that the best applicants who applied will be selected.

Of course- not all the best students may opt to apply to these 3- but the point is- those who do get in, are the survivors- and well- the best :D

And nowadays- its not the school that company looks at- but the individual.

Not surprising-in a school blind application/hiring exercise (where the participants were asked to exclude the name of their alma mater in the application form) - the majority who usually come out on top- are graduates from UP, Ateneo, or DLSU.

Maybe they have developed better communication skills, critical thinking, and "real world" skills that made them better (as opposed to spoonfeeding in some institutions).

Of course- these schools also produce their share of "rejects" but the point is- these institution consistently churn out high quality graduates.

in_the_zone

Jun 1, 2002, 07:01 AM

certainly. whether we want to admit it or not, may edge talaga grads from the 3. parang positioned na yung mind ng mga people na pag from doon ang grad, ok sila. but the thing is, may slackers ding studes from these schools kaso since taga-don sila mataas na rin yung tingin... my 2 cousins are applying for a job and while waiting may lumabas, sabi: oi yung mga graduates ng UP, Ateneo, La Salle pumila dito... pero syempre hindi ganon ka palengkera ang voice, something to that effect lang..

may nagsabi rin na easy sa kanila to find a job because of connections... true yon sobra. my friend works in abs cbn because of connection, friend nya. imagine, student pa lang.

but hard work counts din. present yourself well during interviews and bola-bola ;) pag tinanong: if bibigyan ka ng rival company ng much higher salary, tatanggapin mo? syempre sagot dapat hinde! hinde! basta magbolahan lang kayo para ok.

plus, hindi nagmamatter ang grades that much... dapat makulay din ang buhay nyo outside the classroom... yung mga orgs yan salihan nyo.

at lastly, another sucky truth: yung beauty nyo, boys and girls importante yan! may tita friend ko working in NBC. may hire sila na gwapo pero without anything. ang reason: besides the face, he will learn daw...

aynako dat's life good luck na lang sa tin lahat!

Cobkin

Jun 1, 2002, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by in_the_zone
certainly. whether we want to admit it or not, may edge talaga grads from the 3. parang positioned na yung mind ng mga people na pag from doon ang grad, ok sila. but the thing is, may slackers ding studes from these schools kaso since taga-don sila mataas na rin yung tingin... my 2 cousins are applying for a job and while waiting may lumabas, sabi: oi yung mga graduates ng UP, Ateneo, La Salle pumila dito... pero syempre hindi ganon ka palengkera ang voice, something to that effect lang..

may nagsabi rin na easy sa kanila to find a job because of connections... true yon sobra. my friend works in abs cbn because of connection, friend nya. imagine, student pa lang.

but hard work counts din. present yourself well during interviews and bola-bola ;) pag tinanong: if bibigyan ka ng rival company ng much higher salary, tatanggapin mo? syempre sagot dapat hinde! hinde! basta magbolahan lang kayo para ok.

plus, hindi nagmamatter ang grades that much... dapat makulay din ang buhay nyo outside the classroom... yung mga orgs yan salihan nyo.

at lastly, another sucky truth: yung beauty nyo, boys and girls importante yan! may tita friend ko working in NBC. may hire sila na gwapo pero without anything. ang reason: besides the face, he will learn daw...

aynako dat's life good luck na lang sa tin lahat!

depende rin sa course minsan. like medical courses, i think sho-in din ang graduates from ust, ue, and feu. walang pang cpa na course ang ateneo, so siguro may ibang schools na namang favored.

how's ama taken in the it industry ba? i've worked with a few ama graduates and they're actually quite good.

claire18

Jun 9, 2002, 12:49 PM

azrael07

Jun 9, 2002, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by king

and usually cheap shirts are FAKE!

that's not the point!! :(

Jonga

Jun 10, 2002, 06:24 PM

palakasan lang naman yan e.....alam natin na maraming owners na galing sa mga school na yan. kung La Salle yung owner/head, shempre La Salle din ang hire niya.....

kayo...pag head/owner kayo ng isang company....ano mas prefer niyo?? shempre kaskul niyo!

Hitokiri_Drizzt

Jun 11, 2002, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Jonga
palakasan lang naman yan e.....alam natin na maraming owners na galing sa mga school na yan. kung La Salle yung owner/head, shempre La Salle din ang hire niya.....

kayo...pag head/owner kayo ng isang company....ano mas prefer niyo?? shempre kaskul niyo!

Paano pag multinational yung company? Usually- they prefer the people who graduated from the top schools (UP, Ateneo, DLSU)- coz the graduates from these schools have a good reputation and proven track record already.

Unfair? yup- but that's life.

It's not the clannish attitude that get ppl from the top 3 hired- it's the reputation, a reputation they try hard to protect and maintain :jap:

But- in the end, it's the individual's merits that will make him/her succeed in the long run.

The schools' reputation might help- but only for a short time.

podracer

Jun 11, 2002, 09:26 AM

think its not d skul dat matters N D END!Its U!coz d company nd or co-workers wil judge u wd ur PERFORMANCE not frm wer d heck!grad.

Chickity-Chynna

Jun 14, 2002, 12:22 AM

i'm no graduate of these schools, but i was able to have jobs at multinational companies. it doesn't affect me at all.

mac_bolan00

Jun 15, 2002, 02:12 AM

chicky,

the explanation to your statement lies in the fact that most multinats are more objective in looking for suitable candidates and that they are generally unimpressed by the BIG LIE being espoused all over makati with regard to the MYTHICAL FOUR. people really do have a penchant to lie even to themselves and, as adolph hitler's propaganda minister once said, "A LIE REPEATED A THOUSAND TIMES BECOMES TRUTH".

yes, many people in makati lie about UP, ateneo, lasalle and UST. they lie because the stakes are high. to expose the thruth would threaten their filial piety. it would theaten their self-esteem. it would threaten a lucrative private education industry. company owners, line managers and recruitement officers are all accessory to these lies.

KuyaDanny

Jun 15, 2002, 11:34 AM

Ateneo, UP, DLSU grads: they have the edge? has been merged with this discussion.

abcxyz

Jun 15, 2002, 12:09 PM

dont kid yourselves --- where you go to school matters. specially for new graduates. its a good start point for getting your resume read and even an interview. in marketing terms, and loosely used, this is called "brand image".

but when you're on the job, specially on your 2nd or 3rd year, it will matter much less. in marketing terms, this is called "product performance".

Andrei

Jun 15, 2002, 05:12 PM

yeah it's all about the person but of course if u come from any of the top schools, you definitely have an edge over the graduates of other schools. This is because of the fact that the top schools have a more up-to-date and competitive curriculum. Students from these schools get immersed in the "latest" technologies and IMHO are taught by better and more competent professors.

I think though that when you have gained at least 2 years (or even 1) professional experience and a really neat track record, a bachelor degree from even any of the top schools won't even have bearing. A post graduate degree however is altogether a different thing

pis awt

andrei

glenchuy

Jun 16, 2002, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by bandicooot
we have to accept the fact that products of ATENEO, Lasalle & UP are the best there is.

UST? duhh!?? i'm only 26 but i have many subordinates coming from espana mostly 5-9 yrs my senior,imagine having such a low life like those creatures from the slums of central manila?....mind you they're pathetically IDIOTS.

the only consolation is : Thomasians are so adept in preparing a good coffee. :D

:rofl:

pare, sa course lang yan-

anong course ka ba at saang skwela ka ba nanggaling?

wtf are you talking about? if you were comparing say- comsci of ust to comsci of lasalle- of course the usual response would be to choose the grad from lasalle-

but in the case of other different courses- ust have the edge-

i am a grad of ust archi- and i am glad to say that-

"ang mga nagtitimpla sa opisina ko ng kape ko ay mga grad ng engineering ng lasalle --"

that's not said in order to- ika nga "adding more fuel to the fire" this thread is already hot as it is- it's just that different people have different credentials- in my circle of friends- only i come from ust, the other comes from lasalle, the other two come from ateneo- but i don't go out bashing them and telling them that they're stupid- or FU--ing idiots- because they don't know what i know- how could they? they studied a different course.

it's not the school that matters- usually it helps- but it's not the end all be all- my dad is the perfect example- he graduated from UE- he's not even the top of his class- but as of this time- this day- he earns a whopping 6 digit salary a month- NOT counting other money he earns from business- (can i repeat it and say it's SALARY) that's 7 digits a year (ONLY from salary) enough to buy me 2 cars every month-

PARE sa abilidad lang talaga yan- and with the attitude you are showing- it's no wonder nanguutos ka pa ng tao para pagtimplahan ka ng kape- in my office- they do it the moment i step in- all that with a smile.

starlite xpress

Jun 18, 2002, 09:21 PM

Personally, I also would like to give chances to those from other schools aside from UP, La Salle, Ateneo or UST. Pero pag dating sa performance sa trabaho, mostly ang mga naihaharap lang talaga sa cliente at successfully nakakapag handle ng mga projects/accounts ay mga taga La Salle, UP o Ateneo.

Mostly, kapag sila ang binigyan ng leadership o key position, eh nagagawa ang trabaho under minimal guidance and supervision. Wala ring problema kung pasugurin mo sa isang site with minimum briefing at makipag deal sa cliente o mag present sa harap ng maraming tao. Alam kaagad ang sasabihin because they know their jobs.

Alam nila agad ang gagawin sa mga sitwasyon ng hindi ka na kailangan tawagin o tanungin pa ng tanungin (yung mga taga ibang school kasi tatanong mo pa sa sarili mo kung pano ba sila nakagraduate). Ang mga taga UST naman minsan OK din pero marami ding natitiklop kapag nasa unusual situation na.

Mas matataas ang efficiency rate kapag grad ng UP, La Salle o Ateneo kaya hindi niyo rin masisisi ang mga employers kung bakit medyo leaning toward those three (sometimes four) schools ang preference when hiring professionals. Sa Engineering field naman; UP, La Salle at Mapua ang Big 3. Sa Architecture, UP, UST at Mapua.

Kapag kasi yung mga taga "ibang school" na, minsan kapag kakaiba na ang sitwasyon hindi na alam ang gagawin. O kaya simpleng bagay tanong ng tanong o puro excuses na halata namang hindi lang pala alam kung paano. Ang mga taga UP, DLSU at ADMU at Mapua alam ang gagawin at kung hindi man, aalamin nila at gagawin din eventually.

Yun lang naman ay generally speaking. Karamihan kasi ganun ang kaso eh, pero meron ka ding makikitang palpak na mayabang from UP, La Salle at Ateneo. Meron din namang makikitang magagaling from Adamson, UE and FEU na minsan mas magagaling pa sa taga Big 3.

pale_pilsen

Jun 18, 2002, 11:50 PM

abcxyz

Jun 18, 2002, 11:54 PM

for companies who hire ---- its not "giving chances to others", its really more "hiring the best among the applicants and best fit".

mac_bolan00

Jun 19, 2002, 01:42 AM

if you look at the posts here, you'll notice the cynicism, especially towards current HR practices. 'the best' is narrowly interpreted to mean people from the 'four'. what's bad is this belief is prevalent not only among general populace but by the industry practitioners themselves. see how this so-called 'best fit' plays into the bias. i've had that bullsh_t slapped into my face a number of times by airheaded recruitment officers. the funny thing was, i'm a specialist who does not interact with customers and hardly, if ever with personnel. this best fit rule is an artificial prescription for what management feels is the right composition within the organization. in practice, the definition is simplified to describe people who come from that demographic group peculiar for the 'four'.

so the lie is practiced actively. and the worst thing is, practitioners don't even have the balls to admit it.

abcxyz

Jun 19, 2002, 02:29 AM

i think most hr practiioners will admit and do recognize there is a bias in favor of certain schools. and they will tell you the reason for the bias is that based on their experience, the better candidates come from particular schools.

it is the reality out there. life is tough. and often never fair. so suck it up. and be smart and try to win over the system and the biases.

Tifosi

Jun 19, 2002, 02:37 AM

Equal Employment Opportunity is a concept that the Philippine corporate environment has yet to absorb. It is really sad that excellent, deserving products of the "non-top 4" schools are not given a shot to do well in the corporate world. You really can't point a finger as to who's to blame for this prevalent practice. Recruitment deps of these companies could be drawing on ill-experiences from some schools that they tend to generalize all students from such and such schools as "sub-standard.

Hindi naman porque't galing sa UP, AdMU, DLSU, UST eh magaling na. Pero more often than not the products of these sschools make the grade kasi mas magaling ang training sa kanila. However it's not often the case kasi like in our company, marami rin akong kasama na galing from PLM, even St. Louis (tama ba spelling ko) sa Baguio and i would say na magaling sila; I even dare to say na mas magaling pa sila sa mga grads from the top 4 schools.

Let's give equal employment opportunity a shot!*okay*

mac_bolan00

Jun 19, 2002, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by abcxyz
i think most hr practiioners will admit and do recognize there is a bias in favor of certain schools. and they will tell you the reason for the bias is that based on their experience, the better candidates come from particular schools.

it is the reality out there. life is tough. and often never fair. so suck it up. and be smart and try to win over the system and the biases.
so now you're saying testing and selection is not on a per applicant basis but on pre-set standards based on experience. yes, you will get your 'best' that way.

i don't mean to turn this into a moral issue but company owners can justify their action through just one principle and that is self-interest. nothing more.

abcxyz

Jun 19, 2002, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by mac_bolan00

so now you're saying testing and selection is not on a per applicant basis but on pre-set standards based on experience. yes, you will get your 'best' that way.

i don't mean to turn this into a moral issue but company owners can justify their action through just one principle and that is self-interest. nothing more. yes, there are pre-set standards. and yes you do categorize applicants.

self-interest? that is also true. business is all about self-interest. a business is about making money for itself. thats self-interest. without self-interest for individual companies, their competition will eat them alive. self-interest by the way does not necessairly mean breaking the law and throwing business ethics.

both for business and for applicants (and life in general), this applies : "the best man/woman/company wins".

mac_bolan00

Jun 19, 2002, 04:14 AM

isn't the meeting of two brilliant minds wonderful? we now see that the ruling class, the industry captains and the merchants, control not only our economy but also the minds of the young. all the garbage being exchanged in the academe forum is brought about largely by their selfish motives.

:D

lukaret

Jun 20, 2002, 10:49 AM

Let's face it certain schools have their forte and specialties. It really depends on the course because not all graduates of Ateneo or La Salle are good.

I'd also agree with the other posts here it depends on the applicant also, the top schools mentioned really do place so much importance with communication, interpersonal relations, leadership and the like but in the end it really boils down to how you perform in your application and interviews if you don't belong to these schools and if you can make them forget that, then good for you.

True they do have that initial edge, let's face it because they deserve it anyway, hey it's not even easy to graduate and earn a degree in these schools because they have high standards of passing.

Schools have different styles of educating their students and sometimes it pays if you are tought the workings in the real world because when you get out of school, it really is diffrent. Books are not enough for u to gain edge, for example like us in UST, most of the professors especially in A.B. and Journalism practice practicality, very seldom do they require us to buy books, we are tought based on experience of the teachers. I saw the difference when I had my OJT and several UP Journalism students I talked to said they were tought with books and when they are actually on the field they refer to their books or theories. They were theoretical while we were practical. There was a big difference but for us, adjustment was much easier.

renina

Jun 20, 2002, 01:07 PM

To be more competitive nowadays, you got to have a Master's Degree or Ph.D.s

Graduates from US schools and other top schools from abroad are now a threat to the ADMU-UP-DLSU-UST Syndrome.

Worst threat: Employment in this country really sucks!

Migration would be an alternative solution.

mac_bolan00

Jun 20, 2002, 02:15 PM

good thing not everyone thinks like renina. from ateneo, right?

:D

Hitokiri_Drizzt

Aug 28, 2002, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by renina
To be more competitive nowadays, you got to have a Master's Degree or Ph.D.s

Graduates from US schools and other top schools from abroad are now a threat to the ADMU-UP-DLSU-UST Syndrome.

Worst threat: Employment in this country really sucks!

Migration would be an alternative solution.

:rolleyes:

JC00

Aug 28, 2002, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by almondeyes
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/rank_country/index.html#11
ayan pang 72 sa rank ang ateneo!

hindi top 100 to ano? mukhang top 77 lang.

bottom of the barrel of the best. 3 of the schools (dlsu, admu, ust) nasa 70+. UP lang ang medyo mataas (40+). sigh. good thing this is from year 2000 pa.

i don't think we have the right to brag about our university against other universities. look at the ranking. don't forget that these are asian universities pa lang.

michaelv

Aug 28, 2002, 04:28 PM

That study was discontinued by Asiaweek kse masyado daw 'subjective' eh, di naman totoong gauge yun of how good a school is. Pero 40+ place is quite good, kahit yung mga 70+ nung Ateneo and La Salle, okey na rin yun considering how many universities are there in Asia, mga top 10-20% na rin yun.

Wong_Mo_Gei

Sep 25, 2002, 10:02 AM

Well, being in the top 3 schools (UP, ATeneo, DLSU) certainly has an effect to applicants seeking entry level positions.

But for those applying for positions that require 2-3 years experience, the outcome will be decided by the applicant's past performance record rather than the school that yhey graduated from.

cookiepie

Sep 26, 2002, 12:10 AM

There is totally an air of arrogance from some of the posters here<i.e. being a grad or a student of one of the Top4>but then again,people,we are still a Third World country! I guess my point is,it would be more proper to prove yourself as worthy of your school instead of hiding behind your school's so-called brand name.:(

KGB

Sep 26, 2002, 04:18 AM

I remember this top 10 bank, they actually had a different logbook for applicants from the top schools. During the interview, the HR guy asked only a few questions and that was it. I didn't bother making a follow-up as I knew he was going to throw my application to the garbage bin.

It's a good thing I found a job where my boss does not come from a top university and does not really care if you came from one.

How could one prove himself if he cannot even get his foot in the door? Frankly, most HR people are presumptuous. They should all transfer to the US and let's see how many lawsuits will be filed against them for discriminating.

dreddurius

Jun 9, 2003, 06:53 PM

"Company seeking applicants, pref. from exclusive/reputable universities such as La Salle, Ateneo or UST...."

I graduated from Don Bosco. Does that make me a sub-standard, would-be employee who only wanted to work and, somehow, in my own twisted way, contribute to society?

Do these companies look down upon me whenever they peruse through my resume, and sneer at me like I'm pubic lice whenever they see the typewritten words under the heading "Graduated From"?

Do I have to enroll at these "exclusive SLASH reputable" universities so I can be a somebosy someday?

Poor me...

Being fortunate enough to have a 24/7 connection to the 'net, I spent a whole day *****-mailing these companies. Imagine the fun I had reading their replies.... :)

tamisguy

Jun 11, 2003, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by weapon_x11
More reason to be an enterpreneur or get out of the country to look for a job (mainis ka man, mataas naman ang suweldo mo). ;) I'm from UST and was never satisfied with what was offered in R.P so I got out.

Honestly, if I had to choose to what school I'd go to if I had the chance to go to UP, Ateneo or UST, I'd pick UP first then ateneo. Well, Im kinda bias. I went to UP diliman. :) It is an unfair advantage to go to those schools. More so from UP and Ateneo. But you have to understand, the majority of the students there had to go through a very stringent screening to have the privelege to attend those schools. But if someone is clearly smarter than the other applicant, then the school should never get into the equation at all. I sure do hope bandicoot is not a UP graduate.

Dunedain

Jun 12, 2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by KGB
I remember this top 10 bank, they actually had a different logbook for applicants from the top schools. During the interview, the HR guy asked only a few questions and that was it. I didn't bother making a follow-up as I knew he was going to throw my application to the garbage bin.

It's a good thing I found a job where my boss does not come from a top university and does not really care if you came from one.

How could one prove himself if he cannot even get his foot in the door? Frankly, most HR people are presumptuous. They should all transfer to the US and let's see how many lawsuits will be filed against them for discriminating.

What's being practiced here in the US which I didn't see in Pinas was EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. HR has no right to refuse anyone for giving an application nor they have the power to judge who's the best candidate. The only rule is "First Come, First Serve".

In Pinas, however, applicants are always discriminated for their academic background, experience, communication skills, and in most instances, their appearance.

Is there such a thing as EQUAL OPPORTUNITY in Pinas? If there is, then my name is Mickey Mouse and my roommate is the Easter Bunny.

kulantro

Jun 12, 2003, 03:48 AM

sabi nga ng tatay ko.. kung dalawang bagong graduate ang mag-aapply sa isang kumpanya, isang iskolar galing tuguegarao at isang iskul bukol galing ateneo.. sino kaya ang kukunin?? :rolleyes:

dreddurius

Jun 12, 2003, 06:48 AM

Sabay *** iskul bukol grad naka pda pa at may i-voice call pa sa 7650 nya [na regalo ng tatay nya maka-gradweyt lang] habang intay sa interview no? hehehe. Plus-elitista-points yo-yea [+50 points pa un pag naka iPaq pa] tapos pag sa interview na sasabihin pa ng interviewer: "uy ang cool, pede mong i-beam mo sa kin naman *** apps mo?"

.. [oa na ba? heheh] ..

uhm

Jun 12, 2003, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by kulantro
sabi nga ng tatay ko.. kung dalawang bagong graduate ang mag-aapply sa isang kumpanya, isang iskolar galing tuguegarao at isang iskul bukol galing ateneo.. sino kaya ang kukunin?? :rolleyes:

I'm from the Ateneo. And I'm a Scholar (or an Iskolar as you put it).

But I applied to a company dominated by people from Mapua, UP, and even La Salle. The people who interviewed me were from Mapua and UST. I got hired.

The good thing about working here is that you have to rely on your own qualities/skills to go up the corporate ladder and not on your connections.

Also, you get to meet other people and acknowledge that they are really good and brilliant as well. You get to learn from them also.

dekster

Jun 12, 2003, 02:19 PM

Well... in the accounting and finance dept of the multinational company I'm working for, I have met a large number of people who graduated from schools in provinces as well as the u-belt area...

badasschick

Jun 13, 2003, 04:39 AM

As for UST graduates being idiots, THAT IS SO NOT TRUE. My dad is an ECE graduate from UST, and he worked for Intel, and taught at UP. And didn't you know that UST is one of the ONLY four schools in the Philippines recognized by New Zealand in terms of producing world-class graduates? So if you're a UP, La Salle, Ateneo, or UST graduate, there's a big chance for your visa to be approved. New Zealand is a rich country, with lots of job opportunities. I think it says a lot that it recognized UST graduates as world-class.

the_BuGs

Jun 15, 2003, 01:33 PM

ATENEO,LA SALLE and UP....

sa 4 years working experience ko sa Pinas...... sa mga company na napagtrabahuhan ko..... wala naman akong discrimination sa schools na nakita eh..... nde ako graduate sa school na sinasabi sa topic na ito..... mraming applicants from different school ang pumapasa sa mga exams... like PUP,PLM,MAPUA,AMA,FEU at kung ano pang eskwelahan........and sa nakita ko ang naging problema lang sa mga tao na ito eh napakababa ng self confidence o mahina ang loob......katulad nun dati graduate sya ng PLM....ang galing nya lalo na sa written and technical exams... kaso ang pagdating sa interview...ang naging problema nya eh mahina yung loob....... ok lang naman maging humble kung tutuusin eh... pero wag namang isobrang pababa.....

Ang naging edge lang talaga ng school na nsa topic na ito eh sa 1st year pa lang na-bu-build up na yung self confidence ng estudyante.

Jonga

Jun 15, 2003, 01:50 PM

panapanahon lang yan......may era na maganda ang isang skul....may era na lay low......parang basketball lang yan.....may era na sikat....may era na bulok.....

dhines

Aug 20, 2003, 07:20 AM

vandarkala

Aug 20, 2003, 08:28 AM

Their reputation stems from consistenly being able to produce top of the line graduates. This isn't to say that there are no "bad eggs" in the lot but that there are a lot more good eggs in the batch and these schools are able to do this year after year. As opposed to other schools who produce good students that are more like gems in the rough in comparison to the lot. And it's not about buying reputation since there are in fact very wealthy schools that do not necessarily have good reps. And there are not so rich schools that have very good reputations.

Anyway, it's stupid and narrow-minded to think that students from the "other" schools are pathetic idiots. And puh-lease, before calling anyone an idiot, try improving your grammmer because you're making yourself look like an idiot.

Una_dagmar

Aug 20, 2003, 12:42 PM

I'd have to definitely agree that graduates from other schools aside from the abovementioned schools should be given a chance at employment provided that they are capable of handling the task that they are applying for.

The only advantage perhaps of the graduates of Ateneo, etc. is that most of the professors give them a chance at good education as well. I have to admit that it's a very challenging job to teach when you are not being paid your worth.

Now back to the topic:

The probable reason why some companies explicitly advertise their preference for grads of these schools is that they want to avoid wasting time screening grads who aren't really qualified for the job. What they don't know is that there are brilliant minds and good, honest and hardworking grads everywhere (to their loss, by the way).

the_BuGs

Aug 20, 2003, 01:51 PM

Sa akin lang pare-pareho lang naman ang lahat ng eskwelahan eh.......... katulad ng sinabi ko nuon.... ang kagandahan sa UP,ATENEO,DLSU na grad ... 1st year pa lang natuturuan na sila ng matinding Self Confidence....

Example na lang si Jonga nde naman galing sa UP,ATENEO,DLSU at UST pero magaling na empleyado yan(Programmer at System Analyst) ..... nung una mahina pa loob nyan.... nung napabarkada sa akin sa opisina nuon eh... mas kumapal pa yata mukha kesa sa akin :D

vandarkala

Aug 21, 2003, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by Una_dagmar
I'd have to definitely agree that graduates from other schools aside from the abovementioned schools should be given a chance at employment provided that they are capable of handling the task that they are applying for.

The only advantage perhaps of the graduates of Ateneo, etc. is that most of the professors give them a chance at good education as well. I have to admit that it's a very challenging job to teach when you are not being paid your worth.

Now back to the topic:

The probable reason why some companies explicitly advertise their preference for grads of these schools is that they want to avoid wasting time screening grads who aren't really qualified for the job. What they don't know is that there are brilliant minds and good, honest and hardworking grads everywhere (to their loss, by the way).

Couldn't agree with you more. We can't blame companies for being pragmatic. And it's not just about confidence...because confidence without the skills to support it is mere arrogance. And we all know how far that'll get you. Take a look at bandicoot for example, how much further do you think he'll get? I don't think he's in a position that has enough authority to hire new people. Will he ever get there?

vandarkala

Aug 21, 2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by lukaret

Schools have different styles of educating their students and sometimes it pays if you are tought the workings in the real world because when you get out of school, it really is diffrent. Books are not enough for u to gain edge, for example like us in UST, most of the professors especially in A.B. and Journalism practice practicality, very seldom do they require us to buy books, we are tought based on experience of the teachers. I saw the difference when I had my OJT and several UP Journalism students I talked to said they were tought with books and when they are actually on the field they refer to their books or theories. They were theoretical while we were practical. There was a big difference but for us, adjustment was much easier. [/B]

It's in the details. Let me point out a difference between a school in the top three and the other schools. "Taught", meaning "having conveyed some information in order for an individual to learn" is spelled with an "a" and not an "o". And we're supposed to be talking about AB Journalism here. How basic is grammar to the precepts of journalism? Theory without practice is nothing. The top schools will tend to have both.

LINGGIT^F

Aug 21, 2003, 02:57 AM

i graduated from UST last year and im currently working in a top telecommunications company. i have lots of officemates and friends here who are graduates of UP, ATENEO & LA SALLE and of course from my school. but i also have other officemates who came from other schools like MIRIAM COLLEGE, ST. SCHO, LETRAN, SAN SEBASTIAN, etc. almost all of them are as good as those who graduated from the top 4 universities.

anyway, depende narin sa company yan. madami nakong naencounter sa paghanap hanap ko ng trabaho last year nung pagka grad ko na iba't ibang kompanya at iba-iba talaga policy nila. merong companies (usually *** mga malalaking companies like PROCTER&GAMBLE, UNILEVER, COLGATE, etc) ang talagang TOP PRIORITY nila graduates from the top 4 universities lang pero hindi ibig sabihin nun di na sila naghahire from other schools coz i know someone who's working there right now and he's not a graduate from the said schools. talagang magaling lang ***..meron ding companies na mas pineprefer ang graduates ng "certain school" kaci siguro mas bilib sila sa galing ng mga graduates ng school na yun. like last year when i applied at INTERNATIONAL EXCHANGE BANK, the interviewer admitted to me that most applicants na hinahire nila graduates from ATENEO. try to check with ACCENTURE, karamihan naman dun graduates ng UST. so depende talaga. nakakalungkot mang isipin, meron talagang kompanya na hindi tumatanggap ng ibang applicants kung hindi graduate ng UP, ATENEO, DLSU OR UST (try to check the classified ads every sunday and you'll see the discrimination even sa ads pa lang)..minsan UP OR ATENEO lang. ive come accross this ad one time na naghahanap *** certain company ng applicant for a certain position and nakalagay lang..MUST BE A GRADUATE OF MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING FROM ATENEO. lalo na kung fresh grad ka shempre san pa sila titingin eh wala ka pang experience so usually binebase nlng nila sa school kung san ka gumradweyt lalo pa pag walang board exam *** course na tinapos mo. kaci kung may board exam pag once napasa mo na yun ok ka na, dahil isang exam lang *** tinest nyo buong pilipinas so yung school kung san ka gumradweyt, it wouldnt matter anymore. i had my OJT at BPI when i was on my junior year in college, and most of the officers and top managers there are graduates of UST. meron ding isang officer dun na taga PUP. well anyway dito naman sa company namen, iba-iba din alma mater ng mga big boss dito. so iba-iba talaga yan.

problema lang kaci saten, andaming mayayabang. kala mo porke graduate ka na ng mga 4 schools na yun, instant trabaho na kagad pagkagrad. pwede ba, pagkagrad ko sabay-sabay kami nag apply ng mga barkada ko at ngayon pare-pareho lang kami natanggap sa magagandang kompanya (kasama ko nakapasa dito friend ko from ATENEO, two from MIRIAM COLLEGE & FROM ST. PAUL QC)..yung friend ko naman from DLSU, nagwowork sa MERALCO kasama *** friend ko from UPLB and FEU. sa totoo lang saming magbabarkada, ang pinaka nahirapan pa nga maghanap ng trabaho *** taga DLSU palipat lipat *** ng work kaci nag-aaccept sa kanya mga companies na mabababa magbigay ng sweldo to think na with honors pa cyang gumradweyt sa dlsu (she took up actuarial science)..until finally nabigyan *** ng opportunity dun sa company nya ngayon thru the help of my other friends there. so NASA TAO PADIN YUN! NASA PAGTITIYAGA NYO PADIN YUN!.. tapos dito napakadami pang PEXERS na mga MAYAYAMAN (OK..mostly from ATENEO, DLSU & UA&P but NOT ALL) na kala mo nasa kayamanan nila ang tagumpay! kung makapanliit ng mga taga UP & UST kala mo mga squatter lang kami..(ive read a lot of comments na "pambabastos" sa mga UPians being students from A "PUBLIC" school) *** mga taong ganyan sila ang nakakahiya..ewan ko kung pano sila pinalaki ng mga magulang nila. buti nlng *** mga kaibigan ko from ateneo & dlsu hindi ganyan at masasaya kaming lahat..pare-pareho kaming SUCCESFUL. lahat kami, pati *** iba na sa ibang skul gumradweyt. dahil sa pagtitiyaga namin yun. dahil sa sarili naming kakayanan yun.

vandarkala

Aug 21, 2003, 05:44 AM

Take it easy, bub.

Mind you, by sheer definition, UP is a public school.

Here's something to think about. How many students graduate from each of these schools in a year?

Ateneo: just around 2000 on a good year
La Salle: around 5000
UP Dil: Who knows?
UST: ???

Think of it in terms of quality. You cannot just base your arguments on your little experiences precisely because they are little. What are you? .001% of your school population? You might be more of the exception rather than the rule.

Just a thought. I'm not saying the top four are better, I'm just questioning your arguments.

ethel_1018

Aug 23, 2003, 08:59 PM

Subject reads... Give chance to others...
But who is not taking the chance here?

The problem and opportunity is: We have lesser jobs available than the number of job seekers.

Of course, those who do their homework get hired and it is the school you were from that prepared you to take relevant curriculums and units that would become the factor. That's why these schools manage to churn out graduates who lord it up the acceptance lists. These graduates were taught to be confident of their skills, for they know they are of a unique skills group. They were TRAINED to get THE JOB in the industry they pursued. ( I should know, i am one of them)

The solution: Don't look for a job, create new ones! Kung magaling ka talaga at tiwala ka sa palaman ng dalawang tenga mo... then create the situation where you hire the Upians Ateneans and La Sallians. =)

Why? Because, these schools don't have sole ownership over the ENTREPRENEUR SPIRIT. Yep, they didn't get units for it, get prepped for it like the other techno crazy subjects you see from their transcripts. In fact, most graduates from these schools weren't trained to be entrepreneurs, because, guess what? They were taught how best to get a JOB and stay in it! (except the BA grads of course!) We don't need more employees... we need employers. Dapat GANUN MAG ISIP ANG MGA NEW GRADS

slickmugen_13

Aug 24, 2003, 03:37 AM

Well, how about graduates from Universities abroad? Do those kind of Fresh Grads are able to get good jobs back in the Philippines?

red_blood

Aug 24, 2003, 05:58 AM

there are a lot of good schools out there. not just these three schools.

when you work in a company.. it will not matter anymore on what school you graduated from. what matters is your performance.

insanity

Sep 26, 2003, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by LinuxMandrake
isa lang ang solusyon jan. kung sa tingin nyong magagaling talaga kayo, try it out with IT companies, i dare you. ang asawa ko walang IT background, nasa IT company ngayon. i have a friend, nak****ng, HRM ang tinapos pero Linux guru. so try your luck with an IT company. if you make it, my hat's off to you. (kasi ako, makakapasok lang siguro sa ganyan, pag puti ng uwak... nyahahahaha...)

My bf is a European Languages major and he's certified in both Java and Oracle and a lot of other thingamajigs I'm not familiar with. But then again, he is from UP ;)

reyna_elena

Sep 26, 2003, 11:05 PM

this is true. My sister who is a graduate of LA SALLE told me na may discrimination daw sa mga Big companies, like P&G, Unilever, Accenture, Shell, Caltex, Nike et cetera... nun nag-apply sya sa isang company 14 applicants lang sila, 8 lang ang kukunin.
the applicants include 3 from DLSU, 1 from UP - Diliman, 1 from SLU Baguio, 3 from UST, 2 from Ateneo, 1 from PUP (cum laude), 2 from St Scho and 1 from Bicol U (laude rin), may ni-fill up-an sila, parang profile. Then 10 lang ang kinuha for essay exam. Nawala yung taga PUP, SLU, 1 UST at 1 St. Scho. then after nun exam na.

Ang natira 3 from DLSU!!! lahat pasok, taga Ateneo yung HR. then pasok din 2 from Ateneo, 2 from UST and 1 St Scho.
hindi "DAW" natanggap yung taga-UP dahil iba daw ang 'wave lenght". dunno what it means/:( :)

Labamba

Oct 17, 2003, 11:00 PM

This is really an Unfair hiring-practices of the multinational companies! but i'm glad that my school has a good reputation. madali akong nakakuha ng work after the board exam.

But my GF, who is a gradute from the "other' school had had a hard time looking for a position in a multinational accounting firms.
she passed the board exam, ok naman ang grades nia, sabay kaming nag-apply sa mga malalaking accounting firm sa Philamlife ;), at iba pang firms. pero ni isa! hindi s;ya tinawagan for interview! This 2 HR-girls from hmmm.. dont want to mention kung saang accoutning firm.ask us first kung saan kami graduate, ang when they Hear na from UP, DLSU, UST o Beda ka, they will ask you to enter in a room. naiwan yung GF ko, pero pinapasok din sila sa kabilang room! pinag-fill out sila ng form then tatawagan na lang daw, she waited for me for 30 minutes, coz we were ask to do an essay after filling out the form. Silang mga UE, isa pang taga-PUP at PSBA, e pinauwi na after nung form.
i felt bad for her. hindi naman nya kasalanan na sa UE s'ya nag-aral. She;s smart. mas matalino pa ng sya sa kin e. she helped me in my assignementsn and during review.

bakit nga ba ganon?

CoolCucumber

Oct 19, 2003, 03:31 PM

eto pa... mga asawa ng pinsan ko naga-apply para sa trabaho. yung isa taga-UST 'yung isa ewan ko. edi pila, right? biglang may nag-announce na mauna daw sa pila ang mga galing UP, ateneo at la salle. i totally don't agree with this! hindi porke't galing sa mga "top" schools e ganun na lang ang treatment sa ibang grads.

but you know what, guys, parang hindi rin naman natin masisisi ang mga companies e. minsan kasi talaga kulang sa training ang grads ng ibang schools. like my friends for their practicum applied at a company that handles restaurant chains. puro negative ang growth, sabi nila. tapos sila pa talaga ang gumawa ng marketing gimmicks. masama pa ang treatments ng mga superior nila sa kanila. feeling namin e dahil insecure sila because mataas nga posisyon nila, hindi naman makadiskarte.

but still, applicants should be hired based on qualifications above anything else. may mga grads na napoproduce ang big 3 na bulok. sa ibang schools din naman.

SeR3NaDe

Oct 20, 2003, 10:29 AM

Interesting talaga itong thread na to....

Hindi naman po ako pabor sa side ng mga graduates of these top 3 schools because I am not even a graduate of these said universities but all I can say is talagang mas may edge sila. Yung mga companies kasi pag newly grad ang applicant, since wala silang basis dahil wala namang working experience...yung school na lang na pinanggalingan nila ang nagiging basehan because their institutions produce high percentage of quality graduates every year. Totoo naman po di ba? Presidents, Senators, Congressmen and the like most probably graduated from these universities... al though some of the good leaders that we have do not have or not even finish college. Kaya nasa tao pa din yun and kung ano talaga ang goal nya sa buhay...

I don't feel bad dun sa mga tao na galing sa top 3 (except for those na talagang mayayabang) just because I am not one of them. If I were only given a chance to choose kung anong school ang gusto ko, of course dun na ako sa top 3... most of us will probably feel the same... (magpakatotoo po tayo). Yun nga lang, hindi ako sinuwerte sa UPCAT... :) Most of us took the UPCAT and only few got accepted which is the reason kung bakit mas may edge ka kapag galing ka dito... But thankful din ako dahil I was able to find a good job right after graduation kahit hindi ako graduate ng Ateneo, UP or La Salle. Yun nga lang, I know na mas marami pang magagandang opportunity na naghihintay sa akin kung galing ako sa top 3 kaya medyo nanghihinayang din ako... but then... i know i will be just fine.

I am not a gradute of these universities but I hope my future kids are. Because I would like to give them the best education but with proper manners (the most important) which of course should start from home... :)

Yun lang po...

llamas777

Nov 2, 2003, 02:21 PM

No offense to everyone but here is how I see this topic.

The top schools get all the good breaks and the rest gets the crumbs. (Good or bad depende where you stand).

Well, kung HR manager ako, ano ba ang basehan ko para i-hire ang newly grad?

Ideally ...

Dapat mataas ang aptitude test sa soft skills (communication skills, people skills, leadership skills) at hard skills (technical skills like programming, accounting, etc depende sa position). At tama iyong personality fit sa job.

Kung magaling sa both areas si Student A kaysa kay Student B, siempre hands down, si Student A.

Kung magaling si Student B kaysa kay Student A, siempre hands down kay Student B ako regardless ng school.

Kung patas ang dalawa, isang (Student A) galing sa top 3 at isang galing sa ibang school (Student B), at isa lang ang puede kong i-hire, siempre based on experience and reputation, pipiliin ko na si Student A.

Dapat talaga, depende sa individual skills at hindi depende sa school.

Pero, in reality ...

Maraming companies ang nag-re-rely ng hiring based on schools lang. Hindi maganda kasi may mga bulok din namang guma-graduate sa top 3. Merong talagang magagaling na graduates from schools other than top 3. Pero, mas marami na-pro-produce na magagaling ang top 3 kaya nagkakaroon ng halo effect sa lahat.

Kesyo graduate ng top 3, magaling na. (Mali iyon kasi hindi lahat eh.) Kesyo graduate ng hindi top 3, hindi na magaling (Mali rin kasi may magagaling din!)

I think mababago pa ito pero matatagalan. Dapat magkaroon ng anti-discriminatory law dito sa pinas eh.

Iyon lang ...

mac_bolan00

Nov 2, 2003, 04:16 PM

it's easy for a school to make a name for itself. a graduate should start a business, make sure it keeps growing, and then hire only graduates from that school. in time, more graduates will follow suite, they will become a dominant bloc not only in business but also in politics. their hiring policies will remain ironclad. eventually, students will be applying in their alma mater in droves and willing to pay any price just to get a degree.

that's the only way i see.

LINGGIT^F

Nov 6, 2003, 12:24 AM

Sad to say..di na natin maaalis yang ganyang discrimination specially sa mga big companies.. :( nasa sayo nlng talga ang pagtitiyaga :(

ban29

Nov 6, 2003, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by almondeyes
yun na nga ang nakakainis e the more employers opt to those top three schools da more nagiging mayayabang *** mga graduates from those schools. i have nothing against those schools, its just that i hate it when people turns down an employee simple because he dont belong to the targeted school!and for all they know mas magagaling pa *** mga low profile na schools kesa dun sa "quality schools" na un e.its more on what you know,rather than where you came from e..they should give others a chance to prove themselves dba?i am a graduate of la salle and i dont see any point of having this kind of discrimination in the application process.i know some people who are good at what they do..pero since d sila kasali dun sa mga schools na un e until now jobless pa din.:( hope this'll change na..

I know what you mean I been in that situation not once but twice and it really hurt. They see you as if you dont know anything just because your not a graduate in Ateneo, DLSU or UP.

magnabash

Sep 17, 2005, 12:53 PM

Bakit mas maraming kinukuha na graduates galing U. P., DLSU, Ateneo UST, ibang kupanya dito sa bansa natin?

Kaya maraming, nag-a-abroad.

missfifty

Sep 17, 2005, 03:13 PM

Because they have the qualifications that Multi-national companies seek.. mas mautak at maganda ang exposure.. everyone has his own qualification naman kaya ganon..

Although I still can see you point..

radianLB

Sep 18, 2005, 09:31 PM

Bakit mas maraming kinukuha na graduates galing U. P., DLSU, Ateneo UST, ibang kupanya dito sa bansa natin?

Kaya maraming, nag-a-abroad.

mayroon ka bang "statistical data" para patunayan na mas marami ngang tinatanggap na empleyado galing sa mga paaralan na yan?

Ventada

Sep 19, 2005, 12:04 PM

Ang alam ko UP, La Salle, and Ateneo lang. UST mostly sa hospitals lang may demand ng konti ...

floreno

Sep 19, 2005, 03:02 PM

kasi yung may ari ng comp-anya either La sallista o atenean...etc

MrJedi

Sep 19, 2005, 04:58 PM

sad to say pero nangyayari talaga yung mga ganyan.

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RedLion2001

Sep 19, 2005, 05:46 PM

di naman sa lahat ng pagkakataon... its an accepted fact pero its not only between those 4 schools u mentioned... depende pa rin sa management... and syempre sa qualifications ng applicant...

Xandman

Sep 20, 2005, 11:14 AM

someone once told me why they tend to hire ppl from certain schools like those you mentioned. They hire them cause of the discipline the school has taught them in learning and dealing with their task. but that was just him. :)

tidus1203

Sep 20, 2005, 12:41 PM

mayroon ka bang "statistical data" para patunayan na mas marami ngang tinatanggap na empleyado galing sa mga paaralan na yan?

I think this does not need proving.... Sa mga job ads pa lang company even go as far as mentioning PREFERABLY graduates of UP, ADMU, DLSU, UST. SOmetimes di pa nga nasasama UST eh. Or sometimes instead of UST UA&P naman.

woofers

Sep 20, 2005, 02:01 PM

mayroon ka bang "statistical data" para patunayan na mas marami ngang tinatanggap na empleyado galing sa mga paaralan na yan?

See post #177 (http://tinyurl.com/attwz)

Of course- not all the best students may opt to apply to these 3- but the point is- those who do get in, are the survivors- and well- the best :D

And nowadays- its not the school that company looks at- but the individual.

Not surprising-in a school blind application/hiring exercise (where the participants were asked to exclude the name of their alma mater in the application form) - the majority who usually come out on top- are graduates from UP, Ateneo, or DLSU.

Maybe they have developed better communication skills, critical thinking, and "real world" skills that made them better (as opposed to spoonfeeding in some institutions).

Of course- these schools also produce their share of "rejects" but the point is- these institution consistently churn out high quality graduates.