First Quadrant

[migel]

want know more about my networking business? If your really good at this business I suggest you join dito sa 1st quadrant, its an innovation of networking. Madali kumita dito:)

[ka_enteng]

Ano ba ng nature ng business nila? Parang Forever Living din ba? Okey kayang sumali doon? Meron ba ditong member sa kanila?

[bullish]

Actually naunahan mo lang ako sa pag-gawa ng thread about this. This is networking (binary), ang ninenetwork naman nila eh shoes, bags, and soon daw other consumer products. Mataas ang joining fee dito kaya hindi ako nagtuloy. And besides sunog na ako sa networking, kahit na ano.

Anyone into this?

[livid]

I am actually part of this business na. PM me if you're interested. We have a seminar at Edsa Shangrila Hotel every week. :)

I'm actually a first-timer myself. Before, super allergic talaga ako sa ganyan. This is my first and last try with this kinda business. I wouldn't have joined if I had not seen how my childhood friend got rich in this. I joined two weeks ago, got two other high school friends to join too, and got my first check of P3,500 last Friday. So I guess it's true. :shrug:

By the way, you don't have to sell if you don't want to. Recruiting 2 people is all you need to do, since it is employing a binary system. Joining fee is P8,880





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INCOMPARABLE COMPANY ADVANTAGES & BENEFITS


1. 50% Discount on all FQPI Products -

LIFETIME Privilege given only to all registered and authorized FQPI Business Associates.

PRODUCTS:
Valentino Shoes
Fred Perry
Doyee Shoes and Bags
Newport Bags and Accessories
Celine
Manels
Rebecca Taylor
Lady Rustans
SM Elegance
Louise Philippe Polo
Carmelletes Casual and Dancing Shoes
Rossana Pena
Danzport
Health Products (such as Grape Seed,VitaLife and Lipolyte)


2. Insurance Protection up to P100,000.00 **

· Accidental Death
- Overseas Accident P 100,000.00 ** proceeds goes to the immediate family member.
- Personal Accident P 50,000.00 ** proceeds goes to the immediate family member.
· Total Disability
· Accident Hospitalization P 5,000.00 medical expenses
· Loss of income benefit P 500.00 weekly income during hospitalization

Bonuses and Income is/are transferable to any immediate family member in case of death
(accidental or natural) of the registered Business Associates. **

** For more info please inquire any of the registered Business Associate


3. Discounts and Privileges

- comes with a personalized FQPI Discount and Privilege Card )

Over 1,000 Commercial Establishments in the Philippines
Over 100,000 Commercial Establishments Abroad

Enjoy 5 to 50% discount and privileges on the following establishments:

· Dining ( restaurants, bar and coffee shops, etc )
· Jewelry Stores and Fashion Accessories stores
· Health and Beauty clinics
· Entertainment
· Fashion Boutiques and the like

( See Discount Guide Booklet for Details )

Money Back Guarantee worth P 2,500** for each and every item loss upon
Purchase. (** For more info inquire to any authorized FQPI Business Associate.)


4. Product Package Deal

· P 2,000 worth of shopping money of any FQPI product of your choice listed in the catalogue.
Package deal included in the business capital / joining fee.
First Quadrant Philippines Inc.

COMPANY BACKGROUND, CREDIBILITY & MISSION

FIRST QUADRANT PHILIPPINES INC. is finally here, backed by thirty eight (38) years of solid experience and unequal dedications to footwear and leather goods manufacturing, offers a wide selection of quality leather products that cater the specific needs, taste and different lifestyles of the Filipinos, as well as the International Market. The Board of Directors of FQPI are composed of professionals who are key players in the field of Direct Selling, Network Marketing, Retailing, Freight Forwarding and Manufacturing.

Researched and Studied in Harvard University in the United States for two (2) years, with regards to the stability, efficiency as well as the effectiveness of the improved and unique marketing plans / strategies to be able to meet or much better surpass the standards of the fast-phasing business world.

Established and Introduced to the market last January 8, 2002 with the company’s unique mix of prominent labels, an assortment of product lines, an outstanding marketing plan, Insurance protection, worldwide recognition and a philosophy directed at helping people achieve financial freedom.

A tradition of Excellence, Four Decades of Experience. A Lifetime of success and financial freedom for every Filipino from all walks of life, a chance to achieve success and make their cherished dreams a reality.

“ EVERYTHING IS IN THE FIRST QUADRANT”

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

SOCRATES SD. TUMPALAN – Chairman, First Quadrant Philippines Inc.
Currently the General Manager of LBC Int’l for 5 years
Expertise in the fields of Operations, Business Management and I.T.
Completing his Certification as a Licensed Microsoft Systems Engr.

RHODORA TACTACAN – TUMPALAN - President, First Quadrant Philippines Inc.
General Manager, D. Tactacan Shoe Manufacturing Plant.
12 yrs. in the marketing sector mainly in the Philippine Shoe Industry
Represented the country in various trade fairs & conventions abroad.

JULIE ROSE TACTACAN – DEFENSOR - Managing Director / Corp. Secretary, FQPI Phil. Inc.
Expertise in the field of Shoe Designing of Elegant footwear created
By the family owned D. Tactacan Shoe Manufacturing Plant.
Spouse of Sec. Mike Defensor – Nat’l Housing


They co-own and manage: D. Tactacan Shoe Manufacturing Plant
DTSF Leather Supply
DOYEE Shoes
New Shoes Philippines Inc.
Newport Fashion Circle Corporation

They supply and manufacture shoes for the following brands and boutiques:

Oleg Cassini, Lady Rustan’s, Manels Executive, SM Elegance
Milani, Styletto, Chateu Bourghesi, Celine
Rebecca Taylor (New York)
First Quadrant Philippines Inc.

EFFICIENT AND UNIQUE MARKETING PLAN / STRATEGY

FQPI, introduces a unique, transparent and an incomparable marketing strategies among any other relational marketing group, it is committed in helping people achieve financial freedom without any hidden schemes and procedures for an individual to start earning. There are some things to remember:

· NO SALES QUOTA or SALES MAINTENANCE required to avail all company privileges. (discounts, rebates, bonuses, earnings…etc)
· NO RANKING or LEVERAGING - All BA’s are given EQUAL and MAXIMUM DISCOUNTS.
· NO DEDUCTIONS on all Incentives, Discounts & all other company indicated bonuses/earnings.
· All benefits and privileges are LIFETIME availed. Bonuses and Earnings are definitely TAX-FREE.

FOUR (4) WAYS OF EARNING:

1. DIRECT SELLING
2. DIRECT SELLING REBATES
3. DIRECT REFERRAL BONUS
4. REFERRAL BONUS


1. Direct Selling – All Business Associate are given 50% DISCOUNT on all FQPI products.

Ex: Selling Price – 50% BA’s Discount = Net Profit per product sold
( P 1,000.00 ) – (P500.00 Discount) = P500.00 net profit BA’s received

2. Direct Selling Rebates – All Business Associates are given 5% LIFETIME Direct Selling
Rebates for all of his/her Direct Referral only.

3. Direct Referral Incentive - A Business Associate earns a Direct Referral Incentive of P1,000.00
“No need for a PAIR to start earning”, A Business Associate can earn as many Direct Referral that he/she can generate in his/her own network.


Earnings for Direct Referral:
Referral Incentive = Php 1,000 +
Direct Selling Rebates = 5%


4. REFERRAL BONUS – Aside from the earnings at Referral Incentive, The Business Associate receives a straight REFERRAL BONUS of P 1,500, everytime Group A is paired with Group B.
For every pair, regardless whether he/she is a Direct or Indirect Referral, the BA’s automatically receives a Bonus until INFINITY, for as long as Grp. A matches with Grp. B in the main network.

[dirklance]

thanks for the information.

by the way, when will they hold again another seminar?


:cool:

[diugun_oirasor]

malapit lang ito sa office namin e. Sa Centerpoint, Ortigas Center kayo di ba? Wala bang website ito para matingnan ko siya?

[Tharaki]

Meron pero di pa ata tapos: http://heretiknetwork.com/firstquadrant

[livid]

Originally posted by dirklance
thanks for the information.

by the way, when will they hold again another seminar?

Hindi ko pa sure what day and time, pero every week meron. If you want, just text me thru 0916-5950165 then I'll inform you. I could meet you and bring you to the seminar.

Yes sa Centerpoint 'yung extension office. Main office sa Taipan.

[XRan]

Anyone interested in this wonderful opportunity.. kindly PM me or better yet, contact me thru cell (917) 384-0968 :)


Thanks!

:cool: X-Ran I :cool:

[keekhoman]

is it true na kasali na din ang Florsheim sa mga products ng FQPI?

and is it true na by december, may cellphones na din na kasama?

sinabi kasi sa akin nung nagre-recruit sa akin.

[President]

corny naman ng name. ginaya pa kay RK? 1st quadrant is an employee quadrant di ba?:)

[movie_junkie]

parents ko member nito. ewan ko ba bakit bilib na bilib sila sa mga ganyang schemes. ayun, kinukulit ba naman ako na magrecruit daw ako sa mga friends ko. hello, 8,+++ san naman ako maghahanap ng friends na willing mag-shell out nang ganung amount. :o

[gee_el]

hey guys! have u heard of first quadrant? it's a networking company that provides u great income. binary ang gamit nila. for evry pair u refer whether directly or indirectly referred , bsta from your group a nad group b, may P1,500 ka na and 4 every direct referral, may P1,000. ang fee ay P8880, that includes, P 2,000 worth of their products ( shoes, belts , bags, etc) . First quadrant supplies shoes of manels, celine, rustans, sm , etc.
for more info. just email me.
to view thier products just visit their website: www.firstquadrant.org
thanks!;)

[Ellheym]

it just happened that I dropped by somewhere at ortigas tapos habang nagpaxerox ako ang daming taong nagpapaphotocopy doon tapos cheque pa nila ha! so.. naging curious ako.. hanggang sa merong kumausap sa akin about the business at doon ko nalaman na last january pa pala nagstart ang business..actually..it's a networking.. binary system.... mukhang maganda nga.. pero about sa company parang hindi pa siya ganon ka stable.... kasi wala pa siyang 1 year.. hindi pa natin alam kung ano ang mangyayari sa investment mo. :) pero okies sya.. i'm not negative about the business.. iyon nga lang.. i've been and done that.. so feeling ko ngayon.. hwag muna.. hindi pa kasi ako recover eh. kumbaga masyado akong nasunog doon sa isa..... :)

[BadGiRL]

Yeah, it's at Centerpoint Building. It's todo making it a pain for us during collection days. The elevators are always full. And the ground floor is soooo crowded. And ang daming excited. 3 pm pa ata ang mga sessions nila, 1pm andoon na. Sigh. The guards became extra strict pa.

I wish the management of the building was more selective as to whom they allowed to rent/lease/buy the space. Wag naman sana doon sa ground floor at nagiging traffic yung area na yun. Nawawala yung corporate air tuloy. Sana lang kahit sa upper floors or better yet, a venue with bigger space. Tsk tsk tsk. Parang marketplace na.

Grabe, ganon na talaga ata kasama ang business sa pinas at pati shoes at bags e ginagagamit sa MLM. I even know this girl who is doing some sort of a First Quadrant, pero underwear naman ang binebenta nila.

Hay....

[kenobi]

NETWORKING: BUILD OR BAN THE BINARIES?
By: Prof. Josiah Go

Note: The author is chairman of the Direct Selling Association of the Philippines and is the first professorial lecturer on network marketing in the Philippines and in Asia. He is recipient of The Outstanding Young Men (TOYM) award in 2001 for business education.

read on...
http://www.dsap.ph/industry-networking.html

[danicalstix]

hmmm...another business is Grand Post International....

nauso lately networking a...hehehe :)

[kenobi]

source: Philstar.com (October 29)
DTI asked to investigate five companies for pyramiding
http://www.philstar.com/philstar/search_content.asp?article=98898

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has asked the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to investigate First Quadrant Inc. and four other companies for possible pyramiding activities in violation of the Consumer Act of the Phils.

An SEC official said the Commission, swamped with queries about the legality of the operations of First Quadrant, has referred the case to the DTI, which is the agency tasked to look into pyramiding schemes.

"We have referred several cases to the DTI. We have asked them to look into them because they appear to engage in pyramiding activities," the SEC official said.

A pyramid scheme is defined under the Consumer Act as a sales device or business scheme where participants invest in the right or chance to get compensation or gifts based on the introduction of more participants in the program.

The same SEC official said the Commission has been receiving lots of queries from various individuals about First Quadrant, a multi-level marketing firm that sells shoes and leather bags.

As of Oct. 11 this year, the SEC has received 33 queries on the legality of First Quadrant’s operations.

First Quadrant, which holds office at the Taipan Place in Emerald Ave., Ortigas, charges an initial investment fee of P8,880 per member. Investors get a percentage or commission from the sales of the products and through the sales of the people recruited as distributors.

The come-on is that the more downlines you recruit, the more commissions you are able to earn from the sales of those who come after you.

Pyramiding schemes normally require entry fees or compulsory purchases of a fixed quantity or products for the right to join the scheme.

The referral of the case to the DTI was in line with the SEC and DTI’s memorandum of understanding which laid down their respective areas in the investigation of pyramiding and multi-level network marketing schemes.

Based on the MOA, both agencies have agreed to make referrals and findings to each other on cases that are beyond their jurisdiction.

The DTI has agreed to forward to the SEC all MLM cases that violate securities and investment regulations. MLM contracts that involve a monetary investment in a common enterprise with promises of high profits from the efforts of other agents fall under the jurisdiction of the SEC.

SEC, on the other hand, has agreed to pass on MLM schemes that might constitute pyramiding.

The DTI vowed earlier to clamp down on unscrupulous groups and individuals using pyramiding schemes to sell consumer products. It intends to widen the coverage of illegal pyramiding activities to include multi-level marketing schemes that peddle worthless products to conceal their Ponzi schemes.

While multi-level marketing is a legitimate marketing took, it becomes illegal when the products peddled have no value and were obviously used as a ploy to defraud consumers.– Zinnia dela Peña

[Tharaki]

Originally posted by BadGiRL
Yeah, it's at Centerpoint Building. It's todo making it a pain for us during collection days. The elevators are always full. And the ground floor is soooo crowded. And ang daming excited. 3 pm pa ata ang mga sessions nila, 1pm andoon na. Sigh. The guards became extra strict pa.

I wish the management of the building was more selective as to whom they allowed to rent/lease/buy the space. Wag naman sana doon sa ground floor at nagiging traffic yung area na yun. Nawawala yung corporate air tuloy. Sana lang kahit sa upper floors or better yet, a venue with bigger space. Tsk tsk tsk. Parang marketplace na.

Grabe, ganon na talaga ata kasama ang business sa pinas at pati shoes at bags e ginagagamit sa MLM. I even know this girl who is doing some sort of a First Quadrant, pero underwear naman ang binebenta nila.

Hay....

:D kala ko ako lang ang naiinis sa dami ng tao. pero pansin ko ngayon, di na sila singdami nun.

[Krakista]

Just got a tip that former congressman and now Housing Secretary Michael Defensor is behind First Quadrant. He is raising money not to finance his gimmicks at Padi's Point Timog :glee:, but his senatorial ambitions for 2004. :hmm:

[thehitman]

Originally posted by Krakista
Just got a tip that former congressman and now Housing Secretary Michael Defensor is behind First Quadrant. He is raising money not to finance his gimmicks at Padi's Point Timog :glee:, but his senatorial ambitions for 2004. :hmm:

While I cannot confirm nor deny this, his name is being used by First Quadrant to promote their business. They say that First Quadrant is owned by Defensor and a couple who are supposed to be Marikina shoe manufacturing owners.

:cool:

[jisc]

Originally posted by thehitman


While I cannot confirm nor deny this, his name is being used by First Quadrant to promote their business. They say that First Quadrant is owned by Defensor and a couple who are supposed to be Marikina shoe manufacturing owners.

:cool:

I think one of the owner is Mike Defensors wife, pero sabi nila eh kay mike defensor din yun dahil hindi pwedeng si mike ang humawak at dahil politiko sya

[saywhat]

I wonder how Mike Defensor is related to 1st Quadrant's Managing Director/Corporate Secretary Julie Rose Tactacan-Defensor... The wife, maybe?

[KuyaDanny]

Click here for the answer (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/9433/bios.htm) to saywhat's question.

[francis87]

anong networking company kaya iyong sinalihan ni Ellheym kung saan nasunog siya?:(

[BadGiRL]

Originally posted by Tharaki


:D kala ko ako lang ang naiinis sa dami ng tao. pero pansin ko ngayon, di na sila singdami nun.

Yeah....siguro naubos na yung puwede nila irecruit.... hehehehe..e naman, binebenta naman ang rosanna pena sa cinderalla no....

[livid]

Originally posted by BadGiRL

..e naman, binebenta naman ang rosanna pena sa cinderalla no....

1st Quadrant sells Rosanna Peña (& other products) at 50% discount to its members.

[jisc]

Originally posted by BadGiRL


Yeah....siguro naubos na yung puwede nila irecruit.... hehehehe..e naman, binebenta naman ang rosanna pena sa cinderalla no....

try to compare the price of their shoes, undiscounted price nila eh around 2k+, halos doble ng mall price, kaya yung 50% eh halos pareho lang ng mall price

[tRiStAn]

My only take is that you see the business plan first and weigh everything before you make a decision. For my part, I could have made a big mistake by not joining FQ. :)

[SoLvent Boy]

Beware of FQ, don't you know that binary system is also known as pyramiding . It is called the Ponzi Scheme where people are asked to invest money and recruit people to earn income, its obvious!

Don't join FQ.

Its not that I'm bad mouthing this company but according to what I have read on the investigation of the SEC, the FQ system is also similar with G - Cosmos,Powerhomes, Multitel, Prosperity.com etc, if you love your dreams and your family avoid these companies.

[tadeus]

Moral of the story.

Don't believe MLM.

[SoLvent Boy]

Not all MLM are illegal. Before joining an MLM consider the background of the company and their marketing plan and their products.

[marcelo]

;) Hey guys, just want to inform you that FIRST QUADRANT with BINARY SYSTEM is simply a PYRAMIDING SCHEME... and basically pyramiding is illegal form of business here and most of other countries.. to give you an idea try to read back your philippine daily inquirer december 9 issue page b7...

its a get rich quick scam.... and getting rich is hard...... there's no such things as getting rich easily, just pay 8880 and the rest is history. and guys your market has a lot of competitors tapos pupwesto p kayo sa greenhills.... stupidity e ang daming bargain sa sapatos don at well known sa mga tao..... ay sabagay hindi naman pala kayo base sa commission ang kitaan kundi sa registration... think! think! think! guys.... you'll give 8880 and you'll receive 2000 worth of products... hahahaha!!!! where did my extra money go????? e syempre sa mga nagrecruit sayo?

in networking you must earn thru commissions and product movements para fair ang business... kaya nga negosyo dahil may produkto at may nabebenta at may sales at syempre may kita dahil may commission ka.... that is legal business... hindi katulad nyo kumikita kayo sa iniinvest ng ibang tao... e paano kung walang naginvest dat week e di wala kayong kita... e ano ang gagawin nyo? dapat ang product nyo unique para sa inyo lang kukuha yung mga tao at malaki ang sales nyo e ang kaso tumabi pa kayo sa greenhills e ang daming sapatos doooooooon hahahah!!!! sabagay, ang kulit ko talga hindi nga pala kaya base sa sales.....

if you have questions to ask about networking text me at 09192209986.;)

[Zeratul]

FQ is a PYRAMID SCHEME! It is used by Mike Defensor to boost his aspirations for a senatorial bid in the 2004 elections.

FOREVEL DYING / TEMPORARY LIVING is for MORONS who haven't heard of MARKET SATURATION by EXPONENTIAL EXPANSION since 1978.

:p :p

[SoLvent Boy]

Asus humirit na naman ang ayaw patalo na AKNY kid.
akala nung isang moron dyan ok na sya,well ganyan talaga pinoy kumita lang ng 10 pirasong ginto astang milyonaryo na,mapapahiran at mapapahiran din yung isa dyan ng aloe vera.Di nya alam kng gaano kalaking T@nga sya.Feeling nung isa dyan yung company nya stable na,wawa naman yung isa dyan pintas ng pintas sa higante eh yung kita nya wala namang binatbat dahil ang income nung isa dyan singlaki ng muta ng ipis. Ang hilig pa magdunung dunungan ,sana marinig nung isa dyan ang kuwento ng bamboo at ng narra, para ma-alog naman yung utak nung isa dyan(kung may utak pa sya),buti pa painumin muna ng aloe vera yung isa dyan kasi nahanginan yata.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:bounce2: :bounce2:

Batu batu sa langit mapahiran ng aloe vera wag magagalit,
Ang takot mapahiran ng aloe vera ibigsabihin ayaw matanggal ang libag sa katawan. :glee: :glee:

Sabi nga ng manager upline sa mga kagaya ni Mr. know it all kuno:
Piso para sa mga NEGATIVE.

maligayang pasko sa lahat.

[Zeratul]

Tadeus, humirit naman si Mr. SoLventBoy at yung mga AGO-GO-RAH-RAH FLP pipol na DUGYOT, MANGMANG, GUNGGONG, UHUGIN, at LIBAGIN! Lintik yung mga MLMers na yan!

I know it all - ALL THE DARK SIDE OF GREEDY FLP RECRUITERS!!!

They say that FLP MLM is a HELPING others business.

Actually FLP is a USING OTHERS business.

You HELP other people by suckering - ay mali - recruiting them pala to FLP "business meetings" where they hear nothing but baloney, brouhaha and AGO-GO-RAH-RAH-RAH CRAP about FLP, Jun Kintanar & his Ferrari, and other MATERIALISTIC DOCTRINES, urging you to quit your "enslavement" - or "employment" no matter how happy you are in your present job.

You HELP other people by teaching them and giving them improvised methods on how to keep their excitement levels high, how to lure them to a state of transient euphoria about unrealistic promises of wealth, how to do the same thing to "build their network of success" by DUPING others into the same ritual orgy of recruiting LOWLIFE con artist MLMers.

You HELP other people by spreading the gospel that EMPLOYMENT = ENSLAVEMENT, that GREED = GOOD, that FLP = MEGABUCKS. You teach others to replicate the success of FILTHY MATERIALISTIC UPLINES to create more and more intermediaries to SIPHON LARGER & FATTER RECRUITMENT COMMISSIONS from your family and friends.

Yung ayaw mamulat sa katotohanan ay namimihasa at PUPULUTIN sa KANGKUNGAN.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL YOU FILTHY FOREVIL DYING PRODUCTS A$$HOLES!!!

[KuyaDanny]

Mungkahi:

Para sa karagdagang kaalaman ng nakararami, pangangatwiran, hindi pang-aalipusta, ang inyong gamitin.

[dekster]

Can anyone here tell me about this MLM?

I have no faith in MLM's but since my mom's been bugging me about this, I thought I'd investigate it more to prove a point...

All I know is that there's an entrance fee of 9,000 and the comp's main product are shoes supposedly and I just feel there's something fishy about this...

ANyway... hope someone could enlighten me...

[starwish]

i became a member last year, aug02.. and until this time, ndi ko pa nakukuha *** 2T worth na shoes ko... ang haba kse super ng pila! grabe, i still have other things to do, tas pipila ka don ng katagal-tagal! the membership is 8,888... tas may kit ka, and the 2T na goods... hmmm, for me, ndi sya nag-work..kse a friend who invited me there told me na magtutulungan nga to get ppl under me, pero un, until ngayon, and lapit na rin mag-expire ng membership ko (1yr), ndi ko pa nakukuha,, sana lang one of these days i can find time, kse sana kahit un man lang eh mabawi ko...
my advise: its up to u if magaling ka maka-convince ng tao.. me, ndi ako makapag-invite kse, parang kaya ko sila invite kse para kumita ko or mabalik lang sa kin *** capital ko.. actually, medyo nakalimutan ko na how the system works pero, basically, ganon lang un, babawiin mo sa next na magiging member *** na-invest mo... sayang rin, kse ndi ko pa nagagamit **** *** discount card man lang.. but anyway, lesson na rin to for me... i joined kse ok **** *** goods, shoes and bags sya, parang dali lang ibenta, pero, ang pila, grabe, i cant stand it.. ndi ko pa lam *** sa new office nila sa greenhills if ok na, pero, *** dati sa emerald ave, grabe, umuwi na lang *** ng sis ko, kse, ang init init tas dami dami pang tao...

[thehitman]

Related thread, since you mentioned MLM:

Multilevel Marketing Pyramids - Sales or Scam (http://207.44.234.62/~admin1/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124732)

Very informative threads. I suggest you browse through them completely before making a decision. P8,888 is no joke.

:cool:

[dekster]

Thanks guys! I was pretty much expecting those answers already.

I guess as a rule, any MLM that does not focus on its "products" is most likely a scam.

[Strange_Dejavu]

we just had a seminar with the DSAP (direct selling association of the Philippines) where the undersecretary of the DTI, Hon. Adrian Cristobal gave a talk about illegal pyramids such as FQ.

Josiah Go, TOYM recepient and chairman of the DSAP and CEO of Waters philippines, an MLM company, has also presented a case study in pyramid sales schemes using First Quadrant as an example.

USEC Adrian Cristobal himself has made it known that FQ is already under very close scrutiny with the DTI, and has also been given a letter to report to the DTI and justify their marketing plan.

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Here is a copy of the DAO no.8, an administrative order banning pyramid schemes.

DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER NO. _8___
Series of 2002

SUBJECT: Rules and Regulations Implementing Article 53 of the Consumer Act of the Philippines (R.A. 7394) in Relation to Section 8 Rule II, Chapter I, Title III of Department Administrative Order No. 2, Series of 1993 Prohibiting Chain Distribution Plans or Pyramid Sales Schemes in the Sale of Consumer Products.


WHEREAS, Republic Act No. 7394 otherwise known as Consumer Act of the Philippines states that it is the policy of the State to protect the interests of the consumer, promote his general welfare and to establish standards of conduct for business and industry;

WHEREAS, the Act provides that the State shall implement measures to achieve the objective of protecting consumers against deceptive, unfair sales and unconscionable sales acts and practices;

WHEREAS, the Act further provides that chain distribution plans or pyramid sales schemes shall not be employed in the sale of consumer products;

WHEREAS, the DTI has received numerous complaints and queries regarding sale of products using pyramid sales scheme and such sales scheme have been used in the guise of legitimate multi level marketing, thus depriving consumers of their savings and hard-earned money;

WHEREAS, it becomes imperative to define the instances constituting chain distribution or pyramid sales scheme practices to prevent the public from being victimized;

WHEREAS, the Act provides the procedures under which a consumer, a natural person, may file his complaint;

WHEREAS, Executive Order No. 913 as amended by Ministry Order No. 69 strengthens the rule-making and adjudicatory powers of the Minister (Secretary) of DTI by providing the procedures under which juridical person and DTI initiated complaint may be availed of;

NOW, THEREFORE, the following rules and regulations are hereby prescribed for the information, guidance and compliance of all concerned:

Section 1. Scope

This Order shall apply to any person, natural or juridical, who shall establish, operate, advertise or promote a chain distribution plan or pyramid sales scheme as defined under the Consumer Act and reiterated in Section 2.1 of the Order.

Section 2. Definition of Terms

2.1 "Chain Distribution Plans or Pyramid Sales Scheme" means sales devices whereby a person, upon condition that he makes an investment, is granted by the manufacturer or his representative a right to recruit for profit one or more additional persons who will also be granted such right to recruit upon condition of making similar investments: Provided, That, the profits of the person employing such a plan are derived primarily from the recruitment of other persons into the plan rather than from the sale of consumer products, services and credit: Provided further, That limitation on the number of participants does not change the nature of the plan.

2.2 Other Forms of Chain Distribution Plan/Pyramid Sales Scheme. - Without limiting the coverage of the term "chain distribution plan or pyramid sales scheme" above, business, sales or marketing plan or scheme is considered as Chain Distribution Plan or Pyramid Sales Scheme if:

a) A promoter persuades recruits to purchase products, services, credit, title or rank whereby the recruits can receive income primarily from the mere introduction, recruitment or sponsorship of other participants into the scheme rather than from the marketing and sale of products; or

b) Where the profits of the person employing such are derived primarily from the recruitment of the other persons into the plan or scheme rather than from the sale of consumer products, services and credit and said plan/scheme includes, but not limited to, one or more of the following attributes:


b.1. revenues or income are derived from participants' entry fees;

b.2. in order to earn income, participants must sponsor a FIXED number of other participants, each of whom must in turn sponsor a fixed number of participants as in a plan compensating participants BALANCING number of recruits than number of sales volumes;

b.3. a participant's income is dependent primarily upon the participant's slot or position within the organization as determined by the time, date and order of participation;

b.4. participants are not allowed to return marketable and unused products for refund within a reasonable period of time or the conditions for such product return are contrary to the provisions of the Consumer Act and/or its Implementing Rules and Regulation (DAO No. 2, s. of 1993).

b.5. there is no fair market value for the goods received (Fair market value is a price determined an open market system. An indicator would be that consumers would still be willing to buy a product at its quoted price even without participating in the compensation plan).

huwag na sana tayo mag bulag bulagan mga FQ members. Malinaw pa sa sikat ng araw yan, walang biased opinion, only facts. makikipag talo kayo sa DTI? sira pala kayo eh :D

I think FQ will still survive for maybe a year before finally being closed down. let's all be aware of such scams.

[razzp]

Originally posted by SoLvent Boy
Beware of FQ, don't you know that binary system is also known as pyramiding . It is called the Ponzi Scheme where people are asked to invest money and recruit people to earn income, its obvious!

Don't join FQ.

Its not that I'm bad mouthing this company but according to what I have read on the investigation of the SEC, the FQ system is also similar with G - Cosmos,Powerhomes, Multitel, Prosperity.com etc, if you love your dreams and your family avoid these companies.

100% correct. I just cant believe that these type of companies bring bad name to legitimate MLM. When it's binary, it's illegal! That's dogma...

Yeah you have products, but you don't earn through those. You earn through recruitment.

[fraizerph]

iv red ol ur post bout d First Quadrant and i found out dat most of u r against!!!

:( u know, u take away d opportunity to change ur life. This is the d easy way to get ur goals.

BTW, y those ppl r against of FQ???
1. dey never bin der!!!
2. dey never heard wats d projection of the company.
3. dey never attend d seminar to know d business plan!!!
4. dey always entertain those ppl na mga chismosa, naniniwala sa mga chismis!!! (You know, i dont entertain this ppl 2)

***

I want to let u knw dat, determination wid urself makes a path towards a better life!!! M jst 20 yrs ol, fresh grad student. M newly member of FQ since may 5, 2003. which means d pa ako tumatagal sa FQ but i can say dat m successful member of FQ.
y m i successful hir???
1. m n d ryt group kc, i hav der support wen d tym i nid dem.
2. i hav determination
3. i can say dat m a leader!!!
4. i work hard
5. make urself happy sa lahat ng mga ginagawa mo, like n JOB.
6. tnk of it na dis s jst ur sidelyn... but d s wer u cn get 90% of my ur income!!!:eek:

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2 ol those ppl na tingin pa rin sa FQ s scam!!! Y do we hav a 10% income tax deduction??? Y do we hav dat TAX???.... open ur mind ppl!!! this is d opportunity!!!.... f dis s not enaf, read d recent article n newspaper!!! or call SEC and DTI to let u knw dat, FQ s not pyramiding or scam!!!.... f dis s still not enaf.... get lost ppl.... Ur not a business minded but y we nid to work and save money??? coz its d way of life!!!

***

F u hav comments, suggestions, questions jst post hir, and il answer it!!! dont hesitate to post it ol!!!:p

[fraizerph]

Yeah you have products, but you don't earn through those. You earn through recruitment.

This s not a recruitment agency BTW. wer jst givng ader ppl an oportunity. wer not obligatng ppl to to join. To ol those hu dont knw d business plan of first quadrant. U may attend d seminar para maniwanagan kyo.

To ol ppl na member na last dec and later pa!!! we hav our own building located near n grinhils. malaki na po yon!!! try to visit it. marami na rin pong products!!!

[HoRnY4NiE]

Originally posted by fraizerph
This s not a recruitment agency BTW. wer jst givng ader ppl an oportunity. wer not obligatng ppl to to join. To ol those hu dont knw d business plan of first quadrant. U may attend d seminar para maniwanagan kyo.

To ol ppl na member na last dec and later pa!!! we hav our own building located near n grinhils. malaki na po yon!!! try to visit it. marami na rin pong products!!!


hehehe nandito ka na rin????kala ko ba ayaw mo magpex!!! yeah peepz learn from the expert hehehehe sumusweldo na yan ng 15 grand a month yun ang rinig ko...basta ako, ayaw ko! bakit? wala akong pera hihihihi

[fraizerph]

loko ka 4nie!!! i came hir to pex kc i jst want to post sam comments bout d FQ. hehehehe! la ***. i hav tym freedom na kc e, pro not always.

Pero *** isa dyan mayaman!!! namimigay na kc yan ng cellphone e. Take note, binigyan nya pa *** d nya kaano-ano. kaming mga kaibigan e, d na pinapansin. d na sumasama samin. gosh!!!

[fraizerph]

f u hav a fast answer for ur questions. u may txt me or col me 09174325992. pls liv ur name after it.

:o

[Strange_Dejavu]

Haay naku fraizerph...

ok. answer this quiz first to see if FQ is not a Pyramid Scheme.

1) If i become a member, do i HAVE to pay a membership fee?
2) If i join, will you earn from my membership fee?
3) Do i have to sponsor a FIXED number of participants?
4) Do i have to BALANCE or PAIR based on the number of recruits
rather than sales volume?
5) Does my income have no relationship to my SALES of products?
(hindi ko kailngan mag benta?)

if you answer YES to any of these questions, Pyramid scheme yan.

actually no doubt naman eh. you told us to ask the DTI? didnt you read my post?
The undersecretary of the DTI himself told us about how FQ is under investigation and will soon be asked to defend their illegal marketing plan to the DTI.

You said "This is the easy way to get your goals."
well kid, there IS NO EASY WAY to success. im sure you are still hyped up since you are still new... try to read MLM book, dont just listen to what your recruters tell you.

wag ka mag papa uto, try to do some research for ourself. yun lang, just read any MLM book. i wont even say anything, youll see for yourself.

NO, you DONT have time freedom yet. illusion na yan kiddo.

15K a week wont entitle you to financial freedom either.

good luck, sana mag isip isip ka. :D

[razzp]

Originally posted by marcelo
;) Hey guys, just want to inform you that FIRST QUADRANT with BINARY SYSTEM is simply a PYRAMIDING SCHEME... and basically pyramiding is illegal form of business here and most of other countries.. to give you an idea try to read back your philippine daily inquirer december 9 issue page b7...

its a get rich quick scam.... and getting rich is hard...... there's no such things as getting rich easily, just pay 8880 and the rest is history. and guys your market has a lot of competitors tapos pupwesto p kayo sa greenhills.... stupidity e ang daming bargain sa sapatos don at well known sa mga tao..... ay sabagay hindi naman pala kayo base sa commission ang kitaan kundi sa registration... think! think! think! guys.... you'll give 8880 and you'll receive 2000 worth of products... hahahaha!!!! where did my extra money go????? e syempre sa mga nagrecruit sayo?

in networking you must earn thru commissions and product movements para fair ang business... kaya nga negosyo dahil may produkto at may nabebenta at may sales at syempre may kita dahil may commission ka.... that is legal business... hindi katulad nyo kumikita kayo sa iniinvest ng ibang tao... e paano kung walang naginvest dat week e di wala kayong kita... e ano ang gagawin nyo? dapat ang product nyo unique para sa inyo lang kukuha yung mga tao at malaki ang sales nyo e ang kaso tumabi pa kayo sa greenhills e ang daming sapatos doooooooon hahahah!!!! sabagay, ang kulit ko talga hindi nga pala kaya base sa sales.....

if you have questions to ask about networking text me at 09192209986.;)

This is very true!

[razzp]

Originally posted by Zeratul
Tadeus, humirit naman si Mr. SoLventBoy at yung mga AGO-GO-RAH-RAH FLP pipol na DUGYOT, MANGMANG, GUNGGONG, UHUGIN, at LIBAGIN! Lintik yung mga MLMers na yan!

I know it all - ALL THE DARK SIDE OF GREEDY FLP RECRUITERS!!!

They say that FLP MLM is a HELPING others business.

Actually FLP is a USING OTHERS business.

You HELP other people by suckering - ay mali - recruiting them pala to FLP "business meetings" where they hear nothing but baloney, brouhaha and AGO-GO-RAH-RAH-RAH CRAP about FLP, Jun Kintanar & his Ferrari, and other MATERIALISTIC DOCTRINES, urging you to quit your "enslavement" - or "employment" no matter how happy you are in your present job.

You HELP other people by teaching them and giving them improvised methods on how to keep their excitement levels high, how to lure them to a state of transient euphoria about unrealistic promises of wealth, how to do the same thing to "build their network of success" by DUPING others into the same ritual orgy of recruiting LOWLIFE con artist MLMers.

You HELP other people by spreading the gospel that EMPLOYMENT = ENSLAVEMENT, that GREED = GOOD, that FLP = MEGABUCKS. You teach others to replicate the success of FILTHY MATERIALISTIC UPLINES to create more and more intermediaries to SIPHON LARGER & FATTER RECRUITMENT COMMISSIONS from your family and friends.

Yung ayaw mamulat sa katotohanan ay namimihasa at PUPULUTIN sa KANGKUNGAN.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL YOU FILTHY FOREVIL DYING PRODUCTS A$$HOLES!!!

Another crappy logic employed by someone who knows nothing about MLM. The business of FLP or any other MLM companies is to offer oportunity with less cost. That's why it's very applealing to people with less income. It's not the company's intention or mission to preach materialism.

Remember a MLM company is composed of distributors with different background. So people join the business with different aims in life. You can't blame someone if he's dismayed by the concept of employment. Or if he savor every moment with his expensive car. It's just a matter of choice. The point is you can achieve wathever in life wether it's material or not. Haven't you heard of financial security? Or good health? Or philantrophy? In the future I want to share my money to any good institution out there. So who's talking about greed?

FLP is a business so its the prerogative of the distributors to show the strengths of business against employment. Which is based on sound arguments. Ask any businessman and he knows the answer. FLP is not preaching against employment. Most of its distributors are employed or self-employed. They love their job. But they do FLP to have stable source of income. If you're a businessman why stay on employment?


Saturation? Far from it. You talk as if you know something. Show us statistics to support your claims. The number of distributors against the whole population or even the poplulation of 18 and older. This is not a pyramid where you live solely on recruitment. Pyramid is a bubble business wherein it grows and then burst. FLP is a MLM company. Even if recruitmet stops, the business continues. Each distributor can live on its own. You haven't even tried the toothpaste or the suplements of FLP. So why say the market is saturated. Colgate and Palmolive is still here but the market is satutated? Or Coca-Cola? Each day a new business is established ignoring the tight competition.

Happiness, possitivity, excitement are the best ingredients to live a meaningful life. So its hard to understand that you find it problematic that distributors engage in these so called orgies. I bet you drink alcohol. Which is better, an orgy of self-destruction or the the other one which is full of hope and optimism? In your argument there is full of hate and anger. Which are not good for all of us. Spare us with your flawed and pessimistic doctrine. That's why the Philippines remains a poor country. The company engange in the spirit of cooperation. How can you say that it's duping. Unrealistic promises of wealth? It's unrealistic when nobody ever achieved it. Flying to the moon is unrealistic? MLM is just a mundane task compared to that extraordinary feat. Peace.

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FLP people: I hope I gave justice to you.;) I think Zeratul is a loser who blames everything for his misery.

[razzp]

BUMP

[razzp]

RP's MOST OUTSTANDING NATURAL HEALTH COMPANY
Philippine Star

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Forever Living Philippines was recently adjudged as the BEST HEALTH PRODUCT COMPANY throughout the country by the prestigious CONSUMERS UNION OF THE PHILIPPINES. Forever Living Philippines was also cited as the most outstanding MLM company in the Philippines. Shown in photo is FLP Managing director Natty Golez while receiving the trophy representing most coveted award from CUP President quirino Marquinez during the 14th Annual national consumers' Awards sponsored by the CUP. FLP is one of the country's top 500 corporations while FLP International operates in more than 90 countries worldwide and is acknowledged as the top health product seller in Japan and Germany. vthe Consumers Union of the Philippines has been in existence for 40 years and is regarded as the country's top consumer protection association. Other awardees include top brands in the world like samsung, honda, PAL, Suzuki, Globe, Philippine Plaza, and other companies that have excelled in their respective fields.


CUP as the consumers watchdog of the country wont give such an award to swindlers. Won't they Zeratul?

Join companies with good reputation.

[dragueur]

my friend just explained to me how FQ works..and i find it convincing, who wouldn't want to earn money even tho ur not doing anything... but of course, there are still doubts because i know there is NO such thing as "Get rich quick" without doing anything. it's too good to be true!! i have joined other MLM companies such as FLP and NuSkin. i just used "some" of their products. i don't really want to sell something that i'm not sure of as i don't see any obvious results while using them. also, they are not cheap.

well, i try to look for FQ here in PEX to research and read what ppl has to say b4 i join. well, i dont think i would join anymore :D even though they say u get 50% discounts to their products....well, my reason is that, their products must be overpriced. like any stores who displays a big banner that they are ON SALE up to 70% off....who r they kidding. and i wonder how much are they selling their shoes?? no price indicated at their website. my friend even mention Golds gym and spas are included, well...i don't go to those kind of places so i dont think it'll be useful. i have gentxt and i havent even used it. he even told me that i don't have to do anything if i don't want to, he'll take care of everything, he can put some of his recruits under me, etc., masarap pakinggan!! who wouldn't want that eh?! but, nah! it's too good to be true!

well, to those who are in MLM companies who are earning heaps of money, all i can say is GOOD FOR YOU!! but do u have to brag abt it everytime?!

[8_OTCHO]

talaga? ILLEGAL ang FQ? my sister's friend invited me there last week pero ndi pa ako nag-yes sa kanya kc wala pa akong 8k.. hehe.. i guess i have to think about it more pa...

ayoko kc mag-shell out ng 8k for that.. i was in flp before and same with some people, i didn't get back what i invested... 12k isn't a joke..

[Strange_Dejavu]

8_otcho, you got what you paid for the instant you bought your combo pak. The products you bought for 12K is worth 20K at
retail price. you got even more than what you paid for.

why dont you sell it? maybe you dont want to?:D

why didnt you just retail your 2CC?

why dont you return your products and get your money back? (there is a 30-day FULL MONEY- BACK GUARANTEE.)

if you pay 8,880 in FQ, you will get a "gift certificate" worth 2K for FQ products. what about your 6,880?

where do you think they get the 1,000 they pay the guy who recruited you? where do you think they get the 1,500 they pay the guy who can "PAIR" from your "investment"?

in FQ, if you wanna "get back" what you invested, you have to RECRUIT others. try selling your 2K worth of products, and see if youll get back your 8,880.

who would want to join a company under investigation by the DTI and SEC? a lot of people join those thing simply because a lot of people are ignorant about such thing too.

just buy your shoes, bags, and belts directly from marikina, youll get it A LOT CHEAPER than getting it from FQ.

[OliverWood21]

Up Up Up..

Just attended their seminar last night and I plan of joining them just for the sake of learning how to sell.. Kaya lang I have noticed that they already have a lot of members, amounting to more 165thousand. Parang malapit na ang market saturation nito. But on the positive side, I think they are OK, kasi they also focus on their products (which is a lot) and not only on recruitment.

:rolleyes:

Please advice. Thanks. ;)

[phomella]

Ingat because they might give you nga checks wala namang pondo!!! I heard of this story from my friend who was able to recruit 16 pairs. suggestion ko wag kayo magtiwala sa MLM.
read this enlightening analysis,

http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

[fraizerph]

tnx for advice phomella. ok yung mga ganyan na advises f u tnkng to join any MLM. Pro n First Quadrant, it wont happen *** snabi ni phomella. First Quadrant s tied up wid IBank. Once u get ur incentives, naka IBank cheque po yon. Ryt away pwede nyo po ma in-cash *** cheque nyo.

kaya dont listen sa mga kwento kwento, marami mga kwentong barbero dyan. First Quadrant s nt d only 1 MLM hir. kaya d malayo madamay *** First Quadrant. kaya make a move or try ur own investigation like calling SEC and ask kung registered *** company f it is legal or nt....

so, gudluck to ol.

[fraizerph]

dats a normal to hav those kind of issues. First Quadrant (FQ) s ny d only MLM, kaya syempre merong compitency. and spcly *** nagiging kilala and ndemand sa ndustry. so, nothing to wory, FQ s paying taxes. every business associate s paying a 10% witholding tax.

[sh888]

fraizerph:

gaano na ba kalaki kinikita mo diyan sa first quadrant? kamusta ba ang mga downline mo? kumikita ba sila? o ang kita mo galing lang sa JOINING FEE galing sa kanila?

and if you really do believe their products, why don't u try to contact the supplier direct and get a larger profit margin? Mas malaki pa ang tubo mo dahil siguradong mas mababa pa ang presyo from FQ

If you do believe in FQ, recruit mo kami lahat, ikaw sumagot ng joining fee namin, ano call ka ba?

I can't wait till the end of the next elections. Siguro kaya lang buhay pa ang FQ dahil malakas lang talaga sa gobyerno. Pag dating ng bagong administration at di pa rin tumutumba 'to, talagang malakas 'to

[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by sh888

and if you really do believe their products, why don't u try to contact the supplier direct and get a larger profit margin? Mas malaki pa ang tubo mo dahil siguradong mas mababa pa ang presyo from FQ


In my case, I won't be able to afford to raise the capital money to directly contact the supplier and get my products from them. ALthough I am still pondering the pros and cons of this MLM, I am keeping my options open. ;) I still haven't signed up yet though, mejo malaking pera yung 8,880 e. :(

And for those FQ peeps, in your case, gano katagal nyo nabawi yung 8880 na sign up fee nyo? Did you sell? or did you just recruit?

[fraizerph]

sh888:

hirs my answers to ol ur questions... m earning at average of 16k a wik. not bad ryt for an extra income. as i told dat m jst started since may ***. pro d naman kaagad 16k *** income ko, syempre from d start, m jst building my foundation. 1st wik, ive got 6k den, 2.5k, den 3.5k, den nothing or i dont hav a cheque at ol. pro i stil continue to work. kaya ngayon, its almost stable na *** networking side ko. maliit pa nga *** income ko f u wil compared to aders. pro wala ako pakialam sa ibang ngeearng na mas malaki sakin. dey jst my inspiration ***. bt m focusing to my downlines and my ader grp members. and sa mga downline ko, not ol of dem are earning alot. some are dey jst join den d na ng work.

den selling s nt included n my cheque every wik. sometimes, i got 3k profit a day n selling. it depends sa market ko. den, m also using der product kaya pati ako nakikinabang.

Hir kc s like helping wid each ader. pro dapat tulungan mo din sarili mo. wer hir to giv u opportunit den build u a stronger 1.

wala namang rule na u hav to do this or that. we hav 4ways to earn den, watever u can do, do it, kc walang mgbabawal syo. kc once u bcome a business associate, it designates na may sarili kang business. pwede mo gawin maski ano don sa 4ways na yon. pro beyond dat, syempre business policies na.

btw, nabalik *** capital ko jst n 2 wiks ***. bt f u wud tnk, 1 wik nga *** e. ive earnd 6k + 2k product package den benefits ryt!!!

so, gudluck!!!

[fraizerph]

follow up ko nga pala. *** iba ng fi-finance kami sa mga tao **** sumali na kulang *** pera. pro think of dis, wer present u d company, we gav u ooportunity, den kami pa po ba mgbabayad *** sa inyo...

we are d grp na giving opportunity as wel as wer concern wid aders na may goal.

f u attend d seminar regarding d joining fee. may makukuha *** direct ng 1k ryt. wer giving it back to d person kung sno man sumali saamin. wer nt after sa pera ng marerecruit namin. we want s to help u.

so, gudluck! btw, marami na din ako downlines. kaya sa mga madidrect ko, tulong ko na yon sa nga downline ko. dats cold spil over. tulong na sa downline ko yon. ntyendes!!! hehehe!

so, gudluck!!!

[austeriro_bhong]

Excuse me....Kung ikaw kumikita ng more than 10k / day iiwasan mo ba tong FQ. Kesa naman magkanda kuba kuba ka na sa pagiging employee eh hindi mo makukuha sa isang araw yung ganitong kinikita ko... Oo nga 8880 ay malaki pero kung wise ka lang mas maiisip mo na kesa ibili mo ng cell phone eh invest mo na lang. Cell phone mgagamit mo lang matagal na siguro yung isang taon at take note ha yung 8k ba magandang cellphone na kaya ang kapalit samantalang pag nag join ka ng FQ hindi lang magarang cell ang mabibili mo pati kotse at bahay...

text me at 09165005367

[fraizerph]

nice 1 austeriro!!! meron a pala wise ** sa pex. nway, how old r u n FQ??? may i knw hows ur icon der? baka parehas tyo ng group. m nt dat active n FQ unlike b4 na everyday ako der. pro now, 3 or 4 tyms nalang ako a wik pumupunta bt m still earning arnd 40k a month.

Nice auteriro, kip up d good work.!!! wish u ol d best

[tadeus]

WOW! Basta't me nakalagay na "Text me", "PM me", etc. , recruitment na yan.

MLMers talaga!

[Chase_Meridian]

Ive been hearing about First Quadrant on Morning Girls with Kris and Korina. I think some of their clothes are sponsored by FQ. I even thought FQ was a botique or something when I first heard Korina thank them for her shirt.

[austeriro_bhong]

Andami nyong sinasabing negative towards FQ. Eh ano bang mga estado nyo sa buhay? Makati workers na ang take home pay ay kakatiting... Andami nyong sinasabi samantalang hindi nyo alam na para kayo yung orange na piniga ng amo nyo at nilagay sa baso para inumin nya. Kayo na mga gumigising ng alas-singko ng umaga para makipag habulan sa pampasaherong sasakyan o bus at para wag ma-late sa opisina na magtatatrabaho ng 8 oras at makakauwi sa bahay ng gabi na at matutulog na naman at kinabukasan ganun na naman ang gagawin makikipaghabulan na naman sa mga sasakyan. Haaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy buhay kakasawa.

Ano na bang napundar nyo sa mga sweldo nyo??? Ako heto 2 kotse at nakapagtayo ng rin ng sariling business dahil nag FIRST QUADRANT AKO.

[SpellbindMedia]

Hindi ko nabasa yung report ng DTI, SEC or DSAP regarding First Quadrant, pero having heard how they operate, hindi naman mahirap makita kung ang problema sa ganitong klase ng "business."

Wala rin akong formal or working knowledge about MLMs in general, pero ganito ang dating sa akin bilang isang consumer:

Sa nakikita ko, 2 and reasons kung bakit kailangan ibenta ang product/s through MLMs. Una, masyadong mahal ang product dahil sa amount of money invested in developing the product (uses best raw materials, employs the best R&D team to conceptualize the product, etc.) and therefore hindi pwedeng retail method ang pagbenta because walang kakagat sa sobrang mahal na presyo. Pero effective yung product at alam ng manufacturers that there are people who will be willing to buy it. Pangalawa, dahil na rin sa pagbuhos ng pera (limited capital) sa pagdevelop ng product, walang pondo ang manufacturer to actually go out and market the product through traditional marketing methods like advertisements. So they use MLM to sell the product in a different way. The important points are these: 1. There is a legitimate manufacturer selling legitimate important or high-quality products that are either too expensive or are too market-specific to be sold to the general population and 2. MLMs is used as a business tool to sell the product.


Ang issues ko with FQ are these:

- Yung products na binebenta hindi naman market-specific or ganoon kamahal. For me, wala namang dahilan para magbenta ng leather goods or clothes or whatever FQ is selling through MLM dahil ang mga products na ito ay available in the general market. As a consumer, hindi ko pag-aaksayahan ng panahon sumali pa sa isang company para lang bumili ng mga goods to enjoy a 50% discount, hindi naman ako kadalas bumili ng clothes or shoes. One thing I know about buying stuff is this: I'd rather pay a high price for a product that is well known than buy something cheaper with substandard quality.

- Which leads me to my second point: based from experience, hindi naman ganoon ka-ganda ang quality ng goods ng FQ. My mom bought me a pair of black leather shoes from a neighbor who was selling FQ products (a good example of a person who chose to earn from selling rather than recruiting, so may truth ang sinasabi ng FQ na you have different ways to earn). Nahiya naman hindi bumili ang mom ko dahil inaanak nya yung nagbebenta. So bili. After ilang gamit ko lang (regular use, hindi pinang-basketball or whatever "abnormal" use for a pair of leather shoes) sira na. Kinausap ng mom ko yung nagbenta upang mag-complain; tinigil na pala nung "FQ seller" yung kanyang pagbenta kasi marami daw na rin pala ang lumapit sa kanya na nagrereklamo about the quality of the goods.

- Which leads me to the third issue: if FQ is saying that they are doing this to help the workers of Marikina shoe factories then they're doing it wrong. In fact, they're making consumers feel that Marikina shoes are of subpar quality. You don't try to "beat the competition" by marketing your products in a different way, you beat the competition by creating better products. Lumalabas na sa FQ nauna pa yung "marketing" of the product rather than developing it (which is, as I have stated above, one of the main driving forces of selling products through MLM).

- Hindi na dapat pag-usapan pa kung saan napupunta yung PhP8,888.00 na pinapasok sa FQ. Sinasabi naman nila na yung goods, insurance, selling kit, etc. ay more than enough pa to cover your initial investment, though di mo "nararamdaman" ito dahil ang "tangible" goods lang na nakukuha mo ay yung PhP2,000.00 worth of FQ goods.

- But this absence of tangible goods equivalent to your initial investment poses a problem: you will feel "duped. " Now, it would only ba natural for you to find ways to earn back that initial investment (and then some). You'd think of the best and fastest way to do this, and that is to invite/recruit, which already isn't good. There is already a play on the need of people for money, and therefore nawawala na yung focus sa product (which is again contrary as to why you market your products through MLM in the first place). Although you still have that option to sell, ilan ba lang talaga ang gumagawa nito sa FQ as compared to those earning through recruitment? Anong percentage ng FQ members and talagang nakikinabang? Nawawala yung focus doon sa products being sold, but on finding members who will sell. Napapisip ka tuloy, saan nanggagaling yung pera na pinambabayad sa iyo everytime you recruit someone? You can't help but think na nanggagaling ito sa pera na pinapasok ng mga bagong recruits. Although the products are still part of the equation, hindi na malaki ang impact nito sa whole business more than the way recruiting members does.

- Ayoko rin nung idea that FQ is marketing the idea of getting rich fast, na posible palang kumita ng malaking pera linggo-linggo. Yun nga, kesyo kailangan "magtulungan" kayo, na nakikiramay ang upline mo sa kapakanan mo. If I were in that position, I can't help but feel na kinukuhanan ko ng pera ang ibang tao. And this becomes and endless cycle. Meron pang mga ways to maximize earning, like mga anak mo or magulang mo pwede mong gawing immediate downlines mo para mas malaki ang kinukuha mo...

- Totoong naghihirap ang bansa, but I still believe that hard work pays. And it's more fullfiling. May halong morality issue na rin kasi eh, dahil ang dali pumasok ng pera di mo maiisip kung kanino kinukuha yung pera para lang maibigay yung paycheck mo for the week. It's true: money isn't everything. I'd rather go hungry than have two cars and a business while my conscience bothers me.

[fraizerph]

Spellbindmedia, ur reading d MLM n deferent perspective, bt i cnt blame u. Ppl hav der dif perspetive n life. we ol hav dif status n life. I cn only say and suggest to research and make a study of *** business s and how it envolve n d market (d cycle ur talkng bout).

Me kagagagrad ko *** and my cors was Computer Network Eng. Which i dont hav enaf idea *** d hell s MLM and how does dis tng do n market world. As my dad s a businessman even before d FQ, he had alot of ideas and knowledge wen it comes to business. So, he made realize how do business and how it work, kc sakin daw pamamana u business namin. Thru family interest i made alot of research and study on business side, sinama ko na din ang MLM coz medyo malaking nfluence sya sa market ngyon. (dat was my story)... den wev been an active member since May 2003 in FQ.

Thru research and study, MLM s really nfluencial business way n market world ngyon. alot of MLM came out. kaya alert and ga SEC, DTI,... to analize which of d MLM and nde sumusunod sa regulation.... btw, MLM as u hav sed, its anader way of selling goods. First of ol, pag new business, dey dont hav enaf money to advertise it thru TV, newspaper... etc... kaya ang mga tao na mismo ang mg introduce thru d word of mouth (1 1/2 years ago). but now *** na ang ng eendorse ng mga products and *** goods industry ang mga nasa FQ na binebenta??? tnk of it now.

regarding sa shoes na nabili, sory to tel u, nt ol business industry hu has a 100% quality on every product. dba sam of d product maski sa market may scraches and defect. meron pa din prob ang iba eventhough may quality control (it jst lessen), kaya dey giv waranty for d products ryt! sa FQ selling area, pwede mo ma try and look for d good one. maski nabili mo na sya, may waranty to change d product pag my prob.

regarding naman sa 2,000php product package, luma na yan! mukhang matagal ka nang napaniwanagan ha! ol members of FQ had 3,000php discount voucher (500 denomination discount cheque). ano pa masasabi mo. from 8,880 - 2,000 (product package), - 3,000 (voucher) = 3,880 nalang!!!! pano pa po *** insurance, discount card, kits,... blah blah.... nde d best of ol, BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY!!!

auteriro_bhong, m so happy for u and d rest of FQ members! we hav a great opportunity. coz wer enjoying our life as early as now! take note! 7months of hardwork, pro its d answer to our goals and dreams. *** d hell!!!

we cnt blame aders hu dont appreciate FQ. We ol knw dat we hav our own perspective n life. i cn only say s, SORRY!, uve mis d opportunity towards d better life, brighter future, Financially sustain!!!! enjoy life as early as now!!!

PS: ano na ba buhay nyo ngyon? hehehehe! no offense!!!................ so dont be left behind!!!!

[SpellbindMedia]

fraizerph:

What to you is a "better life and brighter future?" Yung marami kang pera? Yung malaki ang bahay at may Ford Expedition (which seems to be MLMers vehichle of choice)? Yung nakikita ng iba ang success mo? In other words, financial and materialistic ba ang measure mo a better life and a brighter future?

Tama ka when you say na iba-iba ang perspective ng tao. And for me, it is also to succeed, to live a (financially stable) life, and to be happy. Hipokrito ako kung sasabihin ko na ayokong yumaman. Pero gusto kong yumaman doing what I love, and that I see the fruits of my work and I get rewarded for the things I do.

Honestly (and this is just a personal opinion) I wouldn't want anybody who earns lots of money to feel sorry for me for missing out on a great "opportunity." Because I personally chose not to take advantage of that so-called "opportunity." I don't need anybody's sympathy for feeling proud of what I do. And I'm definitely sure hindi lahat ng tao ang habol sa buhay ay ang magpakayaman, at ang magpakayaman in such a quick way.

Kaya kong yumaman, and I'll do it the long-term, old fashion way: I'll earn it, which is what I'm doing now. I work as a freelance artist and I try to find ways for me to make myself more "marketable".

Besides, no one needs MLMs if they really want to succeed in life - I've seen people do it. I think kasalanan na ng tao iyon kung bakit sila hindi nagtatagumpay at kung bakit kailangan nila ng quick and easy way para "makahabol" sa iba na matagal nang nagtatrabaho at naabot ang kanilang mga gusto sa buhay.

Unfair ang society and unfair ang buhay, sa palagay ko wala namang madadaan sa madaling paraan para ma-overcome itong mga realities na ito...sadyang good 'ol sipag and tyaga pa rin ang best policies.

[fraizerph]

Spellbind Media, i agree wid u. "having a lot of money will lead us to a better life and brighter future" <<< not always true but money will samwat take part of it. money is necesity....

i knw any1 cn be rich basta as *** uve sed, dapat may sipag at tyaga. and i tnk u had d right quality naman. so, kip up d good work!

"no one needs MLMs", hmmmm, bt we cn use it... ryt!!? samway it helps us...

U knw ***, we hav our own business. ok naman ang income, actually it s our major income to provide our nids. every business wants to expand (get bigger), well known n d market, hav a greater income... ders one tng we realize and dis happend ha!... btw, our business nature was Printing Press Materials. we deliver materials... etc for Printing Press.... d situation goes like dis... ders a big Publisher and a Newspaper na **** namin makuha (provide more = bigger profit) na wer goin to deliver *** ever dey nid. U knw ***, d only prob s "BIG CAPITAL". as u cn see hir, BIG CAPITAL = BIG INCOME.
**** do u want to knw d figures kung magkano??? talaga namang nakakabigla e! ****

Bt hir in FQ, only 8,880php lifetym which provide me arnd ++,+++ a wik income! *** d hell!!!

sorry f i was n d hat of a businessman. pareho naman tyo e. we both love our own way ryt! doesnt matter f it s a long term, or a short term. wer gana mit naman n d end bt na enjoy na naman *** life.

[Masquerade]

Originally posted by SpellbindMedia
- Ayoko rin nung idea that FQ is marketing the idea of getting rich fast, na posible palang kumita ng malaking pera linggo-linggo. Yun nga, kesyo kailangan "magtulungan" kayo, na nakikiramay ang upline mo sa kapakanan mo. If I were in that position, I can't help but feel na kinukuhanan ko ng pera ang ibang tao. And this becomes and endless cycle. Meron pang mga ways to maximize earning, like mga anak mo or magulang mo pwede mong gawing immediate downlines mo para mas malaki ang kinukuha mo...

- Totoong naghihirap ang bansa, but I still believe that hard work pays. And it's more fullfiling. May halong morality issue na rin kasi eh, dahil ang dali pumasok ng pera di mo maiisip kung kanino kinukuha yung pera para lang maibigay yung paycheck mo for the week. It's true: money isn't everything. I'd rather go hungry than have two cars and a business while my conscience bothers me.
The same goes for me.

Side story. A friend of mine borrowed money from me. I didn't ask where she would use it for and I just found out later that she joined this FQ thing. She used the money for the registration fee. I had no idea what FQ is before so I just thought that she invested the money somewhere. Then one day she started bugging me almost everyday to watch something on VCD. So I asked her what it is all about. She explained to me how it works and I was shocked to find out that she is recruiting me! I mean, I already lent her the money and I am happy for her that she will earn from it. But to recruit me and AGAIN earn some more money from my registration fee??? WTF???

This turned me off plus the fact that, like what SpellbindMedia said, my conscience can't take it. Hard work pays off. Hindi ko masisikmura na kumikita ako ng pera na nakaupo lang ako. I don't know if my info is accurate. If you compare the money that you will earn from selling against recruiting, mas malaki ang kikitain mo sa pag-recruit so tama si SpellbindMedia, you will lose the focus on the selling part coz you won't really earn that much from that. People will start recruiting others to earn more. After a while, meron pa kaya magbebenta?

[fraizerph]

Masquerade, ur frend doin diff way. m nt dat kind of person hu bugging sam1 kulng nalng lumuhod ka para marecruit mo sya. *** d hell dey doin!!! hello!!! dis s business nt, wer nt beggars ok! maybe ur frend rily nids a money dat tym and 1st tng comes n his mind s FQ. and ur d frend na makakatulong sa kanya. he did n a nice way samhow coz he introduce u d business.

Of corse marami ngbebenta. arnd 30% of my business associate earning alot sa selling dan inviting ppl to join d company. BTW, wer nt recruiting ppl coz wer nt recruitment agency OK!!! wer inviting ppl and intyroduce d company to let dem understand how it work blah blah...

OK, i understand ur situation wid ur frend masquerade. kc frend mo sya and 1 tng na alam mo, kikita sya once u join ryt! and its big money for u.... according to our experience, ppl hu rily closed on us and nde naniniwala. dey tnking na pinagkakaperahan namin *** bt n d ader way arnd, wer giving den opportunity. nasa kanila na yon f dey will join or not. ok *** yon. atleast we lend and introduce dis wid dem. kaya ***, once dey knew dat wer earning na and we had a new hse. naku, tsaka *** *** nikikinig. nway, ganyan **** buhay.

M telling u dis, FQ s nt for ol ppl. Nt ol ppl hu join wil suceed. Nt ol hard workers will get a better life eventually. Bt opportunity s der, f u wil grab it, u hav a chance bt f not of cors u get nothing.

"opportunity s a chance nt knowing f dis s for us, not unless we tryd it."

----- so are u IN or are u IN?

[Masquerade]

I'm still out.

Also, the way you write makes my head ache. I hope you won't use text lingo because we are not texting. I don't even text that way. *takes paracetamol*

Anyway, a friend's friend bought 5 shares and he is now all over the place recruiting people to form his required 5 pairs. He doesn't even sell or use FQ products coz he himself admits that the products are not that good. So I asked him why he joined in the first place if he does not believe that the products they are selling have quality. He became silent for a while and started this "opportunity of a lifetime" speech. Cut the crap people. You said 30% earn from selling. What about the other 70%? I need facts. Since you started with FQ, how much have you earned from selling the products and how much have you earned from recruiting?

Oh by the way, you're right. FQ is not for everybody. It certainly is not for me because I DID NOT need this when I bought my house. Pure hardwork and pure determination to succeed paid off for me. I also can sleep peacefully at night.

[kennster]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
8_otcho, you got what you paid for the instant you bought your combo pak. The products you bought for 12K is worth 20K at
retail price. you got even more than what you paid for.

why dont you sell it? maybe you dont want to?:D

why didnt you just retail your 2CC?

why dont you return your products and get your money back? (there is a 30-day FULL MONEY- BACK GUARANTEE.)

if you pay 8,880 in FQ, you will get a "gift certificate" worth 2K for FQ products. what about your 6,880?

where do you think they get the 1,000 they pay the guy who recruited you? where do you think they get the 1,500 they pay the guy who can "PAIR" from your "investment"?

in FQ, if you wanna "get back" what you invested, you have to RECRUIT others. try selling your 2K worth of products, and see if youll get back your 8,880.

who would want to join a company under investigation by the DTI and SEC? a lot of people join those thing simply because a lot of people are ignorant about such thing too.

just buy your shoes, bags, and belts directly from marikina, youll get it A LOT CHEAPER than getting it from FQ.

Bullseye!!! Nice post Strange_Dejavu..

Pyramiding is when you get products less the worth of your investment. In FLP, when you shell out 12k, you get 20k worth of products so meaning right there and then, you'll instantly have an 8k profit if u sell the products. :)

while in FQ, when u shell out 9k, you only get 2k worth of goods, so where's the 7k?? :rolleyes: It's obvious na pyramiding to kasi it's like *** 6+k ang pinapaikot nila, naglagay na lang sila ng so-called "product" worth 2k para masabing Networking sila.. ;)

Well, it's still up to the peeps on where they wanna invest their money.. just a tip, STUDY the company [and their products] where u plan to invest your money.. just my 2 cents, if u will invest ur money in a Networking scheme, might as well invest it in a company that promotes COMSUMER goods coz it's much more stable, what made me say that? coz ur network will use it on a regular basis.. well do u buy leather goods on a regular basis? do u buy new shoes every month? :D Goodluck to all. Peace! :)

[firewoman24]

Originally posted by Masquerade
I'm still out.

Also, the way you write makes my head ache. I hope you won't use text lingo because we are not texting. I don't even text that way. *takes paracetamol*

Anyway, a friend's friend bought 5 shares and he is now all over the place recruiting people to form his required 5 pairs. He doesn't even sell or use FQ products coz he himself admits that the products are not that good. So I asked him why he joined in the first place if he does not believe that the products they are selling have quality. He became silent for a while and started this "opportunity of a lifetime" speech. Cut the crap people. You said 30% earn from selling. What about the other 70%? I need facts. Since you started with FQ, how much have you earned from selling the products and how much have you earned from recruiting?

Oh by the way, you're right. FQ is not for everybody. It certainly is not for me because I DID NOT need this when I bought my house. Pure hardwork and pure determination to succeed paid off for me. I also can sleep peacefully at night.

I agree with you Masquerade.....
fraizerph, dont use text lingo its annoying to read

[kennster]

firewoman24: i think the grammar is MORE annoying.. :lol:

fraizerph: im just wonderin'.. can u explain to us Pexers whether ur company is into NETWORKING or PYRAMIDING? :)

well it's not bad to earn money.. just do it the legal way.. by the way, Networking is Legal while Pyramiding is NOT. just fyi.. ;)

[thehitman]

I feel sorry for the people who will be at the bottom of the pyramid if and when FQ collapses. For every person who made big bucks, there might be at least 10 people who lost 8.8K investment. For every person who was able to afford a Ford Expedition, 10 people might be saddled with debt.

fraizerph: where does the bulk of your five-digit monthly income come from? From the FQ products you sell? Or from commissions you make from recruiting people?

:cool:

[earl_jann]

Short term wise, this is a very profitable "business". Long term? HECK NO! I'd rather do AMWAY, FOREVER LIVING, NUSKIN or other MLM companies out there na stable. FQ is a recruting game, they aint.
If you sell a shoe or two how long do you think they would buy again from you? Yeah sure you made 100% markup but that would last for a year or so! Sell consumables then every month they'd buy from you. Besides, the marikina shoes and bags already have discount sales as high as 70% off monthly! no need for the all-time 50% discount of FQ.
That is why the Binary system is very unstable. True, cash flow is fast and big--- only for the persons on top of the pyramid. But hey, I doubt FQ would be a member of DSA. If it is already, well, i might just change my mind. Currently I think FQ is a recruiting joke.

[sh888]

frazierph: explain to us briefly the compensation plan...and please don't use text lingo... (ang sakit na ng ulo ko).

[fraizerph]

hello guy, just dropin by. i cnt answer all your queries by this time bcoz im very busy setling my papers and documents. Were goin to open an outlet in HongKong soon. so, just post all your comments and questions. ill try to answer that when i came back.

But eto *** po masasabi ko as of now. Chairman Bayani Fernando is also promoting some products of FQ. He signed some contracts and documents. And if you can see our brochure, BF is featured on the last page with his signature. Promoting Marikina Shoe Manufacturing Industry. --- BF is a government official. He knows the policies regarding this thing (promoting). Syempre Every government official na may mga matataas na pangalan dapat magingat sa mga illegal na makakasira sa pangalan nila right!!!. Bakit naman ipinalagay ni BF *** Picture nya? as in 1 whole page sya ng brochure ha! not just 2x2 picture. Eto *** po sa ngayon.

Ill post soon yung mga documents of DTI, SEC, and Permits.... I have already the DTI, SEC and BIR. Ill try to research for DSAP thing. what else do i have to post???

Ill be back soon.

BTW, ill just clarify something.

kennster:
8,880 includes:
2,000 php - product package
3,000 php - discount voucher
???? php - accidental insurance
550 php kits
???? - international discount card
???? - lifetime training
???? - lifetime discounts and many more....

For those na nasa ibang MLM aside from FQ, try to research kung sino mas the best but i think iba naman ang line ng products nila. FLP is medicine, DXN is medicine, Gano is Health supplement, *** else???.... FQ is selling leather goods like shoes, sandals, bags, belts, aside from that meron din polo, shirts, pants (Brands: One & Co., Brent, Gapstar, Barbie for kids apparel and many more..), handsanitiser, make-ups (colour make-ups by Kriz Aquino), Crystals (Joy Lim bt Kriz endorse the product), perfumes, comforter... etc. soon, mga makikita nyo sa grocery. actually may bigas na din doon pro its not included in 50%, discounted lang sya.

Any questions about the products and capital investment??? If anyone wants to witness the product launching on Feb 25, pls let me know so ill reserved you a ticket. The ticket is limited to VIPs because it will held on Manila Intercontinetal Hotel. Hindi kaya i-accomodate lahat ng members around 270,000 business associates. Maybe makakakuha ako ng 3 tickets hopefully. You will see the upcoming brands and new items.

Wish me luck on my Hongkong trip. Til next time.

[HoRnY4NiE]

langya ka fraizerph pupunta ka ng hongkong???? d ka man lang nagsasabi...hahhaha bka yumaman ka na ng husto nyan ah...hehhehe ambunan mo naman kami...

[kennster]

Originally posted by fraizerph

BTW, ill just clarify something.

kennster:
8,880 includes:
2,000 php - product package
3,000 php - discount voucher
???? php - accidental insurance
550 php kits
???? - international discount card
???? - lifetime training
???? - lifetime discounts and many more....

FLP is medicine, DXN is medicine, Gano is Health supplement, *** else???....

well if you'll give us a break down of the 9k joining fee, might as well give us an accurate breakdown.. just wonderin, you pay for all the trainings you get? :rolleyes: you pay for the lifetime discount? :rolleyes: .. I think ur not getting what im trying to say here.. When you receive products worth less the fee you payed, then it's clearly pyramiding.. yeah ur earning good in ur business, but that's not the argument.. what im saying is that Pyramiding is Illegal and very UNSTABLE. Also just to correct you, FLP is not medicine, FLP is into Consumer products just like Procter and Gamble.. the only difference is that we use Networking instead of Advertisements.. Also FLP is legally operating and Recognized all over the world and if that still doesnt speak of STABILITY, i dont know what will.. Im not trying to bash here.. let's just be transparent.. :cool: Goodluck on ur HK trip! ;)

[treefingers]

okey ba to na pagsalihan? isnt this one of those pyramid sh*ts?

seems like theyre into network selling scheme. a friend is trying to recruit me but im not interested with this kind of thing but i also hate to disappoint her.

[treefingers]

whew...nabasa ko rin lahat ng posts!

2 things:

1. im not joining this crap.
2. nahilo ako sa text lingo nitong fraizer...blah blah.

networking/pyramid scheme is so jologs. eto yung para sa mga taong mahilig magdala ng bag na may laman na kung ano-anong abubot tapos kunyari imbitahin ka na mag snack or something then ayun...i re-recruit ka na. langhiya. :glee:

tapos meorn pang litaniya na paikot ikot para lang ma cover *** real motive na para gatasan ka. :veryfunny:

:glee:

[kennster]

yep, pyramiding is just not jologs but illegal.. but that doesnt go with networking.. Networking is a legit business, e.g. MLM (Multi-level Marketing). and to those peeps sayin' MLM is illegal, fyi MLM is a subject in DLSU and Ateneo. :)

[brigitts]

fraizerph: ok ka rin noh, pagkatapos mo kaming hiluhin at pasakitin ang ulo sa malabo mong text linggo at mali maling grammar at spelling, gagawa ka lang ng breakdown ng P9,000 niyo, hindi pa clear at accurate. ano yung "????" na pinagsususulat mo?? eh miski pala ikaw hindi mo alam kung pano ang naging breakdown ng perang binigay mo. palibasa ayaw niyo nalang aminin na yun kasi ang pinaghahatian ng mga tao sa taas ng pyramid niyo.

di ka ba makaintindi?? once na mas mataas ang nilabas mong pera kaysa binalik sayo (8,880 membership fee in return 2,000 worth of products AND DON'T GIVE US THE ******** NA INSURANCE, DISCOUNT CARD, DISCOUNTS, TRAINING, etc.) pyramiding scam na yan.

PEOPLE, first thing you should watch out for, dapat equal, if not, mas malaki, ang balik sayo sa perang ininvest o pinasok mo.

FLP has no recruitment fee, the application form is a mere P6.00 at KUNG magaavail ka dun sa P12,000 wala ka pa ring lugi coz the products are of the best quality, has SEVEN seals of approval here and abroad, unique, consumer goods (pagnaubos, bibili ulit ang tao di gaya ng damit, sapatos at bag), and are actually worth P20,000, so if you sell it may P8000 ka pang profit. take note i said "KUNG" dahil OPTIONAL yung P12,000. hindi yon membership fee at lalong hindi recruitment fee.

bakit kailangan may fee ang discount card at trainings??!!? eh kung traditional companies nga, di naman sinisingil ang mga empleyado sa mga trainings eh. in FLP, walang fee ang trainings, they give it to people for free.

tsaka yung mga products niyo, aminado na nga mismo mga members niyo na hindi naman of best quality, pano ka makakarepeat sales sa mga customers mo? bukod sa di naman sila buwan buwan bumibili ng sapatos at bag, di pa maganda ang pagkagawa sa mga produkto niyo.

once you recruit by pairs, binary system yon. anong itsura ng binary system? i drawing niyo at lalabas ang shape ng pyramid. aminin niyo na rin na front niyo lang ang products para kunwari networking kayo when in truth, you're just another pyramiding company.

remember people, if you get less than what you invested, think twice, think thrice, think another time kung legit, legal and worth it ang pinapasukan niyo.

tingnan niyo nalang sa SEC at DTI, sobrang legal ang FLP. there are two kinds of networking, legal at illegal. marami ring ibang legal na network companies pero ang FLP lang ang never nagkaron ng lawsuit. eh ang FQ, pinaimbistigahan pa. FLP has been in business for many years, stable siya, available in more than a hundred countries, cited as the BEST HEALTH PRODUCT COMPANY and the MOST OUTSTANDING MLM COMPANY in the country.

people, i'm not saying na don't join FQ or join FLP instead. matatanda na kayo, may isip naman kayo. i say do the investigations yourselves. see the two sides if you have to.

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by ka_enteng
Ano ba ng nature ng business nila? Parang Forever Living din ba? Okey kayang sumali doon? Meron ba ditong member sa kanila?

Hello po sa mga mambabasa, matagal na rin pala nag-start itong thread na ito at marami na rin ang naipost at mga pangyayari. Nakakatuwa at napapatawa na lang ako sa ilang mga exchanges ng mga forumers, may kanya-kanyang mga points naman sila, mukhang aabangan ko rin itong thread na ito sa mga iba pang developments.

Ako kasi nag-join dito through my nephew, and 3 other friends mentioned it to me, yung 2 roon gusto akong irecruit, hehehe. Pero ika nga blood is thicker than water kaya nagparecruit ako sa pamangkin ko.

May mga comments that tends to be negative or against sa FQ at meron din namang positive, gusto ko ring sagutin yung ibang tanong pero, nasagot na rin ng iba, siguro I will respond na lang when needed based on my observation and personal thought.

Hindi rin kasi maiaalis sa isang company na bago na mapansin, may mga companies din na noon pa ay nademanda at naireklamo na rin, siguro halos lahat if not all companies (na malalaki na ngayon at matagal na) nung nagsimula ay nakaranas ng maraming problema gaya ng mga demandahan. From what I have read, na-clear na ang FQ about the pyramiding issue kaya naman patuloy pa rin siya sa pag-expand.

FQ is an MLM business, and MLM gaya ng sabi ng iba is not for everyone, it could work for one and would not work for another one, and yet if you work at it, sinamahan nga ng sipag, tyaga at dedikasyon ay maaaring ikaunlad at ikaasenso ito ng tao. Marami pang mga businesses available sa market, iba-iba rin ang sinusubukan ng tao, pero ano man ito, mapa-consumables o hindi eh nagagamit naman natin ito, gaya ng clothing and shoes, kailangan natin yan, di man palagian but at one point bumibili rin tayo at ang ibang tao, ang point ko rito, ano man ang produkto na kailangan ng tao ay bibili at bibili rin sila, seasonal man or hindi, iyan ay negosyo na nagke-cater sa pangangailangan ng mga tao.

Yung mga products na Philippine-made, for export quality na rin ito marami nang products ang nabebenta sa ibat-ibang bansa, ito ay nakakatulong sa economy ng Pilipinas. Kung ito man ay may problema at mahina ang quality, meron naman itong "room for improvement" para magkaroon ng pagkakataon na mapabuti pa ang produkto at maging "world class quality".

May mga produkto rin ang ibang bansa na mahina ang klase, kahit gawa pa ito sa USA, Canada, China at iba pa, pero sa katagalan ito ay gumaganda dahil nga sa improvement nito, kailangan gawin ito ng mga companies na mapabuti ang kalidad ng kanilang produkto para manatili sila sa sirkulasyon, sa merkado.

Mag-e-expand ang First Quadrant dito sa California, sa Milpitas ang magiging homebase nito at sa tingin ko ay mag-e-expand pa ito sa ibang states, at sa nabasa ko pa ay magbubukas pa ito sa Canada at Hongkong. Malaki ang pag-asa ng FQ na maging successful dito at makipaglaban sa iba pang produkto ng iba't ibang bansa at ito ay mas magiging affordable sa mga kababayan natin dito sa USA. Sa pamamagitan nito ay matutulungan ang Pilipinas sa kanyang economiya dahil mapapabilang ito sa export listings/category/numbers/statistics.

Sa iba namang business na matuturing na MLM at sa mga taong involved dito, ipagpatuloy lamang ninyo ang magaganda at mabubuting gawain at balang araw kayo ay giginhawa rin kung sasamahan ito ng sipag, tiyaga, determinasyon, dedikasyon, ano pa ba? hehehe pare-pareho na yata yon, samahan pa natin ng dasal. At kung kayo man ay yumaman at umasenso ay ibahagi rin natin ang ating tagumpay sa ating mga kababayan, sa pamamagitan nito ay atin din binibiyayaan ang Panginoon, ika nga eh you are blessing God as God continues to bless you as well.

Sa may mga trabaho naman, ipagpatuloy lang natin ito, ako man ay may trabaho pa rin at dahil din sa ating pagsusumikap, pagtitiyaga at kung anu-anu pa ay maaari tayong umunlad, umasenso at makamit ang tagumpay at mga pangarap na minimithi. At kung may opportunity na sa tingin natin ay puwede at kaya nating gawin as long as ito ay legal at moral, gawin lang natin ito.

Maraming salamat po, hanggang sa muli at pagpalain tayo ng Panginoon.

[kennster]

Originally posted by HafaJerry
FQ is an MLM business


I dont think so..
- If u get less than what you invested.. it's not MLM.
- If you have recruitement fees, it's not MLM.
- Lastly, if it's binary, it's not MLM. BINARY=PYRAMIDING.

but still, goodluck dude. :)

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by kennster
I dont think so..
- If u get less than what you invested.. it's not MLM.
- If you have recruitement fees, it's not MLM.
- Lastly, if it's binary, it's not MLM. BINARY=PYRAMIDING.

but still, goodluck dude. :)

- To my observation I am getting more than what I invested so it's MLM
- there's no recruitment fees, it's an investment, so it is MLM
- And yes there's Binary System Marketing Strategy involved. Pyramiding is a business strategy, some of them are illegal, not all.

Thanks for the "goodluck", I will try to make my own luck and do some actions to succeed, yet to me I don't believe much in luck, but I believe more about prayers and God will do the rest, so May God bless my business and be a blessing to others.

I am willing to partner or tie-up with FQ (with the other business I am involved with/in) like those businesses offering discounts to FQ members or business associates, when FQ opens in California, members will have the chance to avail of up to 50% to Hafa Jerry's Gifts which when bought to the mall or online doesn't give much or no discount at all.

There's one store in San Francisco, whom I have shown the catalog and told them about FQ and they are excited and looking forward to the FQ opening here, they could sell the products in their store which is considerably/reasonably priced, it can compete here. When that happens then export figures will go up and will help the Philippine economy, more productions, more jobs for our kababayans back home.

And my advice to those who have other businesses in the Philippines just like FQ, Forever Living and even the traditional businesses, keep up the good work and I would be happy to see my kababayans to be successful as business people/entrepreneurs. Don't get discouraged with all the pessimistic/negative people around, just move on and focus on your dreams and make it happen.

And to explain furthermore:

First Quadrant Philippines is No.1 because of the Binary System Marketing Strategy where a New Business Associate needs only Two (2) Downlines or Referrals connected to him/her, which means that the succeeding referrals or downlines that joins would be connected to the first two(2) downlines and so on. Meaning that unlike other companies where one can be greedy by connecting all your direct referrals to him/her in FQPI there is HELPING IN THE ORGANIZATION because wether you like it or not you are obligated to help your downlines by passing to them your new members making them earn also and that also applies to your upline where he/she is obligated to share his/her new members down to you.


http://firstquadrantphilippines.com/Nuke/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=12

First Quadrant Philippines, Inc. Offers the Lowest Investment Capital on the Top 5 MLM Companies in the Philippines!

I think the above quote explains my quote, if you want more explanations you can visit this site at www.webfrix.com, it has all the information about the company.

And here's more information as continuation:

In addition to the Superb Marketing Plan of FQPI which would make the Capital Investment of Php 8,880.00 worth it, FQPI believes that INVESTING MONEY WITHOUT RECEIVING INITIALLY ANYTHING IN RETURN OR RECEIVING OVERPRICED PRODUCTS IN RETURN WITH JUST A PROMISE OF BIG PROFITS IN THE FUTURE IS TOO RISKY.

The Risk in not having an equivalent value in an Investment is that the whole thing might just be a Scam or the Promise of Big Profits is simply too hard to achieve and that investors would simply end up losing hope and its simply because of Bad and Unrealistic Marketing Strategies that is why they require a High Investment Capital in the First Place.

To take away doubts that FQPI is really for real, FQPI would not just equal your Investment Capital but Instead Exceed Its Value! you be the judge of this and take a look below on what you'll get when you become an FQPI Business Associate.

For a Small Business Investment of Php8,880.00 FQPI will give you:

50% Lifetime Discount on all FQPI products This privilege alone would make your investment more than worth it.

Php 2,000.00 Shopping Money Shop for FQPI products worth Php 2,000.00 cutting your investment to only Php 6,880.00

Prudential Life Insurance worth Php 100,000.00 To think you only invested Php 8,880.00 you'll be having a Life Insurance which is renewable annually. NOT BAD!

Privilege Card Local and International Discount Guide You'll be having access to DISCOUNTS ranging from 4% to 75% coming from 1,500 establishment worldwide including bars,travel,nike shoes,resorts,restaurants,car shops,major malls etc. and FQPI continually adds establishments to the list

FQPI Membership and Privilege Card

FQPI Business Kit The kit that would make your business running.
Sales Training Course 2 comprehensive self-confidence boosting course on how to become an effective an convincing salesman and be able to face people and not be intimidated no matter who is in front of you. This course is easily worth Php 4,000.00 to Php 6,000.00 on commercially conducted confidence development seminars.

Php 3,000.00 Discount Voucher Since October First Quadrant Phils. Awarded All its Old and New members with a whopping Php3,000.00 bonus making the initial Investment of Php8,880 all the more worth it.

First Quadrant Credit Card (MetroBank) All Business Associates are entitled to a Credit Card by Metrobank this reassures the stability of First Quadrant Phils. because no less than the No. 1 Bank in the Philippines is Affililiated with us

Again, if anyone wanted to know more about First Quadrant, you can check out the site at:

www.firstquadrant.org and

www.webfrix.com for more explanations.

Thanks for the time reading this and God bless us all.

[brigitts]

HafaJerry


- To my observation I am getting more than what I invested so it's MLM
- there's no recruitment fees, it's an investment, so it is MLM
- And yes there's Binary System Marketing Strategy involved. Pyramiding is a business strategy, some of them are illegal, not all

how are you getting more than what you invested if you shell out P8,880 and get ONLY JUST P2000 worth of products? what kennster is saying is yung initial shell out and payback sayo. kitang kita naman na lugi ka coz nawala yung P6880 mo. ay oo nga pala, RECRUITMENT FEE kasi yon. and don't give us the ******** na for discounts and trainings yon coz one other BETTER, MUCH BETTER company, a LEGAL MLM company is giving out FREE discounts and trainings too.

FQPI believes that INVESTING MONEY WITHOUT RECEIVING INITIALLY ANYTHING IN RETURN OR RECEIVING OVERPRICED PRODUCTS IN RETURN WITH JUST A PROMISE OF BIG PROFITS IN THE FUTURE IS TOO RISKY.

hindi ba kayo ang may overpriced products? mga tao niyo mismo ang umaamin na mas mataas ang presyo niyo kaysa sa ibang stores o outlets kaya pagnagbigay kayo ng discounts, eh di ganon lang din, parang wala ring discount coz people can buy it at a lower price somewhere else.

FLP has no risk. first of all, OPTIONAL ang P12000 investment. you need not shell out that amount to become a member. eh sa inyo, no money no membership, sorry.

and if ever you do decide to invest P12000, the actual worth of the products given to you is more than P20000. kung sa inyo magsasayang sila ng P8000+, samin magkaka profit ka ng P8000+. so wala ka talagang lugi, and the FOREVER LIVING PRODUCTS are of the HIGHEST QUALITY, has seven seals of approval, and adjudged as the BEST HEALTH PRODUCT COMPANY throughout the country by the prestigious CONSUMERS UNION OF THE PHILIPPINES.

Prudential Life Insurance worth Php 100,000.00 To think you only invested Php 8,880.00 you'll be having a Life Insurance which is renewable annually. NOT BAD!

Privilege Card Local and International Discount Guide You'll be having access to DISCOUNTS ranging from 4% to 75% coming from 1,500 establishment worldwide including bars,travel,nike shoes,resorts,restaurants,car shops,major malls etc. and FQPI continually adds establishments to the list


Q: Can we use the First Quadrant Voucher (FQV) to purchase items in the Regular Product Catalogue?
No. FQVs can be applied only to products and services contained in the Special Product Package Catalogue.

limited pa pala ang vouchers niyo...tsk tsk...

Q: What happens when my Insurance and Discount Card privileges expire after one (1) year?
No problem. It's renewed automatically for a minimal fee of P1,000. The fee is deducted on your next paycheck. No cash out, no documents required, no hassle. You get to enjoy uninterrupted protection and benefits.

may renewal fee pa kayo???? DOUBLE tsk tsk.... feeling niyo ba MINIMAL ang P1000??!?!? P10 ang minimal, P100 pwede pa, P1000???? hayyyy..... eh ni hindi mo nga magagamit even half of those discounts tapos magbabayad ka ng P1000, LUGI KA PA!! 4% discount sa medyo magagamit mo at 75% discount sa never mong magagamit...

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by brigitts
HafaJerry



how are you getting more than what you invested if you shell out P8,880 and get ONLY JUST P2000 worth of products? what kennster is saying is yung initial shell out and payback sayo. kitang kita naman na lugi ka coz nawala yung P6880 mo. ay oo nga pala, RECRUITMENT FEE kasi yon. and don't give us the ******** na for discounts and trainings yon coz one other BETTER, MUCH BETTER company, a LEGAL MLM company is giving out FREE discounts and trainings too.



hindi ba kayo ang may overpriced products? mga tao niyo mismo ang umaamin na mas mataas ang presyo niyo kaysa sa ibang stores o outlets kaya pagnagbigay kayo ng discounts, eh di ganon lang din, parang wala ring discount coz people can buy it at a lower price somewhere else.

FLP has no risk. first of all, OPTIONAL ang P12000 investment. you need not shell out that amount to become a member. eh sa inyo, no money no membership, sorry.

and if ever you do decide to invest P12000, the actual worth of the products given to you is more than P20000. kung sa inyo magsasayang sila ng P8000+, samin magkaka profit ka ng P8000+. so wala ka talagang lugi, and the FOREVER LIVING PRODUCTS are of the HIGHEST QUALITY, has seven seals of approval, and adjudged as the BEST HEALTH PRODUCT COMPANY throughout the country by the prestigious CONSUMERS UNION OF THE PHILIPPINES.




Q: Can we use the First Quadrant Voucher (FQV) to purchase items in the Regular Product Catalogue?
No. FQVs can be applied only to products and services contained in the Special Product Package Catalogue.

limited pa pala ang vouchers niyo...tsk tsk...

Q: What happens when my Insurance and Discount Card privileges expire after one (1) year?
No problem. It's renewed automatically for a minimal fee of P1,000. The fee is deducted on your next paycheck. No cash out, no documents required, no hassle. You get to enjoy uninterrupted protection and benefits.

may renewal fee pa kayo???? DOUBLE tsk tsk.... feeling niyo ba MINIMAL ang P1000??!?!? P10 ang minimal, P100 pwede pa, P1000???? hayyyy..... eh ni hindi mo nga magagamit even half of those discounts tapos magbabayad ka ng P1000, LUGI KA PA!! 4% discount sa medyo magagamit mo at 75% discount sa never mong magagamit...

Thanks for your explanation Brigitts, I've read them all, ang business kasi it's not one time deal, it's a long process, para sa akin hindi ako lugi riyan, kasi it's an investment, meaning you anticipate and you look forward to getting more later as you build your business. And I believe you get P3,000 worth of products so one can sample it and use it. Regarding the Insurance and Discount Card renewal fee of P1,000.00 per year, if you are getting bonuses, that will be easy to pay and I won't mind paying it every year. Now what if they're not getting bonuses? Then there must be something wrong, perhaps the person is not doing anything to make it big in the business, perhaps no action being taken, just for one direct referral entitles you to P1,000.00 bonus eh di meron na pambayad sa renewal. Siguro naman ang isang tao eh hindi lang isa ang puwedeng marecruit or mainvite to join in the business. I am already in FQ business and I believe I will benefit from joining, I have shown this to one business we are supplying (gift items) and they are excited and looking forward to the opening of FQ here in California, they can sell the products in their store and share the business to others, and no one will and can stop them from doing it.



Okay sige, sabihin na nating mas maganda ang iyong business, ang masasabi ko lang diyan, keep up the good work and continue doing it until you fulfill all your dreams in life, slowly or fast depending on how much effort you exert on it. God bless your business and I hope and pray that you will be a blessing to others. I have seen the FLP website and I am considering joining too, I hope you won't stop me from doing that. Imagine if ever I do that, I have FQ and I have FLP, I am sure they have different products too, meaning they don't carry the same product lines, if they do then, I still have to review and find out, from my understanding FLP has consumable products that people uses on a regular basis. FQ products may be seasonal and yet people need clothing and other products in it, and it could sell in the USA and Canada. Other people have different/several businesses they are involved in and I don't mind doing it both as long as it will benefit me that I can share and pass it on to others.



I don't know exactly how many business associates FQ has, but I can't blame them from joining or they can’t be wrong in their decision to join, because there are lots of people that are successful that makes it real big and I am sure there are lots of people too in FLP that makes it big too, and you could be one of them. I am encouraging all business associates of FQ and even FLP to really strive and work hard or smart and continue on fulfilling your dreams and turn it into a reality. Para naman umunlad ang Pilipinas at ang mamamayan/kababayan natin, I would like to see that happen so they don't have to go abroad and work but rather go abroad and travel as tourist.



And if you're one of the many successful person in FLP, I encourage you to visit and tour California or other states in the USA and enjoy your trip, that goes to FQ business associates as well.



Regarding the discount naman, ewan ko lang kung bakit parang may napapansin akong "bitterness" or paninira, napansin ko lang, I could be wrong, di naman kasi ako perpekto pero I will explore and find out all those businesses that offers discounts. Kung magbukas na ang FQ rito, our business will tie up with them and offer up to 50% discount, at sa tingin ko naman sa panahon na merong okasyon gaya ng mga birthdays, holidays or any other celebrations eh magagamit naman siguro ang mga regalo (3,000+ items), we can even offer sub-wholesaler possibilities without having to pay anything except when they buy the products.



To all FQ business associates, FQ is expanding, that's a very good sign, it will reach California soon and I am encouraging you to inform your friends and relatives here in California (others states will follow, as long as there are Filipinos) to take a look at FQ business opportunity and join to avail of the many benefits FQ has to offer and again this goes to FLP business associates as well. Thank you very much for reading and God bless us all.

[brigitts]

oh well, good luck. sabagay kanya kanya lang naman yan. to each his own. i suggest you learn our business kasi i can guarantee you that forever living is very legal and gives importance to product movement so talagang network marketing. pero kung ayaw mo, di ka rin namin pipilitin, basta alamin mo lang ang tinatanggihan mo. good luck.

[kennster]

IN FOREVER LIVING:
To be a member, just sign-up, pay SIX PESOS for the form, and THATS IT UR A MEMBER, and at the same time you'll have a 30% discount on all products. You can also purchase products at wholesale price, sell it at retail. No FEES whatsoever. Remember, The COMBO PAK is an option, you dont have to buy it to be a member. :)

IN FIRST QUADRANT:
To be a member, you need to shell out a whopping P8,880 and in return, you get products worth P2,000.. what the? where's the remaining P6,880.. hmmm smells fishy. :rolleyes:

IN FOREVER LIVING:
I could recruit a THOUSAND people and not earn a single peso until someone buys a product. there is NO RECRUITMENT COMMISSION IN FLP. PURE AND SIMPLE. Your salary depends on the PRODUCTS you and your NETWORK move. :)

IN FIRST QUADRANT:
You need to recruit people willing to shell out P8,880 so you could earn a P1,000 recruitement fee per head, and if you recruit by pair, u get a P1,500 bonus. I think the products are just a lame excuse here. :rolleyes:

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Keep in mind that in order for a company to be recognized as a Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) company, it should promote PRODUCT MOVEMENT. Well i stated the facts, it's up to the people to judge. Peace y'all :)

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by brigitts
oh well, good luck. sabagay kanya kanya lang naman yan. to each his own. i suggest you learn our business kasi i can guarantee you that forever living is very legal and gives importance to product movement so talagang network marketing. pero kung ayaw mo, di ka rin namin pipilitin, basta alamin mo lang ang tinatanggihan mo. good luck.

Hay, salamat akala ko mahaba na naman ang explanation mo, I think I have mentioned that I am considering joining FLP, it's an option for me and a choice, I don't think na tinatanggihan ko iyon. As a business person, they are open to many options, choices and opportunities, ika nga eh man can't live by bread alone, they need something else to survive. So it's up to them to get those for them to thrive through and stay in business. I am happy with FQ and will be happy to any other business opportunities that I can join in and have, and FLP could be one of them, need I say more? God bless your business, keep up the good work and may you be a channel of blessings to other people while you continue to receive many blessings in your business/es.

To all business minded people and who are already involved in any, keep up the good work and God bless your business/es as well. I love to see my kababayans succeed in life so they don't have to work abroad (and be away with their loved ones), because right there in the Philippines, there are many (business) opportunities.

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by kennster
IN FOREVER LIVING:
To be a member, just sign-up, pay SIX PESOS for the form, and THATS IT UR A MEMBER, and at the same time you'll have a 30% discount on all products. You can also purchase products at wholesale price, sell it at retail. No FEES whatsoever. Remember, The COMBO PAK is an option, you dont have to buy it to be a member. :)

IN FIRST QUADRANT:
To be a member, you need to shell out a whopping P8,880 and in return, you get products worth P2,000.. what the? where's the remaining P6,880.. hmmm smells fishy. :rolleyes:

IN FOREVER LIVING:
I could recruit a THOUSAND people and not earn a single peso until someone buys a product. there is NO RECRUITMENT COMMISSION IN FLP. PURE AND SIMPLE. Your salary depends on the PRODUCTS you and your NETWORK move. :)

IN FIRST QUADRANT:
You need to recruit people willing to shell out P8,880 so you could earn a P1,000 recruitement fee per head, and if you recruit by pair, u get a P1,500 bonus. I think the products are just a lame excuse here. :rolleyes:

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Keep in mind that in order for a company to be recognized as a Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) company, it should promote PRODUCT MOVEMENT. Well i stated the facts, it's up to the people to judge. Peace y'all :)

Thanks for the information about the comparison if I may say, thanks for the reminder too.

God bless your business/es and your network and as I have told brigitts, may you be a channel of blessings to other people as you continue to receive blessings and reap the rewards of all your efforts.

To the prospective business associates wether FQ or FLP, keep up the good work, work at it with enthusiasm and all other factors and means to make it successful in the business and God will bless you more as you share it to others.

For more information visit these sites and know the facts at (in alphabetical order):

www.firstquadrant.org - First Quadrant Philippines
www.foreverliving.com - Forever Living

Thanks for reading and God bless us all. Maraming Salamat Po.

[Zeratul]

FIRST QUADRANT = Pinakamababaw na uri ng pagBABALADJAY

DOYEE TUMPALAN = DAKILANG BALADJAY

[Marius]

how about JC Martin? http://www.jc-martin.net/

[bosslav]

:lurker:

[kennster]

:rolleyes:

[marco_1]

magaganda products since marikina made mga shoes, kaso kelangan mong magsipag para mabawi puhunan mo thru referals or selling

[Minister]

The First Quadrant pyramiding company happy days are about to end. More and more people cant cash their checks, pioneers jumping ship and shifting to other new pyramiding companies, FQ using advertisment instead of paying its members...another sad story...another pyramiding company to fold down.

[badboychinese]

howd u know?

[Minister]

I know some pioneer members way back in FQ's Ortigas days tired of all of these charade to get new recruits. And read some business magazines they are actually publishing it that FQ (althoug the company name not mentioned is near in going into a financial crash/crisis.

[what]

how come kris aquino still keeps on plugging it sa show niya? effect lang ba yun para ma-hide ang true status ng company?

[Minister]

It's either di nya alam ang nangyayari dun internally and she doesnt know how legal networking flows. we all know her "intelligent decisions" or nababayaran *** sya ng husto for endorsing..I dont know about that. But the sad part is she gets paid but the real members that deserve it dont...you can go to FQ main office sa greenhills dami tao sa labas *** but sa loob konti, and mostly na products nabibili are from new members walang bumibili na dahil may mga orders kasi mahina ang product movement sa kanila.

[marketer]

a friend invited me last april to become his downline. declined the offer after reading some stuff at vandruff.com. just last night he told me he has already earned php 10,000 from his "investment" 8000+. dunno if i'd feel sorry for myself for declining.

:p

[ms_apple]

Hi! If I were you join n lang kyo sa jc-martin! d nadedelay ang checks! e-mail me for more infos mzsupermodel@hotmail.com

[avaj]

If you're still interestedwith FQ, we'll be holding a seminar on Saturday, 4:00 pm OR simply text me 09166668714. thanks

[avaj]

If you're still interested with FQ, we'll be holding a seminar on Saturday, 4:00 pm OR simply text me for more details - 09166668714. thanks

[omeng]

ang lupet ng FQ.. hello mrs defensor.. ang galing galing..

[HafaJerry]

Sa mga FQ Business Associates, bukas na po ang FQ International Inc., sa may Milpitas, California, paki-check lang ang website for more details, I was there with the grand opening and it was very successful, ang daming tao during the morning and evening events, the FQ products na gawang Filipino ay nasa California na ngayon, very competitive and presyo, afford ng mga kababayan natin dito at mas mura pa sa mga leading malls dito, kaya pang export quality talaga ang mga gawang Filipino, more orders and demands are coming up, kaya more business to the manufacturers of Filipino products under FQ and their constituents, more employment sa mga kababayan natin sa Pilipinas and more export revenues na nakakatulong din sa economy ng Pilipinas.

Kaya sa mga FQ Business Associates na based sa Pilipinas at sa iba pang bansa at sa mga interesado pang sumali, you can inform your friends and relatives in the USA to join in and or buy even as customers, malapit na pong magbukas din sa iba pang bansa gaya ng Canada na kalapit lang ng USA, susunod pa rito ang mga states na maraming Filipino rin, kaya the future is bright for FQ International, Inc and FQ Philippines Inc.

Yan lang po muna ang mga balita, sa ibang mga balita naman na nababasa natin, kindly show people proof in black and white and supporting documents and not from mere hearsays, baka napasalin salin na ang balita at sa bandang huli ay may dagdag-bawas pa kaya hindi nagiging maganda ang resulta. And get the information from reliable sources, those who are "in" the FQ business and not from outside sources that maybe unreliable and baseless, that we can say na paninira or some sort of crabbing.

In the meantime, let's continue on with our lives and do/be the best we could be, sipag, tyaga samahan pa ng dasal at action. Maraming Salamat Po at pagpalain tayo ng Maykapal.

[Kace]

Just happened to pass by this thread and I want to post my experience with this company.

I used to work at a call center at eastwood and do a little commercials on the side for extra income. My friend introduced me to the business about a year and a half ago, and I seriously did it (part time) for about 4 months, then went to full time after my income at first quadrant exceeded (to almost 3x) what I was earning in the call center.

So far, I haven't experienced any major problems with the company other than they sometimes run out of certain products, or when it gets a bit crowded in the (greenhills) office. But thats about it. No problems with the checks ever since.

With my current income of P00-75T/week, I was given the opportunity to save enough money to buy a franchice or put up a business of my choice. It has also allowed me enough freedom to pursue the things I want to do. I am posting this not to brag but to be a testimonial of the enormous opportunity that this company brings.

Anyone can do it. But of course this isn't a get rich quick scheme since it will also demand some hard work at the beginning. The real key to becomeing successful in this business is helping people.

[the_BuGs]

Originally posted by kennster

[b]IN FIRST QUADRANT:
To be a member, you need to shell out a whopping P8,880 and in return, you get products worth P2,000.. what the? where's the remaining P6,880.. hmmm smells fishy. :rolleyes:


actually matagal na akong iniinvite dito sa FQ dahil shempre nde ako makajoin dahil medyo nasa isip ko eh pyramiding. Tulad ng Powerhomes, etc... at iba. Pero nung na-analyze kong mabuti at napuntahan ko office nila sa Greenhills ang masasabi ko eh stable na company.

kaka member ko lang last month. mababawi mo rin naman agad eh.
breakdown

2K - For Products
3K - Voucher para sa mga products din nila

so me worth of 5K para sa mga products nila.

sabihin na nating kumuha ka na rin ng pair.
1k Per head plus 1.5K pairing edi me 3,500 ka na?


5K + 3.5K = 8,500 Pesos.. me 380 ka pang natitira?

sabihin na natin yung 5K na products na ginamit mo eh ipangbebenta mo. Example Yung shoes sa SM is 2K nakuha mo lang shempre ng 1K sa FQ. Then ibebenta mo ng 1.5K eh di me kita ka ng 500 Pesos di ba?

[dragueur]

i was also invited there...went to gh and saw their products....i didn;t like their products actually, it's sooo common i can buy the shoes/sandals at a cheaper price in malls na less than 1000 pa. even the bags, make-up, clothes, jewelries, etc...i wonder if Kris even uses their make-up e yun pa mahilig sa imported products yun. i prefer the make-up line of Forever Living Prod. w/c is an organic make-up tipong kahit may skin asthma ka or super sensitive skin mo e d ka matatakot gamitin make-up nila...and Kris even uses their make-up :lol:

visit www.foreverliving.com or my flp site www.geocities.com/myflponline ...it's available worldwide, in 100+ countries na. what i like abt here is that their products are unique and joining is cheap! P6 lang...

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by Kace
Just happened to pass by this thread and I want to post my experience with this company.

I used to work at a call center at eastwood and do a little commercials on the side for extra income. My friend introduced me to the business about a year and a half ago, and I seriously did it (part time) for about 4 months, then went to full time after my income at first quadrant exceeded (to almost 3x) what I was earning in the call center.

So far, I haven't experienced any major problems with the company other than they sometimes run out of certain products, or when it gets a bit crowded in the (greenhills) office. But thats about it. No problems with the checks ever since.

With my current income of P00-75T/week, I was given the opportunity to save enough money to buy a franchice or put up a business of my choice. It has also allowed me enough freedom to pursue the things I want to do. I am posting this not to brag but to be a testimonial of the enormous opportunity that this company brings.

Anyone can do it. But of course this isn't a get rich quick scheme since it will also demand some hard work at the beginning. The real key to becomeing successful in this business is helping people.

Keep up the good work and continue to inspire and encourage people to do their best when they join this kind of business, and now you have other business other than FQ, congratulations. I hope and pray that more people will be successful like what you have experienced, with the current situation in the Philippines, all we need is to help each other towards financial freedom and free from bondages. Focus and or concentrate more with the business that helped you made it and claim your success. Isn't nice to see that all our kababayans can afford to buy everything else they need, it could be materially but the effect is so rewarding.

As you may already know, FQ is already open in California, the rest of the states will follow so if you have relatives or friends here, introduce them to the business, they may or may not like it but what is important is you shared something that could also help them in the future, introduced your business and just continue on.

God bless you and your other businesses.

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by the_BuGs
actually matagal na akong iniinvite dito sa FQ dahil shempre nde ako makajoin dahil medyo nasa isip ko eh pyramiding. Tulad ng Powerhomes, etc... at iba. Pero nung na-analyze kong mabuti at napuntahan ko office nila sa Greenhills ang masasabi ko eh stable na company.

kaka member ko lang last month. mababawi mo rin naman agad eh.
breakdown

2K - For Products
3K - Voucher para sa mga products din nila

so me worth of 5K para sa mga products nila.

sabihin na nating kumuha ka na rin ng pair.
1k Per head plus 1.5K pairing edi me 3,500 ka na?


5K + 3.5K = 8,500 Pesos.. me 380 ka pang natitira?

sabihin na natin yung 5K na products na ginamit mo eh ipangbebenta mo. Example Yung shoes sa SM is 2K nakuha mo lang shempre ng 1K sa FQ. Then ibebenta mo ng 1.5K eh di me kita ka ng 500 Pesos di ba?

Keep up the good work too and congratulations for joining FQ, just like Kace, in due time, could be faster or at your own pace, you'll be able to achieve even more what others have achieved, like you could also venture in, invest or start up another business that would help you attain financial freedom. Continue to support Philippine made products, with FQ's opening in California it will definitely help the Philippine economy with it's export receipts and it continues to improve to compete in the international market.

If you happen to know someone from California, you can introduce them the business, show them the site and tell them about the branch here in California, sooner or later it will conquer the whole USA and would reach Canada and other countries. Isn't it nice that with FQ as a new business on it's 3rd year have accomplished a lot already and have helped more of our kababayans with their financial needs and they have gained more friends and experiences that will also help them towards success.

God bless your business and more to come your way.

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by dragueur
i was also invited there...went to gh and saw their products....i didn;t like their products actually, it's sooo common i can buy the shoes/sandals at a cheaper price in malls na less than 1000 pa. even the bags, make-up, clothes, jewelries, etc...i wonder if Kris even uses their make-up e yun pa mahilig sa imported products yun. i prefer the make-up line of Forever Living Prod. w/c is an organic make-up tipong kahit may skin asthma ka or super sensitive skin mo e d ka matatakot gamitin make-up nila...and Kris even uses their make-up :lol:

visit www.foreverliving.com or my flp site www.geocities.com/myflponline ...it's available worldwide, in 100+ countries na. what i like abt here is that their products are unique and joining is cheap! P6 lang...

Congratulations too with your FLP business, may you prosper more and be successful with it, so that you too could have financial freedom and could help more people especially your family and relatives and yes even your friends. Just like Kace, you can also venture in with other businesses available, it's okay if it's not FQ (since you don't like it as you have mentioned like it didn't passed your standards, we have the freedom as to whom to patronize, whether we get something back or not), this (FQ nor FLP and other MLM biz) is not for everybody just like any other businesses, different folks and different strokes and strategy. People can just be customers and yes then can still join the business as they pleases themselves, as long as they want it, as long as it will benefit them, just like the benefits you have been getting to your FLP biz).

God bless your business and more to come...

[sexythang]

hi people..i just got home from a free dinner in aveneto only to find out that iwas being recruited in FQ. i dunno the guy sounded so convincing that eventhough me and my husband are a little tight right now on the budget he was so convinced and was very much willing to join FQ. so i decided to visit this site hopefully to find out if there really is such a thing as "easy money". however, after reading some of the things posted here, im really having second thoughts. the part of taking home P2000 worth of marikina made stuff was kinda fishy to me since my dad owns a shoe factory and P2000 is way too much for thier so called "packages". im really confused here. i want to join since they claim to give good opportunity or some crap like that but at the same time, im not very comfortable in the idea of swindling someone else's money to gain money...phew! help! enlighthen me people. i dont have anything against FQ i just want to know the real score. thanks.:confused:

[Masquerade]

Originally posted by sexythang
im not very comfortable in the idea of swindling someone else's money to gain money...phew!
This is how I feel about the whole thing also that's why I preferred to let the "opportunity" pass me by. Good luck na lang sa mga sumali.

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by sexythang
hi people..i just got home from a free dinner in aveneto only to find out that iwas being recruited in FQ. i dunno the guy sounded so convincing that eventhough me and my husband are a little tight right now on the budget he was so convinced and was very much willing to join FQ. so i decided to visit this site hopefully to find out if there really is such a thing as "easy money". however, after reading some of the things posted here, im really having second thoughts. the part of taking home P2000 worth of marikina made stuff was kinda fishy to me since my dad owns a shoe factory and P2000 is way too much for thier so called "packages". im really confused here. i want to join since they claim to give good opportunity or some crap like that but at the same time, im not very comfortable in the idea of swindling someone else's money to gain money...phew! help! enlighthen me people. i dont have anything against FQ i just want to know the real score. thanks.:confused:

Hello sexythang, thanks for sharing your thoughts with all of us. If you want to hear more of FQ success stories go to www.firstquadrant.org if you want to review how the business works since you have already heard and seen it, you can go to either www.webfrix.com or at www.geocities.com/fqjecal for detailed review and explanations.

Right now they are giving P5,000 worth of combined packages based on retail price, that is part of the P8,880 you are investing to be a business associate of FQ. Now investing is different from swindling, do you feel that the one that is trying to recruit you is trying to swindle you for money? Or do you see the bonus of P1,000 and or P1,500 as incentive for recruitment or sponsorship as your money being swindled from your own money that you have invested? In MLM business, people are rewarded with the people the have signed up, that's from the company policy to reward people who have worked their way in sponsorship. When I joined FQ, my nephew sponsored me and I didn't feel that I am being swindled because of the bonus he is getting. Right now I am not really eager or really demanding that I sponsor or recruit people to join FQ, but I have signed up my mother in another lineage so that I can also work for that line in the future should I have more people under me. My mom, didn't felt that she was also being swindled, she have seen the business explanation and have nothing against FQ.

Again if you want to hear more about the real score, ask the people who have been in the business, who are "in" the business and not from the outside sources which are somehow for some reason are confused as well, I could be wrong but I think they are confused that they are saying/thinking negative things but been wanting to join.

One other reason, why I joined is because I have another business (just small) which I would like to have affiliation through Countdown Philippines (www.countdownphilippines.com) which offers discounts to customers/consumers, FQ offers that discount privilege to their FQ BA or members. If and when that happens which I think is very possible, then I will be offering discounts to FQ BA's that could also be our subwholesalers/subagents, that's if they are interested. Right now our market is in the USA and Canada and soon to be in the Philippines.

One more thing, I know it's only money and yes it is hard to earn money in the Philippines, but if we have the right motive, right attitude, joining an MLM business wether FQ, FLP and others available (those legals of course) would gain you more friends that will help you along the way, and that's priceless.

And if you think, it's not for you, it's not your cup of tea and not your personality, then by all means don't join, that's when regrets sets in and bad mouthing and sour graping follows along, and then there's hearsays that's been passed on from one person to another and by the time it get to you, it's all distorted and or even made up just to destroy the reputation of the company/business. But don't you worry, there will be another opportunities out there that you could proudly join in and will be oustpokenly share to everyone that you know, and if you found one, please by all means too, share it with us and we'll be glad to check it out, but don't be surprised if for some reason it's not also for us, not our type, not our cup of tea and not our personality, because MLM business is not for everybody, there is some other business that is also for you, for me and for the rest. Just don't loose hope and move on towards your success and financial freedom, don't let anybody get you down and discouraged nor steal your dream.

Thank you very much for reading, God bless you and have a great day. I hope this helps/helped.

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by Masquerade
This is how I feel about the whole thing also that's why I preferred to let the "opportunity" pass me by. Good luck na lang sa mga sumali.

That's alright Masquerade, just like my earlier post, there's a lot of business opportunity available that could work good and well to different people, it could be "in" for some people and not all, and could be "out" for some people and not all. You could still be a customer and a friend of those who invited you, if you don't like to be a customer nor a friend, I guess that will still be fine... it will be not your lost nor their lost, so we'll all move on.

And to sexythang, just wanted to remind you too that FQ is already open in California, just like my previous postings in this thread, if in case you signed up, you can inform and introduce the biz to your friends, family and relatives here, if you don't have connections in California then maybe we'll wait til FQ opens in other states of the USA, in Canada and other countries. It's up to you really, the choice is yours, do you want to join the ride? If not now, there will be another ride available, if never, that's alright, you're still a friend to the one who invited you, if not then you could be a friend to him/her/us and we'll let you ride and tag along on our vacation trips.

Also, one of my cousin have seen the opportunity already from another person, I followed up on him and he's interested, gave him vcd's that explains the business and sooner or later, they'll be "in" because it will be my wedding gift to him and his wife. Now, will I feel that I am swindled? definitely not, because I could gain bonuses for direct referral and or pairing.

God bless us all, those who are already in the FQ business and all other legal MLM's out there in the Philippines. Keep up the good work and we'll see you all at the top...

[charmedPrue]

just one question, how come FQ is not a DSA member? But it's already SEC and DTI accredited? I'm having a hard time verifying the legalities of this company...

[HafaJerry]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
just one question, how come FQ is not a DSA member? But it's already SEC and DTI accredited? I'm having a hard time verifying the legalities of this company...

That's a good question (with regards to DSA - is it the Direct Seller's/Selling Association?), I wish I know the answer but I can find that out, now maybe if you can call FQ Corporate Office and ask to be connected to the upper management, like the CEO, CFO or COO then they'll be able to provide you with an answer, they can probably show you all the legal documents in running a business in the Philippines. And if you do found out the legalities of the FQPI company, please let us know here and post if it's really legal or illegal, I think there was issues before that DTI made an inquiry but FQ was all cleared of the allegations by the skeptics and detractors. With regards to SEC or DTI (they've conducted an interview, research or investigation and they we're cleared of all the allegations as stated earlier) accreditation? Yes they are accredited, they have the copy of it (SEC accreditation) in the business manual. FQ has been in existence for 2 years, now on it's 3rd year, they are paying taxes to the Philippine government, bonuses are being taxed too, they are one of the many contributors of taxes as source of fund for government projects and services.

As for California, I can provide you with the information like their Seller's Permit, Business License, California Board of Equalization number, it's all in the Business Manual. And maybe too, we may have to direct you too with the management of FQII, if you have questions too or needs verification of the legalities of FQII company in it's operation here in California, USA.

Great move for FQ to go international and start here in California, supported by the Mayor of Milpitas City, California who is also an FQ member and I believe the former Mayor of Daly City, California have also heard and seen FQ, I won't be surprise if he too would be a member of FQ and be an business associate as well.

There's no doubt in my mind that FQ will make it big here in the US with the backing of the many BA's that have already signed up and have seen the opportunity working for them. And with FQ opening in the US (and other countries to follow) it will help the Philippine economy with export receipts figures, with employing more people in the Philippines, that's why it is also being endorsed and acknowledged by former President Cory Aquino and current President GMA.

FQ products are "gawang Pilipino", proudly Philippine made and export quality that's why FQ made it in the USA.

What more can I say but to support FQ company with a great mission to the Philippines and the Filipino people worldwide.

Thank you for reading and God bless us all.


Note: For more information, please visit www.firstquadrant.org If anyone wants to read detailed infos how the business works you may want to check www.webfrix.com (click Realms of First Quadrant) or check this site too at www.geocities.com/fqjecal
Thank you. Maraming Salamat Po!

[charmedPrue]

Thanks HafaJerry for answering my question. Although I'm already determined to join this company (coz I saw in INQ7.NET that FQ has been cleared of allegations), I was just wondering why FQ hasn't applied yet in DSA for membership. If an MLM company is a DSA membership kasi, people would automatically think that they're completely legal, thus giving an advantage for FQ to invite and actually get more people to join :)

[charmedPrue]

Thanks HafaJerry for answering my question. Although I'm already determined to join this company (coz I saw in INQ7.NET that FQ has been cleared of allegations), I was just wondering why FQ hasn't applied yet in DSA for membership. If an MLM company is a DSA membership kasi, people would automatically think that they're completely legal, thus giving an advantage for FQ to invite and actually get more people to join :)

[cybernaut]

Join Legacy for Life! Just like First Quadrant but members are still relatively few! You can be on top of the network and not need to sell anything!

send me a private message

[racketfree]

GOOD NEWS TO ALL FIRST QUADRANT MEMBERS
THE WAIT IS OVER

Finally, DTI, SEC and DSAP together form the ANTI-PYRAMIDING TASK FORCE to clean up pyramid scams in our country starting this august it will be out in the media and press....the purpose of this campain is to help our countrymen who have been fooled by pyramid scam company to get justice

FIRST QUADRANT is first on the list.. mabuhay!!

EVERYTHING IS IN THE FIRST QUADRANT
HURRY JOIN THE FUN
THIS IS GONG TO BE FIRST QUADRANT'S BEST AND LAST YEAR
PLEASE SIGN ME IN NOW... ANYONE WANT TO SIGN ME IN... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE... I'LL EVEN BUY 21 HEADER

CONGRATULATIONS!!! YOUR # 1

[charmedPrue]

racket: hmm... proof please?

[racketfree]

hello

i'll just PM you the proof and info....

[racketfree]

by the way who's paying who in first quadrant? or where is the commissions coming from?

First Quadrant paying your commissions? or new people (your friends) investments paying for your commissions?

i'm really hands up with awe to First Quadrant owner.... all they do is set up the company with products as props and set up a compensation scheme .....for every investor or recruit, you get THE OPPORTUNITY to earn commission and first quadrant gets profit......you work hard to keep recruiting for more investor for commission and first quadrant gets more profit for each recruit of your friends.... WHAT IF THE RECRUITING or INVESTING STOP! what will happen to multitel...ooopps i mean first quadrant? anyone?

Hope that when this thing blows and out sa media, Carlos Agassi will pop out and shout VICTIM! and then return all the money and say it's all just a show so that no one gets hurt. and the amount of 400,000 plus memers x P1,000 first quadrant get from each investor will be return.....the biggest reality show ever done.............

what! FQ gets P400,000,000... no wonder there's JC Martin, Proest, Legacy for Life, igen portal.... those kind of business owner knows that there is a big market demand for this kind of investing to help them make BIG i mean really BIG profit in a very short time........they are very very smart business people ....

just a survey out of the 400,000 plus members how many gets a check? the minimum check of P1,000

so how is this helping our economy? anyone?

[wpg3]

wag kayong mag alala, lahat ng manloloko kakarmahin din

[MEM2]

Hi People! Ako pala si Don. Full Time po ako sa First Quadrant. Kaya kung sinuman ang interesadong maging kapartner sa negosyo, asahan nyo ang buong suporta ng grupo namin dahil isa ako sa mga nagfufull time dito sa FQ. Heto po and contact number ko: 0922-8881981. Ang Email ko po ay donronaldlim@yahoo.com

Alam po ba ninyo ang Jollibee Ortigas (beside madison st)? Dun po ang tambayan ng grupo namin. Kaya kung kailangan po ninyo ng anumang tulong. Nandun lang kami.

Mabuhay at Godspeed sa lahat :)

[polsantos]

Hi guys, member din ako ng FQ. Ive been a member for 2 weeks pa lang and i've really been rewarded well for my efforts. Kahit na ani pa ang sabihin ng ibang tao tungkol dito sa pinasok ko, hindi ko na papansinin kasi it has really been helpful. Dun naman sa mga members na nagsasabing walang future dito, siguro depende na sa effort na gagawin mo. Bakit ko nasabi? kasi kami kumikita eh. Depende siguro sa nasalihan mong group. Kase our group devotes most of our free time para dito and we believe in the business. Yun lang naman yon eh. Maniwala ka lang.

Dun sa mga skeptics pa rin hanggang ngayon, tingin nyo ba makakapag bukas ng main office to sa Califronia kong hindi to legit? and the company has been going for 2 years na. It won 3 awards already and is being endorsed by Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and Corazon Aquino. Dun sa mga willing maniwala, kung ako sa inyo give it a try. Malaking tulong talaga.

[polsantos]

Hi racketfree...I'd like to see your proof too.

[whafoong...]

have you guys ever heard of IGEN-Portal?

[MEM2]

IGEN-Portal is an alliance of 4 companies:

IGENESYS - Matagal na ito, web scheme sya dati just like Forever Living

PORTAL INNOVATION - Sangkot ito sa Powerhomes at E-Card Scam

MANELS - Product Provider

LORDSWILL MOVEMENT

-------------------------------------

IGENESYS and PORTAL INNOVATIONS are failed companies merged with the other two. Ngayon naging IGEN-PORTAL. Hmmm... baket papalit palit ng pangalan ang company? Beware.

GIFT CHECK nila dati walang expiration, ngayon lalagyan na nila, kasi marami kasi natatambakan ng GIFT CHECK.

[MEM2]

Originally posted by cybernaut
Join Legacy for Life! Just like First Quadrant but members are still relatively few! You can be on top of the network and not need to sell anything!

send me a private messageCorrection. September 4, 2002 nagstart ang Legacy, that's only 8 months after First Quadrant. You can check that sa Legacy Office. It's a public document.

[boogerflicker]

ano latest dito?

[crzkent]

guys kailangan ko *** ng tulong

i need extra icome to support my family.

matagal ko na naririnig itong FQ na to.

and this fast few week eh may mga kakilala pa rin akong nagiinvite sakin.

just want to know kung ok pa rin bang maging member ng FIRST QUADRANT?

gusto ko *** nmn makibalita tungkol dito.

tnx...

[charmedPrue]

if you don't have anyone who you are positively sure who'll join, don't join. kasi hindi ka rin tutulungan ng uplines mo, like what they claimed when they were recruiting you. kahit kamag-anak mo pa yan. my upline was my long-time bf's relatives, pero hindi nila ako tinutulungan. the "tulong" they're giving me is bigyan nila ako ng downlines ngayon pero i have to recruit para mabayaran sila. i don't think tulong yun. mappressure pa ako. and ayoko rin dagdagan ang pagkakamali ko. ayoko rin naman magrecruit ng mga kaibigan ngayong wala pa nangyayari sakin (ni isang singko wala pa bumabalik sakin). hindi ako ganun ka-garapal.

if you're the type na ma-PR and can tell kwentong barbero stuff, o kaya naman experienced in hard-core selling, i think kikita ka dito. pero if you're like me who prefers to verify first if the program works before recruiting, i suggest do not join kasi hindi ka talga kikita unless magrecruit ka.

just my experience. fyi, i'm a member for more than a month now.

if you want to earn additional income, go for the usual stuff. direct selling or buy and sell. or u can make stuff you can sell. at least dun kahit singko may babalik ***.

[titaniumarked]

ang mga Instik kaya successful na businessmen ang mga yan dahil naniniwala sila sa pagsisikap at hindi sa mga madalian o shortcuts.;)

kaya madaming nabibiktimang Pinoyz dahil karamihan gustong shortcut.:ayaw:

[MEM2]

kaya madaming nabibiktimang Pinoyz dahil karamihan gustong shortcut.Korek ka dyan! mga lotto, multitel, taya sa nba, pba, uaap, etc. kahit illegal, basta shortcut, ginagawa ng pinoy. mga smuggled products, etc.

[LundaginMoBaby]

korekek!!! :)

[rmv]

hmmm... hey guys, 8 mos. na ako sa FQ and I tell you grabe ang naibigay ng tulong sa family ko FQ. malaki kitaan but you really have to work hard. kumbaga... ito para sa masipag, matiyaga may determinasyon at may diskarte. of course it depends a lot on the group na sasalihan mo. kaya lang parang hindi yata maganda yong upline na tutlungan ka pero ipressure ka magrecruit para mabayaran mo sila...hmmm.

ito naman walang pwersahan, marami dyan nagmember only to enjoy the 50% discount at direct selling ang ginagawa, i know somebody from cagayan na dito nagfofocus kasi big time customers nya.

all i can say is that kahit anong legitimate mlm pasukan mo, nasa sa iyo talaga how you are going to work it out. total it's your own business... swerte mo lang pag talagang comitted ang uplines mo para tulungan ka.

my husband who worked in the government service for 8 years e nagresign na at fulltime FQ na kasi we have comitted ourselves to our downlines. kung gusto mo sali ka sa group namin and we'll help you build your network.

[strutbar]

pagaralan mong mabuti yung business process nila.
then pagaralan mo din yung galaw nung nag rerecruit s yo.
kung s tingin mong pababayaan k lang nya pagkatapos mong mag sign up... better yet hanap k ng ibang magandang upline dyan..

pag wala try mo tong JC Martin Corp namin... :)
PM me n lang

[blakedaddy]

If you're really interested in joining this group, feel free to PM me :)

[berdengITIM]

Kung hindi ga makapal ang mukha nyo, dont ever push your self or magpauto sa matatamis nilang dila na sumali sa ganitong business... It's really a waste of money and pagminalas pa kayo sira ang buhay nyo...If you're an employee ididiscourage nila kayo na kesyo wala daw future sa pagiging employee... mga ganung pang-uuto ga... Tapos magpapromise na tutulungan ga kayo...hay naku wag kayong umasa sa mga ganyang tao...ALa eh they are only fooling you...

Marami ga akong kakilala na sumasali sa ganitong business. Yung isa ere nasira yung family nila kasi yung babae nauto na sumali naniwala naman na yayaman daw sya at magiging milyonaryo... yun sinanla yung bahay at pati yung ibang gamit nila para mag-3 heads. Nung una excited kasi halos araw-araw nagseseminar at nadala sa mga pang-uuto...Hindi makatulog kasi atat na atat yumaman...Hanggang dumaan ang ilang linggo, buwan at ngayon nga ata mag iisang taon na pero yung pinuhunan nya wala pa sa 1/4 na nababawi... Yun nagalit yung asawa, nagsisihan at nag-away at ngayon nga yung babae sa sobrang hiya ata umuwi na lang sa probinsya at iniwan yung pamilya kasi puro utang at yung bahay nila nakasanla... Siguro laking pagsisisi nya at sumali sya sa ganyang business na hindi man lang inisip kung kaya ba nyang mag-uto ng tao tulad ng iba....
Isang halimbawa lang yan ng dulot ng pagsasali-sali sa MLM...Marami pa akong alam na kwento ng buhay na nasira dahil sa pagsali sa MLM.

LET'S ALL ACCEPT NA SA MLM KUNG SINO YUNG PIONER AT MAKAPAL ANG MUKHA SYA LANG YUNG NAGIGING MALIGAYA...
KAYA IF I WERE YOU...THINK MORE THAN TEN TIMES KUNG TALAGANG KAYA NYONG I-TAKE YUNG RISK NG MLM...

YUN LANG PO AT MABUHAY...
"BE CONTENTED ON WHAT YOU HAVE!"

AVOID FOOLING PEOPLE FOR YOU OWN SAKE!!! YUN LANG PO....

[crzkent]

thanks for all your reply.
this week baka imeet ko *** nagiinvite sakin.
kikilatisin ko na rin kung gaano kasuportive *** group nila
baka mamaya pag naisipan kong mag join eh pabayaan na lang nila ako. masyadong maraming pressure sa work ko pero di well compensated kaya eto naghahanap ng pagkakakitaan para nmn mas makatulong sa pamilya.

[blakedaddy]

tama yan, aralin mo kasi you really have to work as a group. if you want, you can also PM me or give me a call and pakilala rin kita sa group ko which is very supportive

Originally posted by crzkent
thanks for all your reply.
this week baka imeet ko *** nagiinvite sakin.
kikilatisin ko na rin kung gaano kasuportive *** group nila
baka mamaya pag naisipan kong mag join eh pabayaan na lang nila ako. masyadong maraming pressure sa work ko pero di well compensated kaya eto naghahanap ng pagkakakitaan para nmn mas makatulong sa pamilya.

[berdengITIM]

naku...wag kang maniwala sa mga yan...honestly, sa panahon ngayon hindi ka na kikita sa MLM. magsisisi ka lang pag sumali ka dyan. para ka lang kumuha ng bato na ipupukpok mo sa sarili mo. oo, sa una medyo exciting yan kasi yung mga matatamis na dila ng mga nagrerecruit sayo like yung iba dyan... kesyo, tutulungan ka at hindi ka pababayaan, naku gagamitin ka lang nyan para marecruit yung mga family members mo, mga co-workers, relatives mo etc. tapos ikaw pa sisihin ng mga yan pag hindi sila yumaman. *** kung ako sayo, wag kang maglalabas ng 8880 or 7000. sayang lang yan... ikaw rin bahala ka...sasakit lang ulo mo sa kaiisip na yumaman...

[charmedPrue]

tama ka jan! nagsisi talaga ako. ako pa ngayon sinisisi na kaya ayaw ako tulungan e kasi wala naman daw ako nagagawa para sa grupo. hello! pano ako makakagawa e kung hindi nila ako tutulungan?

anyway, i'm done with this. charge it to experience nalang

[earnmore$$$]

hello,

try mo ako visit in my office. UNIT 201 Emerald Building Ortigas Center Pasig City... i will show you how u will earn with my company. we are 2 week old. just strted and we got a very phenomenal products... look for VIc

[Droc]

malaki ba kitaan dito???may alam kc me mas malaki ang kitaan kesa dito...

[blakedaddy]

OO naman proud to say that we're the #1 MLM company in the pHilippines and growing worldwide.

Originally posted by Droc
malaki ba kitaan dito???may alam kc me mas malaki ang kitaan kesa dito...

[blakedaddy]

Alam nyo, asa inyo parin naman ang disisyon kung gusto nyo kumita o hindi. Ang mga nag invite sa inyo, syempre gusto ka nila tulungan pero ikaw, kung ayaw mo kumita, e syempre hindi ka kikita. Eto lang iyon, aalain mo lang kung ano ang ginagawa ng mga kumikita para kumita ka rin, e kung aalamin mo ang ginawa ng mga hindi kumita, syempre hindi ka kikita.

[unlawful_evil]

ikaw na rin nagsabi, kailangan mo mag recruit para kumita. tapos ayaw mo mag recruit. anong kita inaasahan mo? fyi. di pa ako member nf FQ. Iniipon ko pa pang join ko. =D


<snip> and ayoko rin dagdagan ang pagkakamali ko. ayoko rin naman magrecruit ng mga kaibigan ngayong wala pa nangyayari sakin (ni isang singko wala pa bumabalik sakin). hindi ako ganun ka-garapal.

if you're the type na ma-PR and can tell kwentong barbero stuff, o kaya naman experienced in hard-core selling, i think kikita ka dito. <snip> hindi ka talga kikita unless magrecruit ka.

[unlawful_evil]

Originally posted by berdengITIM
naku...wag kang maniwala sa mga yan...honestly, sa panahon ngayon hindi ka na kikita sa MLM. magsisisi ka lang pag sumali ka dyan. para ka lang kumuha ng bato na ipupukpok mo sa sarili mo. oo, sa una medyo exciting yan kasi yung mga matatamis na dila ng mga nagrerecruit sayo like yung iba dyan... kesyo, tutulungan ka at hindi ka pababayaan, naku gagamitin ka lang nyan para marecruit yung mga family members mo, mga co-workers, relatives mo etc. tapos ikaw pa sisihin ng mga yan pag hindi sila yumaman. *** kung ako sayo, wag kang maglalabas ng 8880 or 7000. sayang lang yan... ikaw rin bahala ka...sasakit lang ulo mo sa kaiisip na yumaman...

i think an 8000 pesos investment is worth a lifetime of 50% shopping discount. saka if you're contented with a less than 20K salary per month, stick with your job. But if you would like an opportunity to earn more than 100K a week, and you have the determination to make it happen, pwede ka na rin magsugal ng 8k. Di mo naman ikakahirap habam buhay ang 8k.

[graphire]

Originally posted by unlawful_evil
i think an 8000 pesos investment is worth a lifetime of 50% shopping discount. saka if you're contented with a less than 20K salary per month, stick with your job. But if you would like an opportunity to earn more than 100K a week, and you have the determination to make it happen, pwede ka na rin magsugal ng 8k. Di mo naman ikakahirap habam buhay ang 8k.

Tama ka jan. definitely worth your investment. Di ako nagsisi sa pagjoin ko sa FQ. Kahit na gamitin mo na lang for personal use yung privilege mo na 50% discount, sulit ka na. Di lang yan... marami pa silang upcoming product range, like appliances and grocery items. Imagine getting 50% discounts on all these items. No need to go to the malls and wait for them to bargain non-moving stocks. Also heard that they are putting up their own mall type shop. If anyone is interested to join you may contact me at 0916-5213377. Our group is very active and supportive.

[chime_fem]

not worth it, ang dami kong kakilala, its just a waste of time n money, f i wer u dnt join nalang... make a small business nalang on ur own kaysa join networking... mga kakilala ko sayang lang mga pera nla...

[che_france]

di lahat nang nagtayo ng sari sari store kumita,di lahat ng nag-japan yumaman,sa lahat ng bagay na gagawin natin sipag,tiyaga,diskarte ang kailangan.sa akin naman, maganda ang binunga ng FQ,bukod sa networking,hataw din sa direct selling ng mga branded shoes like fred perry,newport,valentino,floursheim at fila.okay na okay sa sideline,but dont quit ur day job agad agad.Wala naman talaga losers sa FQ,quitters lang.Yun iba kse,ayaw magbenta,eh direct selling nga un #1 way to earn. eh ***** october pasok na cinderella kaya un mga apparels dami pagpipilian,lalo na yan magpapasko,sino ang hindi magreregalo at bibili sa para sa sarili. Un naf naf jeans,may mga orders na nga ako pati osh kosh pang bata.Kaya i encourage u to try direct selling ng branded items, quality pa di 2lad ng mga mumurahin at japex na loius vuitton na mga bag at pekeng made in china na sapatos,sus,kakahiya wala pang ilang buwan nakanganga na! up to now nga nasa akin pa un 3000 product package voucher,1 yr. naman un d mag-expire,pang pasko.God bless&nawa'y mahanap natin ang business para sa atin,maliit o malaki,nasa sa atin pa rin kung paano papalaguin.:)

[charmedPrue]

saan ba pipiliin pang-avail dun sa 3k product package voucher? sheesh, parang wala ako nung catalog na un a...

and may bago nang lumabas nung september na catalog, right? lumabas na ba?

[graphire]

Korek Che_France! Kahit anong business merong umaasenso merong nalulugi. It all depends on your attitude, how determined you are in reaching your goals and how hard you work. Ang FQ ay para sa mga masisipag, determinadong umasenso at me pangarap sa buhay. Combined will all these ingredients, guaranteed you'll succeed in this business. To each his own, merong naniniwala sa MLM.. merong hindi. Basta kami ** sa FQ, we believe in ourselves.. we believe in our company.. we believe we're on the road to financial freedom. FQ BAs unite! power!

[graphire]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
saan ba pipiliin pang-avail dun sa 3k product package voucher? sheesh, parang wala ako nung catalog na un a...

and may bago nang lumabas nung september na catalog, right? lumabas na ba?

CharmedPrue... meron na bagong catalog for the last quarter. Baka next week ata labas nung bago. Dami nga excited sa new catalogue. I heard there are a lot of well known brands included in the new catalog. Di ko pa lang maconfirm, i have yet to see the new catalog.

[charmedPrue]

thanks :) pa-update nalang po kung meron na bago :) wlang kwenta kasi uplines ko. hehehe :D

[graphire]

CharmedPrue. Join ka sa FQPC forum site at www.firstquadrantphilippines.com (http://www.firstquadrantphilippines.com) para updated ka on everything about FQ. Also calling all FQ BAs. Join our FQ online community and see all the fun you've been missing. :)

[blakedaddy]

musta mga guys? sa mga members, kaninong grupo kayo? I belong to the FQ synergy group ni Arbee Obnial at Mel Clarion. how about you guys?

Tama yan it all starts in the attitude, kung madali kayo ma discourage at madali kayo mag give up, wal talagang mangyayari. Marami din ang di kumita sa FQ pero bakit yun ang aalamin nyo? bakit di nyo alamin ano ang ginagawa ng mga kumikita

[graphire]

hello blakedaddy. I belong to the group of Mark Alcantara of the Las Piñas group. Di ko lang alam kung *** super uplines nila. Anyway ok naman ang group, mejo malayo nga lang sila from my place kasi im from manila pa. But pag kelangan naman ng support kahit saan andun sila. Tama ka bro. Focus your energy on the positive side para umasenso, and you will eventually eliminate lahat ng negatives.

[Droc]

how bout 640,000 a month??? much more ba *** sa FQ sa 480,000??? walang masama kung mageextend ka ng network mo sa ibang company...the more company, the more checks! same effort!!!

[charmedPrue]

thanks graphire :)

[charmedPrue]

graphire, i just joined FQ Forum. Ano *** dollars na na-eearn ko? wala lang? or u can actually spend it?

[marlo_kalbo]

Hmm... I don't wanna be too negative nor too positive, but I moderate a yahoogroup discussing income sources and finances.

Here's my post about a recent solicitation that I was under:



First Quadrant and Mission and Purpose


Ok, I was invited again to a First Quadrant presentation by a friend.

I can say that the presentation was very attractive. They showed me lots of checques. Hehehe... I know that was REALLY attractive.

But what was this presentation really appealing to? To my rational mind, or to my emotions, to my greed?

Tell me, what decisions have we made, that's emotional in nature, that have been good for us in the long run?

When angry, what have we done? Haven't we seen numerous times that an enraged husband kills when in such an emotional state only to repent later?
What illogical decisions have you made when you were angry? When you were elated? When you were in need?

What is my Mission and Purpose in life?

What is Mission and Purpose?

What guides businesses all throughout its existence to be successful?

Compare, say in a shoe manufacturing business:
My mission and purpose in life(in this business) is to make $500 M in one year.
My mission and purpose in life(in this business) is to let people see and decide that our company is committed to the quality of our shoes.

What emotion does the first mission and purpose drive at?
GREED. plain and simple.

How will this affect decision making for this business?

Ok, an example. Suppose I were to make a shoe. The current margin is say 500 pesos (1/56th of a dollar in current exchange rates). And suppose I am selling 120,000 of those shoes in one year.

So I am making 60 Million pesos in one year, or about $1 Million/year (of course we don't reduce from this other expenses, to make analysis simpler)

If my M&P was to make $500 M in one year, a decision to raise the price of each shoe by $499 is very much REASONABLE to the first M&P. (yes this is an exaggeration, but I hope you get what I mean)

REASONABLE. Why? Because of the M&P.

How sustainable will this decision be? How long will customers trust my company?

Using the 2nd M&P as my guide, I won't try to make any decisions that will jeopardize the business in the long term.

How many customers will I enrage by raising my products to skyrocket prices?

What is your mission and purpose?

What is your mission and purpose if you join 1st Quadrant?

Where does the money earned in 1st Quadrant come from?

To answer this, the presenters (well one of them is my friend) admittedly told me that it came from recruits.

I tried to ask if there was reason to believe that 1st Quadrant is a legitimate network marketing company, that it will be sustainable even without the entry of new members.

But they didn't tell me that.

I asked how big a chunk were earnings from product sales from their total earnings. They said very minimal. And I agree. We agreed.

So how sustainable is it? What is critical mass?

Why will I join a company if the long term view isn't promising?
What is the ratio of EARNING members from NON-EARNING members?
Where do earning members get their income?
why will I want to earn out of other people's misery?

It makes no sense to me. Only to my greed.

Btw, by 'rational' I mean one that is purely rational.

We rationalize every time we make a terrible, emotional decision:
(I am not a smoker)
Premise "I like to smoke."
Antithesis "It's bad for the health."
Rationalization "People will die anyway."

Premise "I'd like to earn from 1st Q."
Antithesis "You'll only earn alot out of recruits."
Rationalization "I am helping them. I am helping my country. I am helping the Marikina shoe industry."

My reply "You are selling a promise, a promise that people will earn, when in reality, the structure doesn't support it, the structure doesn't support long-term success."

...But of course since Franchising also charge Franchise fees, it is OK for Network Marketing companies to charge for membership.

This is me rationalizing after GREED kicked in to me, hehehehe, but I went back to my M&P, which is:
"To let people see and decide that I am committed to their financial wellfare."

And I believe it will guide me in the long-term for long-term success.

Just read about how businesses great and small close down due largely to an invalid M&P.

True, some of them have short-term successes, and they were indeed great successes, but eventually they fall, unless they restructure their M&Ps, and from there restructure their businesses.

An example:
Who is the most successful investor of all time?
What guides his everyday decision making?
If it were "TO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY", how open, "weak" is he to invest in a stock that is potentially profitable in the short-term since the demand is up, yet the company isn't solid?
But Buffett doesn't make such emotional decisions.

The analogy to first Q:
How open, "weak" are we all to invest in a company that is potentially profitable, but only if some other people doesn't earn from it?
How open, "weak" are we to make money knowing that some will not earn?

Why will we want to earn from other people's misery?
Why will we want to earn knowing that some people won't?

But of course that's just one side of the coin. An emotion may be driving this message. (compassion)

I've seen the catalogs, and true, there are products there that are priced fairly.

I will still look into that.

(Member sha dito, paging... pwedeng mahiram *** catalogs. Yung pricelist lang... kung pwedeng email pwede rin.)

I really want everyone's opinion about this. Please share your minds.

Your comments, pwede **, but it is better if you join the Y!group...

You can email me here:
MarloSison@gmail.com

-Marlo

[che_france]

tama ka marlo,tanungin mo muna sarili mo,ano ba **** mo?ano ba purpose mo sa pagsali(kung sakali),important yan. Tama rin yan,look at the catalogue of FQ at pricelist:) , lalabas na un october catalogue,i'll get mine sa sat.,medyo alam ko na rin ang mga madadagdag na products/brands pero mas mabuti makita ko b4 ko i-confirm sa mga nagtatanong. Ako kse, b4 pa ko nag-join sa FQ,user na ko ng products nila,mahilig ako sa shoes eh:*) alam mo na,babae hehehe,kaya *****,mas dumamai pa collections ko,am also doing direct selling aside form networking. Goodluck syo at sana mahanap mo ang hinahanap mo.God Bless;)

[che_france]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
saan ba pipiliin pang-avail dun sa 3k product package voucher? sheesh, parang wala ako nung catalog na un a...

and may bago nang lumabas nung september na catalog, right? lumabas na ba?

FQ voucher worth 3000-can be used 2 purchase selected products in the FQPI showroom. choose from special sets of product lines from current&new brands from Special Product package Catalogue(un mas maliit na catalouge),check mo sa kit mo.meron newport bags,fred perry sandals/shoes,make-up,towels,jewelries,depende sa set.:)

[charmedPrue]

che_france: thanks! un ba yung green leaflet na dun nakalagay *** mga prices? meron dung mga sets sa likod, un ba un? pero *** jewelries wala sya pictures e. *** mga worth 1.8k lang. san ko ba makukuha pictures nun? thanks ulit! super clueless ako!

[che_france]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
che_france: thanks! un ba yung green leaflet na dun nakalagay *** mga prices? meron dung mga sets sa likod, un ba un? pero *** jewelries wala sya pictures e. *** mga worth 1.8k lang. san ko ba makukuha pictures nun? thanks ulit! super clueless ako!

[che_france]

Originally posted by che_france


charmedprue,that green leaflet is the SPPC.dba u got 6 FQvouchers??500 worth isa un kaya 3000 lahat. each set corresponds to the d/c>>setA=500,setB=1000,setC=2000,setD= 3000.refer 2d pricelist(blue book,last page) 4d prices of the items on the SPPC.Let's say u chose set A,newport slip ons(sandals) 4 men,its worth 799,its d/c is 500 kse its setA,kaya 299 na lang cash-out mo.The vouchers have an expiry date of 1 yr. from the date of issuance,kaya save it for christmas kung **** mo lang. nadadagdagan din ang mga items na applicable ang vouchers na yan,just check the FQ showroom.Un mga jewelries naman,sets C&D yan.Ganda un white gold bracelet w/heart charm,refer to pricelist na lang.Try the make up rin,ganda ng quality, non-comedogenic kaya un mga prone to pimples,ok na ok to! superb ang 2 way foundation,mas mura pa sa maybelline kaya nag switch na ko.:)

[charmedPrue]

che_france: super thanks talaga! i'll try to get a-hold of the blue book. wala ako nun sa kit ko e..

[Droc]

ang baba naman ng mga vouchers...wala bang mas mataas???3000 lang????

[graphire]

Marlo_kalbo. I like the way you analyze things. That's a good sign that you'll be heading success very soon. Mission and purpose is vital to any task. People who live the happiest and most fulfilling lives all have more than just a sense of mission, they are ON a mission.

Every success in network marketing company has had a "cause" or mission. Sometimes a mission revolves around a product, and sometimes it revolves around personal growth and development. More often than not, a company's mission is a combination of the two. Which is in the case of First Quadrant. Kaya nga aside from their mission of helping people who chose to be in the Business Quadrant (R. Kiyosaki's Cashflow Quadrant) succeed, build their own pipelines to move beyond job security and begin to achieve financial security... FQ's tagline "Everything is in the First Quadrant" is focused naman on bringing a wide range of quality products that will satisfy each and everyone's needs.

[blakedaddy]

We also have a group in LP, PQue and alabang. If you want, daan ka sa meeting namin minsan. Feel free to call me 09189306391, nga pala how long ka na and how much na earnings mo per week?

Originally posted by graphire
hello blakedaddy. I belong to the group of Mark Alcantara of the Las Piñas group. Di ko lang alam kung *** super uplines nila. Anyway ok naman ang group, mejo malayo nga lang sila from my place kasi im from manila pa. But pag kelangan naman ng support kahit saan andun sila. Tama ka bro. Focus your energy on the positive side para umasenso, and you will eventually eliminate lahat ng negatives.

[che_france]

Originally posted by blakedaddy
musta mga guys? sa mga members, kaninong grupo kayo? I belong to the FQ synergy group ni Arbee Obnial at Mel Clarion. how about you guys?

Tama yan it all starts in the attitude, kung madali kayo ma discourage at madali kayo mag give up, wal talagang mangyayari. Marami din ang di kumita sa FQ pero bakit yun ang aalamin nyo? bakit di nyo alamin ano ang ginagawa ng mga kumikita

ako naman,from RIGHT QUADRANT under uplines mel&cora medel,kami un nag-si-sizzle sa OB monthly. Wala pa ko 3 months pero ok naman bawing bawi kahit part tym lang. Nga pala babalik sa states si upline mel after ng launching ng oct catalogue,i'll know the details tom sa sizzle. under construction na ang www.rightquadrant.com :) God bless

[marlo_kalbo]

So where do 1st Quadrant members earn most?

-Marlo

[che_france]

Originally posted by marlo_kalbo
So where do 1st Quadrant members earn most?

-Marlo

sir,depends on ur focus po,marami r doing both networking&direct selling. u can visit www.firstquadrantphilippines.com 4 updates sa mga new lines of products.Nag launch po kame ng oct.catalogue sa westin last oct8,piolo pascual po ang cover,314 pages(series 9 holiday collection),un po kase series 8 has only 214 pages.Next year, may grocery items&appliances na po kaya naman nag ground breaking na para sa i-o-open na mall ng FIRST QUADRANT sa pasig(ortigas center) 5000 sq.m 2 accomodate d growing #s of BAs. Masikip na un FQ sa greenhills. After the california&hongkong branch,un sa dubai po i-open na formally(although nag o-operate na) sometime this yr.
Take care&God bless:)

[graphire]

Originally posted by che_france
sir,depends on ur focus po,marami r doing both networking&direct selling. u can visit www.firstquadrantphilippines.com 4 updates sa mga new lines of products.Nag launch po kame ng oct.catalogue sa westin last oct8,piolo pascual po ang cover,314 pages(series 9 holiday collection),un po kase series 8 has only 214 pages.Next year, may grocery items&appliances na po kaya naman nag ground breaking na para sa i-o-open na mall ng FIRST QUADRANT sa pasig(ortigas center) 5000 sq.m 2 accomodate d growing #s of BAs. Masikip na un FQ sa greenhills. After the california&hongkong branch,un sa dubai po i-open na formally(although nag o-operate na) sometime this yr.
Take care&God bless:)

:) Kaya nga wag na humirit yung iba jan na sasabihing hindi product driven and First Quadrant. Ayan po ang ebidensya na kumikita sa pagbebenta ng products sa First Quadrant dahil kung hindi, they wont bother to expand their product line-ups and put up their own mall. Di na talaga kaya pang pigilan ang paglaki ng FQ. Kaya join na lang kayo!

[che_france]

for those BAs who werent able 2 attend d product launching 4d october catalogue(holiday collection,series 9) at the westin phil. plaza last oct.8,u can check www.firstquadrantphilippines.com for details. Be updated re: ma'am doyee's announcements. God Bless:)

[marlo_kalbo]

Ok I just joined...

:)

I saw how the products were selling like hotcakes...

-Marlo

[che_france]

Originally posted by marlo_kalbo
Ok I just joined...

:)

I saw how the products were selling like hotcakes...

-Marlo

u bet;)
btw,from what grp. r u??
check out www.firstquadrantphilippines.com
God Bless

[m1awok]

che_france, how often do you go sa office sa greenhills? active ka ba dito? I have a question lang, totoo ba na may additional gift voucher na P3,000.00 and how can you get it. The thruth is I've been a member last 2002, pioneer nga ako but di ko siya naasikaso so wala akong kinita, tsaka yung 1k or 2k na voucher di ko pa nakukuha, pumunta ko dun last June kaya lang they are asking me the receipt e sa sobrang tagal na nun nawala na e ngayon affidavit naman ang hinihingi nila nwey, may kakilala ka ba dun na pwede kung malapitan. tnx.

[che_france]

Originally posted by m1awok
che_france, how often do you go sa office sa greenhills? active ka ba dito? I have a question lang, totoo ba na may additional gift voucher na P3,000.00 and how can you get it. The thruth is I've been a member last 2002, pioneer nga ako but di ko siya naasikaso so wala akong kinita, tsaka yung 1k or 2k na voucher di ko pa nakukuha, pumunta ko dun last June kaya lang they are asking me the receipt e sa sobrang tagal na nun nawala na e ngayon affidavit naman ang hinihingi nila nwey, may kakilala ka ba dun na pwede kung malapitan. tnx.

hi there!! punta ko FQ sa sat,kuha ko check. about ur Q, if am not mistaken,un FQVoucher worth 3000 ay binigay sa mga old&new members,so kung 2002 ka pa,u can claim it but d prob is ur OR,sbi mo u lost it na???if SPA is needed,wala naman prob kse dun mismo sa FQ bldg natin may mga lawyers/notary,pagawa ka na lang ng SPA,its 50 lang naman,tell the lawyer kung ano prob at alam na nila un,so dont worry.Alam mo naman un BA number mo ryt???if not,punta ka genealogy(MIS ofc. sa groung floor), bait naman mga tao dun. Un mga lawyers dun sa harap,mababait un,pede mo *** i-approach. ayaw mo ba maging active ulit??? visit www.firstquadrantphilippines.com for the FQ updates esp about sa FQ mall na malapit na. Take care&God bless:)

[m1awok]

Tnx che_france, gusto ko nga na maging active uli kaso para akong nangangapa sa dilim dahil walang silbi yung upline ko pagka recruit sa kin ayun babu na! Mabuti pa nga kayo may website, pwede kayang lumipat? sana pwede noh! tanong mo naman......Tsaka question uli kasi wala din akong ID, nung pumunta ako dun why are they asking me for P1k just for a lost id coz i declared it as lost dahil nga di ko na alam kung nasaan, e di ko kinuha kasi wala pa nga akong kinikita gagastos na naman ako eh 1k din yun noh!

[blakedaddy]

you can sell your membership or you can buy a new membership. I just don't know if you buy a new membership if you can use your name or you should use another name, preferrably a member of your immediate family. You can still claim it by using an SPA (special power of attorney) form. If you need any more help, just feel free to contact me (09189306391) and I'll be glad to help you out.

Originally posted by m1awok
Tnx che_france, gusto ko nga na maging active uli kaso para akong nangangapa sa dilim dahil walang silbi yung upline ko pagka recruit sa kin ayun babu na! Mabuti pa nga kayo may website, pwede kayang lumipat? sana pwede noh! tanong mo naman......Tsaka question uli kasi wala din akong ID, nung pumunta ako dun why are they asking me for P1k just for a lost id coz i declared it as lost dahil nga di ko na alam kung nasaan, e di ko kinuha kasi wala pa nga akong kinikita gagastos na naman ako eh 1k din yun noh!

[krisher]

blakedaddy, transferrable ba ang membership sa FQ. Can you really sell your membership, and for how much diba ang new member will get freebies eh! papano kung nagamit na yun?

[m1awok]

hi blakedaddy, tnx sa offer ng help ha ! I appreciate it! kaya lang transferable nga ba ang membership? Actually wala pa akong nakukuhang kahit anong voucher dun, nawala nga ang recibo ko kasi,And one more thing if I transfer pano yung nagiisa kung downline. Di nga rin kumikilos yun eh parehas kami nang yr na nagjoin.

[che_france]

Originally posted by m1awok
Tnx che_france, gusto ko nga na maging active uli kaso para akong nangangapa sa dilim dahil walang silbi yung upline ko pagka recruit sa kin ayun babu na! Mabuti pa nga kayo may website, pwede kayang lumipat? sana pwede noh! tanong mo naman......Tsaka question uli kasi wala din akong ID, nung pumunta ako dun why are they asking me for P1k just for a lost id coz i declared it as lost dahil nga di ko na alam kung nasaan, e di ko kinuha kasi wala pa nga akong kinikita gagastos na naman ako eh 1k din yun noh!

u can always approach any upline,not necessarily un nag-invite syo,but preferably un ka-group mo,kase the more they help u,the more they benefit kaya 2lungan talaga. www.firstquadrantphilippines.com is open not only to webfrix group kaya u can join the forum there,wag ka mahiya. under construction pa un www.rightquadrant.com under super uplines mel&cora medel. Wala ako idea about sa paglipat pero u can always re-enrol para u can choose saan group mo ****& dapat sa active group like mine hehe but of course weigh ur options kse nga naka-enrol kna,sayang money na ni-invest mo so palaguin mo,all u need to do is 2 continue. U sure 1k for the lost ID?? or kasama na un renewal ng countdown privelege card& insurance??d ble i'll ask sa sat,punta ko dun.pati ba un 2k worth of products di mo pa na claim??:)

[blakedaddy]

you can ransfer membership provided wala pang 1 yr ang membership. If you wanna rejoin pwede din yun

[m1awok]

k tnx sa inyo lahat, che-france kasama na ata yung sa insurance, kaya 1k. patanong naman kung pupunta ka dun kung if member ka ng 2002 entitled ka ba dun sa additional na 3k voucher and how will you be able to get it if wala na nga OR. and can you just renew the ID but not the insurance anymore, how much......tnx ha!

[blakedaddy]

yung 3k voucher was added just this year

[neyko]

hey!good morning!Alam mo tama ginawa mo tanong ka muna ng mga feedbacks kasi sayang yung pera iinvest mo pag nagjoin ka.Tingnan mo yung investment versus ROI o return of investment.As you can see napakaliit ng RETURN.Why not look at my business you can do this online kahit wala ka prospects here kikita ka.Tuturuan ka namin kung papano.Maliit lang ang investment sa amin at may money back guarantee pa.Matagal tagal na din ako sa ganito business pero first time ako nakakita ng ganitong Marketing plan.Grabe talaga kahit maliit ang sales dito sa pinas kikita ka ng malaki kasi GLOBAL SHARING ka agad pag nag join ka.Less than 1thousand pa lang members dito sa pinas pero my kumikita na ng 2milyon.Imagine kikita ka sa sales ng Downline mo,sales ng upline mo,sales ng crosslines mo at sa sales ng buong mundo.Saka dito never ka masaturate kasi trillion o higit pa ang prospects mo dahil buong mundo gumagamit ng internet.Unlike FQ limited lang.Wala naman commitment kung gusto mo malaman HOW? mag txt ka lang sa akin Eman name ko 09169878666 o kaya email mo ako sa jenbalani@yahoo.com.Thanks and Good luck!Be open mind dont limit your resources.

[MEM2]

neyko i think you are in the wrong thread.

[che_france]

Originally posted by m1awok
k tnx sa inyo lahat, che-france kasama na ata yung sa insurance, kaya 1k. patanong naman kung pupunta ka dun kung if member ka ng 2002 entitled ka ba dun sa additional na 3k voucher and how will you be able to get it if wala na nga OR. and can you just renew the ID but not the insurance anymore, how much......tnx ha!

hi!! been 2 FQ 2day,friday eh:) mainit init pa:) U need to submit an affidavit of loss(kse nga nawala un OR mo ryt?) Kita mo un notary sa harap ng registration?? dun ka pagawa,submit mo sa MIS office(sa may kuhanan ng genealogy print out,Ground flr) Sa MIS mo rin ma-verify un BA# mo,kse wala ka copy dba?? Un insurance,optional un,ok lang kung ayaw mo na i-renew. Tama 1thou un.Usually kse sa mga active members automatic un renewal nun,babawas na lang sa checks mo pero kung ayaw mo i-renew,no prob;) At dahil ***** ko lang nabasa tong ni-post mo,d ko natanong if un privelege card mo lang ang **** mo i-renew if how much(countdown):*) soweeeeeeeeee,dble babalik pa naman ako eh,sa friday ulit hehe.Take care&God bless:)

PS>>>>>Nga pala,wala sizzle ang Right Quadrant group as of the moment kse halos lahat ng super uplines nasa iba bansa.Like *** mel&cora medel(nasa states ulit para sa FQ International,California branch natin)&ana martisano(nasa australia,nagpapalago ng downlines dun) pero we have BOMs sa McDonalds greenhills every friday 7pm,kita kits na lang:)

[an]

hi there! nice to see that there are a lot of first quadrant members here! hello sa inyong lahat!!! :D

[an]

GOOD MORNING!!!!

I'm from Rio Torres' and Jake Radaza's group. Most of the Top Earners in FQ are from our group.

Those of you who are intersted to listen to any of our talks so you could learn more about First Quadrant, and discover how the TOP Earners do the business, please feel free to send a PM or an email at an_immortal02@excite.com (http://www.excite.com)

we hold our regular FQ business presentations at the different branches of Avenetto/Napoli Pizzeria and at Houseblend Coffee Shop.

i would be more than glad to accompany you to any of the business talks, at a time, date and place that is most convenient to you
:*)

[m1awok]

Hi an, kahit ba hindi from your group, ok lang kung mag attend.
kasi i want to be active again, so i want to attend seminars. and if ever do i have to pay anything

[che_france]

am sure free lang yan mga regular BOM(biz opportunity meetings) na yan,masyado na kse crowded sa FQ greenhills sa dmi ng nag a-attend *** marami ang gumagawa na lang sa ibang venue like un sa avenetto,McDo,jollibee,etc. Like un sa Right quadrant grp,meron BOM&NBAO sa may sunrise condominium.
An,punta ka ba sa sat. sa mega sizzle?(halloween ang theme), as in kung naka-costume ka,mas ok :D Dun yata sa may crossroad 77 near channel 2. Di kse kasya sa OB montessori,malaki un group,Grp ni cary urgino ang organizer
Nga pala,for FQ BAs,if u want a copy of the MLMI(multi-level marketing associaltion Intl.) certificate ng FQ,just PM me,i'll email u:)

[an]

Originally posted by m1awok
Hi an, kahit ba hindi from your group, ok lang kung mag attend.
kasi i want to be active again, so i want to attend seminars. and if ever do i have to pay anything

YUP! it's all for free! all you need to do is listen and learn how the top earners from our group do it. we even conduct SPECIAL TRAININGS for people who want to step up! we also have SIZZLES so you can get to meet and learn from the people from the group. sobrang alaga kami ng uplines namin, and we do the same to our downlines. we do HELP people who are really interested to join even if they are not yet members of our group. :D

just send me an email or PM so i can tell you more about our group. i'd be more than glad to accompany you to any of our talks :*)

[Ramoan]

I am a member of Leonardo Direct Sales, MLM din! Leonardo bags and shoes ang products... my uplines are all from FQ.. yah, they earn some from FQ kaso nahihirapan na sila, dhil npakasaturated na sa FQ, 800,000 plusses na ang members... so instead, lahat ng possible prospect mu, nagiging suspect ***... kasi pg inoferan mu sila, most likely, they already heard of it or worse, they are already a member, in real world, ALL FQ members are competitors to each other... you are all competing to recruit in order to earn, survival of the fittest kumbaga... *** *** mga upline ko nag join din sa Leonardo's. tz not a bad idea though, you can earn from FQ or Leonardo's same effort *** nmn, same system... ngayn, they earn more sa Leonardo's nde na sila masyado active sa FQ. ngayn, almost all my upline kinacareer ang Leonardo's kasi mas konti plng ang members, 5,000+ plng *** ** compared sa FQ that has 800K members.. san ka pa sasali? sa bangkang marami na ang sakay *** palubog na? o dun sa bangkang *** p masyadong sakay pero pareho lang ang biyahe? PM me for more details...

[krisher]

You know what ramoan, I guess you're in the wrong thread, better start your own thread na lang, so my unsolicited advise to you is stop saying" bad things" to other MLM Co. if you want to get your own downline do it in a nice & decent way without paninira sa ibang mlm co. .... If you want to promote and get people to join your mlm co. Leonardo ba kamo then, by all means do it, in another thread nga lang bec. this thread is for FQ, di mo ba nabasa yung title ng thread....Yun lang po! FISH TAYO!

[MEM2]

I am a member of Leonardo Direct Sales, MLM din! Leonardo bags and shoes ang products... my uplines are all from FQ.. yah, they earn some from FQ kaso nahihirapan na sila, dhil npakasaturated na sa FQ, 800,000 plusses na ang members... so instead, lahat ng possible prospect mu, nagiging suspect ***... kasi pg inoferan mu sila, most likely, they already heard of it or worse, they are already a member, in real world, ALL FQ members are competitors to each other... you are all competing to recruit in order to earn, survival of the fittest kumbaga... *** *** mga upline ko nag join din sa Leonardo's. tz not a bad idea though, you can earn from FQ or Leonardo's same effort *** nmn, same system... ngayn, they earn more sa Leonardo's nde na sila masyado active sa FQ. ngayn, almost all my upline kinacareer ang Leonardo's kasi mas konti plng ang members, 5,000+ plng *** ** compared sa FQ that has 800K members.. san ka pa sasali? sa bangkang marami na ang sakay *** palubog na? o dun sa bangkang *** p masyadong sakay pero pareho lang ang biyahe? PM me for more details...FYQ: 481,000 palang ang members ng FQ globally. Saan mo nakuha yung 800,000?

[blakedaddy]

Tanong lang, kung lumulubog na ang FQ, bakit palakas ng palakas? Saka bakit mo nasabi na agawan sa FQ? I can tell you that sa FQ, kahit di kikita, tutulungan ka pa.

[blakedaddy]

hmm.. kung saturated na pala ang FQ e di paano pa nakakakuha ang mga ibang MLM kasi when you say saturated, that means ubos na so kung talagang saturated na ang market, e di dapat wala naring nakukuha ang ibang MLM companies.... besides, there are 84 million Pinoys so in reality, wala pang 1% ng population ang members ng FQ, so marami pa ang hindi na iinvite, marami pa ang hindi nakakarinig, so marami pa ang pwedeng sumali

[che_france]

hayaan nyo yan si ramoan,fishing ginagawa nyan **,baka un ang 2ro sa kanila,** sa FQ mamingwit. may 800,000 pa na nalalaman
:D nahalata 2loy ang intention LOL. pero ok lang,goodluck sa biz mo,make ur own thread para mas may opportunity ka ma-present un ano nga un?basta un biz mo. unsolicited advise din po,do u really need to mention FQ?? anyway,wag mo na sagutin.
peace

[jct513]

hehe.. ayan, kasi ang hilig mangapitbahay ng thread. :). Anyway, talking about FQ. Phenomenon talaga ang FQ, no other MLM has ever achieved what FQ has. Not even half. I just hope that my present group will also get to where FQ is now. Gud luck sa ating lahat. POWER!

[nano]

i agree with you che_france... buti ka pa marunong rumespeto ng business ng iba... di tulad ng "iba" jan... kapamilya mo pa man din kaso alang ginawa sa ibang thread kundi manggulo at mamuna... nahahalata tuloy kung ano ang tinuturo sa kanila ng mga uplines nila or likas lang talaga na ganun sya... pangaralan mo nga....

:)

[jct513]

hehehe.. parang kilala ko yun a. Pangaralan mo nga ate. :)

[Ramoan]

Originally posted by MEM2
FYQ: 481,000 palang ang members ng FQ globally. Saan mo nakuha yung 800,000?

from FQ members themselves... dami ako friends from FQ eh... lahat sila pinag aagawan ako irecruit... thats what i mean by saturation, everybody is your competitor..

[Ramoan]

Originally posted by blakedaddy
Tanong lang, kung lumulubog na ang FQ, bakit palakas ng palakas? Saka bakit mo nasabi na agawan sa FQ? I can tell you that sa FQ, kahit di kikita, tutulungan ka pa.

ganun nmn ang mga MLM eh, tulungan tlaga... and it will also depends on your team... may mga kilala ako sa FQ naburat dhil nde tinulungan ng uplines niya...

[Ramoan]

Originally posted by nano
i agree with you che_france... buti ka pa marunong rumespeto ng business ng iba... di tulad ng "iba" jan... kapamilya mo pa man din kaso alang ginawa sa ibang thread kundi manggulo at mamuna... nahahalata tuloy kung ano ang tinuturo sa kanila ng mga uplines nila or likas lang talaga na ganun sya... pangaralan mo nga....

:)

if u are referring to me, well am not nanggulo! am just stating the possibility n pwedeng magyari! pare pareho *** tyo ng nature ng "business" na pinasukan...

hindi ito tinuro sakin ng uplines ko... again, possibility ito sa mga MLM..

dude, tungkol sa FQ nmn ang thread na ito diba so i can post anything i want about FQ... just speaking my mind out...

[Ramoan]

Originally posted by jct513
hehe.. ayan, kasi ang hilig mangapitbahay ng thread. :). Anyway, talking about FQ. Phenomenon talaga ang FQ, no other MLM has ever achieved what FQ has. Not even half. I just hope that my present group will also get to where FQ is now. Gud luck sa ating lahat. POWER!

correction, FQ is not a phenomenon, but MLM is! nauna sumikat ang FQ *** *** p nkkaachieved ng ganyang feat! pero late *** nagbloom yang FQ.

[Ramoan]

Originally posted by che_france
hayaan nyo yan si ramoan,fishing ginagawa nyan **,baka un ang 2ro sa kanila,** sa FQ mamingwit. may 800,000 pa na nalalaman
:D nahalata 2loy ang intention LOL. pero ok lang,goodluck sa biz mo,make ur own thread para mas may opportunity ka ma-present un ano nga un?basta un biz mo. unsolicited advise din po,do u really need to mention FQ?? anyway,wag mo na sagutin.
peace

namimimingwit? pwede ***** pro in a way na makatulong... pwede mu nmn isabay *** FQ account mu with other MLM account eh... same effort *** nmn, diba, doble kamig ka pa...

yah before i posted my comments here, i made my own thread...

of course i will mention FQ coz it is their contemporary....

[jct513]

Originally posted by Ramoan
namimimingwit? pwede ***** pro in a way na makatulong... pwede mu nmn isabay *** FQ account mu with other MLM account eh... same effort *** nmn, diba, doble kamig ka pa...

yah before i posted my comments here, i made my own thread...

of course i will mention FQ coz it is their contemporary....

yes pwede yan... but if you will diversify, it is wise to join other MLM companies not similar to your current ones. Like kung apparels & leather goods yung present mlm mo, join other MLM that offers different products like groceries (ehem, plugging my new MLM biz), or health products, etc. Mahirap mag-market ng several biznes na pare-parehong produkto.

[che_france]

hahahahaha! naiintindihan ko yan c ramoan,un lang naman sa figure na u mentioned ang mali kse wala pa talaga sa 800,000 kaming mga FQ BAs but tnx kse deep in ur heart u believe aabot kami dun.
bro,graphire looks like naawitan ka ni tita pilita ha,goodluck! medyo magparamdam ka din dun sa kabilang forum natin, esp sa chat hahahahaha!!! naku,d ako magaling mangaral, ok lang naman mag-plug ng ibang MLM basta ilagay lang sa ayos, syempre lahat tayo **** kumita, at d lang basta kita, **** natin malaki dba? para-paraan lang wag lang garapal.
nano,mas masaya kse pag marunong tumanggap ng opinion ng iba,kse ang debate walang katapusan yan,di tayo yayaman jan. goodluck din syo&happy networking!

[jct513]

ate che... naramdaman mo din pala.. hehehe. Lam mo naman ngayon, kelangan diskarte... sabi nga e "we should never cease seeking new opportunities". Pero FQ by heart pa rin naman tayo e, dahil jan ako nagsimula at natuto. Expand lang tayo ng product line-up, pag ang prospect ayaw nung isa.. meron pa tayong pwedeng i-offer na iba. And im just capitalizing on the freshness of this new biz.

[che_france]

Originally posted by jct513
ate che... naramdaman mo din pala.. hehehe. Lam mo naman ngayon, kelangan diskarte... sabi nga e "we should never cease seeking new opportunities". Pero FQ by heart pa rin naman tayo e, dahil jan ako nagsimula at natuto. Expand lang tayo ng product line-up, pag ang prospect ayaw nung isa.. meron pa tayong pwedeng i-offer na iba. And im just capitalizing on the freshness of this new biz.

oo ****,lakas ng radar ko bro. praktis praktis lang ng pagliyad ala pilita hehe. goodluck at happy hataw. always smile d FQ way hahahahahahah!!!!!:D

[charlea_fg]

i am a memeber now but i really regret that i joined i told the person who recruited me na i can just do the direct selling she told me na she will help me with the downlines, that was 3 mos ago until now wala rin so nag direct selling nga ako and u know what happen napahiya lang ako sa mga nag order sa akin dahil mostly ng mga inorder ko phase out na daw i was just wondering why they sold me the catalogue if the products are not available iam so disappointed, and here in australia you are paying au$250.00plus the catalogue $5.00 i even bought an extra cat for $15.00 its just a waste of money.

[MEM2]

Phase out na yung iba because Series 9 na yung catalog.

[agent_mael]

I have nothing againts FQ because I'm also a member since 2004 pa pero hindi ko na maasikaso at saka wala ako'ng tiyaga sa pagpunta pa sa Ortigas at pumila. Kahit ayokong mag-invest dito ay napilitan na rin ako dahil sa hindi ko matanggihan ang best friend ko. To cut my story short, I want to invite you to be my partner sa FQ, para masubukan mo at ma-justify yung mga possitive and negative reply dito. Wala ka naman pera ilalabas kundi yung pamasahe at time mo lamang sa pagpunta punta doon sa FQ Office (that is if you are "matiyaga"). Willing ako magkaroon tayo ng written agreement about our sharing. Pwedeng 50-50 tayo or 60% sa iyo at 40% naman sa akin. nanghihinayang lamang ako sa aking account kasi hindi ko naman talaga maasikaso ito at para magkaroon na rin ng kasagutan ang tanong mo na ikaw na mismo ang makakasagot. If interested just call me at my landline number 447-0256 or Mobile 0917-9254272 ask for Ismael Motus. Thanks.

[an]

those who are interested to join our group in FQ, pls get in touch with me...especially those FQ members who did not earn in this business...our group is more than willing to help you out, enlighten you, and let you know why networking did not work for you, and correct the mistakes that you did so you could give FQ another try... :)

[charmedPrue]

an: pano un? pwede ba kami lumipat ng group? o kelangan naming magshellout ulit ng money...?

[m1awok]

An i want to attend your bom but i am already a member in other group, do i have to pay and where is your bom held

[an]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
an: pano un? pwede ba kami lumipat ng group? o kelangan naming magshellout ulit ng money...?

it depends on which group you already belong to...baka kasi magka-group na tayo hindi pa natin alam....

and the answer to your question is YES...most of our members who re-joined FQ shelled out another Php8880.

i know that you are definitely hesistant about this, and i am will be, too if i were in your position. Giving another Php8880 as an investment is not a joke. That is why i would encourage you to listen to what our group has to say before you decide to do anything. it would be best for you to know and understand first why OUR GROUP is different, and why we can guarantee that you will earn if you join us.

you don't need to pay anything when you atend one of our talks...
all you need to do is listen and learn

:*)

[an]

Originally posted by m1awok
An i want to attend your bom but i am already a member in other group, do i have to pay and where is your bom held


hi there! OUR GROUP's FQ talks are absolutely for FREE! all you need to do is be there, listen, learn and understand what we're gonna teach you...

it is not the typical FQ seminar or meeting because we don't need to present FQ anymore since you are already a member. what we have to present to you is the technique/style of the top earners in FQ (who are members of our group--->33 of them). what we're gonna share with you are the "secrets" on how to earn money using First Quadrant because members of our group do not work FOR first quadrant, but we work WITH first quadrant so we could earn money while we do our day/regular jobs. ;)

[charmedPrue]

saan BOM nyo?

[Guile]

It depends kttpos *** kc ng Grand BOM nmin pero if you wish to be INFORM lets meet and have a talk.Grabe try to look at this opportunity kc mtgal nko sa ganito bisnes pero 1st time ako nkakita ng ganito kblis na growth ng income.from 5000+ my 2nd check jumps to over 40000 grabe. TXT me ASAP 09169878666 and dont be left behind.Thanks and God Bless hapi networking!

[m1awok]

An i want to attend sa BOM and I'm planning to attend next week where is it held?what time? can I bring a friend, and I'll appreciate it if you could send me the details on my email add m1awok2003@yahoo.com. tnx

[an]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
saan BOM nyo?

we conducts BOMs at Houseblend Coffee Shop in Vito Cruz, just across St.Scho Manila Gate 4. It's very near CBS and DLSU

we also hold BOMs at Avenetto Pizzeria/Napoli Restaurants in Libis, Fairview, Visayas Ave. and Timog.


:shy:

[an]

Originally posted by m1awok
An i want to attend sa BOM and I'm planning to attend next week where is it held?what time? can I bring a friend, and I'll appreciate it if you could send me the details on my email add m1awok2003@yahoo.com. tnx

which day would you be available?
we have different venues kasi and we also have more than 5 speakers on call...so just tell me which day you would be available and which venue is most convenient for you :)



charmedPrue: Avenetto Pizzeria also has a brnach in BF Sucat, Parañaque :D

[charmedPrue]

hmmm... ayoko na kasi mag-cashout e :D

[~mutya25~]

sali lang ako....i am an FQ BA na din...
my direct upline is my cousin who's earning P40K a week and she's with the biz for 7 months pa lang:)...tama sya, nakakabaliw nga ang FQ!!!

[an]

i agree!!!! kakabaliw and kakaaliw! :lol:


Originally posted by ~mutya25~
sali lang ako....i am an FQ BA na din...
my direct upline is my cousin who's earning P40K a week and she's with the biz for 7 months pa lang:)...tama sya, nakakabaliw nga ang FQ!!!

[rossifumi46]

to those BA's who want to join our group "8 mile club"one shot one opportunity failure is not a mother$%$%#% option..... text me up at 0919 356 0397
very active group always at FQ from 4-10pm then BOM sundays 2pm at chowking and/or PIER 1 at the FORT.... food served...

[an]

Originally posted by charmedPrue
hmmm... ayoko na kasi mag-cashout e :D

that's ok...just let me know if you ever wanna give it a try... :D

thanks!

[an]

m1awok

did you get my email? :)

[agent_mael]

Originally posted by rossifumi46
to those BA's who want to join our group "8 mile club"one shot one opportunity failure is not a mother$%$%#% option..... text me up at 0919 356 0397
very active group always at FQ from 4-10pm then BOM sundays 2pm at chowking and/or PIER 1 at the FORT.... food served...


By joining your group, since member naman kami ng FQ ay no need to buy another membership? I mean hindi na kami magbabayad ulit ng Php 8,880.00 and we will bring our prospective recruit at kapag nag-sign up ay sa aming account mapupunta wihtout a single centavo na mapupunta sa inyo? Nagtatanong lamang pow!

[agent_mael]

Originally posted by charlea_fg
i am a memeber now but i really regret that i joined i told the person who recruited me na i can just do the direct selling she told me na she will help me with the downlines, that was 3 mos ago until now wala rin so nag direct selling nga ako and u know what happen napahiya lang ako sa mga nag order sa akin dahil mostly ng mga inorder ko phase out na daw i was just wondering why they sold me the catalogue if the products are not available iam so disappointed, and here in australia you are paying au$250.00plus the catalogue $5.00 i even bought an extra cat for $15.00 its just a waste of money.


Pareho tayo ng kapalaran sa FQ. :rolleyes: :eek:

[m1awok]

An, ya! i got your e-mail, kaya lang i'm the one "manning' our store right now so, hindi pa ako makakuha ng tiyempo..........

[an]

Originally posted by m1awok
An, ya! i got your e-mail, kaya lang i'm the one "manning' our store right now so, hindi pa ako makakuha ng tiyempo..........

that's ok...kahit evening or early morning pwede.
we can make a special BOM...just for you.
marami naman kasi yung group namin na speakers-on-call so we can accommodate you anytime. :*)

[m1awok]

thanks an, kontakin kita pag nagka oras ako , pagka december kasi peak season, so di pa lang talaga ako magkaroon ng free time.