College failures = Bad future jobs?

[saturnintears]

does a lot of failures in academic subjects spell the difference between having a good career and having a terrible one after graduating?
Im really worried about this because Im a kickout from a university but still continuing my studies, now in a different school. Taking up ECE

hope to hear from your experiences, especially the similar ones. and what happened to you afterward. I need to be inspired
thanks!

[TheFool]

i guess i can be considered a college failure, although i was still able to graduate from lasalle.
i had really, really low grades. wasn't surprising because i was drunk most of the time. i barely scraped by in most of my subjects.. failed some.
i ended up with a GPA so damn low i still wince when i think about it.

good news.

1. never was i asked for a transcript of records during my interviews. my employers ask me for a transcript only after i had been accepted and it was for record-purposes only.

2. i'm currently in my 3rd company -- by choice. having been pirated continuously company after company. i've worked for good companies as well.

3. i'm earning more than some cum laudes i know. and i'm not in sales.

so my advice?

make your resume look as appealing as possible. my resume is a work in progress that i have been updating for six years. i've modified its style and format so many times, making sure that the employer takes one look at it and it highlights what i am good at.

make the interview count. i readily admit to my employers that i was a goofball in college. still, i always point out how much i've changed since i started working. stress more on your accomplishments. remember, people like you and me -- we have something to prove.

[BabyFATS]

Depends on which company you work for, and what kind of culture and values they practice.

Some companies are so bureaucratic they think it's enough to come from the Big 3 (UP, DLSU, ADMU) even if you have low grades. Others are ok with other schools as long as you have top grades. And maybe others still don't care much about anything.

Personally, I believe good academics isn't equivocal with good work ethics, and a degree doesn't guarantee a good career either.

I am living proof to that.

I studied for 2 years at UP Diliman and had extremes for grades. Most of my grades fell between 1.0-2.0 but I had my share of 4's, 5's and dropped subjects. Eventually I shifted to a different course in a different school before dropping out of college.

But here I am - part of the work force and earning enough to sustain my luho and even help support my family. :)

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[OliverWood21]

Way to go Babyfats!! :handsdown:

I am indeed one heck of a fan!! ;)

[OliverWood21]

I just wanted to share my story..

I was a very diligent student when I was in High School and Early College; I even had the chance to get straight 1's on a single trimester. But, unfortunately, as time went on, I was influenced by the students around me not to aspire too much but passing. If before, my goal with regards to grades was to get a flat 1, it turned out that during my latter years, I was only aspiring to pass the subject, to get a 3.0 or better- which is the thing that I regret most during my entire college days. Final outcome, I wasn’t able to get any special awards on the graduation

Before entering my new job, my confidence was an all time low provided that I have to be pitted in against Cum Laudes from top universities. Dito lang kasi pangit sa atin e, and I have proven it. GRADES ALONE DO NOT COMMENSURATE A PERSON’S CAPABILITY WHEN HANDLING ACTUAL WORK.
When can employers realize that? :rolleyes:

Just my $.02

[KuyaDanny]

Originally posted by saturnintears
does a lot of failures in academic subjects spell the difference between having a good career and having a terrible one after graduating?
Im really worried about this because Im a kickout from a university but still continuing my studies, now in a different school.


Your progress will depend a lot on how you picked yourself up after you stumbled. Did you resolve to do better or did you continue your merry ways?

There are three people at the office who joined us without college degrees. They did not graduate for reasons I am sure you have heard before - barkada, bulakbol, financial hardship, etc.

Two of those guys decided to complete their degrees while working and we arranged to put them on scholarship. They have degrees now and are not only excellent employees, but upstanding citizens. The third one became an unwed mother in her early twenties. By the time she got back on her feet she decided she didn't have the time for college anymore. She decided to channel her unfulfilled ambitions to doing a good job and bringing up her daughter "the right way". She's been with us 12 years now and there is no way we are letting her go.

[the_BuGs]

Originally posted by OliverWood21
I just wanted to share my story..

I was a very diligent student when I was in High School and Early College; I even had the chance to get straight 1's on a single trimester. But, unfortunately, as time went on, I was influenced by the students around me not to aspire too much but passing. If before, my goal with regards to grades was to get a flat 1, it turned out that during my latter years, I was only aspiring to pass the subject, to get a 3.0 or better- which is the thing that I regret most during my entire college days. Final outcome, I wasn’t able to get any special awards on the graduation

Before entering my new job, my confidence was an all time low provided that I have to be pitted in against Cum Laudes from top universities. Dito lang kasi pangit sa atin e, and I have proven it. GRADES ALONE DO NOT COMMENSURATE A PERSON’S CAPABILITY WHEN HANDLING ACTUAL WORK.
When can employers realize that? :rolleyes:

Just my $.02


Agree *okay*

Kahit naman ako eh nde naman galing sa BIG 3 Universities na sinasabi nila (sino ba nagpauso ng BIG 3?? ang alam ko sa mga oil companies lang sa Pinas yan eh :D ) hindi na nga ako galing sa top univ. mga grades ko puro 3.0 pa :D . Naging attitude ko na kasi nung estudyante pa lang na wala akong pakialam sa grades eh. PERO hindi naman ako sobrang happy go lucky nuon, ang style ko lang sa midterms todo aral para makakuha ng mataas na grades then sa pre finals happy go lucky na kasi alam ko na magiging grades ko kapag nag compute ako (namuhunan lang ako :D )


Pero nung pagkagraduate ko nagka werk naman ako agad after ng one month vacation ko nun. First apply ko ng trabaho sa isang company at yun din yung company na kumuha agad sa akin. Dahil kahit papaano naipasa ko naman yung mga exams at interviews.
Hindi naman sa nagmamayabang me mga ka officemates ako na galing sa top 3 universitiesna yan na nalalagpasan ko ang talento nila kaya kahit papano nagkakaroon ako ng kaunting pride pero nde ko sila kinokompetensya nagkakataon lang na kaya kong higitan ang kakayahan nila.

Maganda lang sa Top 3 Universities na yan pagdating sa opisina sila sila ang nagsasama pagdating sa pulitika ng opisina :D . Kaya kadalasan napapa resign ako



Pero me mga companies din na nakakababa ng loob lalo na yung top 3 univ. lang ang kinukuha. Napakalakas ng Discrimination. Sa almost six years na work experience ko halos limang companies na ang napasukan ko.

[saywhat]

Originally posted by saturnintears
does a lot of failures in academic subjects spell the difference between having a good career and having a terrible one after graduating?

Not really. Not everyone who was good in school turned out to be equally good in the workplace.

Being a college bulakbulera myself (finished a 4-year course in 6 years; no singko though, thank God), I couldn't expect to have a TOR that could impress the hell out of any employer. But I knew my strengths so I banked on them. Now, I can say that I've had better jobs than many of my UP classmates who graduated on time with impressive grades. This is real life after all. This is where you MUST succeed.

[husky150]

saturnintears: The beauty of life is that as long as you're alive, you can always have a Second Act.

Like others in this thread, I spent most of my college years drinking and shooting pool. I only managed to land in the Dean's List because I was in danger of being kicked out if I didn't do so - such were the extremes of my college education. :cheers:

As for grades, no one ever bothered to ask me that in any of the jobs I applied for after school. ( Then again, i'm guilty of graduating from one of the notorious Big Three :lol: ) Perhaps in some fields of expertise such as engineering, grades are used as an index of your grasp of the field, but work is quite a different ballgame from school. I've known many underachievers in school who've had outstanding professional careers, and I also know many millionaries who never went to college.

So cheer up. Just do the best you can while you're still in school. And when you finally embark on your journey in the Working World, you can make your own waves. *okay*

[LinuxMandrake]

Originally posted by saturnintears
does a lot of failures in academic subjects spell the difference between having a good career and having a terrible one after graduating?
Im really worried about this because Im a kickout from a university but still continuing my studies, now in a different school. Taking up ECE

hope to hear from your experiences, especially the similar ones. and what happened to you afterward. I need to be inspired
thanks!

let me share my story...

i was id92 sa lasalle main. got kicked out of my engineering course entering my third year of studying there.

lipat ako sa psid, 2 terms lang ako kasi nakagalit ko *** teacher dun.

when i studied in benilde, hindi din ako nakatapos kasi sa gimik.

after 3 years, i'm a training officer in a call center in eastwood, making around 35-40k a month.

sana makatulong.

[Braveheart]

people here should also encourage the students to strive for excellence while still in school.

lumalabas kasi na ok lang mag-bulakbol at maging butata ang mga grades sa school kasi wala naman kinalaman ang grades sa success. :)

[ruroni]

Originally posted by LinuxMandrake
let me share my story...

i was id92 sa lasalle main. got kicked out of my engineering course entering my third year of studying there.

lipat ako sa psid, 2 terms lang ako kasi nakagalit ko *** teacher dun.

when i studied in benilde, hindi din ako nakatapos kasi sa gimik.

after 3 years, i'm a training officer in a call center in eastwood, making around 35-40k a month.

sana makatulong.

batch mate!!! id92 here. I was an Average Student in La Salle Comp Sci....

What I lacked in theoretical smarts in college I made up with performance at Work!!!!

I've been in my present job for almost 5 years and I've been sent to different parts of the world and am one of the company's top conultants :)

[ruroni]

Originally posted by Braveheart
people here should also encourage the students to strive for excellence while still in school.

lumalabas kasi na ok lang mag-bulakbol at maging butata ang mga grades sa school kasi wala naman kinalaman ang grades sa success. :)

I think what you're getting in this forum is more of the exception rather than the rule.

I think for every one who has a good career even with low grades probably at least a hundred or thousands more fail.

[Zeratul]

I know an Ateneo economics professor who failed statistics in his undergrad. In spite of this, he was able to finish his Ph.D. in public policy & conflict resolution at Fordham, become one of the top executives at Dharmala Bank, and enjoy a stint in Goldman Sachs for 2 years until Ateneo pulled him back in to teach to pay for his Ph.D. scholarship.

A single act (F in statistics) cannot shatter one's fundamental option if it is steadfast and strong.

[Braveheart]

well, the thread is somewhat giving mixed (wrong?) signals. i understand that we are encouraging people with bad grades that this should not be the end of the world for them, but we should also remind students who read this thread to get good grades while still in school.

one even wrote: GRADES ALONE DO NOT COMMENSURATE A PERSON’S CAPABILITY WHEN HANDLING ACTUAL WORK. so if you are saying this to students, who are impressionable, then don't you think you are sending very wrong signals? :)

[SILENTMAX]

Originally posted by saturnintears
does a lot of failures in academic subjects spell the difference between having a good career and having a terrible one after graduating?


bill gates was a college dropout.

[Dunedain]

One of the guys here at work never finished college, and to make matter worse, he's got bad grades and does nothing but plays games all the time.

On the other hand, since he has a very good vision of telling which game is good or which game is bad lands him a job as a Lead Game Designer. I'm not certain how much he makes since that's completely unethical, but the last time he paid his income tax, it cost him like $60,000. And he's a very approachable guy, ready for a conversation anything under the sun, an avid reader of anything that pertains to military (local or foreign) and it's history (including officers' biographies and performance).

College failures = bad future jobs? Maybe. But there is always light at the end of the tunnel.

[KuyaDanny]

Originally posted by Braveheart
well, the thread is somewhat giving mixed (wrong?) signals.

I have to agree with this gentleman. Maybe we should suggest to everyone here that while bad grades do not mean a bad end to one's career, good grades certainly are a good start. A job worth doing is worth doing well, and that includes schoolwork.

[BabyFATS]

Right. Maybe we should've made that clear.

I believe what most, if not all, of us are saying here is that grades aren't the be-all and end-all of a good (future) career. It surely is a great start, like what KD said. It might land you a good job, but it won't guarantee you can keep it... or that you'll love it. :nope:

May I just add that the term good job is very subjective and could mean a lot of different things to different people. It might depend on the amount of salary, the comprehensiveness of the benefits package, the size or the name of the company, the working environment, the relationships among the employees and so many other things.


P.S. OliverWood21: Thanks! You're not so bad yourself. :)

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[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by Braveheart
well, the thread is somewhat giving mixed (wrong?) signals. i understand that we are encouraging people with bad grades that this should not be the end of the world for them, but we should also remind students who read this thread to get good grades while still in school.

one even wrote: GRADES ALONE DO NOT COMMENSURATE A PERSON’S CAPABILITY WHEN HANDLING ACTUAL WORK. so if you are saying this to students, who are impressionable, then don't you think you are sending very wrong signals? :)

Oops.. That’s got to be me. :glee:
But I was just basing my opinions on the realm of actual work. My aim by saying that is just to give saturnintears the inspiration (if it is. :D and he was requesting for it in the first place anyway) not to lose his/her self-esteem when applying for a job.

And I mentioned that GRADES ALONE DO NOT COMMENSURATE A PERSON’S CAPABILITY WHEN HANDLING ACTUAL WORK- meaning to say that it is not merely the grades that would separate the MAN from the BOYS but there are other things like Diligence, Practicality, Dedication and most importantly, Hard Work- which is true (basing it from my own experience)

As to counter my previous statement:
Yes, of course, every student must aspire to the best of their ability to get the best grades possible; it gives them a head start over those new grads who did not do well in school. In fact, I mentioned that it is really the norm that most companies implement (as far as basing on my actual encounter on potential employers is concerned) the mentality ‘Hire only fresh graduates with Latin Honors’. And that’s the way it is, most good jobs are exclusive for those people who are the ‘cream of the crop’, too bad. (In fact, if I could turn back the time, I would have had wanted to double my effort when I was in college to get better grades)

However, the advancement in the corporate ladder and work excellence is not just based on outstanding grades earned in college (good news for people like myself and saturnintears). Most people who succeed in their careers are those people who are good in ‘practical knowledge’ and not ‘theoretical knowledge’-which, ironically, is what Universities are focusing on (and what Honor Students are really good at).

And basing from the testimonies of most Pexers, they were able to find the road to success in their career even if they didn’t do well in school, which only proves that Hard Work is really much more important than grades when it comes to climbing up the corporate ladder.

Just placing my two cents worth. ;)

Cheers

[DukotKing]

I believe that GRADES ALONE DO NOT COMMENSURATE A PERSON’S CAPABILITY WHEN HANDLING ACTUAL WORK. I am a living proof.

But it seems that most of the companies who witness these "success stories" are mostly call centers, because these companies do not ask for TORs. Grades are not important to them because what they need is someone who can speak and understand whatever language that their clients demand. I work for a call center, and I am very happy. But the hard fact is that some non-call center companies consider people like me more of a "damaged good"

[BabyFATS]

There are always tradeoffs for whatever you do or don't believe in.

Isipin mo na lang... it's their loss, not yours. :D

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[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by KuyaDanny
I have to agree with this gentleman. Maybe we should suggest to everyone here that while bad grades do not mean a bad end to one's career, good grades certainly are a good start. A job worth doing is worth doing well, and that includes schoolwork.

Very True Kuya Danny.;)

[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by BabyFATS


P.S. OliverWood21: Thanks! You're not so bad yourself. :)

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[the_BuGs]

2 lesson lang matutunan mo dito sa thread na to eh

1. Kung estudyante ka pa lang at binabasa mo tong thread.
Mas maige na magaral kang mabuti habang estudyante ka dahil hindi lang naman ikaw masisiyahan kungdi ang parents mo rin at least yung pinaghirapan nila habang pinagaaral ka eh mapalitan naman ng konswelo.

2. Kung ikaw ay nagtapos ng bulakbol na tulad ko :D :glee: huwag kang mwalan ng Pag asa kung ikaw ay maghahanap ng trabaho. Hanapin mo sa sarili mo ang iyong kapasidad at talento at dun mo ituon.

[BabyFATS]

Originally posted by the_BuGs
Hanapin mo sa sarili mo ang iyong kapasidad at talento at dun mo ituon. [/B]
Sobrang agree ako dito.

In other words, play to your strengths... or in this case work. :)

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[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by the_BuGs
2 lesson lang matutunan mo dito sa thread na to eh

1. Kung estudyante ka pa lang at binabasa mo tong thread.
Mas maige na magaral kang mabuti habang estudyante ka dahil hindi lang naman ikaw masisiyahan kungdi ang parents mo rin at least yung pinaghirapan nila habang pinagaaral ka eh mapalitan naman ng konswelo.

2. Kung ikaw ay nagtapos ng bulakbol na tulad ko :D :glee: huwag kang mwalan ng Pag asa kung ikaw ay maghahanap ng trabaho. Hanapin mo sa sarili mo ang iyong kapasidad at talento at dun mo ituon.

Couldn't have said it any better. :handsdown:

[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by SILENTMAX
bill gates was a college dropout.

So is Paul Allen (4th richest man)
;)

But we have to remember that there are financial geniuses who even had a PhD who also made it big like Ross Perot, Jack Welch (of course), Donald Trump, Laurence Ellison and Carly Fiorina.

So in a way, education is also important. ;)

[tkatchev]

ako naman, i want to be a professor in the law school where i'm studying right now. kaya lang, napansin ko, those who are hired na young graduate with high honors (as in top 5 ng batch) AND are bar-placers. unfortunately, i'm only a regular honors standing student. :( so in my "career" parang grades are important.

[KuyaDanny]

Are you saying you won't get hired if you apply? I would think it's a little too early to make a conclusion. Let's say you do get hired, and eventually become a good professor because you have a gift for teaching and the ability to inspire your studentsm will they hold you "not so good" grades against you?

[tina11]

Originally posted by OliverWood21
So is Paul Allen (4th richest man)
;)

But we have to remember that there are financial geniuses who even had a PhD who also made it big like Ross Perot, Jack Welch (of course), Donald Trump, Laurence Ellison and Carly Fiorina.

So in a way, education is also important. ;)
someone always brings up bill gates in discussions about whether acads and grades matter in the workplace :D but let's not forget the big difference between dropout and kickout. bill gates wasn't exactly flunking out of college or spending his days cutting classes and playing billiards. in fact he was so focused on his vision that he quit his studies because he saw an opportunity that he might miss if he waited until after graduation to pursue it. whereas this thread is mostly about people who didn't do well in school :)

tkatchev: maybe they only hire the top 5 of every batch because these were the ones that were really interested in becoming professors? you're an honors student and they will surely recognize that as an achievement. if you show them that you sincerely want to teach, i'm sure they'll give you a chance. :) also, you're still studying so you can aim for higher grades or try to impress your teachers by volunteering to lead group study sessions or preparing very well for oral exams/recitations.

[LinuxMandrake]

tama nga *** napuna ng iba dito na the people who make it big are into call centers... pero this is the industry na hindi mawawala gawa ng sobrang mura ng pasweldo sa mga tao, so the capitalist makes more money. sad to say, kung regular csr ka, they make the most out of it. pero earning 13-15k a month na bulakbulero sa school is a whole lot better than graduating and making 8-10k a month sa non-call center work environment. hindi naman sa nagyayabang, pero this is the trend nowadays for most of the people who refuse to accept na ang call center is one of the highest paying jobs for a starter.

[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by tina11
someone always brings up bill gates in discussions about whether acads and grades matter in the workplace :D but let's not forget the big difference between dropout and kickout. bill gates wasn't exactly flunking out of college or spending his days cutting classes and playing billiards. in fact he was so focused on his vision that he quit his studies because he saw an opportunity that he might miss if he waited until after graduation to pursue it. whereas this thread is mostly about people who didn't do well in school :)



Right tina, Bill Gates must not be a good example on this case because he's a certified geek :glee: :D And he had proven that the absence of a college degree is not a hindrance from succeeding, In fact, a lot of intelligent and smart people don't have college degrees as well, pero they sometimes prove themselves even smarter than PhD holders (Best example is Babyfats :handsdown: ). But hey, baka lumayo na ako sa topic. Sa mga nagaaral pa, it is still best to stay in school, have a degree and get the best grades the best you can, it will give you a definite headstart over the others who have to put extra effort in proving their 'professional worth'. But then again, sa mga di naman nakatapos at sa mga may sobrang babang mga grades (gaya ko), everything is still possible if you will work hard for it.
Mas less nga ang expectations sa atin (which is good dahil mas konti) dahil nakakapressure and sobrang expections if you are a Summa Cum Laude.


PS
But hey, probably the reason why Bill Gates has become so ubiquitous when it comes to these topics is because everyone wants to be like him.. :glee:

[OliverWood21]

Originally posted by LinuxMandrake
tama nga *** napuna ng iba dito na the people who make it big are into call centers... pero this is the industry na hindi mawawala gawa ng sobrang mura ng pasweldo sa mga tao, so the capitalist makes more money. sad to say, kung regular csr ka, they make the most out of it. pero earning 13-15k a month na bulakbulero sa school is a whole lot better than graduating and making 8-10k a month sa non-call center work environment. hindi naman sa nagyayabang, pero this is the trend nowadays for most of the people who refuse to accept na ang call center is one of the highest paying jobs for a starter.

People who also are not top of the line graduates can make big bucks in Sales (for starters). After all, it is a field that doesnt require much technical abilities but the returns are even higher than technical jobs. ;)

[jiggybabymiggz]

Not really, have had many failures din during college. Just elude confidence during the interview. Siguro, if you know how to communicate, so much the better...Yun lang puhunan mo sa corporate world. They're not gonna ask you about physics or algebra or calculus..HR people know form the start who they have to hire or not, kung mabango ang transcript mo it's not really that of a concern.

[raged]

it is good to have good grades but it doesn't always tell how good or bad you are, when it comes to actual work!

[BabyFATS]

Originally posted by OliverWood21
(Best example is Babyfats :handsdown: ).
Errr... thanks... :bashful:

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[JENSIE_G]

I beg to disagree.

Nasa tao na yan.

:ahh:

[ready2go]

your college performance will influence only the first job that you'll get... after that... it's not important anymore

as JENSIE_G said... nasa tao yan

r2g :coolhat:
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[mysharona]

Originally posted by saturnintears
does a lot of failures in academic subjects spell the difference between having a good career and having a terrible one after graduating?
Im really worried about this because Im a kickout from a university but still continuing my studies, now in a different school. Taking up ECE

hope to hear from your experiences, especially the similar ones. and what happened to you afterward. I need to be inspired
thanks!


i strongly believe, what's important is your ATTITUDE. take it from me, it took me almost 7 years to finish a 5-year eng'g course in UP. none of the companies i've tried applying in so far has required a tcg or transcript before any exam or interview.

never been declined yet so far. i even had to say no
actually once, but it was a long story ( it was one of the few companies where politics is the rule)

[tkatchev]

Originally posted by KuyaDanny
Are you saying you won't get hired if you apply? I would think it's a little too early to make a conclusion. Let's say you do get hired, and eventually become a good professor because you have a gift for teaching and the ability to inspire your studentsm will they hold you "not so good" grades against you?

oh, you're right. then again, i'm not exactly a "college failure." so my post doesn't belong here. ban me from PEx so i can study for my finals. urgh.

[fossil7]

most of my co-kickout classmates back in college are now working in Singapore as IT professionals for 3 years already.

[saturnintears]

thanks everyone. you guys really helped me a lot!!!!!

[monarchrising]

Hello! I hope this thread gets ample response. Anyway, I would just like to ask around if there are also other people here who were not really that good in college pero for some reasons eh medyo maganda naman ang career/work/positions.

I'm honestly an Ateneo kickout, transferred to Benilde. Off and on working student for last 3 years, 7 years in college. I just graduated this year but thanks to a lot of persistence and opportunities, I'm doing quite well naman.

Currently, I'm a brand manager for a popular apparel/footwear brand. However, I will be transferring to a bank by 2008 and would be heading innovations of some sort.

P.S. Uhm, rich kids and COOs are also welcome. Haha!:bop:

[c0Rinthian]

good for you :)

well, in the real world- grades and alma mater only go as far as your first 2 years in the job market- after that, it's all performance based

bottom line is... a mistake doesn't have to be final- and miserable academic performance should not hinder anyone from getting a great career (unless your name is Jeffrey Blanco... in which case- you're doomed to be an utter failure all your life) :glee:

[KuyaDanny]

Since you've been "burned" in a way, how about giving advice to other people who might be in a similar situation?

[josevelarde]

good for you :)

well, in the real world- grades and alma mater only go as far as your first 2 years in the job market- after that, it's all performance based

bottom line is... a mistake doesn't have to be final- and miserable academic performance should not hinder anyone from getting a great career (unless your name is Jeffrey Blanco... in which case- you're doomed to be an utter failure all your life) :glee:

who is Jeffrey Blanco?:bop:

[c0Rinthian]

who is Jeffrey Blanco?:bop:



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[aticus]

I honestly didn't do that well in college. I always sacrificed my grades for things like debate competitions abroad. For me, learning things I thought were useful was a lot more practical than just basic academic learning.

Now that my career is in precisely what I used to do, debate, I find that I made the right career choices when I went to all those tournaments. I wouldn't be where I am today without that.

However, my life is a non-traditional one, which has seen me work in 3 different countries. It also wasn't easy getting to where I am. So I'm not recommending that people abandon school in any way. In fact, many of my former classmates who did do well are now also doing ok in their respective careers as doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. It's really all up to how hard you work and what you do with the opportunities presented to you.

I think getting good grades helps you initially, but what the OP has shown is that perseverance and an unwillingness to let initial failures stop you are keys to future success, even for those who were unsuccessful in school.

[BizMag]

Hello! I hope this thread gets ample response. Anyway, I would just like to ask around if there are also other people here who were not really that good in college pero for some reasons eh medyo maganda naman ang career/work/positions.

I'm honestly an Ateneo kickout, transferred to Benilde. Off and on working student for last 3 years, 7 years in college. I just graduated this year but thanks to a lot of persistence and opportunities, I'm doing quite well naman.

Currently, I'm a brand manager for a popular apparel/footwear brand. However, I will be transferring to a bank by 2008 and would be heading innovations of some sort.

P.S. Uhm, rich kids and COOs are also welcome. Haha!:bop:

nice story... whats your course way back in ateneo? ;)

[monarchrising]

Since you've been "burned" in a way, how about giving advice to other people who might be in a similar situation?

well, ive been doing so to my friends and classmates.....

[Shinobi No Kami]

Bill Gates is a college dropout. I think he's doing fine. :)

[c0Rinthian]

Bill Gates is a college dropout. I think he's doing fine. :)

was a college dropout ;)

http://www.kineda.com/bill-gates-finally-gets-his-college-degree/

Harvard finally got around to giving him his diploma after all these years

[clone19]

was a college dropout ;)

http://www.kineda.com/bill-gates-finally-gets-his-college-degree/

Harvard finally got around to giving him his diploma after all these years

is it because he owns microsoft and is the second richest living person in the whole wide world?

[getreadyph]

di naman ata... pero like lucio tan and gokongwei, getting an honorary degree is like an anti-climax....

[Leo_Wyatt]

I didn't do good in college mainly because I chose the wrong course (Computer Science) - not because of being tamad in life. Grades of my core subjects were mediocre or pasang-awa dahil iyon lang talaga ang brain capacity ko.

After graduation I had hard times getting jobs that are related to my field of study due to my unimpressive grades and lacking of hardcore programming/analytical skills kahit galing pa ako sa isang exclusive university. I worked in a call center for 6 months (the hellish moment of my life). THen I resigned.

I landed another job in a big I.T. company as a helpdesk agent for 2 years. The applications I used were cutting-edge that increased my technical skills and market value. I grew professionally. I left my job because I needed to grow. I even had their blessing. :D

So now I am working in a big multinational bank still doing IT stuffs. But I am planning to shift to the FINANCE side on my first anniversary next year. I realized na iyon ang calling ko. My grades of Math courses were higher than those of I.T. :vale:

[WhirlingDervish]

Sipag lang yan. I think what you should do is that if you have a job, do the best that you can for that job, and your goal must be that you have done something impressive/new/significant sa trabaho. That way, you will have some story to tell the interviewer of your next job.

[greensloth]

However, isn't it true na for really TOP positions, they only consider a select few. Yung great achievements in both work and school? In short, you would have a glass ceiling usually experience by women before. I believe for PNB they have a test only for top graduates, and yung top 5-10% sa results e sila ang babantayan for top positions later on.

[monarchrising]

However, isn't it true na for really TOP positions, they only consider a select few. Yung great achievements in both work and school? In short, you would have a glass ceiling usually experience by women before. I believe for PNB they have a test only for top graduates, and yung top 5-10% sa results e sila ang babantayan for top positions later on.

yeah ive heard of glass ceilings, but who knows in 10-20 years, baka wala na masyado.. by then, i'd me late 30's pa. ipaglaban! :P

[business_guy]

I knew some people who were having a fair marks during their school years, but they have one of the best jobs this time. In a real employment world, what matters is your discipline. Your "diskarte," flexibility, and being adaptive are some aspects of discipline. You may excel in school, but dealing with real world, sablay, useless din. Try to be "really bookish" in a real world, you'll sure be fired in no time....

[DavidAames]

i am a magna during college...magna-nine years na sana...but i cut it by 5 years and a half.. afterwhich i took my boards and luckily i passed and im now working abroad... grades don't matter that much out here... its really the performance... your work ethics, dilligent with work, nailing deadlines,etc... if you can show what you can offer as a very good employee, stats/grades from your past life (college life spec. and having cinco...) doesn't matter at all... well, i hope my career will flourish...hehehe i hope... i hope all of us who were not so great during college would be able to hurdle the obstacles in life...

[Dacs]

Some companies are quite biased when it comes to grades (read: typical filipino top corps *cough* SMC *cough* ).

Not that I blame them anyway.

Some of you guys know me and my background so I need no elaboration other than that I'm quite satisfied with where I am career wise. :)

[hisana]

Ah, I can relate.

Meron nga naman kasing who chose the "wrong" course nung college sila, and syempre mahirap mag-excel in a field kung wala naman dun yung aptitude/interest mo.

For us who were, er, uninspired during college, napakadami namang opportunities in the "real world" to make up for our supposed failures. It's not good to live in the past, anyway, and there's lots of room for growth. Ang hirap naman kung 30 na ako and I still let my college performance define who I am. Ang malas ko naman kung ganun.

[magnabash]

Ako nga, until now, I am still looking for a job.

I graduated May 2006.

[magnabash]

http://profiles.friendster.com/3191970 :glee:



Ano ang mreon sa kanya?



:confused:

[c0Rinthian]

Ano ang mreon sa kanya?



:confused:


he whines a lot :rotflmao:

[godiane]

Heh. I wasn't a kickout or anything, but I failed two subjects, and had mediocre grades. Pero yung average ko every semester eh umaabot naman sa required na grade para huwag ma-kickout - except syempre yung semester na dalawa yung bagsak ko.

OK na rin, kasi na-discover ko sa work na madali pala akong mag-panic kaya I'm a poor test-taker. I'm slowly trying to change na kasi hindi naman nakakatuwa yung pagiging worrywart ko.

Anyway, ayun OK naman ako financially sa sweldo. Maraming bonus pag maganda ang trabaho mo at kung matututo ka ng salita ng bansa nila.

[BizMag]

Gawa tayo ng organization! Hehehe this could be fun and useful!

[pesiopti]

I'm a fine arts graduate major in advertising. currently working in a call center for almost 2 years now. I'm currently feeling burned out and feeling more unconfident and discouraged getting a job much more related to my field because of my present job. I'm scared of not having a job but I don't like what I'm doing now already :(

i guess it's not the school that brings you somewhere, it's your attitude and guts :(

[WhirlingDervish]

pesiopti,

May I suggest saving up for 3 months worth of expenses, then once you have that, job hunt ka for those 3 months... surely may mahahanap ka nyan na linya mo.

[superbad]

pesiopti,

May I suggest saving up for 3 months worth of expenses, then once you have that, job hunt ka for those 3 months... surely may mahahanap ka nyan na linya mo.

Better start on making a portfolio again as well....:D

[pesiopti]

Ok thanks for the advice :)

[LostBoy123]

pesiopti - u got it man. attitude + guts + how you portray yourself in interviews gets you a good job. although in some cases your school could be a factor or a bonus :) of course, a good grasp of the english language is thx :)

btw thats how i got my job :)

[jaynee08]

got 5 singkos, 3 NCs in college...found a job in a multinational company 4 months after graduation. it just takes guts and lots of pakapalan ng mukha during interviews hehehe.But grades really do matter, lalo na if fresh grad ka

[Dacs]

Here's an unsolicited advice for those who were mediocre during college:

Start a new leaf, leave all your (bad) habits behind and start from scratch. You may not be able to land on the ideal job, but do your best in wherever company you may land in.

Show your stuff there. Do your best. Small companies are, uhmmm... small so your achievements there will surely be emphasized as opposed to a MNC.

Spend 2 to 3 years then go for the big guns. It may not always work, but this is a very good path for you guys to target in.

This advice comes from a fellow mediocre :lol:

[magnabash]

got 5 singkos, 3 NCs in college...found a job in a multinational company 4 months after graduation. it just takes guts and lots of pakapalan ng mukha during interviews hehehe.But grades really do matter, lalo na if fresh grad ka



I would like to know what is NCs.



:confused:

[Kelly Parker]

Yeah.. pakapalan lang yan ng mukha during the interview, and I would agree with Lostboy123 ( attitude + guts + how you portray yourself in interviews )... Nakaka- relate ako dito masyado. I graduated pre-med in college, I have 3 singkos (take note 5 units pa lahat yun..lol) Pero nung mag-apply kami ng trabaho, at kasama ko pa ang 2 sa Cum Laude ng course namin... Pero akalain mo kung sino ang natanggap sa aming tatlo.. ako lang po, at ang comment ng interviewer, I look confident daw and the way I presented myself during the interview tipo raw na I know kung ano ang ginagawa ko at kung saan ako patutungo... Bakit ko alam, kasi ka-level ko na ng trabaho ang nag-interview sa akin nun.. at sinabi nya sa akin yun... BTW, I am currently in working in one of the largest Contact center in the Philippines as a Human Resource Specialist, and I am very happy kung saan man ako ngayon. c",)

[Vicxtel]

wow... ** *** mga kasangga.. same here mga tsong.. i got 2 failing grades 3 NCs. haha.. luckily i landed a job here(number 1 telecom company) hehe.. and still working my way up on my dream job... programming world!! magtayo tayo ng clan mga tsong!

[c0Rinthian]

yeah... i'm still wondering how i got into this gig :D

in college I was one hell of an anti-social psycho, who killed cats as a hobby (among other things).

I regularly cut classes, and when I do attend- i'm either half drunk or half-stoned :D

I did not care about my grades- and i have one hell of a miserable transcript

I also have a tattoo, and 4 piercings.

fast forward...

today: i'm working in Singapore as an HR consultant, and while in the Philippines I worked with well known MNCs

Well... I've always used this line to motivate bums like me :D

"Don't let miserable grades get in the way of a successful career"

A lot of good companies will still hire you based on your attitude and competence (as opposed to your looks and grades).

[LostBoy123]

Cheers!

"Miserable grades are okay as long as you enjoyed your college days!"

lol.

[Leo_Wyatt]

I would like to know what is NCs.



:confused:

NC yata means Not Complete. Sa amin kasi walang gnaito. Diretsong failed talaga. :naughty:

[foolcha]

I'm a kickout of UST and later transfered to LYCEUM of the Philippines University.

I graduated October 2006. I work in the Trust and Investment of a Universal Bank as part of there PORTFOLIO and INVESTMENTS where we handle the UITF of the bank.

*Im not an accounting graduate kasi most of the trust/treasury department of the bank only accepts accounting graduate pero ako management graduate. 98% of the trust department samin accounting graduate dalawa lang kaming management yung isang cum laude pa.

It's not about your grades it's all about you!

[Ice Burn]

I was a mediocre student. Super tamad ako sa college. I was always looking for classes and teachers where I could get good grades with the least amount of effort. Actually even in graduate school so it's actually pretty surprising why I finished with honors in grad school hehe. :lol:

But when it comes to my career, I am very driven. I've worked in multilateral organizations like ASEAN, the World Bank and ADB. I carry myself and present my work very professionally and I know how to market myself.

Right now I put my career on hold for fulltime motherhood but I have offers from various countries so I am taking my time and reviewing which would be the next best step for my career to be beneficial for my family. :)

[superbad]

gawa na lang tayo ng frat.... ano ang qualifications dapat? 6? 7? 8 years in college?

[wandererengr]

ako 8 yrs hehe. later na yung story hehe

[Leo_Wyatt]

Mabuhay ang hindi magagaling nung college... :lol: ;)

It's never too late to change yourself. Pero siyempre, huwag naman kaming tularan. Kung kayang pagbutihin ang academics then do so. :glee:

[c0Rinthian]

actually... karamihan ng mga tao sa thread na ito ay magaling... problema lang, di motivated na mag excel sa acads, tamad, o iba ang priorities noong college :)

maaari ding minalas, nakuha puro mga terror na profs na ang tanging kaligayahan lang sa buhay ay mambagsak ng estudyante :glee:

hehehe

[clone19]

frat frat frat!

[sundayface]

Here's my story:

I'm 21, third year architecture student from UPD. I'm already delayed by two years. That would set me back to at least 7 years in college already. I can honestly say na tamad rin ako. I hate math and physics. My 5's are piling up because of these subjects.

Right now, I have a part time job selling on ebay.ph. Business is great. I'm earning enough to live on my own. I'm using the same username at ebay, in case you guys have time, please feel free to look at my items :)

[c0Rinthian]

:lol: first course ko sa UPD ay arki din....

after mabwiset sa math, physics, ES, atbp... shift ako sa Public Ad :glee:

pero... di din nagtagal.... kaya napunta ako sa college na tambakan nang mga delinquents sa UP :glee:

turned out ok naman, got my degree, and pursued my interest in IT

:D

[rabbaddal]

In my batch, some average and below-average students got hired into the brand management departments of local consumer products companies. The hiring standards were flexible since these companies didn’t require high grades or strong aptitude in math and were open to taking in applicants who majored in any course, even the likes of creative writing, political science and mass communications. Needless to say, almost all of them performed way above expectations in their careers. The brand management stint taught them valuable business skills such as professional responsibility, how to be a good leader in a project, disciplined problem-solving, performing challenging assignments while meeting tight deadlines and strategic thinking. A number of them were even promoted to overseas assignments, while some became local brand managers in the Philippines. To think, these were people who in college were consistently late in turning-in their homework, appealing borderline grades and occasionally bringing “kodigos” during exams.

Check out entry-level brand management positions in companies like URC, Century Tuna, RFM, New Balance, etc. Starting salaries are usually low but the work experience could prove to be a life-changing event.

[monarchrising]

In my batch, some average and below-average students got hired into the brand management departments of local consumer products companies. The hiring standards were flexible since these companies didn’t require high grades or strong aptitude in math and were open to taking in applicants who majored in any course, even the likes of creative writing, political science and mass communications. Needless to say, almost all of them performed way above expectations in their careers. The brand management stint taught them valuable business skills such as professional responsibility, how to be a good leader in a project, disciplined problem-solving, performing challenging assignments while meeting tight deadlines and strategic thinking. A number of them were even promoted to overseas assignments, while some became local brand managers in the Philippines. To think, these were people who in college were consistently late in turning-in their homework, appealing borderline grades and occasionally bringing “kodigos” during exams.

Check out entry-level brand management positions in companies like URC, Century Tuna, RFM, New Balance, etc. Starting salaries are usually low but the work experience could prove to be a life-changing event.

i used to be the brand manager of a popular sports brand fighting against top brands like nike and adidas.... :grrr:

[c0Rinthian]

i used to be the brand manager of a popular sports brand fighting against top brands like nike and adidas.... :grrr:

mighty kid?.... grosby?... KAYPEE!!!! :rotflmao:

[LostBoy123]

advan tatak ng bayan!?

[greensloth]

mighty kid?.... grosby?... KAYPEE!!!! :rotflmao:

anta? hehehe... baka accel o world balance

[Vicxtel]

RAMBO yan!!

[sgtkamote]

7 years and 20++ units of failed subjects, now going strong on my IT career :D

[batherfly]

Ah, I can relate.

Meron nga naman kasing who chose the "wrong" course nung college sila, and syempre mahirap mag-excel in a field kung wala naman dun yung aptitude/interest mo.

For us who were, er, uninspired during college, napakadami namang opportunities in the "real world" to make up for our supposed failures. It's not good to live in the past, anyway, and there's lots of room for growth. Ang hirap naman kung 30 na ako and I still let my college performance define who I am. Ang malas ko naman kung ganun.

Ako 31 na ko, di ko parin alam kung anong gusto kong trabaho. I graduated with a degree of BS Occupational Therapy. Unfortunately, di ko talaga gusto, tinapos ko lang for the sake na makagraduate ako. I entered the BPO field. At first, gusto ko sya pero after almost 5 years, nagsasawa nako sa ginagawa ko and I feel that wala rin akong masyadong natutunan. Right now, iniisip ko ang achievement ko lang na maipagmamalaki ko is nakakatulong ako ng malaki sa mga magulang ko especially nang ma-stroke mother ko.

Nag-iisip na nga akong mag-resign ngayon pero naghahanap pa ko ng trabaho before I do that. Hay, ang hirap talaga ng buhay...

[baBy_GurL17]

Ako din, mediocre student pero gusto ko ng maayos na career. 6yrs ako sa college kase nagshift pa ako. What should I say during interviews if I'm going to be asked about my grades? Should I justify or just own it? I finished a business related course but I want to get in the IT industry. Ok ba mag apply na lang sa companies na nagttrain or take up short-courses while working?

[JustMarried]

Check out entry-level brand management positions in companies like URC, Century Tuna, RFM, New Balance, etc. Starting salaries are usually low but the work experience could prove to be a life-changing event.

Really, they're not very particular with the grades? I want to work with URC sana but don't know where to apply.

[KuyaDanny]

"Miserable grades are okay as long as you enjoyed your college days!"


Well, let me just say that I enjoyed my college days very much. Thank you.

[Dacs]

Enjoyment is a subjective term. You must have enjoyed having good grades :D

Not that I condone college students to be mediocre in their studies, but there are times that a hard slap in the face (and some solid kick in the balls) is a better teacher than having some good grades.

But if I were to start again, I will study better, far better than what I did in college.

Kaya nga hindisight is 20/20 :lol:

[KuyaDanny]

Oh, no. I definitely did not get good grades, Dacs. I would be ashamed to show you my transcript today. Good thing I won't be needing it anymore to look for a job or apply to graduate school. :)

But I would do as you would if I also had to study again. There's something to be said about discipline and rigor when it comes to acquiring, processing, and communicating ideas and information. Good students (the kind who get good grades) often have those qualities.

[angel_11]

got a lot failed/inc/dropped marks, tired of counting them.

im in my 6th year in college. im expecting to graduate in 2009. yehey.

im self supporting (i mean also supporting my family) half my college life, working in a call center. im loving my job, my company, and my supervisors are recommending me for higher positions, got to turn them down because i need a fixed schedule to go to school. so i guess career is waiting for me.=)

[mike168]

Ako 31 na ko, di ko parin alam kung anong gusto kong trabaho. I graduated with a degree of BS Occupational Therapy. Unfortunately, di ko talaga gusto, tinapos ko lang for the sake na makagraduate ako. I entered the BPO field. At first, gusto ko sya pero after almost 5 years, nagsasawa nako sa ginagawa ko and I feel that wala rin akong masyadong natutunan. Right now, iniisip ko ang achievement ko lang na maipagmamalaki ko is nakakatulong ako ng malaki sa mga magulang ko especially nang ma-stroke mother ko.

Nag-iisip na nga akong mag-resign ngayon pero naghahanap pa ko ng trabaho before I do that. Hay, ang hirap talaga ng buhay...

mag masteral ka nalang or kumuha ka ng mga board exams para ma boost confidence mo :D

[TheEndofDays]

Culiniary Arts, Long term (as in very long term)

When you grow old. Those overwhelming degrees (IT, Law, Eng'g, Mgmt, etc.) will not go along with your life, kasi merong mga young skills na sumusunod.

But cooking or making good taste for the tummy will definitely stay with you. Hahanapin yan bata man o matanda, mayaman o mahirap, graduate o di naka graduate.

So mag aral na sa mga Cooking schools and be a Chef (kahit hindi na maabot)

[superbad]

Culiniary Arts, Long term (as in very long term)

When you grow old. Those overwhelming degrees (IT, Law, Eng'g, Mgmt, etc.) will not go along with your life, kasi merong mga young skills na sumusunod.

But cooking or making good taste for the tummy will definitely stay with you. Hahanapin yan bata man o matanda, mayaman o mahirap, graduate o di naka graduate.

So mag aral na sa mga Cooking schools and be a Chef (kahit hindi na maabot)

siguro next year, second course or just as a hobby.... san best culinary school sa metro?

[boyaxx]

problema lang sa culinary, parang taga-luto or cook ang labas mo nyan, less prestige. Gustuhin ko man pero parang mababa ang tingin ng mga tao sa culinary eh..

[aticus]

I think it also depends on why you got bad grades. Some people, for instance, have the ability, but not the desire. If they get that fire inside later in life, then they can harness their potential.

It's totally different if a person got bad grades coz he/she was a blithering idiot. Passion can be regained. Intelligence? Ummmm... a bit tougher. :)