Advertising MLM under Job section of classified ads!!!

[TakeshiManganji]

Aside from myself, has anyone find this really annoying.

There are these people who will advertise with terms "managers" and "supervisors" and yet when you get there, it is actually MLM where you need to invest some cash.

I think it is very unethical to advertise MLM under job section. People at the job section are looking for jobs i.e. they are EMPLOYED, they work for a certain boss or employer. MLM on the other hand is a business opportunity.

People looking for job usually invest money only in submitting requirements. It is a waste of time if they find themselves in a situation attending in a 1 to 2 hour program when they don't have any money to "invest". They could have use that time in more productive things that they really want.

I have nothing against MLM, in fact I join MLM myself. I also attended some MLM meetings. The only thing I hate is when I read the ad looking for job, then it turns out to be MLM. If the ad has been honest and said its MLM, or at least said that it is a business opportunity, then some people like me might find it very interesting.

For the record, I've encountered three "jobs" that turns out to be MLM from THE SAME company. I will not mention the name of that company, but I am so pissed-off that I decided to join one of its competitors :bleh:

This practice is very unethical and deceptive. Running a business is also a job in its true sense, but the "job" section of classified ads are meant for people who have skills but no money. Business opportunity section is the one that is for people who have skills and willing to invest money.

[KuyaDanny]

Make your frustration work for you and others.

Expose them, for heaven's sake.

Why aren't you mentioning the name of the company? The more people know about it, the fewer people will be fooled by their tactics.

PEx is a lot about ordinary people helping other ordinary people by sharing information so everyone gets ahead. Or at least, not left behind. In Classifieds we give feedback about buyers and sellers. Good AND bad. Keeping quiet only gives these jokers more time to find victims.

[TakeshiManganji]

The reason why I opted not to tell the compay's name is because, just as I said, I joined one of its competitors. I don't like to give impression that I am setting a propaganda to destroy another company.

My objective in starting this thread is not to expose other companies, or some people's modus operandi. Rather I want to hear the other people's opinion regarding this practice., especially those people who are doing this practice.

I am saying that putting an MLM opportunity on Job section is unethical because of the reasons I already mentioned. However this is MY PERSONAL OPINION. Those people who do this practice might be able to provide some justification why they are doing such practice.

Why is it NOT UNETHICAL to put MLM opportunity on job sections?

Is there any law restricting how and where an ad should be placed on a newspaper?

[stratboi]

YES!!!!although my experience didnt actually transpire here in PEx, may naencounter na kong ganyan beware of this company who looks for JUNIOR MANAGEMENT trainee for a food and beverage company, its just a front.

The ad required us to wear business attire,to bring a resume and head head to the Shangrila Plaza hotel for the interview, to my surprise, it was not what I expected it to be, there was a long queue of undergrads like me waiting to enter the conference hall, I only learned then that the company was an MLM..

so guys be very careful..

[ahmed]

Sometimes it is not the fault of the MLM company. Often, those kinds of advertisements are done by over-zealous distributors without the knowledge of the company. I too have been victimized by these job ads that turn out to be MLM plots.

This should be taken up in meetings at the Direct Selling Association of the Philippines (DSAP) and should be addressed in their code of ethics because this style is a cheap and disgusting way of attracting customers.

There are people who hate MLMs and its salesmen. It would be a lot better if they disclose in full honesty that it is an MLM company. By doing so, they will attract people who really desire to be networkers.

[tolstoy]

Goodness gracious!

Very few even mention the company they represent, even if they are not in MLM.

I've come across hundreds of posts asking for the name of the company or the product and rarely will you find a soul proud enough to do so. If they ever do, they even get flamed.

Do remember that the company you work is your source of livelihood and your work puts food on the table. If you offer something, then be proud enough to name the product or service.

[TakeshiManganji]

Originally posted by stratboi
YES!!!!although my experience didnt actually transpire here in PEx, may naencounter na kong ganyan beware of this company who looks for JUNIOR MANAGEMENT trainee for a food and beverage company, its just a front.

The ad required us to wear business attire,to bring a resume and head head to the Shangrila Plaza hotel for the interview, to my surprise, it was not what I expected it to be, there was a long queue of undergrads like me waiting to enter the conference hall, I only learned then that the company was an MLM..

so guys be very careful..

Junior managemenet... Shangri-La Plaza....

Dude, di ba yan yung drinks na pang - gain - lose weight, na isa-substitute either sa lunch o dinner? :evilgrin:

Originally posted by ahmed
This should be taken up in meetings at the Direct Selling Association of the Philippines (DSAP) and should be addressed in their code of ethics because this style is a cheap and disgusting way of attracting customers.

DSAP has a website right, forgot the URL though. I still have the calling cards of those people who fooled me into coming in these "job opening" MLM meetings. Is it still ok to give their names, and explain their gimmicks on DSAP even if that's more than a year ago.

There are people who hate MLMs and its salesmen. It would be a lot better if they disclose in full honesty that it is an MLM company. By doing so, they will attract people who really desire to be networkers. [/B]

You're right. There are people who are really interested in MLMs. And some are not interested not just because of the "pyramiding" connotation of MLM, but also because selling is not their talent, skill or interest.

[hamaliel]

Oo nga nakakainis *** mga ganun. I know that MLM is good business but then why beat around the bushes? Well siguro dahil narin sa wrong impression ng mga tao sa MLM kaya kikidnapin nalang nila *** mga tao for them to better understand. Pero di nila naiintindihan minsan na ang taong iba ang kondisyon ng utak rarely understands even the tiniest detail of what they're talking about!!

[hard2kill]

Originally posted by TakeshiManganji
Junior managemenet... Shangri-La Plaza....

Dude, di ba yan yung drinks na pang - gain - lose weight, na isa-substitute either sa lunch o dinner? :evilgrin:



DSAP has a website right, forgot the URL though. I still have the calling cards of those people who fooled me into coming in these "job opening" MLM meetings. Is it still ok to give their names, and explain their gimmicks on DSAP even if that's more than a year ago.



You're right. There are people who are really interested in MLMs. And some are not interested not just because of the "pyramiding" connotation of MLM, but also because selling is not their talent, skill or interest.

Ang tunay na MLM ay kumikita ka sa product sales commissions, at hindi sa registration fee ng downline mo. Yong mga pyramid na pares pares dyan, na kapagka nagkameron ka ng isang pares e my 1500PHP ka, dapat pinagbabawalan na ang mga yan e. Scam yan e. pero subukan mong puntahan ang presyo ng products nila sa mol, ganun din sa 50% discounted nila..LOL

MLM is good if you understand it...

[ma_clara2002]

Research Ponzi scam and you'll get a better insight.

[Mickey19]

i just started an MLM thread called "THE REAL TRUTH WOTH MLM" i exposed everything there!!!

iwas narin dito sa mga co.

1. LEGACY FOR LIFE
2. FIRST QUADRANT
3. I-GEN
4. POREBER LIBING

yan yung mga top na MLM co. that used unethical ways of recruiting

[earnmore$$$]

[nike_girl]

well, i think it's not fair to generalize on those MLM's but, i guess, it serves as a precaution na din. because not everyone fits the networking business...i for one, is a member of igen and uniloads but, i assure you, i am open to my prospects and downlines...NO FUSS or HIDDEN AGENDA...

[elao2]

[Post deleted by moderator]

To whoever posted the ad here which I deleted:

There is a right place for your business, and it is not in this thread.

- KD

[beingvane]

POREBER LIBING

or FOREVER LIVING???

[darkprince126]

INTRO / SUMMARY:

most MLMs promise outrageously huge payback in just a few weeks/months WITHOUT working your butt off compared to 6-8 hours of employment!!! be your own boss, this is your own business, no strings attached, yada yada yada...


TRANSLATION:

1. sell outrageously expensive and overrated, sometimes freaky products and get money from downlines' reg. fees and sales, which really means, "WORK YOUR BUTT OFF, BOY 24/7!!!" by 50% recruiting, selling (inc. gimmicks and stuff) - 50% bull-shi*ting, exagerrating (benefits & your salary) etc.

2. not reaching the quota sale, maintenance for the month or no downlines will give you ZIT, KAPUT, NADA! NO BOSS OR STRINGS ATTACHED, EH? no BS, no nothing.. :crazytongue:


THE "NICE" SIDE OF MLM:

1. if you're a guy (preferably a conman) who is afraid of normal work, but you got the gift of gab (who does not get tired speakin' sh*t non-stop), like you're really suaaaavvveee at bull-shi*ting and ripping-off people by selling ultra-costly overrated products or letting them join into your "business", then you have a high percentage to succeed in this career. man! you might even become one of the guys they feature at their "success" stories at seminars. you'll be the toast of conmen and naiive people around the nation. gee! what a recognition!

2. if you're a super-rich guy who has lots of super-rich friends who have nothing better to do with their moolahs, then join this business and have fun selling your stuff to family, panyeros y panyeras, then invite them to join. it would be a blast in the start, but maintaining the so-called equilibrium is another matter. buying costly leather shoes, bags, belts, etc EVERY month MIGHT sustain it though. VERY practical...

3. if you're a fellow who believes in the "taking from juan, then giving to pedro and so on" kind of system - someone who can "intelligently" and ferociously :ferocious: justify all the crap, then this is also for you.


THEREFORE:

to clear thinking individuals, read and study an MLMs marketing system (e.g binary system, matrix ", hybrid ", etc). why study? what for, you ask? so you'd see all the holes and slam all those bull-sh*ts of that recruiter back in his/her lyin', exaggeratin', no-good deceiving face!!! :diablo:


TOP MLMs:

1. LEGATION FOR LIFE
2. FIRST QUADRANT... OF CIRCULAR MISERY
3. I-GENOCIDE
4. FOREVER LIBING
5. VISION IN LIFE... NOT WORTH LIVING
6. D.X.N. (DIE in XTREME NEGATIVITY)


think folks! let a clear mind do the thinking, not your greedy emotions. God Bless and More Power... to those who think! (kala nyo tapos na no? hehehehe) :naughty:

[lady_artemis]

so true, your highness! :lol: u are one heck of a smart-***!!! i loved the way u exposed the yapidiyapyap-crap of MLM... very effective sarcasms! made me laugh for over 30 mins!!! :rotflmao: i might have to update you, though. there are budding MLMs anew. those that are internet-based and those that sell icky stuff made from crap! u should blast these too. can't wait to hear more from you, darkprince!!!

[ferkhite]

kase naman sa hirap ng buhay ngayon tapos naghahanap ka ng trabaho then yung ganun ang makikita mo or sasabihin sayo na managers etc...wanted talagang kakagat ka sana ....naiisip nila na hirap na sa buhay mga tao ngayon sana sinasabi nalang nila na mlm company sila talaga para malaman kaagad ng tao....

[ferkhite]

o nga *** beware sa mga ad na kelangan nila branch trainor,supervisors madami sila branch I myself navictim na ko nyan yun pala water purifier ipapabenta sayo...ingat lang mga tol...........

[LottomagicZ4941]

That doesn't just happen with MLM. It happens in direct sales as well. One time I almost missed an interview for a real job becasue the "Mannagement" interview was running over. It was to sell Enclopedias. I walked out and just barely made the next interview.

Lotto
http://com4.runboard.com/blifetheuniverseandeverything3.fmainchat.t38
MagicZ4941A

[tatsumaru]

TakeshiManganji, yup I hear you. I noticed there are a lot ads now trying to recruit suckers as "office staff", "customer service" or "health consultants" for WELLNESSWORKS INC. The company is nothing more than a distributor of Herbalife products in the Philippines, Thailand, and apparently in other parts of Asia as well. These products have already been banned by the FDA since they contain ephedrine or its herbal form (huang ma) and have been proven to cause a variety of ill effects including abdominal pains, high blood pressure, stroke, seizures, and in some reported cases, death. I don't think I need mention the number of cases filed against Herbalife. I seriously doubt anyone with a conscience would even consider working for a company like this, in light of such moral implications. Imagine selling and providing customer support for products, knowing full well it could kill people. Herbalife has been scamming people from the beginning, so these recruiters (read "scammers") are probably suckers themselves who are either too greedy or to lazy to find out the facts.

[Amphitrite]

Hi! I realized that the point of TakeshiManganji was misunderstood. He have nothing against MLM but the people who fool jobseekers into coming for an interview and seeing an MLM presentation. He did not say that all distributors and mlm companies are scams, he just said that there are some who are very dishonest. We have to admit that there are some who would do anything including fooling people just earn for a living, that is why we still have greedy politicians right? :grrr: :bop:

Do you think it is fair to drag those few honest people into the pit like the scammers? :confused:

But there are distributors, direct selling people who really want to work their butt off in their business because no one would hire them probably for the reason that they have not graduated from the top schools like UP, La Salle and Ateneo :mecry:

I once applied for a corporation in Makati as Accounting Staff or Sales Executive but they offered me the Receptionist position instead, I accepted the offer because I needed the salary even though it is only P8,000, to my dismay somebody told me that almost all of the Sales Executives and other poisitions are filled by graduates of "high-priced schools" mind you some are average students, but "scholars" like us which came from PUP are pushed to the bottom of the corporate ladder for reasons we don't know. I eventually resigned, joined their competitor and sold 2 units in my first month. I like sales because it is very challenging and I can earn a lot if I work hard.

Let the scammers know that you hate them by telling them personally and let the honest ones do their business without worrying about people who hate all MLM distributors.

Like what the celebreties often say "If you're popular and successful, there are people who gets jealous and will plague you with distructive lies to pull you down or worse beat the hell out of your whole existence."

I found something that may be useful to everyone, I hope you'll read it because it opened my mind to the truth of Network Marketing and I hope you will too.

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Network Marketing
by ROBERT KIYOSAKI author of the best seller – Rich Dad, Poor Dad

The Network Marketing business is a way for the average guy, without much money to keep their daytime job, and really build an asset that sets them free.

For the average person, a Network Marketing business gives him a chance; it gives him to take control of their life.

The best thing about a Network Marketing company is that if you can stay strong, 5 to 10 years, you will become a completely different person. And I think most important thing is not how much money you make in Network Marketing, but it gives you back your control of your life, your choices and your dignity. And I think today, that is priceless.

There are too many people out there who are weak and wimpy and they expect the government and their company to take care of them. I'd say it's wake up time, if what I say sounds rude and tough to you, well I think that is kind of the world I see right now. Get tougher and smarter, that's what I am recommending. I think that's what Network Marketing offers to that many people that opportunity (financially) for themselves.

So why doesn't everyone go out and start their own Network Marketing business?

I think the subject we are talking about is fear. I have a coward inside of me, I know that person very well. This is the battle we all face. And I think often times, cowards ask other cowards, and they get talk out of it, or they go, 'Why would you do that', and they get bullied into being a coward.

A normal franchise cannot save you if you still do not have the mental and emotional toughness to withstand the world of business, so Network Marketing is really about franchises of the individual, but first it has got to make the individual strong.

Network Marketing levels the playing field ,... if you perform, you get paid. And if you do not perform, you do not get paid. And if you do not like that, than the business is not for you.

That is what I love about Network Marketing. It is not about your college degree, it is not the family you came from, your race, your attractiveness, or whatever the stuff that people do to discriminate. It is really about performance, money talks, the rest walks. So if you can't stand that, then it is really not for you.

In Network Marketing, they want you to get better. In the corporate world, they do not want you to get better. You get better, you threaten their job. So it is a completely different environment in Network Marketing.

If I have to do it again, I might have gone into Network Marketing, it makes more sense because the systems are in-built for you...

ROBERT KIYOSAKI author of the best seller – Rich Dad, Poor Dad

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[LottomagicZ4941]

Hi! I realized that the point of TakeshiManganji was misunderstood. He have nothing against MLM but the people who fool jobseekers into coming for an interview and seeing an MLM presentation. He did not say that all distributors and mlm companies are scams, he just said that there are some who are very dishonest. We have to admit that there are some who would do anything including fooling people just earn for a living, that is why we still have greedy politicians right? :grrr: :bop:

Do you think it is fair to drag those few honest people into the pit like the scammers? :confused:

But there are distributors, direct selling people who really want to work their butt off in their business because no one would hire them probably for the reason that they have not graduated from the top schools like UP, La Salle and Ateneo :mecry:

I once applied for a corporation in Makati as Accounting Staff or Sales Executive but they offered me the Receptionist position instead, I accepted the offer because I needed the salary even though it is only P8,000, to my dismay somebody told me that almost all of the Sales Executives and other poisitions are filled by graduates of "high-priced schools" mind you some are average students, but "scholars" like us which came from PUP are pushed to the bottom of the corporate ladder for reasons we don't know. I eventually resigned, joined their competitor and sold 2 units in my first month. I like sales because it is very challenging and I can earn a lot if I work hard.

Let the scammers know that you hate them by telling them personally and let the honest ones do their business without worrying about people who hate all MLM distributors.

Like what the celebreties often say "If you're popular and successful, there are people who gets jealous and will plague you with distructive lies to pull you down or worse beat the hell out of your whole existence."

I found something that may be useful to everyone, I hope you'll read it because it opened my mind to the truth of Network Marketing and I hope you will too.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Network Marketing
by ROBERT KIYOSAKI author of the best seller – Rich Dad, Poor Dad

The Network Marketing business is a way for the average guy, without much money to keep their daytime job, and really build an asset that sets them free.

For the average person, a Network Marketing business gives him a chance; it gives him to take control of their life.

The best thing about a Network Marketing company is that if you can stay strong, 5 to 10 years, you will become a completely different person. And I think most important thing is not how much money you make in Network Marketing, but it gives you back your control of your life, your choices and your dignity. And I think today, that is priceless.

There are too many people out there who are weak and wimpy and they expect the government and their company to take care of them. I'd say it's wake up time, if what I say sounds rude and tough to you, well I think that is kind of the world I see right now. Get tougher and smarter, that's what I am recommending. I think that's what Network Marketing offers to that many people that opportunity (financially) for themselves.

So why doesn't everyone go out and start their own Network Marketing business?

I think the subject we are talking about is fear. I have a coward inside of me, I know that person very well. This is the battle we all face. And I think often times, cowards ask other cowards, and they get talk out of it, or they go, 'Why would you do that', and they get bullied into being a coward.

A normal franchise cannot save you if you still do not have the mental and emotional toughness to withstand the world of business, so Network Marketing is really about franchises of the individual, but first it has got to make the individual strong.

Network Marketing levels the playing field ,... if you perform, you get paid. And if you do not perform, you do not get paid. And if you do not like that, than the business is not for you.

That is what I love about Network Marketing. It is not about your college degree, it is not the family you came from, your race, your attractiveness, or whatever the stuff that people do to discriminate. It is really about performance, money talks, the rest walks. So if you can't stand that, then it is really not for you.

In Network Marketing, they want you to get better. In the corporate world, they do not want you to get better. You get better, you threaten their job. So it is a completely different environment in Network Marketing.

If I have to do it again, I might have gone into Network Marketing, it makes more sense because the systems are in-built for you...

ROBERT KIYOSAKI author of the best seller – Rich Dad, Poor Dad

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Perhpas some people are bitter about MLM because they thought it would be easy?

And comming from a farm background I don't really consider it work. That one guy went on about how us MLMers are rich kids. Well, I came from a poor farm family. And my aunts and uncles were already in a MLM or not that intrested. And I totally agree with your not over generalizing. Not all MLMs have over priced stuff. Though sometimes I think the best comp plan would be 1% commison for 10 levels. A smaller slice of a bigger pie:)

Just had a lady try and get me to an opportunity meeting under the guise of a job interview.

Have a resume' on monster and it is very clear I don't want to be bothered with anything less then 40K.

It is like the temp agency that sends you out on a job below your contract rate.

Lotto
http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243210
MagicZ4941A

[star_studded_21]

Yep. It actually depends on the way these MLM companies present and strategize on how to recruit people. Even my cousin received an offer for a an HR position in a call center then it turned out to be FOREVER LIVING. Yup. Total waste of time and money for buying a new pair of a 500-peso top for that goddamn interview.

[star_studded_21]

http://www.entrepreneur.com/bizopp/network/0,6104,,00.html


LEARN MORE ABOUT MLM

[lilintian]

TakeshiManganji, yup I hear you. I noticed there are a lot ads now trying to recruit suckers as "office staff", "customer service" or "health consultants" for WELLNESSWORKS INC. The company is nothing more than a distributor of Herbalife products in the Philippines, Thailand, and apparently in other parts of Asia as well. These products have already been banned by the FDA since they contain ephedrine or its herbal form (huang ma) and have been proven to cause a variety of ill effects including abdominal pains, high blood pressure, stroke, seizures, and in some reported cases, death. I don't think I need mention the number of cases filed against Herbalife. I seriously doubt anyone with a conscience would even consider working for a company like this, in light of such moral implications. Imagine selling and providing customer support for products, knowing full well it could kill people. Herbalife has been scamming people from the beginning, so these recruiters (read "scammers") are probably suckers themselves who are either too greedy or to lazy to find out the facts.


I got this ad from a newspaper looking for events coordinators. I was scheduled for an interview so I went there kanina. It turned out to be a "multi-level marketing" company that distributes Herbalife products. pati pala ibang applicants iba din yung inapplayan nilang trabaho. Good for me, i wasn't easily convinced. I told my interviewer that I didn't apply for that kind of job. Imvierna. :grrr:

[verniel_cutar]

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[meisalas]

Ang pumupunta sa Job section, naghahanap ng trabaho... naghahanap ng trabaho, para magkapera not just for the heck of finding a job. Kung may nag-ooffer ng MLM, if you really reasearch about MLM's ... the main purpose is to help people achieve financial freedom, not financial security. For those advertising MLM, just do your due diligence ... but people advertising MLM on the job market because of two things, they want to help people because it's through helping people succeed that they too will succeed.
Kung may naiinis, ganun lang talaga... you can't please everybody... but sa totoo lang, may mga nagpapasalamat na tao dahil they will not stumble into a great opportunity if not from a certain MLM advertisement.

[EricGozar]

I am not FOR or AGAINST MLM, but I had some small research done a while back (2 years ago) and this posting made me post thru a website that details the pros and cons of MLM marketing. You will not believe it but MLM in it's purest form is nothing like ordinary MARKETING. Read this article on this link:
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http://mlm.gozar.biz
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or my blog in this mirror site at:
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http://what-is-mlm.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-really-is-mlm.html
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Hope this public article enlightens both sides of the opinions fences!

Cheers! everyone and lighten up!

[raqstar]

whoa! I really dont know na marami *** apektado sa MLM.

eto lang masasabi ko!
Congrats sa mga marunong makinig at open to find the new opportunity!
Congrats din sa mga marunong kumilatis at hindi basta-basta nagpapadala!
Congrats sa nakaka-alam na ika-4 types of career ang MLM.

Sorry **** sa mga hangang don na lang ang kaya ng utak nila:(


pero kanya-kanya lang way of success. *** **** mawawala kung pag-aaralan mo eh. Kung alam mong sigurado ang success mo sa EMPLOYMENT then go! Kung sa BUSINESS,go! Kung FRANCHISING,go!and kung sa MLM,go!

Ang mahalaga pinag-aralan mo ang takbo kung papano mo **** makukuha yung gusto mo or goal mo sa buhay.

About **** sa nag adertise ng MLM sa JOb SECTION. Well,kaya nga adverstisement eh. heheh! My god! think about it.


It's a matter of pride
yun ang totoo.
Maraming sarado utak.

[raqstar]

Hi! I realized that the point of TakeshiManganji was misunderstood. He have nothing against MLM but the people who fool jobseekers into coming for an interview and seeing an MLM presentation. He did not say that all distributors and mlm companies are scams, he just said that there are some who are very dishonest. We have to admit that there are some who would do anything including fooling people just earn for a living, that is why we still have greedy politicians right?

Do you think it is fair to drag those few honest people into the pit like the scammers?

But there are distributors, direct selling people who really want to work their butt off in their business because no one would hire them probably for the reason that they have not graduated from the top schools like UP, La Salle and Ateneo

I once applied for a corporation in Makati as Accounting Staff or Sales Executive but they offered me the Receptionist position instead, I accepted the offer because I needed the salary even though it is only P8,000, to my dismay somebody told me that almost all of the Sales Executives and other poisitions are filled by graduates of "high-priced schools" mind you some are average students, but "scholars" like us which came from PUP are pushed to the bottom of the corporate ladder for reasons we don't know. I eventually resigned, joined their competitor and sold 2 units in my first month. I like sales because it is very challenging and I can earn a lot if I work hard.

Let the scammers know that you hate them by telling them personally and let the honest ones do their business without worrying about people who hate all MLM distributors.

Like what the celebreties often say "If you're popular and successful, there are people who gets jealous and will plague you with distructive lies to pull you down or worse beat the hell out of your whole existence."

I found something that may be useful to everyone, I hope you'll read it because it opened my mind to the truth of Network Marketing and I hope you will too.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Network Marketing
by ROBERT KIYOSAKI author of the best seller – Rich Dad, Poor Dad

The Network Marketing business is a way for the average guy, without much money to keep their daytime job, and really build an asset that sets them free.

For the average person, a Network Marketing business gives him a chance; it gives him to take control of their life.

The best thing about a Network Marketing company is that if you can stay strong, 5 to 10 years, you will become a completely different person. And I think most important thing is not how much money you make in Network Marketing, but it gives you back your control of your life, your choices and your dignity. And I think today, that is priceless.

There are too many people out there who are weak and wimpy and they expect the government and their company to take care of them. I'd say it's wake up time, if what I say sounds rude and tough to you, well I think that is kind of the world I see right now. Get tougher and smarter, that's what I am recommending. I think that's what Network Marketing offers to that many people that opportunity (financially) for themselves.

So why doesn't everyone go out and start their own Network Marketing business?

I think the subject we are talking about is fear. I have a coward inside of me, I know that person very well. This is the battle we all face. And I think often times, cowards ask other cowards, and they get talk out of it, or they go, 'Why would you do that', and they get bullied into being a coward.

A normal franchise cannot save you if you still do not have the mental and emotional toughness to withstand the world of business, so Network Marketing is really about franchises of the individual, but first it has got to make the individual strong.

Network Marketing levels the playing field ,... if you perform, you get paid. And if you do not perform, you do not get paid. And if you do not like that, than the business is not for you.

That is what I love about Network Marketing. It is not about your college degree, it is not the family you came from, your race, your attractiveness, or whatever the stuff that people do to discriminate. It is really about performance, money talks, the rest walks. So if you can't stand that, then it is really not for you.

In Network Marketing, they want you to get better. In the corporate world, they do not want you to get better. You get better, you threaten their job. So it is a completely different environment in Network Marketing.

If I have to do it again, I might have gone into Network Marketing, it makes more sense because the systems are in-built for you...

ROBERT KIYOSAKI author of the best seller – Rich Dad, Poor Dad





I AGREE!!

[raqstar]

Why I support MLM?
I am working student and i was looking for a job that could support my expenses,...Thanks sa mga ads and thanks din sa mga company na nag response. Marami rin akong nka-usap about MLM and hindi **** ako bobo *** di ko kilatisin yung sistema nila. What good thing I did was listening and learning the system. Syempre may lokohan din or scum but I found this company na totoong click sken.

Eto pa,*** **** trabaho na hindi mahirap eh.
Syempre I worked hard and nakita ko **** result.
Now my earning is bigger compare sa mga manager ng mga employment company..

Guys,,masaklap kasi maraming hindi kayang makinig at pag-aralan ang sistema.
Kahit anong larangan ng buhay parating may sistemang sinusunod. Ang tanong "san sistema ka sasabay?"

[raqstar]

I am not FOR or AGAINST MLM, but I had some small research done a while back (2 years ago) and this posting made me post thru a website that details the pros and cons of MLM marketing. You will not believe it but MLM in it's purest form is nothing like ordinary MARKETING. Read this article on this link:
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http://mlm.gozar.biz
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or my blog in this mirror site at:
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http://what-is-mlm.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-really-is-mlm.html
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Hope this public article enlightens both sides of the opinions fences!

Cheers! everyone and lighten up!

Nice!! AGREE AKO DITO!
READ THE RICH DAD POOR DAD
at nang maliwanagan ang mga taong apektado

[promayk]

Can we just create a separate thread exclusive for MLM only just like what we did on Call Centers? This way we can avoid flooding both the threads on 'income opp' and 'job section' with MLM posts. If this is not feasible, then can we lump all MLM ads in one thread only, either under the 'income opp' or the 'job section'.

[MarvinDXN]

Hello, everybody,
I am 59 years old, a retired insurance salesman, now into MLM with DXN INTERNATIONAL. I am married to the most beautiful woman in the world and we have three grown-up children, all doing well in DXN as we share with others the DXN lifestyle of health, livable income and time freedom.
If you are interested to learn about my DXN business, you may log on to my personal website at http://livingurdreams.ws or our companny website at http://dxn2u.com.
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Please open your eyes to MLM, it's has improved the lives of millions of people all over the world for so many years now.

[pinkraindrop20]

MLM? It is really sad that it started on a wrong foot here in the Philippines and have companies (MLM companies) that are harsh and have false advertisements in inviting guests to attend. MLM is a business option and not a job interview/application...

[foolcha]

People failed in MLM Business because they think it is a get rich quick scheme, which is actually not! it is sipag at tiyaga just like any other business.

Filipinos perception of MLM is pyramiding (Scam) which is actually not true (but there some) who does not have a usefull products but rely only on recruitment (which i think is the bad side of MLM). A good MLM must give opportunities to its members even without recruitment.

Our Company IMG (International Marketing Group) is not an MLM but it is a financial distribution company (networking) which focuses on financial products (life insurance/non-life/mutual funds/real estate/health care/HMO) to name a few, we also teaches individuals to be there own financial planner through our basic-advance money management seminar (which is free).

To all interested you can pm me for more information. :)

[freeoptions]

....you are talking about the popular HERBALIFE...daming distributors nila posting ads as if mag hire kuno ng Managers or Supervisors yun pala MLM...at meron rin tlaga positions na Manager at Supervisor sa kanilang complan hehehehehe...

...mabuhay ang Herbalife!

[gareth_esutera]

Oh my... biglang nagsulputan ang mga spammers na nagpo-post ng MLM ads dito... mga off-topic

[crusch]

i just came across this website, with complete info about it's MLM business...I tried to watch it's videos from product presentation to opportunity upto the testimonials....it seems convinscing...can anybody enlighten mo...if it's too good to be true...the site is called U Can Now Work at Home For Health Conscious and Business Venturers (http://www.altmedph.com/products)

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[<<mdcj09>>]

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[<<mdcj09>>]

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[juvrax2009]

http://www.entrepreneur.com/bizopp/network/0,6104,,00.html


LEARN MORE ABOUT MLM

yes, that is right...learn it first... www.mlm.com.

some of you are being unfair when it comes to mlm. i am not a rich guy, i was employed for 8 years., and for 8 years of working, i was just receiving a fixed salary, no matter what i have done... working overtime...but when pay day came, i received the same. i am not against employment, i was once an employee too. but, things are really changing....prices are rising up....and no one can stop it. right?

let me ask you something, and please try to answer it honestly.

do you have something in your mind that you think can make you a freeman(financially)? with your status right now?

some of us are having a hard time to accept that people who are in the mlm industry are actually earning much more than that you are earning every month. it's true, that there is a bad networking and also good ones. and its up to you what company you will join(if ever).

WHAT IS REALLY YOUR VISION IN LIFE?

last year 2000 our problem is what? of course MONEY.
last year 2005, what is our problem? the same. MONEY.
right now, what is our problem? MONEY.
in 2010? what? MONEY.....

there are lots of ways to earn big money. here are some..
1. go abroad....but you need a lot of cash to go there.
2. franchising....do you have millions?
3. mag-artista... ang tanong. artistahin ba mukha mo? hehehe:rotflmao:
4. traditional business.... big capital
5. mlm(good mlm), small capital, and you will earn as much as you want.

act now....sayang ang panahon. but for those you are advertising their company in a wrong way.... try to help guys and your earnings will come your way....give them your honesty, and honesty will come back to you. give them your respect and you will be respected. give them your passion, give them your care, give them your HELP. beleive me, you will be happy and your prospects will be happy too, that you are honest and willing to help them. income will follow.

and for those you are not into mlm....try to listen and evaluate yourself and ask yourself WHY?...thank you and god bless us all, we must believe in ourselves, and of course in our God...every life is unique, we must embrace life fully...in order to reach our goals....

[wakokocrunch]

depende sa pananaw ng tao yan. business opportunity nga e why waste it! like me d k sinayang.

http://pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387157

check my post. gusto ko ishare sa inyo. wala masama kung magtanong lang kayo. kung d nyu nagustuhan walang pilitan.

[gregpacsis84]

interested to earn money not just this summer but for the years to come? this is a multi level marketing. for details text me 09204407655

[hooyanghooya]

interested to earn money not just this summer but for the years to come? this is a multi level marketing. for details text me 09204407655

Anong gimik na naman yan????

[hooyanghooya]

yes, that is right...learn it first... www.mlm.com.

some of you are being unfair when it comes to mlm. i am not a rich guy, i was employed for 8 years., and for 8 years of working, i was just receiving a fixed salary, no matter what i have done... working overtime...but when pay day came, i received the same. i am not against employment, i was once an employee too. but, things are really changing....prices are rising up....and no one can stop it. right?

let me ask you something, and please try to answer it honestly.

do you have something in your mind that you think can make you a freeman(financially)? with your status right now?

some of us are having a hard time to accept that people who are in the mlm industry are actually earning much more than that you are earning every month. it's true, that there is a bad networking and also good ones. and its up to you what company you will join(if ever).

WHAT IS REALLY YOUR VISION IN LIFE?

last year 2000 our problem is what? of course MONEY.
last year 2005, what is our problem? the same. MONEY.
right now, what is our problem? MONEY.
in 2010? what? MONEY.....

there are lots of ways to earn big money. here are some..
1. go abroad....but you need a lot of cash to go there.
2. franchising....do you have millions?
3. mag-artista... ang tanong. artistahin ba mukha mo? hehehe:rotflmao:
4. traditional business.... big capital
5. mlm(good mlm), small capital, and you will earn as much as you want.

act now....sayang ang panahon. but for those you are advertising their company in a wrong way.... try to help guys and your earnings will come your way....give them your honesty, and honesty will come back to you. give them your respect and you will be respected. give them your passion, give them your care, give them your HELP. beleive me, you will be happy and your prospects will be happy too, that you are honest and willing to help them. income will follow.

and for those you are not into mlm....try to listen and evaluate yourself and ask yourself WHY?...thank you and god bless us all, we must believe in ourselves, and of course in our God...every life is unique, we must embrace life fully...in order to reach our goals....


Kalokohan!!!! Naghahanap ka na naman ng ma uuto mo... Me help others ka pa dyan na nalalaman...

Mag-ingat kayo sa MLM dahil pagkatapos nyo ma recruit, iiwanan na kayo nyan!!!! Pinerahan na kayo!!!

Mag-ingat kayo sa matatamis na pangako nila, paasahin lang kayo.

Yung mga produkto nila, overpriced..

Kung ako sa inyo ibili nyo na lang ng bagong cellphone, PSP, at kung ano anong layaw nyo sa pera nyo kaysa ibigay nyo sa manlolokong MLMer.

MLM=Pyramid=Ponzi=Scam

[p23]

yeah! very annoying nga yung mga nagpopost ng mlm jobs, for sure naman karamihan ng mlm mga scam.

[bogs8812]

lolz daming mak_t_d utak dito...magtrabaho kayo until you're 65 saka nyo sabihin ulit yang mga sinasabi nyo ha...goodluck!para sa mga gusto mag MLM aralin nyo mabuti...daming resources dyan...gamitin nyo mga kokote nyo..pag l_ser ka at puro ka reklamo dahil puro negative laman ng utak mo eh mamundok ka na lang...malamang pag tanda mo ganyan ka pa rin...kawawa naman mga anak at apo mo...haha! ouch ba?

[fumoffu]

7 greatest lies of network marketing

Kapag nabasa ng mga tao at mga "beteranong MLM'er" tong ebook na to. Baka magbago at umayos ang industriang ito at magbago ang tingin ng mga tao... I'm still hoping..:(

[rehxyn]

trabaho din naman ang mlm , ang pangit lang, kung networking talaga yung ads nila dapat sabihin direct to the point di ba? para maganda.. eto yun guys, kung sa una pa lang niloloko na kayo, what more pa pag nagjoin ka , tama? kilatisin ang mga mlm mabuti, ang magandang mlm kumikita sa product sales, hindi sa pagrerecruit lang may pera kana, buti pa sa amin, wala kami kinikita sa pagrerecruit sa product sales kami ng group, kaya maganda talaga marketing plan namin.. ang buhay mo nakasalalay sa sarili mo kung pano ka magsusumikap, totoo yun ang pagyaman hindi madali, hindi nakukuha ang pera sa isang pitik lang, dapat pinaghihirapan yan at huwag magmadali.

[azhdeha]

aralin nyo muna guys. salita kayo ng salita eh hindi niyo naman alam ang MLM. magsalita kayo kung talgang naloko kayo, hindi iyung "iyng friend ko naloko na diyan", "naku, sabi sakin scam yan". kayo ba ang nakaranas? hindi diba? so paano niyo nasasabi na MLM nga iyung mga company na malaki magpasahod?
magsalita kayo kung naranasan niyo na.

[shane.27]

yung mga wala nmn alam about MLM wag kayo agad maghusga alamin nio muna bago kayo magsalita .. masyado kase sarado utak nio .. may dahilan kung bakit di nila agad cnasabe na MLM yung inooffer nila nsau padin nmn kung sasali ka .

[TFDjolan]

Read this even Bill Gates Teach Success in Network Marketing or MLM

Network Marketing Training- Bill Gate’s Success Training for Graduates

May 29, 2008
Life is Fair? HAA!

Someone sent me this and I LOVED it.

He tells it like it is.

Love him or hate him, he sure hits the nail on the head with this! Bill
Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not
and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically
correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality
and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.

Rule 1: Life is not fair – get used to it!

Rule 2 : The world won’t care about your self-esteem. The world will expect
you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You
won’t be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4 : If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had
a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it’s not your parents’ fault, so don’t whine about
your mistakes, learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren’t as boring as they are
now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and
listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you
save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent’s generation, try
delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS
NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they’ll give
you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn’t bear the
slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don’t get summers off and
very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on
your own time..

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to
leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you’ll end up working for one.

You gotta love it!

http://passionfire.com/networkmarketingnews/network-marketing-training/network-marekting-training-bill-gates-success-training-for-graduates/

Or read books of Robert Kiyosaki, A Multi-Billionaire who wrote the Rich Dad and Poor Dad..

for me like the other said, wala naman pilitan pag ayaw ayos lang. I respect naman people's decision, the true success of Network Marketing is how you help other people to be successful.