Why do frats haze new members?

[nix]

I can't fathom this one. Doesn't violence lead to more violence? And while we're at the topic, why do frats exist anyhows? I know that it is probably for the network and some brotherhood thing, but something tells me that over the years, the spirit that used to drive fraternities of old has been tainted.

[-~JuVy~-]

I have absolutely no idea.

[Zen]

I guess they want to be sure their recruited members are REAL men who can stand pain.. etc? Though I have no idea why they have to go to such extent that some die just to prove themselves... :(

[Maverick]

it's beyond my comprehension...

[Yoshi]

Kasi trip lang nila???
I think it's more of an "I'm the boss here" thing. They just pass it off as tradition.

[CaRaMBa]

I understand what Kamats and Ira have explained. But I agree with Nix, I think brotherhood should be rooted in love, not in violence. I mean, I think there are other ways to build trust. And going through a traumatic experience isn't the only way to bond.

[Kamatayan]

It's supposed to bond them by formenting trust between the members... It like "I trust you with my life and you can do anything with me because I trust you"... Something like that...

[Ira]

Because they believe that if you go through something as traumatic as that with your brods, and especially your batch, the bond that is established is deeper, compared to let's say just mere "inuman tayo para member ka na ng frat namin" thing. And, like Kamats said, you have to put your trust in your brods, because once you're in, they will be more than your friends...brod in the truest sense dapat.

As for fraternities being tainted...while some fraternities have not maintained strict "quality control" over the years (i.e., kahit sino-sino iniimbita), there are a few discriminating ones out there still.

[nix]

But I don't see how you can trust someone who beat you up. Shouldn't the converse be true for this?

Brotherhood is rooted in love isn't it? I don't think that harming someone, beating the life out of him, accomplishes anything. What confuses me the most is how the people who were beat up, seem to take no offense for the harm done to them.

[oscarwarez]

regarding the hazing thing, i guess it has been a tradition...since everybody has gone through it, why would there be a need to exempt somebody.
but frats nowadays are concentrating more on service (being a neophyte) as compared to the pain inflicted by hazing (paddle swinging). :(

[Maverick]

oscarwarez: now that's better, spending their time and energies on something worthwhile. why on earth did they not think of that before?

[Ira]

About the trust thing...I mean you have trust them with your life, literally. You should feel that they're not going to kill you. Unfortunately, as you guys know, some fratmen are not to be trusted. There are fraternities in UP who invite guys to be neophytes purposely to beat them up, because they don't like him.

[CaRaMBa]

Ira, why not, uhm, jump of a cliff while the master waits at the bottom to catch you, or something? I dunno, parang there are other ways lang to show trust and build trust.

[Ada]

I heard that the logic behind hazing is that since neophytes went through so much pain to get into the frat, their loyalty to it is secured. After all, wouldn't you put more time and effort into something you really worked hard for, where you actually risked life and limb?

UP has now established a rule that when frats conduct initiations, a faculty member must be present in order to deter hazing. Some frats, however, still manage to skirt this rule.

What's your stand on public humiliation? Most orgs have this in lieu of being beaten black and blue. Isn't this a form of hazing as well, though not the life-threatening kind?

[Ira]

Jumping off a cliff would be a situation where you can't control the outcome, unlike when you beat up a neophyte. Usually they have alumni brods who finished medicine regulating the hazing. When they get beat up, they get beat up as a group. It's something the whole group has to go through together--they don't usually isolate batch members from each other, I guess it's some kind of "team-building" of some sort.

I personally never beat up a neophyte (yes, some sororities beat up neophytes, too), although we did have public humiliations and a little pain involved (I won't reveal what na lang. It's private.) I went throught the humiliation and pain bit too, though nothing as severe as like in one frat I know of (they clip your balls using hemostats and rub an old 6-sided PhP2 coin on your sternum; there's also that electrocution with a wire attached to a 110 volt plug after you get splashed with cold water, and of course, the classic paddle-the-leg-with-a-boat-oar bit). I didn't really make a fuss about the public humiliation and pain, because it wasn't really a big deal to me. I completely trusted my sisses in that they will never purposely do anything life-threatening. Unfortunately, not all frats/sororities are like that. The best way to avoid it would be to check their reputation--war freaks ba? Jologs ba? I don't think there's a very difference with public humiliation in orgs and CONTROLLED, non-life threatening physical beatings in frats, because for some the risk of humiliation is more unbearable than a little pain.

[This message has been edited by Ira (edited 12-03-1999).]

[Kamatayan]

Caramba: Pano naman pag si KaFATid yung icacatch ? kawawa naman yung mag catch...

[Zen]

Siraulo ka talaga Kamats! :D

[ICE_CUBE]

owel, its not our prob anymore, they're stupid. parents nga nde mapalo palo yon anak nila minsan..then ull let strangers hit you just like that?! dang!

[*~AzY~*]

Hazing has been part of the final stage of the initiation rites required by every fraternity since time immemorial. Supposedly a gauge of one's manliness, neophytes are subjected to both physical and mental anguish such as being paddled, kicked, slapped, punched and other totally demeaning behaviors. Death is not an objective here. Come to think of it, no organization would want a dead member, right? Unfortunately, without having to ask for one, some fraternities have been getting just that...a dead member.

While we condone the death of a neophyte and that justice should and must prevail, the issue here is why people are joining the fraternities to begin with. One has to understand that the foremost objective of most, if not all, of these so called exclusive groups was to promote brotherhood. Nevertheless, we should be reminded that brotherhood is not synonymous to violence. It never was and it never will be.

Violence among brotherhoods is as inevitable as violence among the world. The entire human race will have to go through a very humongous transformation in order to evolve out of the mentality that to rise to power, one has to crush all - literally. Furthermore, there is the well-enshrined belief amongst men that physical torture is a prerequisite to glory and power. It is claimed that even the most non-violent person is sometimes transformed after undergoing and surviving such a life-threatening ordeal that not most people can and or are willing to endure. Similar to a military boot camp, where trainees are made to undergo rigorous physical exertions, training officers emphasized that such test of endurance is supposedly geared to strengthen and fortify one's character both physically and mentally. A most probable end result is the increase in one's ego and self-confidence. This appears to be what most frat members believe.


(this is an excerpt of an article i wrote for my college newspaper after kuya mike died)

[CaRaMBa]

Kamats: Sira.

Ira: You mentioned team building, parang there are betters ways to do this? I guess like Nix, whatever the purpose of hazing, whatever reasons are given, I just can't comprehend this. :(

[Ira]

I guess, but the I think fratmen believe that nothing ties a batch closer together than suffering together. Since I'm in a sorority and not a frat, I can't really completely speak for them. :)

[ChiQui]

I will have to agree with what Ira said about hazing. It builds trust among the brothers. But there's really not much to worry about hazing nowadays. The frats themselves have gotten stricter as to what can and cannot be done to the neophytes. Also, if the neophyte's dad also belongs to the fraternity, they allow and in fact, even encourage the presence of the father in the initiation rites. And they also make sure that a doctor is always present.

[Neo_Sphere]

Its probably to know how far they would go just to get in ? , but if you really think about it , maybe they are just trying to be cool ?

[ChiQui]

Well.. in my honest opinion... I don't think so. They are very well aware that there's nothing cool about violence and physical injuries. That's why most frats nowadays don't use hazing anymore. At least not of the physical kind. I think they use more of the mental and the emotional kind. :)

[Ira]

It's not trying to be cool. If they want to be cool they would have opened their initiation rites to the public and let everyone see how tough and macho they are to go through that kind of physical pain. Neophytes seem to be viewed as an unsuspecting victim here...contrary to what most believe, neophytes are usually told even at the orientation what kind of physical tests they will have to endure come hazing rites. One fraternity I know shows an unedited video clip lasting a couple of hours of the previous batch's hazing to applicants, and they're told that if they think they can't get through that they shouldn't think they're being forced to join.

[dudutt]

I think the recent Frat deaths resulting from severe beatings are just the tip of the iceburg. How many students get badly beaten up by their fratmates but survive?

[bavard]

I think it's unfair to generalize. I'm not saying that because I'm a frat man. It's just that mahirap kasing i-explain 'yung whole process & it's really hard to comprehend until you become a member.
Also, I cannot speak for other fraternities.
In our case kasi, there is such a thing as "Master Initiator". He is the one in-charge of the whole initiation process & in the "Big boss" during the initiation period. He calls the shots, meaning, mas mataas pa ang turing sa kanya kesa sa president, or even alunmi brods.
But before the initiation begins, he has to prepare a programme to be followed during the whole initiations. Dito lang pwedeng mag suggest ang officers or mga alumni. Then this is submitted for approval in a general assembly. After the program has been approved hindi na pwedeng baguhin 'to.
He can suspend anyone in the fraternity, if he thinks lampas na sa program ang ginagawa n'ya. There are always alumni brods present during the initiations.
One more thing, the physicals part is just like 10%, it's more on the psychological, & mental part.
I agree with Ira & Chiqui about the "Trust & bonding thing", & I speak just for myself when I say this, walang kasin-sarap ang feeling pagnatapos kana esp. when you & your batchmates talk to your younger brods about your experience. And kahit first time mo palang mameet 'yung alumni brod it's like you've known them a lifetime already.
There I've said my piece. Hope u guys understand my being passionate about it.
Kanya-kanyang case 'yan, but I'm telling you if I had to do it all over again, I would still do it. :)

[:Þ]

I guess they 'haze' neophites so they become a loyal member.

[barfly]

bump

[mac_bolan00]

what a bunch of over-protected gladiolas! your daddies are rich enough to shield you guys from the real world so why worry about fratmen?

[jokertweety]

hazing don't build trust. it just paves the way. trust and loyalty requires time. it's not the process, it's the fear that separates the determined neophytes from the "wanna-be-cool" types. members shoul be aware of what the neo is capable, his medical records, weak points.

but how the process is performed depends on the quality of the current members. if they are the irresponsible types, then it could be too late for the neo to realize that he is joining the wrong one. also, accidents could always happen, though my personal view is that responsible members will minimize it, and will be prepared just in case.

[iratootsie]

i agree with bavard. there is a sis who supervises the whole process. we are monitored the whole time and we have acts that are considered foul. if ever that happens, the act is turned to you. may corresponding na parusa yun.

there is a program na sinusundan and hindi mo pwedeng pagtripan.

sa amin kasi lahat ng process may corresponding explanation - why you had to go through it and stuff

para sa akin, hazing is different from initiation. hazing is the extreme meaning of the initiation process.

so tip nalang, just what like Ira said, pumili kayo ng papasukan nyo. :)

[JonStriker]

Hazing is violent and barbaric.
It is prevalent in UP Diliman.
Therefore most UP students, especially the frat men, are violent and barbarians.
Welcome to the jungle!

[tyanak_me]

Originally posted by JonStriker
Hazing is violent and barbaric.
It is prevalent in UP Diliman.
Therefore most UP students, especially the frat men, are violent and barbarians.
Welcome to the jungle!
Straightaway I can see you're not from UP. I'll think of several schools and mark "ADMU" as a very strong possibility.

:rolleyes:

[R3'91]

... bawal na hazing, mga kids ...

[phalluscolossus]

I am really disturbed about this Hazing thing as a requirement to joining such organizations like fraternities. But,

I am AGHAST that violence/hazing is being done against women in sororities!! Specially with the fratnenity brothers being just present and indifferently just watch theses girls take all that beating and do nothing about it since they are on a strict hands-off policy when it comes to admitting members in a sorority!!

F U C K these people. It's like your little sister being beaten black and blue by the so-called sorority sisters and you do nothing but watch it happen before you. How could these people stomach such violence against women.

I almost broke up with my girlfriend when I learned that she joined one without telling me and she just freakin wont quit the
F U C K group. Ironically, I felt like killing them, all its members male & female and shooting them in their heads one by one!!

[kYuPoL]

... to condition the minds of new members...

Parang military. Dapat mga myembro nila ay may "brutality" sa katawan nila kahit papano. Para pag may rumble, at napalaban mga neophytes, at least, the fear of getting hurt and hurting another person is lessened...

Its like the kid who always gets beaten up by his parents grows up bada$$ tough dude... and does not feel remorse hurting another human being...

Its just my opinion though... Pero ako, meron pa rin akong hesitation manakit ng tao... Even if I gone through violent and humiliating COCC "hazing"... I can't step on somebody's body when he's down... I cannot just strike the nose really hard... split second decisions really mean a difference in a fistfight.

Siguro di talaga ako dapat pang-giyera... Kaya kahit anong hazing sa kin, will not turn me into a killer... :(

[mac_bolan00]

Originally posted by phalluscolossus
I almost broke up with my girlfriend when I learned that she joined one without telling me and she just freakin wont quit the
F U C K group. Ironically, I felt like killing them, all its members male & female and shooting them in their heads one by one!!
maybe your girlfriend is trying to teach you a thing or two. you know: courage, loyalty, perseverance, and a good clean sense of adventure. ;)

[iratootsie]

Originally posted by kYuPoL
... to condition the minds of new members...

Parang military. Dapat mga myembro nila ay may "brutality" sa katawan nila kahit papano. Para pag may rumble, at napalaban mga neophytes, at least, the fear of getting hurt and hurting another person is lessened...

Its like the kid who always gets beaten up by his parents grows up bada$$ tough dude... and does not feel remorse hurting another human being...

Its just my opinion though... Pero ako, meron pa rin akong hesitation manakit ng tao... Even if I gone through violent and humiliating COCC "hazing"... I can't step on somebody's body when he's down... I cannot just strike the nose really hard... split second decisions really mean a difference in a fistfight.

Siguro di talaga ako dapat pang-giyera... Kaya kahit anong hazing sa kin, will not turn me into a killer... :(


Im sure that COCC "hazing" is a whole lot different from fraternities and sororities.

the initiation is not done to make a killer out of someone. with the military or with the COCC, hazing is a different concept. i know because i am an officer myself.

sa sororities and fraternities di naman kami pumapalo ng walang dahilan. there is always a reason why we have to do things. pwedeng para madisiplina yung members.


IMHO. :D

[slickmugen_13]

Originally posted by iratootsie
Im sure that COCC "hazing" is a whole lot different from fraternities and sororities.

the initiation is not done to make a killer out of someone. with the military or with the COCC, hazing is a different concept. i know because i am an officer myself.

sa sororities and fraternities di naman kami pumapalo ng walang dahilan. there is always a reason why we have to do things. pwedeng para madisiplina yung members.


IMHO. :D

gee...I don't know about that Ma'am. I was a CAT-Officer, COCC Cadet (ROTC), and a member of a well-known fraternity.

Highschool palang ako nag training kami under UP ROTC Officers under a program to train young cadets to be CAT Officers. Grabe sila...nasa ilalim kami ng araw...sinusuntok kami (YAH!) kapag may konting mali,..being hit by an m1 garand until shoulder being bruised (hindi naman 'yun malakas...basta mahina pero repeatively para ma pasa..M1 GARAND ba naman!)....basta ang dami...equivalent to hazing na ehto. Its quite uncanny, because of the training and initiations I got during those times made me easy to cope up hazing when I joined a frat group.

Oh BTW, this was in 1998 kaya hindi ko alam ang standards ng ROTC ngayon since wala na ako sa Philippines.

[kYuPoL]

...Pero nang ako na naging officer, pinagtripan ko lang mga COCC... di naman brutal or sadistic way... just the funny way... :rotflmao:

Push up position... ASHUER!!! Tapos harap sa kanan, kaliwa, hanggang magmukang robot na puppet na aanga anga... Tapos pag tumawa, squat... :lol: Tapos after 5 mins of power tripping, pinababayaan ko na sila... :)

[ground_break]

For guys to **** other guys

[Introvert_S]

well, ako sa ROTC lang nakaranas ng hazing and since militaristic yun, I'm not surprised....


pero mas interested ako on how SORORITIES haze their neophytes. we've had enough news on paddling incidents sa mga frats and we can even imagine our male doers/shakers of today na nakaranas ng ganito. but how about yung mga soro? can you imagine Winnie Monsod, Ces Drilon etc... na dumaan ng hazing when they were joining Sigma Delta Phi?

[advancement]

:cool: Para malaman kung sino ang astig at para mag-quit ang mga nagpapacute lang. :cool:

[iratootsie]

Originally posted by slickmugen_13
gee...I don't know about that Ma'am. I was a CAT-Officer, COCC Cadet (ROTC), and a member of a well-known fraternity.

Highschool palang ako nag training kami under UP ROTC Officers under a program to train young cadets to be CAT Officers. Grabe sila...nasa ilalim kami ng araw...sinusuntok kami (YAH!) kapag may konting mali,..being hit by an m1 garand until shoulder being bruised (hindi naman 'yun malakas...basta mahina pero repeatively para ma pasa..M1 GARAND ba naman!)....basta ang dami...equivalent to hazing na ehto. Its quite uncanny, because of the training and initiations I got during those times made me easy to cope up hazing when I joined a frat group.



IMHO hazing is different from initiation. initiation is the process and hazing is the exploitation of the process.

like i said, hazing in the military is different from "hazing" sa soro and frat. but then again, its just my humble opinion. :D

[slickmugen_13]

Originally posted by iratootsie
IMHO hazing is different from initiation. initiation is the process and hazing is the exploitation of the process.

like i said, hazing in the military is different from "hazing" sa soro and frat. but then again, its just my humble opinion. :D

ok then...can I just say hazing is part of the initiation in reserve military training. :) Anyway as far as I remember naging issue ang hazing sa PMA...which I wasnt surprise...pero alam ko maya namatay ata noon...mid 90's 'ata yun issue na yun.

[mac_bolan00]

as long as it won't kill you or leave a lasting scar (physical and/or mental), it's probably OK. imagine frats having members a lot like the guys in PEX. que horor!

[RECORDER]

Im ok with fraternities especially the academic frats of course.

As for the other types of fraternities (in UST we have frats, but they are recognized by the university) I dont see a reason why some people have to resort to using violent means to prove loyalty or whatever of their new recruits. Im speaking of the news of course, I've never really seen a "harsh" type of frat.

Whats the use of brotherhood if its going to haunt you all your life? Hinder your academic progress? or worse terminate your existence? The reason why frats exist is to foster camaraderie and goodwill of a particular group adhering to a similar principle in life, and never to foster enmity and strife among people.

I also agree with Mr. Mac_B. Any initiation will do, as long as it wont kill or leave a person with one hell of a lasting scar. (Hey! I like the way I wrote that!) :D

[DigitalAnalog]

To haze, is to obfuscate, to muddle. Thus, something hazy would denote something that is unclear, something that you are not sure of.

In joining an organization, you have a vision of what you want to achieve. You can see the prestige and recognition that comes with being part of an elite group.

And it's easy. That's why seniors must "haze" the clear visions of success of the neophytes. They are being made to undergo treatment that would cloud their drive to push through with their membership. What was once clear must be made uncertain.

After the haze is gone, the seniors would then see who among the neophytes have maintained their firm and resolute vision of their goals in joining.

Thus, the haze distinguishes the ones most likely to make a difference and stand by their convictions from mere wannabes who flinch at the slightest of dangers.

[iratootsie]

ok then.

im just saying na magkaiba and hazing sa military and sa soro/frats.

anyway, hazing is not in our vocabulary :D

[advancement]

Originally posted by RECORDER
(Hey! I like the way I wrote that!) :D
Tuwa na siya nun? :p

[mac_bolan00]

Originally posted by nix
I can't fathom this one. Doesn't violence lead to more violence? And while we're at the topic, why do frats exist anyhows? I know that it is probably for the network and some brotherhood thing, but something tells me that over the years, the spirit that used to drive fraternities of old has been tainted.
for one, mr. soft child, hazing can ingrain lessons far better than an overpaid professor. take for example the issue of loyalty. no fratman from UP has ever led a military mutiny (although some have declared martial law or some revolution of sorts)

if you work for a man,
then in heaven's name WORK FOR HIM,
SPEAK WELL OF HIM,
AND STAND BY THE INSTITUTION HE REPRESENTS.

remember that an ounce of loyalty
is worth a pound of cleverness.

if you must grovel or condemn
and eternally find fault, why
RESIGN YOUR POSITION!
and when you're on the outside,
DAMN TO YOUR HEART'S CONTENT!

but as long as you are part of that institution,
DO NOT CONDEMN IT!
for if you do,
the first high wind that comes your way
will blow you away.
and probably you
will never know why.

[radialhead]

joining has its advantages and dire consequences. or you might not choose to join altogether.

the choice is yours so learn to discern.

[radialhead]

:confused:

[Chad]

I've been reading this thread, analyzing everyone's reply, and so far, it has only reinforced my opinion about this whole thing.

This hazing thing really disgusts me. No matter how "effective" this method is in instilling "loyalty" to the new members of a fraternity, the very nature of the screening method for new recruits already fosters a culture of violence and misguided brotherhood.

Violence we all know why. There is absolutely nothing that can justify this. I read from a post that beating up someone ingrains loyalty far better than an overpaid professor. In that case, I might as well beat up my girlfriend so she'll be loyal. That'll work. She might as well beat me up with a 2x4 so I'll be loyal as well.

The "guidelines" that someone mentioned - about having a faculty member, or even a PARENT present when their child is beat up - are sickening. What kind of a parent would stand idly by and watch their child get beat up? All in the name of brotherhood? I dunno about you guys, but if I see my son or daughter be subject to an orgy of pain by a group, I'd kill them all so fast they wouldn't know what hit them.

But beyond my personal disgust over violence in hazing (which I think I adequately expressed in the 2 preceeding paragraphs), what disturbs me most about this hazing thing is the concept of misguided brotherhood / sisterhood. Sure, having gone through a common violent experience strengthens the bond between the members. But where is their loyalty placed? To the fraternity, not to society at large. Not to the country. This would be fine if the frat members don't occupy sensitive posts in the government.

Generally speaking (I'm sure there are exceptions), fraternities and sororities often work together for the betterment of their orgs, NOT for society / country. Sure, this may seem like a trivial thing, but when you think about how the law schools of this country is pervaded by fraternities, you'll see how bad this can get.

You see lawyers, judges, and even government officials all conniving together all because of this sense of brotherhood. My friends, who are members of fraternities in Ateneo Law and UP Law, all talk about how the judges of their fraternity agreed to ruin the cases of lawyers from a particular law firm since he belongs to a different frat and he screwed up someone from the other frat. What the hell kind of public service is that? Where loyalty to the country is lower than loyalty to your fraternity? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Brotherhood or sisterhood is fine. Working for society in the name of brotherhood or sisterhood is great. Getting your *** kicked just to get the loyalty of your members strikes me not just as stupid, but cowardly as well. My apologies if anyone gets to be offended by this, but I just can't accept it. Speaking my mind, as the tagline says. Fostering a misguided sense of loyalty to the organization up and above loyalty to your country and society is the most damaging aspect of this "tradition." Pamilya muna bago bansa. If it's a choice between following the rule of law vs. helping out my fraternity brother who is in need, more often than not the fraternity brother takes precedence over the rule of law. Now tell me, in the larger picture, in the bigger scheme of things, in the long run, is that right? Is that proper?

Sigh.

[mac_bolan00]

you're disgusted precisely because you can't comprehend so before we leave things as they are, i think you and your GF might have something kinky going with the 2x4 ;)

[advancement]

Hazing can come in many forms. In a fraternity it is done with something long and hard. Same as with my girlfriend. That's why she's very loyal to me.

[DigitalAnalog]

As a member of a military organization that practices such a tradition, I say it is better to bleed in training than to die in battle.

[palikpik]

i don't think fraternities "haze" new members. i believe it is the neophytes they do.

[ShowMeTheMoney]

Our frat is one of 6(?) UP frats to have had an initiation result in the death of a neophyte.

Hazing is not something which can be easily removed from the initiation process. It is not just a matter of the resident brods sitting down and saying "ok, tama na, iba nalang gawin natin". It involves sitting down with various alumni members and thorougly discussing it. What makes it hard is that every brod lives through a different "stage" of the frat. Some live through the golden years of the frat, some live through the age of rumbles (ie mid-late 90's) etc... Therefore every brod sees things differently. Some want to enforce stricter rules, some want to take it out completely while some are not ready to break tradition.

A fraternity is an institution, and just like any institution the longer it's been around the more set it becomes in its ways, these ways eventually become tradition and tradition is not something that is easily broken. Believe me.

But there have been serious efforts within the fraternity community to completely eliminate hazing from the initiation process. Fraternities and sororities have enforced stricter rules and some are relying more on the mental and psychological part and have kept the physical part to a minimum. Although I do not believe in the all-popular saying among fratmen that it is "10% physical and 90% mental". I would say it's around 40% - 60& respectively. 30& - 70% at best.

Here's a tip to those who plan to join frats/soros: The important thing is the quality of the resident members. They are the ones who will handle your initiation and they are the ones you will spend most of your time with. Some frats will regale you with the names of their rich and popular brods pero yung residents naman walang kwenta and most likely these rich and powerful alumni of theirs probably don't even care about the fraternity. The first thing to look at before joining a frat are the residents.

Another thing is that frat initiations are not as bad as some people make them out to be, nor are they as easy as some make them out to be. In all our initiations since I joined the frat there was never any one initiation which even came close to serious injury or death. The worst I have seen are neophytes panicking and fainting and one common sight are neophytes shaking in tears.

Although make no mistake about it, regardless of whether you join an established fraternity or a kalye gang, initiation is not something to joke about. Never ever join a fraternity or sorority just for the sake of being cool or being curious about it. Make sure you really want to join. Dapat buo ang loob mo na sumali.


As for me, would I be willing to do it all over again? No.
Would I be willing to remove hazing as a part of our initiation process? No.


(I do not speak for all fraternities, these are my own personal opinions stemming from my observations of the UP frat community as well as my experiences within the fraternity.)