Why most companies are so bias in hiring grads from Elitist Schools?

[Swatch]

I am wondering...why even the smallest companies nowadays are so bias in hiring graduates from Elitist Schools (La Salle, Ateneo, UP, etc)? Even at the point of favoring/prefering a not-so-intelligent grad (with failing grades pa nga minsan)of an Elitist School over an Honor Graduate of a so-so school..especially those coming from the provinces. During my first job, I was even told by my boss to get rid of entertaining engineering grads from AMA (no offense meant to all Jolinians!) when I was tasked to interview fresh grad applicants for an available position in our dept., I was completely stunned by his order, but sad to say, that is a reality in most companies and is a fact!. What are the real reasons? Pano na lang kung talagang magaling ka kaso you just graduated from an obscure university or college in Manila or in the provinces. Can somebody explain why? I believe, companies should also give chance to deserving students from other schools,i.e. ..companies should not just limit their options to grads of Elitist Schools and lessen their being biased, but also entertain or give equal share of the pie to graduates of any refutable school whether its in Manila or in the provinces. In my case, I'm an engineering grad and since my school is very strong in my engineering major (actually a COE by CHED), it wasn't difficult for me to land a job in a prestigious technical/MIS company because I graduated from one of the top engineering schools in Manila, which is not even an Elitist School. Siguro it depends na rin on the course you finished whether your school is strong in this and that. Anymore reasons you can think of?

[zyxthyn]

its so unfair. it is what u call as d educational discrimination. most companies do not give other grads a chance, not all grads naman of elitist school have brains diba? marami din namang mga "bobo" sa sikat na school, and there are also good graduates from not-so-good-school diba?

[MisterHappy]

I remember my former boss, who graduated from La Salle, telling me our company should only be accepting graduates from UP, UST, La Salle and Ateneo.

But I tell you, although majority of the Philippine companies weed out graduates from other schools, it doesn't really follow that the company will definitely like you even if you graduated from one of these 4 most prestigious universities in the philippines.

Some of the bosses really think that if you are a UP, Ateneo, UST or La Salle grad, you unquestionably belong to the cream of the crop, but sometimes end up biting their nails after discovering how stupid they were the time they hired you.

peace!

[allycia]

in fairness din naman sa mga elitist schools, i think one reason for this na rin is from the company's experience which usually nga kasi, those that really excel and do good in the corporate world are those who came from these schools, kaya nagkaroon na sila ng ganong generalized impression....

one more thing, kung yung supervisor is an alumni of one of these schools, mas confident na siyang kunin yung galing from the same school dahil alam na niya what kind of education and training the applicant has already acquired....

pero i agree na dapat they should give everybody an equal chance from the start....

[Yoshi]

I don't think it's just a matter of the school being elitist. I think it just goes to show that graduates from these schools are supposed to be good. Though there are other students from less known schools who may be as good as these elitist kids, the fact still remains that the name of the school influences the company a lot.

[Ira]

The reason why they have a bias for those 4 schools at ENTRY LEVEL positions is because these schools have been around a long time and have proven track records. Companies will rather bet on someone who came from a school which has a tradition of excellent education than from an obscure school that might just turn out to be diploma mills.

[ZipBreak]

This is an interesting topic, and well, thought-provoking.

In my experience, and from what I have encountered through others, most companies that are biased towards elitist universities/colleges are the local companies. Most foreign-based companies check the qualifications, the background, and the "potential" to grow with the company.

In one company I worked for, we normal employees get to participate in selecting whom to interview for a job vacancy. This is more democratic because even if most of the people are biased, it tend to balance out in the end. The only real discrimination I encounter is whether to hire males or females. Most companies want a balanced employee population. So if the guys clearly outnumber the girls, then the new hires should be girls, and vice versa.

I hate the practice of "preferring" grads from elite schools too. Perhaps it's because I've met people who do claim to be very good, but won't come up to par with the others I know who are NOT from elite schools.

In the end, I believe it's not the school. -- it's the student. After graduation, it's your attitude towards achievement that will propel you, even if you had been the most intellectual person, or the the most seemingly-mornic, in your campus during your college days.

You can just imagine how difficult it is to sell myself since I'm from AMA, and I haven't even graduated yet. The companies who offered me jobs are foreign-based ones because they believe I fit the bill, diploma or no diploma.

For the record, most countries don't hold Philippine universities in any esteem approaching respect. It think only UP gets some marginal attention. My mother lived in New Zealand once, and she said that potential Filipino employees have to take an exam to prove their qualifications, regardless of whatever school they finished their degrees in the Philippines.

[Kamatayan]

I think that it is a legitimate "bias", companies choose from certain schools because the students there are ON THE AVERAGE better than the AVERAGE graduate. Sure there rotten apples also but in general grads from these schools are safe choices.

Zipbreak: I think it is both THE STUDENT AND THE SCHOOL. You may be the best student there is but if your school has a rotten system then you won't learn anything. Besides, the best and the brightest DO GRAVITATE to certain schools. LAWYERS to UP, BUSINESSMEN and PARKING ATTENDANTS (just joking La Sallites... hehehe) to DLSU, ARCHI and ENG to UST, etc...

[Kamatayan]

BTW, they are ELITE schools NOT ELITIST... :-)

[ann]

i think it all depends on what kind of work needs to be done ... one reason i can think of is that grads from these so-branded elite schools r more confident of themselves & the kind of work they can churn out ...

my grandaunt [she's 90 now] did not graduate from up, ateneo or la salle ... but when she applied for work [one advertised as needing a male], her confidence got her the position [that's in the '30s!] ... late-version kwentos have it that she manhandled the personnel mgr, but that's another story ...

a piece of advice for applicants: hand-carry ur resume, demand [nicely but firmly] to see the hiring mgr, don't be intimidated by underlings who're like flies on a carabao [to anglicize a tagalog simile ;)], believe u r qualified to do the work & prove it ... & while still in school, strive to improve urself beyond the pt offered by ur curriculum ... to be safe, have [b]true friends from those schools that get "special" treatment & find out what makes them different, if they r any different at all ...

Kamatayan: i suppose up & the others mentioned can be classified as elitist as well ... why do u suppose they get only a tiny fraction of the total applicants they get every yr? if the schools r just elite & not elitist, then they should be among the best in the country [world?] yet willing to accept everybody whether or not they can hack it through the rigid weeding out process every term ... maybe the students/alumni, by their perceived potential [at least by their schools' criteria], might be considered the elite of their generation? ;)

[This message has been edited by ann (edited 11-19-1999).]

[Kamatayan]

Ann: But they DO admit idiots in these Elite Schools. You know yung mga malakas ang kapit, malalim ang bulsa at anak ni Mr. X. In that sense, they are not elitist... :-)

Oh and I agree with you, confidence IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TRAIT to have, outweighing even talent...

[ann]

oh, i forgot, grads of these "favored" schools can also bluff convincingly ... regular card-playing, with bets[!], can help polish that skill [bridge & poker r my best bets] ... ;)

[KuyaDanny]

I graduated from one of the "Big Three" schools. Despite everything the graduates say and do to distinguish themselves from products of the other two (of the Big Three) schools, at the end of the day they are more alike than different.

And...please get ready for this...

We would rather not hire Big Three graduates for entry-level jobs. Why?

They are so full of themselves. They think they're so good; they're full of complaints; they don't want to do dirty work; and they want to be the boss on their first week on the job.

Non-Big Three graduates are happy to get a job. They want the job more. They are willing to learn. They will work very hard and pay any price to improve themselves. We'd rather have them on our side, any day, every day.

[This message has been edited by KuyaDanny (edited 02-08-2000).]

[emilie]

Not all companies are biased, although because education from those so-called elitist schools are good, companies tend to look for graduates from them.

I don't think it's correct to generalize that those graduating from the 3 schools are so full of themselves, don't like to do the dirty work, full of complaints, etc. A lot are willing to work hard and learn the ropes, even at a lowly entry-level jobs.

Each graduate is unique and should be treated differently.

[MisterHappy]

Based on my experience, the best performers are those who graduated from the Ateneo, UP and UST. That's why most of the companies prefer these schools to the others. The last company (a well-known international bank) I worked for had this bias towards the Ateneo, UP, UST, and DLSU.



[This message has been edited by MisterHappy (edited 02-09-2000).]

[tr|n|ty]

It is sad that even if all of my friends and family come from the top 3 schools (ateneo, UP, dlsu), they seem to be complacent most of the time that just because they're from those schools they can get anywhere. Which is kinda true for the case in the Philippines. You have to admit, in Philippine society, person's success is based on family background and educational background. I think the reason for top companies for preferring graduates from the top 3 schools is that they've seen the hard work these graduates had to endure to enter and finish in those said schools. SO they know what these kids are made of, kung baga. So the bottomline is, students should work hard in getting into these schools because this maybe their ticket to success. But the sad part is, there's only so many students who can get into these institutions.

Every summer that i spend back home, i spend it on an internship. Almost all, if not all, of my co-workers in these companies(i worked in top financial institutions) are from UP, ateneo and DLSU. I'm not saying that people from other schools aren't as good but maybe they lack the exposure and the confidence to get in the upper circle. But that doesn't mean they're the best workers. My mom and dad and my bosses complain about how ateneans and ppl from UP tend to always go around the top companies and not stay put in one. That's i think is overconfidence. While as in my family's company, the non Top 3 alumnis are actually more intently into their jobs and work hard for keeping that job.

[clawed_out]

simple, cause they have made it to the top scools, most of the companies think that they're the best, so they hire them....

to think, it's like a campo campo system, dito puro lasallites, sa kabila camp ng ateneans , the list goes on..

is UST being discriminated here? well, i think so, based from my friends' experience.....nung nag practicum sila sa isang "top" company eh, na assign sila sa Hr department....here's the instruction for them....there are four slots in the applicants desk...one's UP, the other's ADMU, the other one's DLSU, & the other one: the REST, can you see that? & they were instructed to get 3 papers in each slot....see that?

& here's another one: one of our cum laude friend did apply in one company in ayala, & guess what she had been rejected for the main reason that is "hindi siya taga ateneo, taga lasalle or taga up" see that? how sick. hello, she's a cum laude. & UST's as competitive as those big three as they say.

so, why set us aside?
what's wrong with us?
is it that we dont practice elitism in our school?

[Scorpion]

Packaging.

Mas marketable sa employers kung labelled ka na:

Atenista
La Sallista
Isko (UP)

Kahit ano pa ang ituro sa iyo sa mga philo classes mo, hindi mo pa rin maaalis ang katotohanang mahilig at tumatangkilik ng mga stereotypes ang middle management.

Magbasa ng Dilbert.

[Entropy]

This is almost a cliche, but it's simply because these schools have higher standards and produce (i'm generalizing here) the most capable graduates.
Case in point: quite a few friends of mine have gotten kicked out of the Ateneo and made the dean's list in the universities they later enrolled in. It wasn't because of better study habits or determination -- after returning here, they didn't exactly wreck the QPI curve.

[tRiStAn]

i don't think that the bias is undeserved. let's face it. these "elite" schools didn't just earn their re****tion for nothing. look at most of the successful people. don't they usually come from such schools as AdMU, UP, La Salle? naturally, companies would seek and hire students from these respected schools. it may not be fair, but what is? in a competitive world, one has to have the upper hand. that applies to companies and people. having graduated from one of these elite schools is an advantage. for most companies, hiring these graduates is an advantage.

[elijah]

clawed_out: sa tingin ko talagang discriminated tayo dito, kasi ang UST ay hindi "elite" school...ngayon, tinuturing ng lipunan ang kagalingan ng isang institusyon batay sa mga estado ng kanyang mga mag-aaral.
Tingnan mo nga, mayroon palang "big-3", ngayon ko lang narinig yon! ang alam kong mayroon tawag ay big-4. Natural, wala tayo dun sa 'big-3' kasi ang range ng mga students ng UST ay class B pababa. Bakit ang La Salle(tabi-tabi po sa mga la sallista) bagong institusyon lang iyan, kumpara sa Ateneo,UST and UP, pero kasama sila (im sure) doon sa tinatawag nilang big-3.

may ilan lang akong katanungan.

Bakit, ang UST ba walang recognition?
Hindi ba nakakapag-produce ang UST ng mga magagaling na ESTUDYANTE at MAMAYAN ng LIPUNAN tulad ng ibang eskwelahan?

Ang sukatan ba ng kagalingan ay ang pagiging mayaman o naka-aangat sa buong lipunan?

Ganoon na bang kahuli ang UST bilang isa sa pinakamagaling sa institusyon ng mataas na pinag-aralan dahil sinusunod lang nito ang kayang layunin na 'ang edukasyon ay para sa lahat'?

yun pa lang po sa ngayon ang aking mga tanong.

[snoc]

Well UST is definitely a good school. The institution is well established dati pa however i think na they were not able to keep and develop yung standards nila. Its very easy to change and bring out new ideas pero mapanatili yon is a different thing so i guess yun and naging problem nila. La Salle is the youngest of the 4 institutions and yun and disadvantage coz they cant accept na this new institution will even surpass their standards.

[Seele]

EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Obviously this cannot be said in the RP setting. I agree with one of the comments that most of the Filipino companies (if not all) have this bias while the multi-nationals don't. If you check the websites of big MNC's, the words Equal Opportunity are always written in their on-line applications.

For the lack of equal opportunity in the Philippines, companies tend to favor some schools. For the same reason I believe that the cream of the crop do not necessarily "gravitate towards these schools". With the millions of students in the Philippines, not all get the opportunity to study in "good schools". If we look at the advanced countries, where education is accessible to all, there is no such thing as "favored schools". Germany for example where education is free from Kindergarten till PhD, there is equal opportunity in employment.

What I'm trying to drive at here is until such time when everybody in the Philippines will have equal opportunity for good education, this bias will continue. Beware, bias is only a perception. It is not a true measure.

[Barok]

to everybody: hay nako! nasa Pilipinas naman kasi tayo e... nagtaka pa kayo ...para namang kahapon lang tayo ipinanganak... ever heard of colonial mentality...kung i-eequate niyo yun sa style ng pag-kuha ng mga bagong empleyedo ng mga kumpanya...hindi ba ganon din ang ibig sabihin non?

kaya kung ako kukuha ng trabaho, kahit na hindi ako galing sa "BIG THREE" na yan, kung may ipagmamalaki naman ako, ba't ako papatalo diba???...PR lang yan!!!

sad but true, nasa disadvantage ka kung di ka galing sa mga ganitong institutions, PERO!!!, lalong walang mangyayari sa'yo kung nakatanga ka na lang sa isang tabi at hihintayin mo na lang na may makapansin sa iyong kakayahan... WALANG LUGAR DITO SA MUNDO ANG MGA TAONG NAGHIHINTAY LANG NG GRASYA!!! ika nga: If You Want It, Get It!!

kung wala kayong makuha ditong trabaho edi lumabas kayo ng bansa, hindi naman ipinagbabawal yon diba??? atsaka hindi naman kilala ng mga dayuhan kung sino talaga ang mga lasalista, atenista, taga-up, taga-ust o sinuman, wala silang paki-alam doon...ang paki-alam lang nila e kung sino ka?? ano ang natapos/nagawa mo?? at ano ang kaya mong gawin???

siyanga nga pala, kung wala ka talagang makuhang trabaho, me pera ka namang naipon (manutang ka kung wala),at higit sa lahat matapang ka (as in malakas ang iyong loob)...ba't di ka magtayo ng sariling negosyo na alam mo ay "in-demand"....alisin mo sa utak na ang pinoy ay hanggang "empleyado" lang... halimbawa, ang kapatid ko, bagamat hindi pa tapos sa pag-aaral e mayroon na siyang sapat na pera upang makabili ng sarili niyang kotse....ano ba kamo ang business niya??? Nagbebenta siya ng cellphone... She started from nothing to something...wala siyang kontak (supplier ng mga cel) so nagtanong siya sa mga kaibiga't kaklase niya (samakatuwid, ginamit niya ang kanyang bibig) ....ngayon nung makakuha na siya (ng supplies), BENTAHAN NA!!! mahirap gawin to kasi kelangang makumbinsi mo sila (buyers) na ang binebenta mo e kelangan nila... kaya kahit na masasabi kong galing ako sa isa sa "BIG THREE", e lumuluhod at pumapalakpak ako (pati tenga) sa mga taong tulad ng ate ko.

nakaka-degrade ba kamo sa image mo kasi hindi mo ito linya / kasi mag-mumukha ka lang palingkera / kasi iniisip mo ang sasabihin ng iba??? Ba't mo pakikinggan ang iba, sila ba ang magpapakainsa iyo / sa pamilya mo.. alam mo, ang mga taong biglaan rin sa pagyaman, e biglaan ding babagsak... sino lang bang mga tao ang bumibigla sa pagyaman?? di ba yun yung mga taong nag-tatrabaho sa gobyerno, mga drug lord, mga gambling lord... kung yayaman din lang naman ako, pero ang tingin naman sakin ng ordinaryong tao e magnanakaw...di bale na lang....ewan ko nga ba kung anong gamot ang iniinom ni Imelda at nakukuha niya pang humarap sa tao...

PILIPINO NGA NAMAN!!! tsk tsk tsk!!

[Jacob]

Most schools have their own field of strengths. Maybe that's one reason why companies tend to prefer graduates of this school from the other.

However, in the case of the advertising industry, this is just one of the factors/variables to consider when hiring an prospective employee. What is more important, especially in the Creative department, is his/her portfolio, even if s/he's just a fresh grad. It shows what you can do and your potential in paper. Another is the copy/art test. Applicants are given
actual strategies and they interpret it. Mas malinaw.

Most of the students from the other schools (meaning not from ADMU. DLSU. UP and UST) barged into the ad industry this way. Bale wala kung saan ka nag-aral (CDs don't even look at the grades, they don't even ask you if you graduated), ang importante ay kung magagawa mo ng magaling ang trabaho mo. Period.

[GiN08]

i think the schools shouldnt be ranked as to how elite the students are or the university is itself, cause each university has its individual course, there maybe a course thats good in UP thats not good in Ateneo or one in UST that isnt as good as the one in DLSU, thats is why the school is known for the courses it gives. i think all universities are all high in ranking, afterall are schools wouldnt be called universities if they didnt teach good...i guess the mentality of the companies today think that once u come from an elite school, u have better ideas, well all schools have different kinds of students so they shouldnt generalize them by what school the come from. in the first place the reason why were in that certain course is cause we excell in that particular field, and thats why we go to school to learn more about it.

PEACE! =)

[Phoenix]

kaya nga ***** hindi uma senso ang pilipinas eh.. kc sa mga bias na ganyan... sometimes nasa HR narin yon kc feeling nung nasa HR, sila yung bida and sila yung may K na mag hire.. they won't give a chance lalo na kapag nakita nila kung saang school galing..

[Gilbey]

there is a discrimination by schools because it saves time in a way. on the mgt pt of view, the top schools are generally good. there are good students from other schools but to weed out the best, it will take time to screen out and know who is good and not. thus by limiting your options in terms of where to look, you spend less time testing and interviewing.

my boss does not like other school graduates because he finds them lacking in terms of communication skills, meaning they could not converse with him in straight english.

i dont like the top school graduates becuase they are too full of themselves and i would rather take time sorting out all the resumes and take time knowing the candidates.

anyway, as a compromise - for some positions my boss does not mind how we source out the candidates but for some, he is adamant that the person came from a good school. his bias would show in the salary structure. 8(

[7YRbITCH]

Kamatayan has made a rather good point - the schools that are of reference are ELITE schools but not necessarily elitist nga naman... But as for the question at hand, I think these companies have been conditioned already by the tradition as to which their companies have for year been following, which is emplying these kids nga from the best schools. I believe that they have every good reason to do so because these kids have an edge as compared to their counterparts who came from the provinces. And I think, these people whom some of us may have deemed as undeserving have proved themselves naman.
As for the claim that some "bobo" graduates from these good schools landing good jobs, I don't think that's entirely true at all. Maybe there might be some shred of truth in in but I personally know some ppl. who haven't exactly landed the jobs of their dreams because they didn't exactly meet the grade qualifications of some jobs they applying in kahit na they came from good schools.

[barfly]

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[PETRONAS001]

Originally posted by snoc
Well UST is definitely a good school. The institution is well established dati pa however i think na they were not able to keep and develop yung standards nila. Its very easy to change and bring out new ideas pero mapanatili yon is a different thing so i guess yun and naging problem nila. La Salle is the youngest of the 4 institutions and yun and disadvantage coz they cant accept na this new institution will even surpass their standards.

Maybe this mentality against the UST came from one of the most widely read novel in the Philippines - remember El Filibusterismo? Sa UST raw sinasaulo lang ng mga estudyante ang mga aralin. Ang mga guro ay mga tipong Padre Millon na nagtuturo ng kursong di naman niya pinag-aralan. At iyong mga laboratoryo raw ay pangdisplay lang para sa mga Education Dept. inspectors pero di naman ginagamit ng mga estudyante.

[sum1]

alam mo ill try to answer that question. kasi medyo mas maraming napag-aaralan ang mga nanggaling sa 4 schools na to. and they're all comparable. di mo pwedeng sabihin na up's better than everyone, almost marginal nalang ang mga gap sa competencies na naituturo sa 4 na universities na to.

for example, i attended one contest in economics and went to this one university aside from these 4. the judges came from this university and they had dba's (i would have preferred phd's) major in economics.

in the duration of the contest, maraming schools ang nagcocontest sa mga sagot. for example, the answer was cost-benefit analysis. ang sagot ng isang school benefit-cost analysis. tama ba namang sabihin ng judge na mali yun, kasi hindi yun yung ginagamit sa literature. e nag-aral ako ng cost-benefit analysis, and we use the book that is published by the world bank for its projects around the world and it uses benefit-cost analysis. (etong book ang standard book ng analyses of projects).

tapos meron pang isang time, hindi rin alam ng judge ang sagot. e nagkataon namang katabi namin. tama ba namang tingnan ang face reaction namin, tapos tanungin kami kung tama ang sagot. sus naman.

up placed 1st, dlsu 2nd, ateneo 3rd. but up sent 3 teams, the 2 other teams medyo malayo na. and ang difference ng score is mga 1 - 2 questions lang. so pag inaverage mo ang mga alam ng schools is parepareho lang. medyo yung ibang universities sobrang lalayo ng mga scores.

and kung pagbabatayan natin to medyo nahuhuli ang mga ibang schools sa 4 na ito. e kung ikaw yung employer, sa dami nagaapply sa yo, para madali nalang ang trabaho mo, titingin ka na lang sa top4.

[dijkstra]

i don't think so that companies are biased for the graduates of ateneo,up and lasalle.

everybody is given an equal opportunity of employment. however, the graduates of other school already fail even during the qualifying exam. after a rigorous screening process, most of those who get hired are graudates from ateneo, up and lasalle.

because of this result, other schools think that the company is biased but they actually just performed badly in the screening process.

[Devotchka]

A short story...ewan ko kung off topic pero natawa ako dito

My friend made kuwento, during an interview 4 people were up for some job at a consultancy firm, 2 from Ateneo, 1 from UP and 1 never finished from UAP (he made the usual kulit for an interview)

Guess who got the job after screeing? yung hindi nag-tapos na galing UAP!! aaaahhhhhhh

At bakit daw? magaling sa packaging yung guy but most of all he worked so hard akala mo kailangan niyang magpakain ng 10 anak. Napansin daw na, sobrang laidback yung mga students na may diploma parang may fallback sila samantalang yung mga di nakatapos tend to work harder and exert more effort.


But anyway I agree, may discrimination

[littlehorn969]

it does happen MOST of the time in MOST companies......but I tell you not all of them do that......even the leading companies give chances to graduates coming from the other schools.........I could personally say that in my company (Intel Technology) they source out fresh grads from all over the Philippines.....they even avoid hiring grads from manila schools.......they want to even out the playing field and to diversify the company.......so don't think that all companies have the same attitude of hiring fresh grads from elitist schools only. =)

[Hitokiri_Drizzt]

Well, in my company- we are school-blind.

We don't accept or reject applicants just because they come from a certain school.

But somehow, the graduates of Ateneo, DLSU, and UP often come out on top.

Admittedly, graduates from these schools have an edge in communication, social, and technical skills.

Although- some schools produce excellent graduates- the top three are knows to consistently churn out better than average to excellent graduates.

Anyway- the school bias thing only extends to entry-level positions.

After two years in the professional world- applicants must bank on their track record and performance.

[PUESTOW55]

My dad works for the country's largest auditing firm and he heads one of its divisions. At one time, he went home with a stack of papers which he said was from a bunch of applicants. While he was having dinner, he asked me to discard all applicants who did not graduate with honors. Kawawa naman sila, the stack was almost 2 inches thick and about 15 people remained. Most were cum laudes; there was 1 magna and 1 summa. The funny thing was that they all belonged to these supposedly "topnotch" schools. And to think that these people were all fighting for a few slots at SGV's (ooopppssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!) Audit Division.

[KawalngLangit]

psss. elitist? UP? Elitist? come on.

[disturbed_erick]

Originally posted by KawalngLangit
psss. elitist? UP? Elitist? come on.

*** kasi jOLoGs!
bagsak ka UPCAT no? WAWA naman.

[the_BuGs]

Originally posted by KuyaDanny
I graduated from one of the "Big Three" schools. Despite everything the graduates say and do to distinguish themselves from products of the other two (of the Big Three) schools, at the end of the day they are more alike than different.

And...please get ready for this...

We would rather not hire Big Three graduates for entry-level jobs. Why?

They are so full of themselves. They think they're so good; they're full of complaints; they don't want to do dirty work; and they want to be the boss on their first week on the job.

Non-Big Three graduates are happy to get a job. They want the job more. They are willing to learn. They will work very hard and pay any price to improve themselves. We'd rather have them on our side, any day, every day.

[This message has been edited by KuyaDanny (edited 02-08-2000).]

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Na experience na namin to sa mga "BIG THREE" na schools nahihirapan akong utusan.... kahit pakiusapan ko ... puro si sandale.......



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Ako napansin ko lalo na sa US at lalo na sa middle east (UAE,KUWAIT,QATAR,OMAN,KSA) karamihan ng mga engineers halos grad ng FEATI at TIP and take note yung iba nde pa board passer... pero pusang hilaw ang lalaki ng sweldo then yung mga training skills na nde mo makukuha sa PINAS alangya meron sila... then me mga trainings pa sila sa US,JAPAN mostly electrical and Instrumentation design... then halos lahat karamihan sa kanila pagkagraduate abroad agad........ sabi kasi nila "wala daw silang laban sa Pilipinas sa paghanap ng trabaho.... pag nakasabay nila ATENEO,DLSU,UST,UP at MAPUA etsepuera na raw sila dahil FEATTI lang daw sila.... pero pagdating daw nila sa trabaho sa abroad wala pa daw sa kalingkingan ng mga nagtratrabaho sa PINAS yung trabaho nila... lalo na sa pagdating sa Electrical and Instrumentation at PID na DESIGN kaya kahit saang parte ng mundo sila pumunta me tatangap sa kanila... PILIPINAS lang daw nde tatangap sa kanila dahil pipitsuging school lang daw sila grad well ano ba daw ang FEATTI sa ATENEO,UP AT SA DLSU" pero alangya ang lalaki ng ma sweldo nila. Sa UAE na nga yung mga Engineer na trabaho(Electrical,ECE,Mechanical... hinde pa board passer yung iba ) almost pumapatak sila ng 3000$ - 7000$ ang sweldo nila pero napakababa na ng cost of living sa UAE compare sa states... ang palitan ng dollars sa Dirhams(UAE money) $1 = 3.68 Dhms.

Malakas kasi ang discrimination sa Pinas eh........ pansin ko lang.....

[miller31]

it's a sad reality, but most companies, especially the big ones (not necessary the MNC's) hire people from the top 4 schools. for two reasons:

1. track record of the 4 schools.

2. they have to save time in sifting through hundreds or thousands of applications that come their way.

pag ang course mo ay may board exam, may laban ka. kasi hindi lahat ng top 4 may ganong course. like accounting, ateneo doesn't have accounting; same with some engineering courses. it is here where mapua, pup, san beda etc. are given the chance to compete with up, dlsu and ust.

pero pag walang board ang course mo, balik tayo sa bulok na sistema. industrial engineering for example. many schools offer that course, but if you are from anyone of the top 4, you are in a positional advantage. sad, but true. :)

why? bakit ganon ang sistema? maraming sagot:

1. students from the top 4 generally are given access to quality education. in terms of the facilities, the faculties, the tradition and the culture, these 4 stand out. i used to be a contestant in accounting quiz bees, and usually we would win even if we don't study too much along with up and ust. it's not about the student, it's about the school's curriculum, which in this case is accounting. year in and year out, dlsu, up and ust usually end up at the top of the heap.

2. the parents have to shell out more money than those from other schools. a trimester in dlsu costs 35000++, a semester in admu costs 40000++, up is subsidized and ust is an exception to this.

3. the products of these schools have proven their mettle.

4 most of the owners and/or higher officials of these companies came from the top 4 schools. it's a love your own thing.

5. with the proliferation of fly-by-night schools, companies would go for the "sure picks." even if the ones they hired turns out to be duds, it won't be that many as what it might have been had they hired from other never heard of schools.

6. ched has a hand in these. though the rankings are always different, up, dlsu, admu and ust are acknowledged as the top 4 universities in the philippines. their order might change but they are well-entrenched in the top 4 echelon. and it seems that no other institution approaches the stature of these four. at least, not yet. ;)

that's all that i could think of for now.

peace to all

:)

[starlite xpress]

Originally posted by the_BuGs


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Na experience na namin to sa mga "BIG THREE" na schools nahihirapan akong utusan.... kahit pakiusapan ko ... puro si sandale.......
Well, hindi naman siguro dahil sa Big Three schools kaya ganun. Most of the efficient people in an organization come from the Big Three schools. Minsan kasi kapag hindi naman importante ang inuutos o kaya mga feeling manager lang naman ang nag uutos ay talagang di susunod.


Off topic share ko lang.....

Ako napansin ko lalo na sa US at lalo na sa middle east (UAE,KUWAIT,QATAR,OMAN,KSA) karamihan ng mga engineers halos grad ng FEATI at TIP and take note yung iba nde pa board passer... pero pusang hilaw ang lalaki ng sweldo then yung mga training skills na nde mo makukuha sa PINAS alangya meron sila... then me mga trainings pa sila sa US,JAPAN mostly electrical and Instrumentation design... then halos lahat karamihan sa kanila pagkagraduate abroad agad........ sabi kasi nila "wala daw silang laban sa Pilipinas sa paghanap ng trabaho.... pag nakasabay nila ATENEO,DLSU,UST,UP at MAPUA etsepuera na raw sila dahil FEATTI lang daw sila.... pero pagdating daw nila sa trabaho sa abroad wala pa daw sa kalingkingan ng mga nagtratrabaho sa PINAS yung trabaho nila... lalo na sa pagdating sa Electrical and Instrumentation at PID na DESIGN kaya kahit saang parte ng mundo sila pumunta me tatangap sa kanila... PILIPINAS lang daw nde tatangap sa kanila dahil pipitsuging school lang daw sila grad well ano ba daw ang FEATTI sa ATENEO,UP AT SA DLSU" pero alangya ang lalaki ng ma sweldo nila. Sa UAE na nga yung mga Engineer na trabaho(Electrical,ECE,Mechanical... hinde pa board passer yung iba ) almost pumapatak sila ng 3000$ - 7000$ ang sweldo nila pero napakababa na ng cost of living sa UAE compare sa states... ang palitan ng dollars sa Dirhams(UAE money) $1 = 3.68 Dhms.

Malakas kasi ang discrimination sa Pinas eh........ pansin ko lang.....

Mali ka diyan Bugs. Kahit sinong Engineer na galing sa Pinas o India ay siguradong mag e-excel sa Middle East. Bukod sa shway shway (hinay hinay) lang ang trabaho ay sagana pa sa equipment at training.

Kahit marami pa ang mga taga ibang skul doon, ang mga pinakamagagaling na Engineers pa rin na nagiging Project Leaders at Engineering Managers ay ang mga galing sa DLSU, UP at Mapua at mga pinakamatitinik na Chief Architects naman ay mga galing UST, Mapua at UP.

Doon sa Eastern Province ng Saudi Arabia, ang top Engineering Company doon ay may mga top project managers na Mechanical Engineer galing DLSU at Civil Engineer galing Mapua. Ang mga tauhan nila naman ay yung mga galing na sa mga "others" na iskul. Kahit pumunta ka sa mga ibang kumpanya, kung may taga DLSU, UP or Mapua ay siguradong sila ang nasa ibabaw ng mga "others" unless fresh from Pinas sila.

[the_BuGs]

Originally posted by starlite xpress

Mali ka diyan Bugs. Kahit sinong Engineer na galing sa Pinas o India ay siguradong mag e-excel sa Middle East. Bukod sa shway shway (hinay hinay) lang ang trabaho ay sagana pa sa equipment at training.

Kahit marami pa ang mga taga ibang skul doon, ang mga pinakamagagaling na Engineers pa rin na nagiging Project Leaders at Engineering Managers ay ang mga galing sa DLSU, UP at Mapua at mga pinakamatitinik na Chief Architects naman ay mga galing UST, Mapua at UP.

Doon sa Eastern Province ng Saudi Arabia, ang top Engineering Company doon ay may mga top project managers na Mechanical Engineer galing DLSU at Civil Engineer galing Mapua. Ang mga tauhan nila naman ay yung mga galing na sa mga "others" na iskul. Kahit pumunta ka sa mga ibang kumpanya, kung may taga DLSU, UP or Mapua ay siguradong sila ang nasa ibabaw ng mga "others" unless fresh from Pinas sila.

Well tama ka rin......... pero la pa kasi akong nakikitang mga grad ng DLSU masyado eh............. karamihan sa mga schools FEATTI at Grad from Provinces eh........... pagnakakatangap ako ng mga CV's From Phils. puro mga FEATTI at Mapua........... sorry ah based lang sa experience ko at nakita ko wag mong mamasamain......... at yung mga chief architects minsan me grad ng mapua at minsan me grad ng featti :) at kung susuyurin mo yung mga agencies lalo na sa malate....bihira ka lang makakita sa BIG THREE...... mapua marame ren..... UP ilan ilan lang........ kramihan naman sa UP nag ta-take ng PHD or masteral sa abroad......... :)