how well do you know your president/CEO?

[mac_bolan00]

in our bank, everyone dreads having to spend more than 5 minutes alone with the guy. he's a great one for reminding people of their marginal rights to live, much less work in the same company he's in.

with that short introduction for our bank president, i packed my things to spend two days with him. he ordered me to accompany him to bagiuo where we would stay in the same room, look at some foreclosed assets, and attend a chamber convention. people got a kick out of the idea. lots of coy smiles and snickers at me.

so we boarded his tahoe at 9:30 AM the following morning. we haven't even hit the NLEX when he started grilling me about my job, my targets and the bank in general. no questions answerable by "yes sir", or "no sir". it's either "what do you think?" or "what should we do?"

exit the NLEX at meycauyan to pay one of our branches a visit (uh..sir, i think we have vice presidents to do this kind of thing.) i hate lightning visits so i pitied the branch people, some of whom were caught flatfooted.

back to the NLEX. he complained why we had to pay 42 pesos again when we already paid the same amount at balintawak. that from a guy who gets nearly 1 million a month basic.

there was no escaping the subject of work. he kept grilling me. no trivia talk, no pleasantries. it was like that all the way up marcos highway. we arrived at around 2PM. the preliminary meeting and cocktails was at 6 so we just dumped our things at bagiuo country club and sped off. we went to two housing sites, one wherein we had a house, another that had a property being offered for security. "you've worked in real estate before, how do size up our property?" or, "how old do you think is this subdiv? sales seem slow." we went back to the club with minutes to spare before the meeting.

all through the meeting, dinner, and even the few minutes before turning in, it was all talking and strategizing about work. same thing beginning at 5AM when we woke up, to the time he dropped me off along EDSA that evening.

it was then that i began to understand how it was to be CEO in a problematic company. and i rather pitied the guy for it. from the time he woke up in the morning to the time he went to sleep, he thought of nothing but work. he had no sport, no hobbies, hardly any affiliations besides the chamber. problems and solutions just kept swirling in his head. and i saw the loneliness, even desperation in the guy.

who would want a life like this?

[SILENTMAX]

me.


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[mac_bolan00]

someone told me that, to be a good manager, you don't have to avoid being lazy at work. rather, you should never be too lazy to think. well with this guy, his motto is "keep thinking."

oh well, i'm sure you can find ways to have fun (no matter how fleeting) with 1M a month. :D

[omeng]

Me. :D

[Blue Zoo]

Hell, my life is like that and I don't make 1M a month.

Honestly though, he sounds like a competent CEO. If I've noticed one thing about managing people in the Philippines, you have to be somewhat of a jerk to get people to do things for you promptly. When you're nice, people tend to put off your requests instead of doing them right off the bat.

[KuyaDanny]

Hey, I'm a jerk all the time and they still don't do what I ask. :(

[shychic]

I want the 1M monthly but I don't want the job! Pwede ba yun? :p

Our president is exactly the same, though she makes only a fifth of what you're boss is earning (yes, she's open about salary scales). Responsibilities-wise, I think they have comparable functions and situations. A lot of people are depending on them, if she/he is successful in running the company, then, everyone is happy. Siguro kahit tulog sila, their mind is still working, trying to find ways on how the company would earn profits and cost-cut on expenses.

Its not an easy job. Many are called, but only few are successful.

[SUX2BÜ]

Sounds like an inept and clueless CEO.

:)

[mac_bolan00]

really? sounds like lord byron when he's lucid. :lol:

[magtataho]

Sounds like an inept and clueless CEO.

:)

would you care to elaborate?

i'm not yet an executive (though i hope to be someday), so I'm curious as to what made you draw that conclusion...

[mac_bolan00]

nanga-ano lang yan si sux. :D

[Brad Pitpit]

For 1 million a month I will vacuum the building before I go visit my girl friends every night and do nothing but sow wild oats during weekends.

[SaintLuci]

Looking at the posts here shows that quite a number of our co-PEX readers/posters are still in the rank and file mindset. I always talk to my subordinates about the rainmakers of the american indians in the old world. short version of the story, if these rainmakers do not do their work, no one will plant, no grains to grow and no food is served. Everyone goes hungry.

CEOs or officers of any company must be rainmakers in their little groups, departments, divisions, companies. The life of the company, and the paycheck of all its employees that pays for living subsidies, tuitions, vacations, hospitalization etc.. relies on these people. This is the reason why guys at these levels are paid hefty salaries when no office time is required of them, job descriptions are formalities, and all the little burden at work we complaint about are mere tickle to them.

I can relate to the CEO mentioned in this article being a top officer myself of a very very small company. I can tell you, though profits are top priorities and this is the reason why officers are jerks, GOOD officers think otherwise. They think about day-today existence of their families, their employees, their employees' families etc. When these are the reasons involved, I bet you that they are more than jerks.

[Brad Pitpit]

Did you really? If I were working for you and you tried to motivate me by telling me about Indian rainmakers I will probably say you must be nuts. The Indians are probably the most unimaginative and clueless people that ever inhabited the Americas, living in teepees and praying for rain so they can plant crops. They are still one of the poorest group in the US, living mostly in reservations and so prone to alcoholism. Recently they borrowed a page from the white men and started operating gambling casinos.

[ferrisb]

i once took a leak in a urinal next to the CEO. na-utot siya. i thought to myself, 'will you look at that, he's just like me.' :)

[tennisace]

Did you really? If I were working for you and you tried to motivate me by telling me about Indian rainmakers I will probably say you must be nuts. The Indians are probably the most unimaginative and clueless people that ever inhabited the Americas, living in teepees and praying for rain so they can plant crops. They are still one of the poorest group in the US, living mostly in reservations and so prone to alcoholism. Recently they borrowed a page from the white men and started operating gambling casinos.
An old Indian adage:
Don't judge a man until you've walked in his moccasins.

Having had first-hand experience about the Powhatan Renape Indians in the Rankokus Indian Reservation, I have to disagree with your conclusion that these people are "the most unimaginative and clueless people that ever inhabited the Americas..." Matter of fact, I could probably say the same thing about the people who hold rank in what you call the Philippine government, as well as those who voted them in. But that's another story...

[tennisace]

in our bank, everyone dreads having to spend more than 5 minutes alone with the guy. he's a great one for reminding people of their marginal rights to live, much less work in the same company he's in.

with that short introduction for our bank president, i packed my things to spend two days with him. he ordered me to accompany him to bagiuo where we would stay in the same room, look at some foreclosed assets, and attend a chamber convention. people got a kick out of the idea. lots of coy smiles and snickers at me.

so we boarded his tahoe at 9:30 AM the following morning. we haven't even hit the NLEX when he started grilling me about my job, my targets and the bank in general. no questions answerable by "yes sir", or "no sir". it's either "what do you think?" or "what should we do?"

exit the NLEX at meycauyan to pay one of our branches a visit (uh..sir, i think we have vice presidents to do this kind of thing.) i hate lightning visits so i pitied the branch people, some of whom were caught flatfooted.

back to the NLEX. he complained why we had to pay 42 pesos again when we already paid the same amount at balintawak. that from a guy who gets nearly 1 million a month basic.

there was no escaping the subject of work. he kept grilling me. no trivia talk, no pleasantries. it was like that all the way up marcos highway. we arrived at around 2PM. the preliminary meeting and cocktails was at 6 so we just dumped our things at bagiuo country club and sped off. we went to two housing sites, one wherein we had a house, another that had a property being offered for security. "you've worked in real estate before, how do size up our property?" or, "how old do you think is this subdiv? sales seem slow." we went back to the club with minutes to spare before the meeting.

all through the meeting, dinner, and even the few minutes before turning in, it was all talking and strategizing about work. same thing beginning at 5AM when we woke up, to the time he dropped me off along EDSA that evening.

it was then that i began to understand how it was to be CEO in a problematic company. and i rather pitied the guy for it. from the time he woke up in the morning to the time he went to sleep, he thought of nothing but work. he had no sport, no hobbies, hardly any affiliations besides the chamber. problems and solutions just kept swirling in his head. and i saw the loneliness, even desperation in the guy.

who would want a life like this?
Sounds like your CEO needs some lessons on the finer points of being a CEO. Having said that, questions like "what do you think?" or "what should we do?" was you cue to show your CEO the stuff you're really made of (did you?). During my employee days, it was my practice to grab a smoke break and join one of the head honchos for a puff or two. Brown-nosing or sucking up, call it whatever you want, it was how I got to pick the man's brains and make myself noticeable. As far as your colleagues are concerned, if they were doing their job right while on the company clock, surprise visits from upper management should not be a cause for alarm nor should it be a cause for being caught flat-footed. Problem is, we only tend to behave when the boss is around, don't we?

2 days with the boss? Man, you should have been his VP by now if you played your cards right.

[Brad Pitpit]

An old Indian adage:
Don't judge a man until you've walked in his moccasins.

Having had first-hand experience about the Powhatan Renape Indians in the Rankokus Indian Reservation, I have to disagree with your conclusion that these people are "the most unimaginative and clueless people that ever inhabited the Americas..." Matter of fact, I could probably say the same thing about the people who hold rank in what you call the Philippine government, as well as those who voted them in. But that's another story...
A quote from the sage Dr. Scholl:
Dont try on a moccasin used by an Indian, you might develop fungal infection.

I have seen first hand Indian reservations from British Columbia to Peru. I have driven from Denver to California passsing thru New Mexico and have seen Indian Reservations. I have toured Mayan ruins and have seen Indian
villages in poor rural Mexicio. I personally know a full-blooded Apache here in California who live in Pala and have seen Indian reservations in Pechanga. The only Indian places I have not seen are the ones in the Amazon jungles of
Brazil but I just saw the movie "End of the Spear" and saw their villages.
The common thing about them is abject poverty and lack of education or commercial ventures. They are probably the laziest group in America. Tell me what have they contributed to the American society or work ethic that will inspire modern day corporate culture. If you are inspired by their hunting skills or totem pole carving prowess I have some land in south west Florida that I will sell you cheap. I can write for you a 200-page report about the Lewis & Clark expedition from memory. I have never voted in the Philippines and could care less about those mosquito-infested swampy islands.

[magtataho]

2 days with the boss? Man, you should have been his VP by now if you played your cards right.

we all heard that cliche, "it's not what you know, it's who you know." but a VP's job is more than just kissing the boss's ***, playing golf, or hiring a hot secretary. there's such a thing as management and leadership skills. Besides, if you become a manager purely by connections, chances are you'll be totally clueless and scared sh!tless in your job. And let's face it, the world doesn't need another clueless manager/executive running things, and wreaking havoc in the process.

second, you'd be mistaken if you think a CEO can just pluck out anyone from anywhere and make him manager/VP/president. The CEO does not have that authority. But even if does, a wise CEO wouldn't do that. Let's just say, it's complicated.

[tennisace]

A quote from the sage Dr. Scholl:
Dont try on a moccasin used by an Indian, you might develop fungal infection.

I have seen first hand Indian reservations from British Columbia to Peru. I have driven from Denver to California passsing thru New Mexico and have seen Indian Reservations. I have toured Mayan ruins and have seen Indian
villages in poor rural Mexicio. I personally know a full-blooded Apache here in California who live in Pala and have seen Indian reservations in Pechanga. The only Indian places I have not seen are the ones in the Amazon jungles of
Brazil but I just saw the movie "End of the Spear" and saw their villages.
The common thing about them is abject poverty and lack of education or commercial ventures. They are probably the laziest group in America. Tell me what have they contributed to the American society or work ethic that will inspire modern day corporate culture. If you are inspired by their hunting skills or totem pole carving prowess I have some land in south west Florida that I will sell you cheap. I can write for you a 200-page report about the Lewis & Clark expedition from memory. I have never voted in the Philippines and could care less about those mosquito-infested swampy islands.
Seeing Indian reservations, watching movies about Indians and touring Mayan ruins hardy justifies your statement on the matter. I’m surprised, though, that you have failed to appreciate the intricacies involved in the construction of the ancient Mayan structures, a lot of which are practically engineering marvels as reported by various archeologists and engineers. It must also be noted that ancient structures built by these people are celestially precise, a fact that our own present-day scientists have discovered only with the help of advanced technology.

In any event, you have to dig deep and go beyond the Indian reservation drive-thrus, movies and tours to know and understand why these people are in the situation they’re currently in. I can tell you one thing though, that shallow, narrow-minded people with prejudicial and racist attitudes, not to mention superiority complex, is one reason why these people are where they are. It’s jut too bad that in this day and age, there are those of us who still believe and perpetuate the notion of second-class people.

Venture into the dark corners of Los Angeles and don’t tell me that abject poverty, lack of education or commercial ventures are not present. Dig thru the roster of your state’s welfare system and don’t tell me that a lot of the recipients of this social gratuity (of which you and I pay for) prefer to stay in government-subsidized projects and make babies with 5 different people rather than seek gainful employment, job training or education. And please don’t tell me that you don’t see alcoholic homeless people sleeping on the sidewalks over a subway exhaust grate in the dead of winter.

Fact is, the social and economic problems besetting your maligned Indians are the same problems that affect even the biggest of cities in America. I cannot write a 200-page report about the Lewis and Clark expedition, but I do recall that without the Indians, the expedition would not have been a success and Lewis and Clark’s scalps would have been hung on some Indian chief’s teepee. I am dismayed that while you studied the exploits of these explorers, you failed to delve into these explorers’ personal relationships with and feelings for their Indian crew. And by the way, it was also the Indians who taught the Mayflower refugees how to survive in their new-found land, hence the Thanksgiving Day celebration.

I hope that the land you own in SW Florida was not usurped from the Indians, as most of America was. It is to be noted that the revered Columbus annihilated an entire Indian tribe when he claimed America. It is also to be noted that the white man was responsible for bringing diseases and plagues into the New World and introducing slavery and slave trade, and prejudice and racial injustice that continues to this day.

Be that as it may, as intelligent as you are, what is your contribution to society? Are you a part of the solution to the social and economic ills you speak of, or are you a part of the problem? Or perhaps you are merely a spectator mindful only of yourself.

I do respect your opinion. And ultimately, that’s what it is – an opinion – tempered perhaps by your own culture, upbringing, environment, education and self-worth regardless of how skewed it may be.

And by the way, the Philippines is not as swampy and mosquito-infested as Florida. No wonder you’re selling your cheap Florida land.

[tennisace]

we all heard that cliche, "it's not what you know, it's who you know." but a VP's job is more than just kissing the boss's ***, playing golf, or hiring a hot secretary. there's such a thing as management and leadership skills. Besides, if you become a manager purely by connections, chances are you'll be totally clueless and scared sh!tless in your job. And let's face it, the world doesn't need another clueless manager/executive running things, and wreaking havoc in the process.

second, you'd be mistaken if you think a CEO can just pluck out anyone from anywhere and make him manager/VP/president. The CEO does not have that authority. But even if does, a wise CEO wouldn't do that. Let's just say, it's complicated.
It think you missed my point, but it’s funny you mentioned clueless people running things. Aren’t these the same people we elected into office?

Unless your appointee has to go thru confirmation hearings in congress, there’s nothing complicated about picking a person for a particular job. I remember that the CEO of the company I used to work for hired this guy to be the CFO of the company. This is a guy he met aboard a flight to New York. I also remember him “plucking” me from obscurity and putting me in charge of logistics and distribution then later put me in charge of a new division of the company’s subsidiary. In those smoke break sessions we shared, he gave me an invaluable education on management and leadership skills whether or not he realized it, and I gave him an opportunity to realize what I was capable of beyond inventory management.

Today I run my own businesses. I can sense if a person has substance and that potential to go beyond what that person thinks he’s capable of. There’s nothing complicated about that.

[magtataho]

tennisace, i'm getting the impression that this company you worked for is a family-owned business. and that the CEO also happened to be the owner (part/majority/full ownership, whatever) of the business. Heck, he's the owner! He can do whatever he wants, as long as it's not illegal.

but the orig poster said he worked in a bank, so i'll assume it's a large organization. more often that not, there's a lot of red tape in moving people around. and in organizations like those, the CEO is not the king; just like us, he is at the mercy of his "boss", the board of directors. if he pulls a stunt like that (the "plucking" thingie), he'll have to answer for it.

anyways, back to the main topic. how well do i know the CEO? meaning as a person? probably not much. it's his job to look good and inspire the people in the company. we're in an office, not a retreat house. but to be fair, he is very friendly and accomodating to the staff, though i've heard that he can be a tough, no-nonsense, no-bullsh!t guy when talking to the upper managers and executives.

[newkid]

A quote from the sage Dr. Scholl:
I have never voted in the Philippines and could care less about those mosquito-infested swampy islands.

HEY THIS IS FOUL!

[tennisace]

tennisace, i'm getting the impression that this company you worked for is a family-owned business. and that the CEO also happened to be the owner (part/majority/full ownership, whatever) of the business. Heck, he's the owner! He can do whatever he wants, as long as it's not illegal.

Not quite. The company at the time of my employment was a $430M corporation. The CEO also happened to be the chairman of the board, which is typical more often than not.

[Brad Pitpit]

Seeing Indian reservations, watching movies about Indians and touring Mayan ruins hardy justifies your statement on the matter. I’m surprised, though, that you have failed to appreciate the intricacies involved in the construction of the ancient Mayan structures, a lot of which are practically engineering marvels as reported by various archeologists and engineers. It must also be noted that ancient structures built by these people are celestially precise, a fact that our own present-day scientists have discovered only with the help of advanced technology.

In any event, you have to dig deep and go beyond the Indian reservation drive-thrus, movies and tours to know and understand why these people are in the situation they’re currently in. I can tell you one thing though, that shallow, narrow-minded people with prejudicial and racist attitudes, not to mention superiority complex, is one reason why these people are where they are. It’s jut too bad that in this day and age, there are those of us who still believe and perpetuate the notion of second-class people.

Venture into the dark corners of Los Angeles and don’t tell me that abject poverty, lack of education or commercial ventures are not present. Dig thru the roster of your state’s welfare system and don’t tell me that a lot of the recipients of this social gratuity (of which you and I pay for) prefer to stay in government-subsidized projects and make babies with 5 different people rather than seek gainful employment, job training or education. And please don’t tell me that you don’t see alcoholic homeless people sleeping on the sidewalks over a subway exhaust grate in the dead of winter.

Fact is, the social and economic problems besetting your maligned Indians are the same problems that affect even the biggest of cities in America. I cannot write a 200-page report about the Lewis and Clark expedition, but I do recall that without the Indians, the expedition would not have been a success and Lewis and Clark’s scalps would have been hung on some Indian chief’s teepee. I am dismayed that while you studied the exploits of these explorers, you failed to delve into these explorers’ personal relationships with and feelings for their Indian crew. And by the way, it was also the Indians who taught the Mayflower refugees how to survive in their new-found land, hence the Thanksgiving Day celebration.

I hope that the land you own in SW Florida was not usurped from the Indians, as most of America was. It is to be noted that the revered Columbus annihilated an entire Indian tribe when he claimed America. It is also to be noted that the white man was responsible for bringing diseases and plagues into the New World and introducing slavery and slave trade, and prejudice and racial injustice that continues to this day.

Be that as it may, as intelligent as you are, what is your contribution to society? Are you a part of the solution to the social and economic ills you speak of, or are you a part of the problem? Or perhaps you are merely a spectator mindful only of yourself.

I do respect your opinion. And ultimately, that’s what it is – an opinion – tempered perhaps by your own culture, upbringing, environment, education and self-worth regardless of how skewed it may be.

And by the way, the Philippines is not as swampy and mosquito-infested as Florida. No wonder you’re selling your cheap Florida land.
For a simple question as to whether An Indian rainman can be an inspiration for today's working stiffs, you spouted so much baloney I can feed a reservation for one month with it. Your essay on social injustice reminds me of bleeding heart Democrats when they are making campaign speeches. What a pathetic lot. The land I was trying to sell you is the Everglades. You are as clueless as a punchdrunk Seminole.

[SILENTMAX]

and the gloves come off....

[KuyaDanny]

Return to the topic at hand, please. We can talk about "Native Americans as role models" in another thread.

[tennisace]

For a simple question as to whether An Indian rainman can be an inspiration for today's working stiffs, you spouted so much baloney I can feed a reservation for one month with it. Your essay on social injustice reminds me of bleeding heart Democrats when they are making campaign speeches. What a pathetic lot. The land I was trying to sell you is the Everglades. You are as clueless as a punchdrunk Seminole.
That’s it? This is all you’ve got? :rotflmao: What piece of land do you think was I talking about, you mor…… Nevermind. I’d rather not go down to the basement on this one. Just keep your head below me and make sure you adjust your kneepads. I shall be arriving in a minute.:naughty: Were you an Indian in your past life, by the way?

Anyhoo, in keeping with the topic of this thread, it can now be told that Mr. Petpet is hardly CEO material. I’d be willing to bet that this individual is well-schooled in the ancient art of posterior kissing.

[SUX2BÜ]

Clueless Executive Officer. That's it.

Source: the threadstarter

:)

[newkid]

CEO - Chief Elevator Operator :-)

[Brad Pitpit]

Clueless Executive Officer. That's it.

Source: the threadstarter

:)
I am sorry pal. I remember you as the guy from Costa Rica. Thanks for the pictures you posted, thoroughly enjoyed them because I love the mountains, especially the mountains of Colombia, not the mountain per se, but what they grow in the mountain. After this I will keep my mouth (fingers?) shut.
Contrary to what Pocahontas says, my Dad calls me his CEO (Consumate Evil Offspring), there, I am still on topic.

Peace. man

[magtataho]

Clueless Executive Officer. That's it.

Source: the threadstarter

:)

why so upset? did you have a bad experience with your CEO, or upper management in general?

[arkangel]

Interesting thread. Good stuff.*okay*

[ichi]

Being asked "what do you think" and other "how" questions is basically a good thing. It may sound stupid to you but for some, it is an opportunity given to an employee for him/her to give out his or her opinion and just to remind you, not everyone is given this opportunity.

If you think your CEO is stupid for asking "how" questions, then I guess you have a long way to go before you can take over as CEO.

As for wanting the life of a CEO, I would definitely say yes. For sure it pays a lot more and this also means longer working hours but the only reason for me wanting to be a CEO is because of the challenge and ability to implement changes. Especially if I, as the CEO, would have to steer a company to profit.

[jazzy]

that's why id rather be an investor ang pay someone else to do job. :)

Also, if you're saying that the CEO is earning about 1M a month and say a regular employee earns about P20k a month. That means, the CEO's work for a year is about 50 years work for a regular employee.

Id rather work hard in 1 year and rest for the next 49 years. :naughty:



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[greensloth]

My boss, the CEO and COO (Child Of the real Owner) hates traditional and textbookish management (advertising, market research, annual budgetting, strict plannng & strategy). At one good side, he's a new thinker. On the other hand, it seems like he has merely read a lot of books from radical authors and now, he considers himself as somewat like a marketing guru. Oh, he has an MBA from a respectable institution.

[alky-holic]

"With great power comes responsibility" :glee:

Hmm.. I'd like a life like that. 1M a month? why not? I'd invest most of it in condos then take an early retirement :D

[circa]

how about delegate some of the tasks?

our chairman has 30 companies & 30 presidents doing all the hardwork..
then he just travels with his girls. he's 60 and plays with 20-28 y/olds..

[SaintLuci]

tennisace and brad pitt,

I guess you both went off topic by my indian rainmaker thing. Please don't argue about it. It was an analogy. I mentioned it not to praise or degrade the indians. I mentioned particularly the indian rainmakers to show how important the rainmakers are (even if they are true or not) as they are the present-day CEOs. They have critical responsibilities and too many problems to deal with. But they have to do it. If these people will not move, goals are not met, companies will die, and we will be back to the stone age of economics.

These is the very reason why the CEO mentioned by the first poster was such. If no one will ever take on the job, who wil? If no one will, God help us all.

[Shemale_Lover]

teka *** bank is this ceo from?