Professors' wrong motives

[leporidae]

What ever happened to the selfless reputation of teachers that had been appreciated by everyone? Nowadays, professors don't feel like they have an obligation to give good service to their customers - the students. Many have a superiority complex which hinders the quality of their teaching. I absolutely abhor the professors who are proud of being "terror profs". What is to be proud about for failing more than half the class or removing an intelligent student from the dean's list? They should be ashamed that they have failed in their profession as the majority of students do not fully understand the teachings.

Aside from being authoritative on their respective fields, a requirement for universities in accepting applicants should be the enthusiasm in teaching.

[thermodynamics]

Tao rin ang mga professors-may kani-kaniyang ikinasisiya, pambabagsak man o pagtuturo ng maayos.
But as I have suggested in my column in our college publication, entering profs/instructors/lecturers should be given special teaching sessions first; psychological exams; and education units before teaching. And it should be required that he/she must be at least on his/her 2nd year of taking his/her MS. Wag fresh grads, marami pang sama loob ang mga ito.
Better are those who have worked as professionals already in the industries (sa mga eng'g ito) and have graduate degrees already para mas matino na ang pag-iisip.

anyway, in UP's case, there a few people who are afraid of teaching students ( na mas matalino raw sa kanila) and then bibigyan ng mababang sweldo. In fact, a Full Prof in UP with PhD has a monthly income of only 30,000. ewan ko kung tumaas na. So pahirapan kumuha ng mga prof sna may magandang loob talaga. So in the case of our dept, basta cum laude graduate or better, masama man ang intensyon o hindi, basta gusto magturo at mukhang may ibubuga, tintanggap na din although mahigpit din sila sa screening somehow, as in hindi lang basta gusto mo ok na...

But I hope this bad habit will end soon. Talino at kagandhan ng kalooban ang dapat pairalin sa pagtuturo.
Hindi talino lang.

[mac_bolan00]

What ever happened to the selfless reputation of teachers that had been appreciated by everyone? Nowadays, professors don't feel like they have an obligation to give good service to their customers - the students. Many have a superiority complex which hinders the quality of their teaching. I absolutely abhor the professors who are proud of being "terror profs". What is to be proud about for failing more than half the class or removing an intelligent student from the dean's list? They should be ashamed that they have failed in their profession as the majority of students do not fully understand the teachings.

Aside from being authoritative on their respective fields, a requirement for universities in accepting applicants should be the enthusiasm in teaching.
half? they're lucky. in my school, sometimes only 3 out of 30 will pass. and those are the nice teachers. what's your course, mr. rabbit? ;)

[SUX2BÜ]

For a second there, I thought he was Mr. Hare.

Ooops, sorry for being off-topic.

:laugh:

[thermodynamics]

sa amin din... in my ES21 class, 33 kame sa class and 5 kame pumasa. I got 1.5 sa subject. The highest got 1.25 the lowest among who passed is 3.0, sobrang sabit pa... 60.7% ata yon. The rest puro take 2 na yung pumasa.
Nakakatuwa no? pero departmental yung exams so yung technique ng pagtuturo yung problema.

In my chemistry class, umabot ng 40% passing rate ng class namin kase nag-curve yung passing rate --- from 55% --> 50%. Mahirap din talaga yung exams.

Sa Majors ko, the worst I experienced is sa 2 section under 1 teacher, 3 lang pumasa tentatively, pero napilitan sya na magbigay ng make up exam na 320 points, pero 100 lang ang perfect. Ayun, umabot ng 10 ang pumasa out of 37 students sa kanya. And to think of, sa 320 points, ang highest e 150+ lang. More than perfect to pero yung actual %age nya e below 50%. Ganun kahirap yung exam although mabait na yung teacher na yun for giving a make-up.

With these, tingin ko, problema talaga yung mga teachers na may emotional imbalance. Sa UP lang naman nangyayari to kase in private schools I know, kapag less than 50% pumasa sa 1 teacher, pwede kasuhan ang prof...

sa kanila kase, estudyante nagpapasweldo ng prof thru their tuition. In State U's, tax payers. So there teachers who can give the most difficult exams they can give (based on their MS/PhD degrees) tapos walng pakunfangang magpaulan ng 5.0 after. Walang habol ang students dito kase, objective naman ang grading syste, (mostly 70% 3 long exams, 30% Finals), tapos related naman sa lessons yung exam....

[leporidae]

haha. Impressed to see people with a good background in taxonomy.
I study commerce and law btw.
Also note that I said "more than half" :)

[KuyaDanny]

We must have more like Pablo Botor. Pag naka "3 point shot" sa plunging neckline, uno na kaagad ang final grade. :)

[thermodynamics]

There are some other pasaways din sa UP, yung mga Institusyong guro doon na gurang na talaga... parang dart board ang ginagamit sa pagge-grade.
Kung saan tumama ang dulo ng bolpen sa classcard, yun na. Kaya kapag ang exam namin ay essay type (e.g. piliin ang naiiba sa pangkat at ipaliwanag kung bakit in 5 sentences: Jose Rizal, Andres Bonifacio, Emilio Aguinaldo), ginagandahan ko na lang ang sulat ko. Kase parang clueless ka sa mga exams nya (not to mention my history prof... as in 15 items na ganun, na parang wala namang naiba sa pangkat tapos essay pa)...

Anyway, he's a good teacher talaga, patawa lang ang exam. But I think more than the grades, yung learning ang mas importante. I learned a lot from him, ewan ko lang sa ibang classmates ko na pinagtatawanan siya. With this, hindi ko tuloy alam kung nakakadagdag siya o nakakababa sa standards ng UP...
But I guess lahat ng schools naman may ganitong teachers.

[KuyaDanny]

We had one professor at ADMU whose basis for grading was 80% attendance, 20% final exam. In other words, as long as you were there for classes during the semester, you could skip the final exam and still pass the course. His reasoning was simple - he wanted students to listen to his lectures and learn from them.

He has already retired, and I am not even sure if he is still living. But most of his students remember him. I guess he must have made quite an impression.

Do you think there is merit in such a method?

[Dacs]

Sa Majors ko, the worst I experienced is sa 2 section under 1 teacher, 3 lang pumasa tentatively, pero napilitan sya na magbigay ng make up exam na 320 points, pero 100 lang ang perfect. Ayun, umabot ng 10 ang pumasa out of 37 students sa kanya. And to think of, sa 320 points, ang highest e 150+ lang. More than perfect to pero yung actual %age nya e below 50%. Ganun kahirap yung exam although mabait na yung teacher na yun for giving a make-up.

Is this ChE 132 by any chance? :D

[thermodynamics]

Oh yes, and sheree ann pagsuyoin is the teacher...
we were the batch who filed a complaint against her before the Dean's Office
Guess who are the teachers I have mentioned above?
ahihihi....

[KuyaDanny]

Ganda pa naman ng apelyido niya. :(

[thermodynamics]

But in all fairness to this *****, bumait sya until makagraduate kame.
Nagpaulan nga sya ng 1.0 1 sem sa isang lab class ---- something that proves her emotional imbalance.
Then after namin grumaduate, yung last year nya, nagpaulan na naman ng 5.0, as in 5 lang ang pumasa sa 2 classes niya...
well, truly, people who are suffering from schizophrenia and emotional imbalance should not be allowed to be part of the most elite academe in the country.

As of now, she's in the States, pursuing a PhD degree. Pagbalik non, patay na, mas marami ng alam...

[stepehenyan@12]

but some teachers have the knowledge but they don't know how to delegate to their students the ability of teaching isn't their at. maybe that's why colleges are forced to to accept this kind of teachers to teach even though they don't have the ability to reach out to students.

[mac_bolan00]

what about pascual at UP-Law? is he still alive? they say he taught even the great ferdinand marcos (yikes). and he taught my younger brother. unbelievable.

"ah mr. mac_bolan00's brother. let's see: you got a grade of '4' (cond. failure) in all your exams, you exceeded the minimum number of allowed absences, and you got a '5' (failed) in the finals. therefore, i'll give you a grade of '3' (passed). ok? ok? is that ok?"

[Dacs]

Oh yes, and sheree ann pagsuyoin is the teacher...
we were the batch who filed a complaint against her before the Dean's Office
Guess who are the teachers I have mentioned above?
ahihihi....

Prof Muñoz? :D

[Dacs]

thermodynamics: Laki ng galit mo kay Pagsuyoin ah. Naging teacher ko sa ES1 yan... I won't comment hehehe

[brain dead]

I had a classmate sa Physics 72 who didnt come to class the whole sem and showed up for the finals. He made a deal with the prof that if he got 100 sa finals bibigyan daw siya ng 3.0. The 3 hour exam he finished in about over an hour and yeah he aced it. Oh and yes the next highest grade in that exam was a 65, ...yours truly :love:

[p1215]

OK if it's an appreciation course. Bad if it's a skills development course (e.g. a teacher who adopts this method for an algebra and trigonometry class is irresponsible if most of his students are supposed to take a calculus class in the succeeding semester.)

We had one professor at ADMU whose basis for grading was 80% attendance, 20% final exam. In other words, as long as you were there for classes during the semester, you could skip the final exam and still pass the course. His reasoning was simple - he wanted students to listen to his lectures and learn from them.

He has already retired, and I am not even sure if he is still living. But most of his students remember him. I guess he must have made quite an impression.

Do you think there is merit in such a method?

[thermodynamics]

^^^
Dacs,
Salvacion and Rollon.

Kuya Danny, 80-20 ba kamo ang grading system? Magaling ba naman siyang maglecture at marami ka bang natutunan? What's the subject by the way?
Practical discipline class ata yun, but for me it's good that students will be required to attend his class to get high grades.

Baka tamad yung teacher magcompute ng grades at gumawa ng exams...

But as long as you learned a lot from him... balewala na naman yung grades or yung grading system. Kung wala kang natutunan, it's not fair, although that prof has the right naman talaga to set his own grading system lalo na if the the subject's required exams are not departmental (per teacher's prerequisite lang).

[bucks 'n bogut]

nadaanan ko lahat yan. kaya "on-line" education na lang ang option ko ngayon. wala ka nang kaharap na teacher, pwede mo pang sampalin ang computer anytime na nahihirapan ka o kaya sumigaw ka ng kahit ano.

makes life easier. "why drive if you can shoot from the outside" sabi pa nga ni michael jordan

[KuyaDanny]

Kuya Danny, 80-20 ba kamo ang grading system? Magaling ba naman siyang maglecture at marami ka bang natutunan? What's the subject by the way?
Practical discipline class ata yun, but for me it's good that students will be required to attend his class to get high grades.


He taught two subjects with the same basis for grading: Obligations and Contracts, and Negotiable Instruments (both commercial law courses). They were electives and, yes, I thought they were "practical discipline" courses.

I have gone through better lecturers, and truthfully, his lectures weren't much better than the textbook. But at least with his grading system, students who listened and took down notes did not need to buy a textbook to do well in the final exam.

There were two kinds of students in the class. Those who bothered to listen probably learned something. Those who sat in their seats chewing gum, cracking jokes, sleeping, or studying for another subject probably wasted their parents' tuition money. But everyone who attended most of the classes passed the course.

There are other professors who give a long list of assigned readings and don't really care what you do during the semester. The final grade is based entirely on the final exam. I wonder how many people here would rather have those kinds of profs.

[thermodynamics]

as I've said, it's all about the learnings. For the grading system, every prof should be transparent --- on how he/she checked the exams (should be fair and objective for all the students) and if he/she posts the results on time and the class standing on their respective bulletin boards, including all exam results and grade calculation, the grading system and the final scores. Of course student no., hindi buong pangalan para hindi nakakahiya sa mga bumagsak.

I tried to appreciate the learnings, plus the prof's style of teaching, kahit medyo nakaka-antok. grade conscious kase ako before, and somehow, this attitude helped me din to further appreciate and internalize each possible learning that may come my way. Hindi kase spoon-feeding sa min so everything might come out on the exams so every detail, whether side talk or hard core lessons pinapakinggan ko. Wala lang.

But then, may pasaway din talaga. Maraming students na in the past na nagbibigay ng hindi magandang comments sa teachers' evaluation evry mid-sem pero walang effect sa mga pasaway na prof. Attitude talaga ang problema nila... saka sobrang talino na rin siguro... ahihihi...

[mr. yotsuya]

there's only two professors who ever impressed me. one is a history teacher who almost always never went to class, and everytime he did, he never taught asian history. i don't remember learning anything about history from that class actually, but everytime we talked to him, he always inspires you to be "madiskarte" rather than be booksmart. its quite unexplainable i guess but his class was the one that left the most impression on me after college.

the other one is a Major's teacher who everyone could see was a really dedicated teacher. But again, i failed to understand any of the theories he taught in class.lol! what i liked were his exams. His exams were not ordinary multiple choice or problem solving exams. they were extremely tough and the items he included were never taught by him during class. he forced his students to develop solutions on their own. students could not pattern the solutions to the problems in the textbooks. basically his scoring system was if you started to approach the problem correctly, you already get a perfect score even if your final answer was wrong but if the start was wrong, you don't even get partial points. i liked his reasoning which was different from most teacher who gave partial points just so the student can pass. moreover, the solutions to his problems were always simple and elegant (only a few lines) but no one could figure it out during the test. i realized students tend to think too much and complicate matters but he's the guy who taught me how to think creatively instead of the usual mechanical solutions from books. he taught us how to think out of the box basically.

for me, its not about the teacher's grading system. i don't mind getting low grades as long as i get something from his class that i can use in real work (or life). i've realized also, that all of those lessons from the textbooks (distillation, hydraulics , mechanics etc.) has never been useful to me in my experience as a designer. basically, a fresh grad's technical knowledge is crap as my mentor showed to me.lol!