[MERGED] Pasma: Doctors, Is this true?

[pinhead]

doc, di ba talaga yung pasma?

[she]

What causes sweaty palms? I just found out that having sweaty palms doesn't mean that you're pasmado.

What's the best remedy for sweaty palms?

Thanks!

[Kamatayan]

I think pasma is just an old wives tale...

[grumpy]

ira: you've been taking histories long enough! sagot! :D

[Ira]

grumpy: LOL, neurologist ka! You're in a better position! Daya!!!! Help me on this though, grumpy and b.u.

From what I know sweaty palms is something you're born with. Best medication? Tissues or handkerchief. Don't take medications unless there is really a need to (i.e., you are already sweating by the gallons thru your palms). You might find that the side effects are more harmful than just mere sweaty palms. As for pasma...from what I understand about that term, it's tremors. I'm afraid I don't have a good grasp of that concept. If it's just benign tremors, I guess Propranolol and antianxiety medications like Bromazepam might help.

[Ira]

sh**...I just realised...pasma might be different from pasmado. What the hell is pasma?! Please translate it in English for me, thanks! :D

[grumpy]

that's actually the problem i have with this particular set of terms. "pasma" depending on the region/dialect could range from tremors in arms and legs, to nervousness (anxiety?), or generalized weakness. "pasmado" seems to be a little more consistent, where the person seems to have a problem with dexterity.

so, pinhead, you'll have to be a little more specific about what you mean by "pasma."

now if it's tremor we're talking about, there can be multiple causes. some of them are treatable, and many of them are benign. for instance, there is a benign familial tremor that happens with movement, and responds well to alcohol. (i'd like an absolut kurant and tonic please. thank you.)

tremors can be associated with underlying problems, like parkinson's disease, liver disease, thyroid overactivity and stroke, just to name a few. again, aside from giving a few general guidelines, i can't get more specific. it will have to be diagnosed on an individual basis by a physician.

if tremor is bad enough to interfere with regular activity, it should be treated. after all, having to get skin grafts after spilling scalding hot coffee on yourself is not fun. and you didn't even get to taste any! Ira mentioned a couple of medications that can be used, and there are a few more. the main caveat is the proper use again of these meds, because the side effects may be more trouble than the tremor itself.

hope this helps.

[grumpy]

she: didn't mean to ignore you! sweaty palms, or hyperhidrosis, is the result of part of your autonomic nervous system running a little bit too fast for it's counter-mechanism to keep up. and it is often associated with anxiety.

Ira's common sense treatment: tissues or a hanky, is in fact the best kind. neurologists don't like to treat this routinely, because the side effects people experience from the medications often overwhelm the annoyance the sweaty palms caused in the first place. but if it's an issue, there is treatment available.

there are also devices on the market, like this drionic thing that some of you may have seen advertised in some american magazines. these claim to zap your sweat glands by running a small electrical current through them. they're pretty useless as a rule, so just save your money and buy some pretty mittens! :)

the most radical treatment involves surgery, to interrupt the circuitry to the sweat glands. unfortunately, this has to be done in an area that's upstream enough to affect other autonomic functions as well. if this was me, a, eh, 'di bale na lang.

so, bottom line: best to just deal with it. but try to minimize the anxiety that triggers it (for most folks, anyway), and there are a gazillion ways to do that.

boy, i'm way too serious today. anybody seen my happy pills?

[Kamatayan]

Hmmm di ba parehas yung pasma and pasmado ? I thought pasmado is the condition of having pasma... i.e. Kung me pasma ka pasmado ka... One's a noun the other's an adjective... Or are they different...

[MO]

is it inborn? or can it be acquired?
basa ang kamay ko..then u place it in front of the fan to dry it.
after typing for long long hours, you wash ur hands.
any effect?

[Ira]

Just as soon as anybody can give the definition of the word, maybe we can have an idea what we're talking about here.

[Mavi]

My lola would always warn us that after ironing clothes, one should avoid water or else our hands will become pasmado (scrunch up into a claw with shakes on the side).

Another story that warns of pasma is that one should avoid taking a shower right after a strenuous exercise.

Is there any truth in that?

[batang uliran]

Nope, absolutely no truth to either.

[she]

Sabi ng matatanda, the remedy for this is that you have to pee(first pee in the morning) on your hands(yuck)...of course I didn't do it...lol

[oscarwarez]

i agree with batang uliran...right after my workout sessions i head straight to the showers, it's so relaxing and so far hindi pa naman ako napapasma.

[NewtoN]

My sister said that "pasma" has no scientific basis. But still, if you take a cold shower after exercise or wash your hands with cold water after typing for hours, I think it might cause arthritis or rheumatism or varicose veins in the long run, is that right Doc Ira?

[batang uliran]

NewtoN:

Washing with water (warm or cold) will in no way lead to arthritis or varicosities. Arthritis (whether rheumatic or not) is inflammation of the joint and varicose veins form from incompetence of the valves in your veins neither of which can be attributed to washing with cold water.

This kind of situation happens all the time - I'm sure many workers (eg. factory workers, auto mechanics etc.) wash their hands after a hard day's work and they aren't prone problems becuase of it. In these situations, if joint problems develop, it's because of the work they do and not the act of washing.

[Ira]

ditto B/U. :)

[she]

THANKS! :)

[bing2x]

doc ira: is there such a condition as 'pasmado' ang buong katawan?

i don't know what the term 'pasmado' is in english-
that was gonna be my second question..

lately kse, my s.o says na parang pasmado daw
ang body nya..yun bang namamanhid sya all-over.
i guess the best way i could describe it is-
you know the feeling you get when your feet falls asleep - ganun exactly, but his is allover and his body temp
is cold.

he's already consulted a doctor here - saying
the feeling is like numbness all over. pero
parang hindi daw alam nung doctor.

ano ba 'to?? and is there a better description
for it.

[asterisk]

Is beta blockers or some forms of muscle relaxant like Frisium (clobazam) effective for involuntary tremors?

[Ira]

bing2x: There are so many different kinds of tremors that it would be impossible to give you even a rough diagnosis online without actually examining the type of tremor he has. Causes of tremors range from simple anxiety attacks, benign familial traits, seizure equivalents, to more serious causes like Parkinsonism and demyelinating diseases. Most tremors are due to anxiety reactions or due to benign familial tremors (meaning, mana-mana lang), but tell him to seek consult with a neurologist so he can get proper help anyway. There is a doctor in St. Luke's Medical Center, Dr. Evidente, a neurologist who subspecializes in movement disorders. If you don't know any neurologist maybe he can be of help.

asterisk: Beta blockers are actually antihypertensive medications which are noted to be also helpful for benign tremors. Of course, your blood pressure shouldn't be low enough that it won't be safe to drink this. Clobazam is an anti-anxiety medication.

[asterisk]

My friend has hyperhydrosis. His hands are always unbelieveably wet as if he just came out of the washroom. We always tell him that maybe he should some Rexona on his palms to prevent or deter profuse sweating. It is a joke of course, but come to think of it, maybe it can work. Will it?

[silver]

ASTERISK: hahaha! may point ka dun... malay mo mag-work!!!

[Ira]

slurbrun: If it's really bad, tell him to get Driclor. It's a hyperhydrosis medication. It's applied once a day until the sweating stops, then you decrease the application to once or twice a week (or in some cases, even less).

[asterisk]

Dr. Ira, huh? I don't see slurbrun's message. Or your post is intended for me?

[Ira]

Oops!!! Sorry, asterisk! I usually have a lot of browser windows open and may have confused you for slurbrun when I was answering your post. :)

[celeb]

...kasi pagkatapos ko mag-jogging, ligo agad.sabi nila masama raw iyon...mapapasma raw...pagtanda madali magkarayuma, magkaka-varicose veins...etcetc

[rors]

accdg to my PE101, pasma is not true. i always take a bath right after jogging. :D

[Ira]

There is no truth to that. Rheumatism and varicose veins have no links with bathing after exercise.

[MsEerie]

so what causes "pasma", rheumatism, and varicose veins?

[Ira]

Pasma is a Filipino myth. There is nothing in the medical field which shows it exists. Rheumatoid arthritis is an acquired disease in which genetic factors appear to play a role. There is widespread immunologic and inflammatory alterations of the connective tissue. Varicose veubs are just dilated superficial veins in the lower extremities, due to inadequate support as the veins deep in the leg, which are surrounded by muscles. An inherited defect plays a major role in the development of varicosities in many instances, due to a fundamental weakness of the vessel wall, or defective valves in the veins.

[cathybee]

Let me get this straight...so rheumatism or arthritis is gotten from genes and not from bathing late at night or bathing after some physical activity? :confused:

[Ira]

Bingo.

[silver]

i thought the occurance of sweating and trembling of the hands is called "pasma"... so, what is that called?

[Ira]

It's simply called tremors (of which there are several types), but I believe the core concept of pasma is different, since it ascribes the tremors and sweating to something else.

[silver]

what causes these tremors and sweating?... why is it equated to pasma, when these tremors and sweating are not pasma?... i really don't get it because i have grown to know that the tremors and sweating are signs of pagka-pasmado.

[Ira]

Where do I even begin...? There are literally hundreds or even thousands of causes of tremors and sweating, from essential tremors which is a familial tendency and does not have any structural abnormalities, to brain or adrenal tumors or autonomic hyperreflexia. Suffice to say that the concept pasma is a myth the way Filipinos understand it to be.

[GForce]

Since PASMA ang subject, sabi ng nakakatanda, it's bad to wash my face during lunch break kasi mapapasma daw ako. Lalabo ang mata. My work involves a computer kasi - maghapon sa harap ng computer. Is that true?

[This message has been edited by GForce (edited 05-24-2000).]

[Ira]

No, it isn't.

[SaMmIe^^^]

eh what causes yung shaking ng hands and yung pagkanagpapawis yung palm? di ko gets... baket ba nagkakaganon kung theres no such thing as "pasma"?? :confused:

[lief_meisje83]

doc help!
i'm regularly working out pero i only wipe sweat after that kc sbi ng mom ko masama daw maligo.......pls help

[Ira]

I think I've already answered that in this thread several times.

[Ira]

Go ahead and jump in the shower. There's nothing wrong with taking a bath after a workout.

[fReAk]

yeap there is no truth to that sabi nga ng pe tchers ko mula elem till coll its always nice to take a bath after soccer hehehe lalo na yung putik putik ka ansarap magbababad sa banyo...

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[star*x]

Really?

Then how do you get those engorged veins in your hands? I have them in mine and I didn't get them before...well, before I started washing my hands after doing some heavy work like typing the whole day and stuff like that.

I'm also experiencing "arthritis-like" pains in my knee-joints and in my hands. What caused that?

[dj_ericsson]

I think I heard it once in a news program that you should wait for 15 minutes before jumping to the shower.

I also heard that putting alcohol before shower is advisable.

:confused:

[liarenskie]

hindi ba totoo ang PASMA?

[Ira]

Originally posted by star*x:

Then how do you get those engorged veins in your hands? I have them in mine and I didn't get them before...well, before I started washing my hands after doing some heavy work like typing the whole day and stuff like that.


That isn't even pasma. Occassionally you'll have prominent upper extremity veins, maybe because you don't have too much fat, maybe because you're a male...it is normal, and doesn't mean anything.

I'm also experiencing "arthritis-like" pains in my knee-joints and in my hands. What caused that?


If you're still in your teens or twenties, joint pains are probably muscular in origin, unless you have a history of fall or trauma to the said part.

[Ira]

That news program probably means a hot shower. Bathing after exercise is not bad. Some are worried that hot water coupled with a strenuous workout may cause blood vessels to dilate too much, resulting in a drop in blood pressure. But this rarely happens, if at all. If you're worried about a fall in BP, then take a cold shower. As for alcohol, that's hogwash.

liarenski: Please check the pasma thread.

[liarenskie]

doc Ira, last 1992 i was confined in a hospital coz i had water in my lungs kasi before ko nalaman yun i was playing basketball while it was raining, yun kaya yung naging cause nun? kasi sabi nung friend ko na nasa medical field eh, open daw ang pores natin pag-pinag-papawisan, or during that time eh pagod ako, ano po kaya?

[Ira]

You caught pneumonia when you played under the rain. Pneumonia is "caught" thru the the respiratory tract, not thru skin. Our body's physiology doesn't work that way.

Physical activites cause you to sweat, and your pores may open a bit, but when it rains, your body's reaction is to "close" the pores because of the lower temperature. Notice that when it's cold, you tend to pee more because the body can't sweat the water out, so the fluid goes out thru the urinary tract instead.

[liarenskie]

doc thanks, may that serve a lesson to others who plays basketball, kasi its nice to play when its raining, hindi ka iitim :D, kasi hindi covered court *** court sa amin eh, thanks alot :)

[Ira]

Ngii...I'm not encouraging you to play basketball under the rain. Moisture from the rain may lead to pulmonary congestion and may result in pneumonia.

[palaso]

how long is the recommended time for taking a bath after a work-out/strenuous activity?

[palaso]

Originally posted by Ira:
Ngii...I'm not encouraging you to play basketball under the rain. Moisture from the rain may lead to pulmonary congestion and may result in pneumonia.

thanks IRA...does your reply to liarenskie also hold true to people who love SWIMMING under the rain?

[Ira]

There's no time limit. Of course, it would be very nice if you can get out of the shower or the tub before you turn into a prune, and let your family members take their turns naman. ;)

[Ira]

Yep. Although I don't necessarily follow that advice. ;) Matitigas ulo ng mga doktor e. :D

[prizecision]

Lief...ganyan din problem ko, but for me it helps if i put on alcohol or let my body cool off for a few minutes. This is a purely personal theory but what i experience is that you have to let your body really cool off. if you take a really fast shower na parang di mo nailabas yung heat na nagenerate ng activity mo, then para ngang pasma--ive had experiences that way, kaya i always let myself cool down then jump in the shower for quite a longish time.

[dzhon]

Lemme get this straight: It's OKAY that even immediately after a say 1 1/2 hrs. of workout, it's okay to jump to a cold (sorry no heater) shower? This would break the long belief that you need to have at least 3hrs. rest before taking a shower...(sorry, medyo do ko lang ma digest ka-agad)

[Ira]

Originally posted by dzhon
Lemme get this straight: It's OKAY that even immediately after a say 1 1/2 hrs. of workout, it's okay to jump to a cold (sorry no heater) shower? This would break the long belief that you need to have at least 3hrs. rest before taking a shower...(sorry, medyo do ko lang ma digest ka-agad)

Yes, it's perfectly fine to do so.

[ryilin]

eh dra. , di ba when we do workouts/exercise, we wear socks. is it ok to immediately take a shower after taking ur shoes off? will that cause ur feet to smell or something?

:)

[Ira]

It's okay to take a bath immediately after taking your socks off. Taking a bath will not cause smelly feet--it will actually prevent you from developing smelly feet, actually.

[Zen]

Here are links to the pasma threads:

pasma (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=21675)
totoo ba iyong phenomenon ng PASMA? (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=21986)

:D

[star*x]

Question: Where, then, do we get those moist palms and soles? If its okay to take a bath after doing heavy work and after taking off your socks how come some people get pasma? Tapos what causes the veins in our hands to become engorged? My dad says it's when you wash your hands after doing heavy work, or taking a bath, for that matter. Which is which?

[Ira]

Our body has millions and millions of sweat glands, which is part of our thermoregulating mechanism. That's why we don't develop heat strokes every single day--our body sweats out the heat, which will otherwise make our body system go bonkers. Pasma is a myth. Washing your hands or taking a bath immediately after working won't make the veins stick out more. It's just the way a particular person's body is made to be by genetics and environment.

[As-66]

I think the "myth" of pasmado and working out has a lot to do with uhmmm... what's the term... neuromuscular failure? :confused:

Doc elaborate on this naman oh.

All I know is after Deadlifting 190 basically everything shivers uncontrollably. Parang yung muscular recruitment patterns nagiging very... jerky. Hmmmm... I should read up on this. I don't seem to get this aspect.

Oh, and maybe if you're tired, and your sweating, and you bathe. Well, you might feel cold and shiver. Hmm.. bobo na ako. :crazy:

[Ira]

Originally posted by As-66
I think the "myth" of pasmado and working out has a lot to do with uhmmm... what's the term... neuromuscular failure? :confused:

Doc elaborate on this naman oh.

All I know is after Deadlifting 190 basically everything shivers uncontrollably. Parang yung muscular recruitment patterns nagiging very... jerky. Hmmmm... I should read up on this. I don't seem to get this aspect.

Oh, and maybe if you're tired, and your sweating, and you bathe. Well, you might feel cold and shiver. Hmm.. bobo na ako. :crazy:

Pasma, from what I understand it to mean, means that you get tremors at rest because of washing your hands when tired or some such reason. I think you mean something else altogether.

[gwaps]

ey doc ira .. thanks ha.

and sorry din if gawa pa ko isang thread regarding pasma. its my first time in this forum. that was my first post din ... :)

[Ira]

You're welcome, and no problem.

[mechalasingero]

hi good doctors just have a question to ask. is it bad or does it cause pasma or any complication if i after basketball, having sex, masturbation, tired at work, or any similar case take a bath right after those activities. ive heard lots of chitchats regarding this most specially *** sa basketball thing, minsan after a game i go directly to the shower room sometimes naman hindi kasi masama raw. pls shed some light on this matter thanks!

[Ira]

Not at all. Pasma as a concept is not true. You can do anything you want and wash your hands after, and it won't cause you to develop tremors.

[ari]

Is it bad to take a shower after:

1. exercising?
2. getting a massage?

Some people say, you will be prone to "pasma" if you shower immediately after undergoing the above-mentioned activities.

How about hand washing after heavy hand work, is it connected in anyway to being "pasmado" (shaky hands)? If not, how is "pasma" caused?

[batang uliran]

Asked and answered in the past:
pasma (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=21675)

[lovezoe]

Doc Ira how about kung nagpahilot (as in body massage) kasi masakit halimbawa ang muscles sa katawan. Sabi nila, di rin daw pwede maligo after na mahilot kc mapapasma. Is dis true?

[Ira]

Nope, not true.

[Legolas_1416]

So lumalabas, puwedeng mag-hugas ng pinggan ang maid namin even after mag-plantsa??? They're making alibis na baka ma-pasma sila after ironing our clothes.

[Ira]

Yes. Although I think their excuses are borne more out of ignorance and traditional beliefs rather than any malice or laziness.

[redcloud]

pasma...is it really true? what are the symptoms and treatment? my friends told me na pasmado daw ako 'coz my hands sweat.

[eyedoc]

This has been discussed before. Check the following threads:

totoo ba iyong phenomenon ng PASMA? (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21986)
pasma (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21675)

[jinjer]

yung kanang kamay ko masakit.mga dulo ng daliri ko parang ibig mamanhid.sumasakit na buong kamay ko at nagaglit ang mga ugat na tumutugon hanggang sa likod ko.pasma kaya ito o kaya iyong sinasabi nilang nalamigan daw.d makuha ng bengay ang sakit.ano kaya mabuti dito?thanks.

[ghostdancer]

Dear Doctor:

Is there really a scientific term/condition for "pasma". Accdg to old folks, huwag daw mamalantsa at maghugas ng kamay pagkatapos dahil baka mapasma ka.

IMHO, I think it's pure BS and old wive's tales. Kasi sala sa init at lamig ang katawan ko, ala naman akong nararamdaman. Wadda you think doc?

[Moisturizer]

this is not a joke ha.. sabi naman nung mga lola ko

ibabad daw sa ihi yung kamay (or ihian) (sorry sa term :) ) para mawala yung pagkapasma, tapos rinse . mas mainam daw gawin to sa umaga sa unang ihi mo..:)

[ruger97]

jinjer: parang rhyme yung pag-sangguni mo ha... anyway, kelan lang ba sya sumakit? may ginawa ka ba na activity bago ito sumakit (exerted or forceful)? what do you mean by "pagtugon sa likod"? is it pain radiating to the back or from the back? kahit ba at rest masakit sya or pag-active lang? affected ba sya ng change in temperature or weather?

pasensya ka na kung madami akong tanong... ina-isolate natin kasi ang maaring probable cause... do check out the PT thread for help from my other co-PTs.

ghostdancer: pasma? I think it is but a local parlance for tremor on the hands, similar to the local term "bangungot" as in cases of death from nightmares, acute pancreatitis, atbp.

[jinjer]

dear doctor,i can feel pain even when at rest.several nights i will woke up round 2 am with pain. posible kaya mataas ang uric acid ko o salt sa katawan? mataba kasi ako na payat naman kay ruby rodriguez, dapat kaya ang diet? galit ang mga ugat ko eh.tnx.

[eyedoc]

There is no equivalent medical or scientific term for pasma. See the following threads on this topic:
totoo ba iyong phenomenon ng PASMA? (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21986)
pasma (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21675)

From the way you describe your symptoms, I suspect that you might have a peripheral neuropathy (nerve problem). It's hard to be sure, though, without doing a physical exam on you. It's best for you to see a neurologist who can determine the cause of your problem.

[jinjer]

thanks doc!

[musashi]

may pag-asa pa ba na gumaling *** mga taong pasmado?? curious lang...

[eyedoc]

Pasma or pasmado is actually a very traditional Filipino concept. It may range from having sweaty hands to tremulousness. As such, we cannot have an exact remedy for the range of symptoms that Filipinos see as pasma, since, medically, there is no equivalent for that concept.

[chefdepartie]

i have tried the "urine therapy" thing wherein you soak your hands in "unang ihi sa umaga" for 10 minutes. hindi naging masyadong sweaty yung mga kamay ko kapag ginagawa ko sa isang araw. grabe kasi magsweat o pasma kamay ko eh. tinanong ko rin yung family doctor namin, ala parin daw siang alam na remedy.

so eyedoc, sa tingin nio ba eh may mga research na about this on how to remedy it? problema ko talaga kc sweaty hands eh.

[eyedoc]

It really depends on what caused the sweating in the first place. There's a thread on this somewhere. I'll try to look for it. (Hirap ng walang search function!)

[musashi]

thanks eyedoc. a word from you again would be really appreciated. having this condition is really a big problem for me. it makes me think twice about shaking other people's hands and it greatly reduces my self-confidence....:(

[maxieGRL]

i've shaking uncontrolably lately. my med student sis says, its sign of over fatigue already.

[n3k0]

is there really such a thing?? well, medyo naguguluhan lang ako .. pero i really don't believe in it kasi ..

[amazon]

walang medical basis yan tsaka dito lang sa pilipinas may pasma.

[n3k0]

hahah .. only in the philippines ba?? oh well .. heheh . thanks for the info .. :D

[the_busdriver]

sabi ng prof. ko sa p.e. before...

"there's no such thing as pasma"

i'm not sure, pero sabi sabi lang daw ng matatanda un eh!!!

[bjmanabat]

i only heard "pasma" form my grandparents who doesn't want us to wash or take a bath immediately after playing basketball. in medical school, however i don't remember it being existent and there simply is no scientific basis to it.

[n3k0]

ah i see .. it's more of a "sabi-sabi" ..

[WTF]

ano nga? from a professional point of view...

kasi sabi nila ihian daw sa umaga.. totoo ba yun?

[Ira]

There is no such thing as pasma. I don't comprehend the concept myself.

Maybe it's better if you described your problem.

[bjmanabat]

may topic na dito about pasma and i believe it's still on. anyway i just want to reiterate that there is NO scientific basis to this and the word probably originated from old folks who doesn't recommend washing or talking a bath after working or playing.

[blue23mkti]

hmm, i also believe that it is not true.

so does that mean kahit kagagaling ko lang sa labas, and pawis na pawis ako, pwede akong maligo agad?

[Ira]

Yes.

[WTF]

pero bakit pinagpapawisan lagi palad ko?

anong cause nito?

[webfreak]

kala ko ang pasmado...pag nanginginig yung kamay ng walang dahilan...

kaso ganun yung situation ko...hindi naman yung nanginginig talaga...hindi ganun ka lakas...

ano ba cause nito...may gamot pa ba to?

sabi nila ibabad daw sa maligamgam na tubig na may asin?

[bjmanabat]

Originally posted by WTF
pero bakit pinagpapawisan lagi palad ko?

anong cause nito?

its inherent in you. everybody is different. some have excessive swelling at the peri oral area, chin, underarm etc. however certain circumstances may cause anyone to sweat more like tension, heat, fever etc.

[WTF]

yeah huh?! and most of my relatives are like that. hmm..

[chebyshev]

If i'm not mistaken, my question is also related to "pasma". Is it really not advisable to take a bath if you just had a few hours of sleep or no sleep at all for say, 36 hours because you worked overtime?

[eyedoc]

No. Just an old wives' tale.

[chebyshev]

i thought so. thanks eyedoc! :)

[B_Mac]

I would just like to know because I've been practicing such habit for a very long time. Thanks!!!

[Ira]

Nope. Go ahead and take a bath immediately after any activity.

[skybar]

doc ira - really? so when they said that taking a shower after a strenuous activity is not advisable kasi mapapasma - misconception lang yon? from what you said, i take it that it's OK to take a shower na agad without resting your feet. i've always been told kasi to take my socks off before jumping in the shower. please shed some light on this topic. thanks!

[eyedoc]

Pasma has no scientific basis.

[GilmoreGal]

how bout d veins(on arms and feet)...won't it be more visible?

[eyedoc]

Nope.

[hanskyut]

kahit cold or hot water ang ipapaligo ok lang?

[victor_wood]

Originally posted by skybar
i've always been told kasi to take my socks off before jumping in the shower. please shed some light on this topic. thanks!

DAPAT LANG!!!di naman yata tamang maligo ka ng may medyas!!;)

[eyedoc]

I repeat...there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a bath after exercise. It doesn't really matter if the water is hot or cold.

[the_BuGs]

Originally posted by victor_wood
DAPAT LANG!!!di naman yata tamang maligo ka ng may medyas!!;)

oo nga naman :lol: :rotfl:

[twigz]

pano pag kakatapos lang mamalantsa? :)

[PorkChop :o)]

oo nga doc ira.. sabi kasi ng matatanda cause daw to ng ketong eh.. maligo after mamalantsa??

[Ira]

As we have already said repeatedly, you can take a bath ANYTIME you want after ANY activity. ANYTIME. There is NO CONTRAINDICATION. None. Nada. Nyet.

[Stolich]

doc ira, since you said no contraindication of taking shower after any activity, what cause those tiny veins on the feet?

many thanks!

[Ira]

Varicosities and spider veins on the lower extremities are due to veins that have dilated because the venous valves are not functioning properly, causing the blood to pool in that area instead of going up the heart. Usually there is a family history of spider veins and varicosities and is due to prolonged standing up. It is not due to taking a bath after exercise.

[the_BuGs]

so dapat ni-rereflexology yan para mag circulate? am I right doc Ira?

[Ira]

Nope.

[angelbabe_529]

ummm... so how do u prevent un veins sa paa doc Ira? Kc pansin ko sa gym mejo un mga tao don halos ugatin un feet nila.. so baka nakaka-ugat nga na maligo agad after workout?

[Ira]

Elevating legs when sitting, wearing support stockings, avoidance of standing up for long periods of time and regular cardiovascular exercise can help prevent varicosities.

Again, you do not develop varicose veins because you take a bath immediately after you work out.

[Jonga]

dba pag cold water ang ginamit mo sa ligo sasara yung mga pores mo tapos pag hot water bubukas? nakakapasok ba ang lamig sa balat ng tao?

bakit pansin ko pag hinarap ko yung tyan ko sa electric fan na todo lakas....utut ako ng utut?

[the_BuGs]

jonga : kabag lang yan... naalala ko kapag overnyt tinatakpan mo ng twalya ang tyan mo... eheheheheh

[XetraDAX]

wow... sobrang naliwanagan ako sa topic na ito!!

[buddee10]

ganun pala

hay naku ang rami talagang issues sa pagligo

lalo na yung kapag naligo ka raw ng gabi bago matulog

mabubulag ka raw?

haay naku

[Sakuragi]

my hand trembles alot lalo na after basketball.
pero kahit na di nag basketball . pag kakain sometimes its shakes alot na nakakahiya pag kakain ako...
any treatment para dun?

[eyedoc]

It depends on what causes the tremors. If it bothers your daily activities it may be best to have it checked so that the cause may be investigated and managed.

[tintura_de_yodo]

How about after studying without getting any sleep? My dad and I just had a fight this morning about it. I can't go to school without taking a bath... is it ok?

many thanks!

[eyedoc]

Nope. Go ahead and take a bath. Of course, it's not good also not to get any sleep.

[stanley]

whoa!! I just wish my dad got the chance to browse through this thread..

[Hornsby]

Call me a little bit of a traditionalist pero nagpapahinga muna ako kahit isang oras pagkatapos maglaro ng soccer or kahit magluto, kasi minsan nagkasakit ako pagkatapos maglaro. Buong maghapon naglaro kami nuon (babad sa araw), tapos pagkauwi ligo. Hayun kinaumagahan ang sakit na ng katawan ko. Ewan ko ba kung bakit naisipan kong maligo at hindi magpahinga. Dati ok lang ako kapag hindi ako naligo after playing sports.

Anyway, wala namang masama kung magpahinga ka muna at maligo. I guess, you'll know the effects kapag may edad ka na. As usual, ikaw naman ang magpapayo sa anak mo na "anak wag kang maliligo ng pagod". :)

[eyedoc]

Hornsby - You're right naman na wala rin namang masama if you do avoid taking a bath afterwards. Nasa sa inyo naman yun. But, scientifically, there is no basis for any bad effects out of taking a bath. :)

[Introvert_S]

is there a way to para mahinto/ ma-minimize (?) yung sweaty palms? nakakainis na kasi. and I'm the only one with this condition sa aming magkakapatid. Feel ko wala na rin akong magagawa about the tremors

[eyedoc]

Excessive sweating (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139772)
another helpful thread (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21974)

[fifs2002ph]

most pilipinos know the term pasma and always accompanied with the tremors or sweating...not written but its existing
what's wrong is that on how pilipinos believe on aquiring pasma
cant we consider pasma as tremors or sweating and correct the belief that you'll get pasma if you wash after stranuous work

[eyedoc]

The problem with traditional beliefs is that it's very hard to convince people otherwise. I've tried convincing our maid. No dice. She'd rather see an albularyo than see me, unless it's an emergency. :)

[Myst]

then what causes "pasma"? and make veins appear in your legs, etc?

[eyedoc]

As has been repeatedly stated, there is no scientific basis for pasma.

As for prominent veins, this has already been answered by Ira a few posts above. Please read through this thread again.

[sonjak]

ok lang bang maligo ng umaga after night shift ng 12am to 8am. and im a casino dealer so nakatayo buong magadamag hindi ba mag ka varicose vein ako.

[eyedoc]

sonjak - Yes, it's ok. As was repeatedly said above (please read the whole thread again, it's been explained already), varicose veins are NOT caused by bathing.

[Fenix]

Is it also the same with regards to the eyes? after being in front of the monitor for several hours and then ligo immediately.. ok lang din yun?

[Ira]

Yes.

[OliverWood21]

Oops.. existing na rin ang thread.. Sorry Doc Ira.. wasnt able to see it.. Thanks.. ;)

[adik_chick]

e what about po sa eyes? after long hours of computer work....bawal bang basain ang mata???

[eyedoc]

It's been answered several times already in this forum, and several times in this particular thread, the latest being 3 posts above. (Again, people, please read again before you post a redundant question. Nakakapagod sumagot ng paulit-ulit na tanong.) The answer is that it's ok to wet your eyes. It will not cause blindness. It will not increase or decrease your grade. It's just one of those "sabi ng matatanda" things. Go ahead and wash.

[pollywog]

"Pasma", "lamig", etc. doesn't exists in the medical field. Although marami pa ring naniniwala...

[neth_row]

Lafftrip 'tong thread na'to, parang nang-aasar lang yung mga nagtatanong sa itaas :glee:

Eh pano kung kakatapos lang mag-______, puwede ba maligo? :rotflmao:

[mc_316]

Pasma caused by taking a bath after exercise?! Hindi ako naniniwala dito!

Eh kung totoo to, eh di lahat ng swimmers pasmado?! Eh napaka-strenous pa naman ng swimming!

:glee::D

[audric_lao]

e pano naman mapapalessen *** shaking ng hands.. *** tipong nanginginig...?

[Ira]

There is such a thing as essential tremors. If you're not drinking lots of caffeine-containing liquids and some members of your family seem to have this problem also, you may be suffering from a familial form, which is very common. It's a benign condition, and if it's not getting worse, you may not need treatment. Just remove the caffeine from your intake, lessen stress (which can make essential tremors worse). Treatment of essential tremor may include tranquilizers, antihypertensive meds, and anti-seizure drugs, which are not exactly side effects-free. In which case, the treatment may even be worse than the condition. If it's not drastically affecting your normal activities, my suggestion is to live with it. Otherwise, you'll have to see a neurologist to see which meds will work for you.

[pollywog]

I'm thinking pasma is a form of stress. Mainit tapos biglang lamig. Kasi lahat ng bagay pag sobrang init tapos inilagay sa sobrang malamig, nagkakaroon ng physical changes.

Wala lang...

[jtan]

just base on my experience, mas napapawisan kamay ko pag under stress pag hindi under stress di naman nakaka experience ng ganon... very much connected to the 'health' status of our body

as to which part i have no idea...

[squeezewax]

ngayon ko lang narinig na pasma is hereditary. but im convince that it's true, kase bata pa ako pasmado na ako. siguro i got it from my dad who's also pasmado. kakainis nga eh, lalo pa naa-aggravate pag umiinom ako ng coffee.

[sinister7zex]

I just wanna add something about varicose veins and rheumatoid arthritis. Though hereditary factors may play roles in the development of these diseases, there are other "acquired" factors. Especially in varicose veins, they can be acquired due to prolonged standing and poor blood supply in the lower extremities. In rheumatoid arthritis, its an immunologic disease that can be acquired through some infections.

[kremlin]

Doc,
so how did this notion come about, that hindi pwede magbasa ng kamay kapag galing sa mainit? Like after using flat iron?
Why do people think that it is bad, if you say that it isn't? Ba't kaya?

[Ira]

No idea.

[kremlin]

Eyedoc..?

[eyedoc]

Old beliefs passed from I-don't-know-where.

We say it's not bad because there is really no scientific basis for anything happening to the hands just because you wet it after doing something.

[mac326]

it's interesting to find out nga naman kung saan nagmula yung misconceptions na yan. i let my mom read this thread. good thing naliwanagan na lahat ng tao sa bahay.

[Verbl Kint]

Huwag ka mag-shower after workout, mapapasma ka.

Huwag ka maghugas ng kamay pagkatapos mag-drive, mapapasma ka.

Huwag ka maliligo pagkatpos magpahilot/masahe kasi mapapasma ka.

Totoo ba to? Parang wala kasing sense...

At saka ano ba talaga ang pasma? Ang kuwento kasi ang Parkinson's disease yun daw resulta ng pasma (obviously hindi).

[nightshade]

Old wives tale.

There's no such thing as pasma.

[Verbl Kint]

Any clues on what started this frenzied fear of bathing after strenuous activities?

[darl722]

Ang alam ko ang sobrang pagod as in sobrang daming work tapos biglang maliligo. Tawag sa amin dito sa bicol, tabardilyo...same as what happened in a Leo Tolystoy's short story ang "three arshins of land"

[GilmoreGal]

Ang alam ko ang sobrang pagod as in sobrang daming work tapos biglang maliligo

............. tapos matulog...babangungutin. It happend to my former classmate

[eyedoc]

There is no such thing as pasma. That is an old wive's tale.

[Tmac_1]

if so, anong dahilan pag nanginginig yung kamay natin?

does that mean taking a cold shower right after a game of basketball is perfectly fine?

[eyedoc]

There are already several existing threads on pasma. Please look through them.

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21986
http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21675

And, yes, taking a shower after playing basketball is fine. Still, a lot of "traditionalists" would disagree with me.

[Tmac_1]

wow... sa 22 years ko dito sa mundo ngayon ko lang to nalaman! hehehe! thanks eyedoc!!

i got another question na medyo related dito... how bout kung nagbasketball ka tapos sobrang pawis na pawis ka, then humarap ka sa electric fan... may bad effect ba to?

[eyedoc]

In this case, it's better to just wipe off the sweat first and drink fluids to replace what is lost. No relation to pasma, though.

[holy_smoke]

I think taking a cold shower soon after an exercise or after playing a game like basketball is not recommended mainly because the body temperature is high. I'm just looking at putting ice in a pot of warm water. I normally take a warm shower everytime after exercise, it feels good.

[akosininio]

palagi kasi ako pinagsasabihan ng parents ko tungkol dito.

1. Totoo ba na kapag kakahubad mo palang ng sapatos (mga 5 hours siguro nakasuot) tapos magbabasa ka ng paa, eh mapapasma na yung paa mo?

2. Pag matagal ka daw na nagccomputer, tapos bigla ka naghilamos, masama din daw to kasi mapapasma daw yung mata?

3. After magbasketball, gano katagal dapat ang rest bago magshower?

Im really confused. Sana may makasagot.:)

[smilewarrior]

^It's not true. If I have time, I'll merge this with the older "Pasma" thread.

[akosininio]

Really? Wow, thanks a lot. Now i dont have to worry about taking a bath right after taking off my shoes.:) Hope you get to merge the threads, since the search function is always down.

[smilewarrior]

^Already merged dude. These might help (you can also read the entire thread if you like):

eh dra. , di ba when we do workouts/exercise, we wear socks. is it ok to immediately take a shower after taking your shoes off? will that cause your feet to smell or something?

:)

It's okay to take a bath immediately after taking your socks off. Taking a bath will not cause smelly feet--it will actually prevent you from developing smelly feet, actually.

Masama ba maligo after magbasketball or kung after wearing shoes for a long time?

I would just like to know because I've been practicing such habit for a very long time. Thanks!!!

Nope. Go ahead and take a bath immediately after any activity.

[akosininio]

wow that was quick! thanks a lot smilewarrior!

[smilewarrior]

You're welcome.

[princessren]

may gamot ba dito? minsan kasi a in sobra ang panginginig ng hands ko, minsan hindi naman.......

HELP!

[mommy gi]

doc, i've been experiencing numbness in my left arm for some time then lately meron ng pain na parang "ngawit" yung buong arm... it's so painful na hirap na akong huminga. it even gets worst kapag nakahiga ako. some say its pasma nga daw... but im convinced thats its not so i consulted a dr and he said naipit daw nerve... yung brachial plexus to be exact... he gave me pain relievers and for anti neuropathic pain. according to a friend, this kind of pain daw cant be remediated with drugs... she is suggesting accupuncture, hilot or chiropractor.... would those help? thanks!

[Verbl Kint]

I just found out that my mom actually believes in this. That, after all her years in school. Tsk tsk...

[savage24]

I just found out that my mom actually believes in this. That, after all her years in school. Tsk tsk...


Yeah you're right bro.. It happened to me till now, im still suffering with this **** thing pasma. I used to go to the gym b4 and go to shower after my training. And i made this as my daily routine. After a month, one night i was trembling, i can't even have a nice sleep every night, im always having chet dreams which awakens me up at 4am, i always feel weak, my backbone is aching, i can even feel joint pain, diziness which went up to vomiting, the doctors say's its just a muscular spasm, but after a week medication, still andito parin, and everynight i experienced those chet thing i mentioned. It now affects all my activities, even at work, and dali ko ng mapagod, mahiluhin na and always feel weak. Nagsisisi nga ako sa ginawa ko, i ask my gym trainer b4 bout it, if its okay if ill take a bath after workout, the he says yes theirs nothing wrong with it. Pak chet, ndi pala totoo yon.. Can please someone help me get back into normal condition.. Kaya guys advise ko *** sa inyo don't do it as a routine.. If you think why people in other cold countries do not suffer from pasma, yes because their body temperature is aware from it, while us is living in tropical climate, kaya usually mainit ang kalamnan naten, kaya kpg napasukan ng lamig they will collide to each other..

Hope some of you guys learn from this..

[greenstab]

im just wondering bakit karamihan sa lalaki ang nakakaranas nito? ang pasma OR yung pamamasa ng kamay?

[greenstab]

ang case ko naman, nahihirapan akong huminga pero in-ecg ako, wala namang problema. tapos niresetahan ako ng doctor ko ng vitamins. vitamin b yon para sa nerve. tapos nakalagay sa description,para din daw yun sa pasma and mga nerve-related sickness. eh may pasma din ako.so may connect kaya ang pagiging pagudin ko sa pagiging pasma ko? di ko natanong sa doctor ko. although walang pasma i just dont know what the right term to say. what can you say doc?

[greenstab]

Supraneuron Tablet yung vitamins ko.

[brick23]

Hi po!

Dunno kung natanong na ito dati, masama po ba talagang maligo after a massage?

Pasma daw aabutin ko.:(

Kaso nga lang, minsan di ko type ang oil na ginagamit, at sandamakmak pa sila magpahid, so minsan hindi ko maiwasan maligo afterwards...:rolleyes:

any comments?

[dhaniella05]

sabi nga pasma daw ang aabutin pero hindi ko pa kasi na try ang maligo after magpa massage. may naging effect ba sa yo nung naligo ka after massage?

[feualumni]

not naman although when i took a bath mejo mainit yung tubig

[brick23]

sabi nga pasma daw ang aabutin pero hindi ko pa kasi na try ang maligo after magpa massage. may naging effect ba sa yo nung naligo ka after massage?


wala naman ako iba nararamdaman, mas inaantok pa ako after maligo....ang worry ko lang kasi habit ko na, baka in the long run, makarma ang katawan ko :depressed:

[fqtprt]

Rest daw muna for at least 2 hours after massage before taking a bath.

[smilewarrior]

Hindi daw totoo ang Pasma according to our medical doctors. Backread na lang kayo. :)

[simplicity6731]

Nakikisabay ako sa Mom ko pag nag papa home service massage sya usually on a Sat or Sunday night before bedtime after she suffered a mild stroke a year ago. What I do is, dahil before bedtime ako usually nag papamasahe, warm shower muna ako before the massage. And I use the lightest and mildest baby LOTION instead of OIL. So I take a bath na uli sa morning upon waking-up dahil hindi naman siya greasy. Try nyo gamitin yung J&J Bedtime Bath (yung may chamomile) on your pre-massage shower, then yung J&J Bedtime Lotion pang masahe instead of oil. You will sleep like a baby, smells like a baby and your skin feels like a baby's. Hehehe Seriously, very relaxing at talagang sarap tulog ko.

[xDLoL03]

Ahmm mam, pano po ba yung kaso ko? Kasi po pasmado po ako as IN! started with my palms to my feet, then on my underarm? Theres no time in a day na hindi po ako papawisan (Kahit nasa aircon po ako) kahit wala po ako ginagawa! ang cause daw po kasi I play computer a 10 hours a day onwards! then bigla ako magbabasa curable po ba ito? ano po ba dapat kong gawin? maraming salamat po!

[xDLoL03]

ahmm 13 years old po pala ako! currently im living in dubai with my parents po hehe! new lang me sa forums na ito!

[brick23]

Nakikisabay ako sa Mom ko pag nag papa home service massage sya usually on a Sat or Sunday night before bedtime after she suffered a mild stroke a year ago. What I do is, dahil before bedtime ako usually nag papamasahe, warm shower muna ako before the massage. And I use the lightest and mildest baby LOTION instead of OIL. So I take a bath na uli sa morning upon waking-up dahil hindi naman siya greasy. Try nyo gamitin yung J&J Bedtime Bath (yung may chamomile) on your pre-massage shower, then yung J&J Bedtime Lotion pang masahe instead of oil. You will sleep like a baby, smells like a baby and your skin feels like a baby's. Hehehe Seriously, very relaxing at talagang sarap tulog ko.

hindi kasi kami nagpapahome service, usually nagkakaayaan lang minsan, pero nice idea u have there, next time, i'll try to bring my own oil.:D