Reasons for working abroad aside from $$$

[deeps]

Dba usually the most heard reason why filipinos work abroad is because of money, yung mga tipong nagiiyakan na para makatulong sa pamilya nila :(

Anyone here na may other reasons be it good or bad like for example:
bad - kasi yung isang friend ko ayaw nyang makita yung parents nya dahil galit sya
good - para hindi na sya mangungutang at hihingi ng pera :lol:

[jiminabottle]

Better culture.

[BlueTear]

Credentials!!! :D

[pinkjellybean]

-independence
-personal/professional growth

[lite_blue_f]

- work experience/ career advancement
- the perks/ better pay
- hmmm.. to get away from someone???

[byby]

Credentials!!! :D

quoted to 2nd this response! (badtrip and "at least 10 characters long response" :grrr: sana "2nd this!" lang sasabihin ko. :rotflmao: )

[dragonb@ll]

to find a foreigner partner hehehe........see the world not only Philippines.........having more money makes you more mobile to see other places.

[monarchrising]

para makakita ng SNOW!!!!

[byby]

para makakita ng SNOW!!!!

seeing is one thing, but experiencing winter.... ehh.. you'd hope you were not anywhere near snow ever again.

[munchkin21]

para makakita ng SNOW!!!!

isa ito sa reasons ko!! hahahaha! :lol:

[Ice Burn]

It was because of the company (a multilateral organization) for me when I worked abroad. :)

seeing is one thing, but experiencing winter.... ehh.. you'd hope you were not anywhere near snow ever again.

Yeah I totally agree. I think I was excited about my first snow for 10 minutes. After which I really hated it and dreaded it every time it snowed. :lol:

[pvttim]

para makakita ng SNOW!!!!

at makapag-snowboarding!! :lol:

[polsky]

In my case I'm already earning the same amount of money I would've earned in the US. The company allowed me to work from home here in PH since we didn't make it to the H1B quota this year and also last year. But still, I would really like to leave as soon as possible. Why?:

1. My teammates are considered the top people in the industry I'm in so I'll be learning a LOT
2. US citizen anak ko pag doon ipapanganak hehe :lol:
2. Anlaki ng tax dito kung saan saan lang naman napupunta :grrr:

Sana next year makalusot na H1 ko haaay.

[BeerhandBop]

you get to seckz with different races.

[jbla]

para makakita ng SNOW!!!!

ako din eto isa sa reason ko :)

[BeerhandBop]

^ alam mo yung sa freezer may mga parang shaved ice?

THAT"s WHAT SNOW IS.

there. i saved you the cost of a plane ticket.

[_SCUD_]

1.) MODERNITY - "High tech" Engineering equipment and gadgets.
2.) EQUALITY - They don't wanna be called Boss, Sir or Ma'am
3.) SECURITY - Free medical, dental, education plan, retirement plan, etc. for you and your family.
4.) TRANSPARENCY - You know where your taxes are going
5.) CULTURAL DIVERSITY - Work with different people (mga Mexicans na di marunong mag-ingles, mga British na hindi maintindihan ang accent at mga Chinese na bulol)

At siyempre yung Citizenship!

[tiedomi]

From my personal experience, mas okay magtrabaho sa abroad, lalo na sa North America for the following reasons:

1. Hindi uso tawagin ang boss mo ng "Sir", "Ma'm", "Tita", "Kuya" or "Ate".

2. Your boss will encourage you to take a week-long vacation once in a while. Di tulad sa Pinas na mamasamain pa ng mga boss at colleagues mo kapag nagbakasyon ka ng isang linggo.

3. Mas konti ang tsismisan, backstabbing at talangka mentality sa trabaho.

4. Kapag newly-promoted ka or birthday mo or last day mo sa office, your officemates won't ask you to take them out for lunch at ililibre mo sila -- napansin ko kasi when I worked with fellow Filipinos parati ka nilang sinasabihan na "manlibre ka naman" kapag na-promote ka or may special occasion.

5. Christmas parties are simple. Sa Pinas kasi ang daming ek-ek, kailangan may presentation (example: for each department sa opisina dapat may presentation sila like a dance routine or drama skit). Tapos ang nakakainis may kris-kringle pa, yung tipong halos lahat ng tao sa opisina mo dapat bibigyan mo ng regalo.

6. Walang pakialaman sa trabaho. For example, I noticed na mga Pinoys mahilig mag-compare ng sweldo. I got so pissed off in my previous job dahil tinatanong ba naman ng pilipino kong co-worker kung magkano sweldo ko. Anong paki nila !!???!#@!#!

7. Sa ibang bansa okay maki-pag-interact with other cultures and other races. Dito sa North America I enjoy having chats with my foreign co-workers about interesting and intelligent topics like technology, politics, business and economy. I am dismayed when I see fellow Filipino co-workers talking about kabobohan like -- new cellphones, new cars, bars and clubs that they've been to.

[superbad]

para makita sa wakas ang statue of liberty, golden gate, niagara falls, at ang mahiwagang HOLLYWOOD sign!

[ЅUX2BÜ]

I am dismayed when I see fellow Filipino co-workers talking about kabobohan like -- new cellphones, new cars, bars and clubs that they've been to.

O kaya naman ay ang walang katapusang usapan tungkol sa dagok ng buhay sa Pinas.

:shrug:

[Tarbosh]

it's funny how some folks would get excited to work in the US or abroad for petty reasons. snow? fully understandable. but as some have commented already, 1) snow is nothing more than ice you see in your refrigerator or freezer; 2) when you experience winter like in chicago, you would wish you were never there at all. then you'd say to yourself "napaka swerte ng mga tao sa pilipinas at hindi ganito ang weather"

in the US, it's also nowhere close to the "happy times" in the philippines particularly during christmas season. christmas is practically DEAD (primarily because of the weather, if you're in a state with ridiculous winter temperature).

[faux_ph]

I accepted an overseas assignment as a career-decision and as a gift to my wife (part of incentive na madala pamilya) who had a lifelong dream to go to UK. peksman, di pera ang hinabol ko! Career-move, kasi I get to be trained to communicate with peers and clients in a multi-cultural setting and learn from their successful standard business practices and processes which could be adopted in the Philippines.

[more]

Working abroad is basically to better off yourself, your family because you are fortunate than others. But there are things that you have to sacrifice and material things sometimes way more than love, happiness,friendship, relatives, places,home, weather,etc. People think that because your are in different country,making buko money everythings okay sometimes it doesn't work that way. :D

[gelmarg]

I have been working abroad for the past 10 years, iba-ibang bansa, iba-ibang companies. I remember kaka-pasa ko palang ng CE board exam. noon when I first got a job offer to work abroad, after experiencing homesickness, culture shock & discrimination, sabi ko di na ako babalik sa abroad. I was wrong kasi mas-mahirap palang magtrabaho sa pilipinas, after 3 months of working sa isang multinational engineering co. sa makati I left due to the following reasons: very low salary, andaming boss, ma-traffic, crowded, daming tsismoso/tsismosa, tsaka may discrimination din. At present, dito ako sa UK nagwo-work as Structural Engineer.

[faux_ph]

I have been working abroad for the past 10 years, iba-ibang bansa, iba-ibang companies. I remember kaka-pasa ko palang ng CE board exam. noon when I first got a job offer to work abroad, after experiencing homesickness, culture shock & discrimination, sabi ko di na ako babalik sa abroad. I was wrong kasi mas-mahirap palang magtrabaho sa pilipinas, after 3 months of working sa isang multinational engineering co. sa makati I left due to the following reasons: very low salary, andaming boss, ma-traffic, crowded, daming tsismoso/tsismosa, tsaka may discrimination din. At present, dito ako sa UK nagwo-work as Structural Engineer.

saan ka? dito rin ako sa UK working as struc'l engr.:)

[raventina]

1) There are a lot of inefficiencies such as traffic, widespread corruption and rampant crime that come in living in Manila. In fact, one of the main reasons I am working abroad is because of kidnapping. It's just safer abroad.

2) The best thing about working abroad is your broad exposure to the rest of the world. For example, on a single day, I get to communicate with people working in Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, New York and London and not worry about long distance bills! I get to hear their stories and learn from them. It's quite humbling to work with people from various backgrounds who are way better than you are. You get to learn from them, which generally makes you a better person.

3) Being away from your family and living alone foster independence. You spread your wings and discover more on who you are, what you like and what you don't like. Sure, it may mean doing your own laundry and no yaya to prepare your baon, but it is liberating to live your life the way you want it. If you want to travel abroad, just pay for the ticket and go. If you want to buy something, you buy it. It's your money anyway. No need to ask mommy and daddy who will most likely nag you to death.

4) The variety of people you meet is unbelievable --- during my first year here, my best friends were Japanese. Now, my friends come from all over: Taiwanese, American, Swiss, Koreans, Cantonese, German, etc. Dealing with a diverse group of people improves your interpersonal skill and introduces possibilities. For example, I'm an avid wallclimber and tried out wakeboarding because of my American friends. My Austrian friend introduced me to the joys of wine tasting. I'm more familiar with Japanese traditions due to my former classmates.

[gelmarg]

saan ka? dito rin ako sa UK working as struc'l engr.:)

Hi faux_ph, dito ako sa Derby, UK. I like it here kasi di-gaanong crowded, malinis, friendly mga tao & maganda ang countryside. Ikaw ba saan ka dito sa UK?

[faux_ph]

sa london ako.

[g0d]

As someone who has worked in Canada for the past few years, I have to say the only reason to work abroad is the $$. But that's only if you choose to go back and spend it in the Philippines.

Otherwise, pareho lang naman. There are minor differences - but they are just that, differences. Not benefits.

And please, to see snow???

The hot, humid, dusty and sweaty weather in the Philippines is a 100 times better than the winter weather here in Canada. (Even with no snow)

From my personal experience, mas okay magtrabaho sa abroad, lalo na sa North America for the following reasons:

1. Hindi uso tawagin ang boss mo ng "Sir", "Ma'm", "Tita", "Kuya" or "Ate".

2. Your boss will encourage you to take a week-long vacation once in a while. Di tulad sa Pinas na mamasamain pa ng mga boss at colleagues mo kapag nagbakasyon ka ng isang linggo.

3. Mas konti ang tsismisan, backstabbing at talangka mentality sa trabaho.

4. Kapag newly-promoted ka or birthday mo or last day mo sa office, your officemates won't ask you to take them out for lunch at ililibre mo sila -- napansin ko kasi when I worked with fellow Filipinos parati ka nilang sinasabihan na "manlibre ka naman" kapag na-promote ka or may special occasion.

5. Christmas parties are simple. Sa Pinas kasi ang daming ek-ek, kailangan may presentation (example: for each department sa opisina dapat may presentation sila like a dance routine or drama skit). Tapos ang nakakainis may kris-kringle pa, yung tipong halos lahat ng tao sa opisina mo dapat bibigyan mo ng regalo.

6. Walang pakialaman sa trabaho. For example, I noticed na mga Pinoys mahilig mag-compare ng sweldo. I got so pissed off in my previous job dahil tinatanong ba naman ng pilipino kong co-worker kung magkano sweldo ko. Anong paki nila !!???!#@!#!

7. Sa ibang bansa okay maki-pag-interact with other cultures and other races. Dito sa North America I enjoy having chats with my foreign co-workers about interesting and intelligent topics like technology, politics, business and economy. I am dismayed when I see fellow Filipino co-workers talking about kabobohan like -- new cellphones, new cars, bars and clubs that they've been to.

Most of these are cultural - How can you claim, in no. 7 that you can inter-act with other races if you can't even stand Pinoy culture? How can calling your boss sir and ma'am even be detrimental to working in the Philippines? That is Filipino culture. It's like all the bowing in Japanese culture.

3. Don't you think this is because when working in North America offices are much more multi-cultural and are not as familiar as an office full of people of the same race? Or maybe your job is just not just competitive enough. Trust me, a very competitive white only office, will just have as much back-stabbing as any office in Manila.

4. Same as above. Don't you think they just don't know the Filipino culture? Again, if it was a white only office, it would happen too. And kung ayaw mo mag-libre, can't you say know? Actually, know that I think about it, most of the mag-libre ka naman comments I've received while working in the Philippines were mostly said in jest.

5. Again, these is dependent on the company you work for. And again, this is cultural too. Some people even refuse to take Christmas off - due to religious reasons daw. So maybe the fact that the Catholic Church has a stranglehold on the Philippines has something to do with it? It's cultural.

My company in Canada has elaborate Halloween and Christmas parties where everyone dresses up and schmoozes with clients and other departments. The Champagne is rolling, food is everywhere, simply to impress clients and to keep all the lowly paid grunts believing that they might actually have a future in the company. How shallow is that? We go out on stupid outings, seminars daw, simply do go and spend company money on food and drink on stuff we could easily accomplish in a boardroom. I never experienced this in the Philippines. What I had was a big dinner paid for by the company, and people genuinely enjoyed themselves.

6. Oh come on, again, thats probably because you're simply not as close with your other co-workers. When I got a new position, the very first people who asked me what my salary was were not Filipino's. And that was because they were my closest friends. There were other Pinoy's in the company, yet I knew them only in passing, I wonder why they didn't ask me?

7. What's wrong with that? If you ask me, political talk is very shallow too. Oh and look at the above. Maybe you're just saying you can interact with all other cultures, but you just hate Filipino culture?

And even some of the posts here, please.

Security? Pati naman sa Pilipinas may benefits ang mga kompanya eh. Maybe you just weren't good enough to get a good job in the Philippines.

Transparency? Pati naman dito sa abroad alam ko kung saan
pumupunta ang taxes ko eh. Sa bulsa rin ng mga politicians. Please, politicians are corrupt wherever they may be.

Citizenship? Hindi ka ba Philippine Citizen habang nasa Pilipinas? What does that have to do with anything.

Independence? Please. Let go of your mommies apron strings. They already put you through school, and it's only abroad that you have the courage to be independent? My girlfriend comes from a family that makes less than PhP50K a year and she put herself through school and works for a top research firm in Makati. And some of you guys have to go abroad to be independent?

That's the end of my rant.

But I do have to ask, bakit tayong mga Pinoy, why is it that when we go abroad we start seeing all the positives yet somehow gloss over all the negatives?

Yet while we are back in the Philippines, all we see are the negatives yet we fail to see all the positives?

As a Pinoy expat, I really do have to say, having lived and worked abroad for the past few years - that what you feel working abroad, is pretty much what an American or a foreigner will feel while working in the Philippines. The difference is, most foreigners don't hate their own culture.

[vince 15]

seeing is one thing, but experiencing winter.... ehh.. you'd hope you were not anywhere near snow ever again.


I totally agree... especially when you have to shovel the driveway every time it snows. :grrr:

As for my main reason:

Stagnant [plug name of industry here] industry in the Philippines

[pvttim]

It's understandable why people would love to see snow even if you have enumerated the reasons why not to. Simply because we don't have it here in the Philippines. It's just the same thing as wanting to see the Chocolate Hills if you were in Bohol. Right? And I don't think most of us have the means to take vacation abroad just to see snow.

Maybe all they're after is the 10 min excitement experienced by IceBurn even if after that they'd be cursing the high heavens just like some of you here did. It's part of the ride. And really, nothing beats seeing it right before your eyes as the first drop of snow fall on your hands and minutes after turn your whole surrounding into shimmering white.

Another one, when someone tells him he wants to see snow, at least he can now blurt out with total disgust "You don't wanna experience it". :glee:

And btw, to the very serious folks here, should our reasons always have to be profound to elicit ooohhhs and aahhhs amongst us? Can we "chill out" once in a while?

For me, it's still snowboarding!!!! :rocker:

[pvttim]

:rocker: :D

[manok00]

Philippine Politics

[zero_shiki]

>>>to know other culture and to have a new environment...

[bluecross]

As someone who has worked in Canada for the past few years, I have to say the only reason to work abroad is the $$. But that's only if you choose to go back and spend it in the Philippines.

Otherwise, pareho lang naman. There are minor differences - but they are just that, differences. Not benefits.

And please, to see snow???

The hot, humid, dusty and sweaty weather in the Philippines is a 100 times better than the winter weather here in Canada. (Even with no snow)



Most of these are cultural - How can you claim, in no. 7 that you can inter-act with other races if you can't even stand Pinoy culture? How can calling your boss sir and ma'am even be detrimental to working in the Philippines? That is Filipino culture. It's like all the bowing in Japanese culture.

3. Don't you think this is because when working in North America offices are much more multi-cultural and are not as familiar as an office full of people of the same race? Or maybe your job is just not just competitive enough. Trust me, a very competitive white only office, will just have as much back-stabbing as any office in Manila.

4. Same as above. Don't you think they just don't know the Filipino culture? Again, if it was a white only office, it would happen too. And kung ayaw mo mag-libre, can't you say know? Actually, know that I think about it, most of the mag-libre ka naman comments I've received while working in the Philippines were mostly said in jest.

5. Again, these is dependent on the company you work for. And again, this is cultural too. Some people even refuse to take Christmas off - due to religious reasons daw. So maybe the fact that the Catholic Church has a stranglehold on the Philippines has something to do with it? It's cultural.

My company in Canada has elaborate Halloween and Christmas parties where everyone dresses up and schmoozes with clients and other departments. The Champagne is rolling, food is everywhere, simply to impress clients and to keep all the lowly paid grunts believing that they might actually have a future in the company. How shallow is that? We go out on stupid outings, seminars daw, simply do go and spend company money on food and drink on stuff we could easily accomplish in a boardroom. I never experienced this in the Philippines. What I had was a big dinner paid for by the company, and people genuinely enjoyed themselves.

6. Oh come on, again, thats probably because you're simply not as close with your other co-workers. When I got a new position, the very first people who asked me what my salary was were not Filipino's. And that was because they were my closest friends. There were other Pinoy's in the company, yet I knew them only in passing, I wonder why they didn't ask me?

7. What's wrong with that? If you ask me, political talk is very shallow too. Oh and look at the above. Maybe you're just saying you can interact with all other cultures, but you just hate Filipino culture?

And even some of the posts here, please.

Security? Pati naman sa Pilipinas may benefits ang mga kompanya eh. Maybe you just weren't good enough to get a good job in the Philippines.

Transparency? Pati naman dito sa abroad alam ko kung saan
pumupunta ang taxes ko eh. Sa bulsa rin ng mga politicians. Please, politicians are corrupt wherever they may be.

Citizenship? Hindi ka ba Philippine Citizen habang nasa Pilipinas? What does that have to do with anything.

Independence? Please. Let go of your mommies apron strings. They already put you through school, and it's only abroad that you have the courage to be independent? My girlfriend comes from a family that makes less than PhP50K a year and she put herself through school and works for a top research firm in Makati. And some of you guys have to go abroad to be independent?

That's the end of my rant.

But I do have to ask, bakit tayong mga Pinoy, why is it that when we go abroad we start seeing all the positives yet somehow gloss over all the negatives?

Yet while we are back in the Philippines, all we see are the negatives yet we fail to see all the positives?

As a Pinoy expat, I really do have to say, having lived and worked abroad for the past few years - that what you feel working abroad, is pretty much what an American or a foreigner will feel while working in the Philippines. The difference is, most foreigners don't hate their own culture.

*okay*

Colonial mentality pa rin ang mga Pinoy, sad to say. Marami pa ring mga little brown Americans dito (di ko sinasabing lahat!!) :D

[ironwill20]

seeing is one thing, but experiencing winter.... ehh.. you'd hope you were not anywhere near snow ever again.

ako din eto isa sa reason ko :)

Pangatlong winter ko na dito sa Chicago...ayoko na umapat pa.. lilipat na ako sa California (sana), wala snow dun... winter makes things more depressing....

[more]

Pangatlong winter ko na dito sa Chicago...ayoko na umapat pa.. lilipat na ako sa California (sana), wala snow dun... winter makes things more depressing....

Move to Orange county or San Diego county, you can try between L.A. county and Orange somewhere around Long Beach...it's pretty close to everything..