Official Teleperformance Labor Union

[@ScorpionKing@]

Hey guys, I just wanted to "let you in" on an article I've read recently about this Labor Union hatched by Teleperformance employees in TP-Edsa. They have their own website. Check it out! -> http://tpwatchers.tk/

news source: techgoss.com (http://techgoss.com/fullstory.aspx?storyid=c611714371040808040808%206:32:14%20AMS12103)

[Milliardo]

IMO labour unions inside call centers would be a bad precedent; such labour unions would sooner or later be infiltrated by leftist elements, and that would start the fall of the BPO industry here in the Philippines. Many companies that closed shop can be traced to the unrealistic demands of such leftist-controlled unions, whose only real goal is to destroy the Philippine economy so that Communist groups can grab power. Has anyone wondered why these unions and so-called special interest groups don't give any solution but continually gripe?

[superbad]

Read this blog (http://marketingmanila.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/will-there-still-be-sunshine-tomorrow/)...

Excerpt:

WILL THERE STILL BE SUNSHINE TOMORROW?

The Philippines used to be investor-friendly having one of the most affordable high-quality labor in the world whole of Southeast Asia. Unfortunately, due to the usual catalysts such as our weird sense of democracy, globalization westernization, and the omnipresent Kilusang Mayo Uno (not that I hate them), our country and its work force is no longer considered as best buy by the likes of Intel, IBM, and soon enough, all of P&G.

[d observer]

IMO labour unions inside call centers would be a bad precedent; such labour unions would sooner or later be infiltrated by leftist elements, and that would start the fall of the BPO industry here in the Philippines. Many companies that closed shop can be traced to the unrealistic demands of such leftist-controlled unions, whose only real goal is to destroy the Philippine economy so that Communist groups can grab power. Has anyone wondered why these unions and so-called special interest groups don't give any solution but continually gripe?--Yes,we already wondered that more than a decade ago, its part of globalization- Check what this process means. It has been predetermined before these bpo's saturated the country.During the ramos presidency he travelled a lot to invite foreign investors and what were his offers then: cheap, docile & flexible labor. Thus the beginning of downsizing,eradication of unions,displacement of workers , the creation of union-free zones Those were the days that companies who had strong unions hired hrd vp's who are famous union busters and dissolved job positions and eventually the unions and still continues. Before a Union enters CBA nego, it knows that their proposal and demands are valid and legitimate because research es had been done. Union will get a company's financial statement from SEC and will contact a reseach institute. That will be the time the Union determines the rate of exploitation from the surplus value. In a company's financial statement workers are labeled variable capital while equipment essential to run an enterprise is called constant capital.See how a CBA painstakingly works.Its not a leftist-infilatreated element and whenthey not come into terms thats how a strike is being staged. Have you experienced working in a unionized company? Union roots came from industrialized countries-particularly from UK and the latter is not a a leftist state in fact,its constitutional monarchy. And please, review philippine history -the GOMBURZA Bigotry boiled down from workers exploitation during the spanish conquest that led to countless revolution.*okay*

[Milliardo]

I understand your sentiments regarding unions, but here in the Philippines it cannot be denied that left-leaning elements have infiltrated unions, or else made themselves their own unions. Looking after workers' welfare is nice--it is actually the goal of a union to look and uphold workers' rights. But it becomes a travesty and a mockery of those goals when these left-leaning elements use the unions to bring down a company, much less a whole industry. What has become of these workers who lost their jobs, no thanks to their unions who closed down the companies they work in? Where are their leaders? More than once we hear of stories where the unions bosses simply disappeared after a labour strike in a company, with that strike turning into a protracted one while the very workers they purport to represent languish on, naively hoping they'll finally get what they're asking for. Too bad though--the companies they work in either moved to another location, or else totally moved out of the country. And they still are left hoping to get something. It becomes nothing more than a pipe dream, and these left-leaning elements will hop to the next union, with the same faces and the same leaders, inciting workers in another company with their empty promises. Promises that will never come, either from them or from the company. Clean your ranks first of these left-leaning elements, then we can talk of union. But as long as these elements are within the unions, then I cannot support nor join such things, as I've seen how these left-leaning elements have gradually destroyed our economy with their useless propaganda and empty promises.

[d observer]

I understand your sentiments regarding unions, but here in the Philippines it cannot be denied that left-leaning elements have infiltrated unions, or else made themselves their own unions. Looking after workers' welfare is nice--it is actually the goal of a union to look and uphold workers' rights. But it becomes a travesty and a mockery of those goals when these left-leaning elements use the unions to bring down a company, much less a whole industry. What has become of these workers who lost their jobs, no thanks to their unions who closed down the companies they work in? Where are their leaders? More than once we hear of stories where the unions bosses simply disappeared after a labour strike in a company, with that strike turning into a protracted one while the very workers they purport to represent languish on, naively hoping they'll finally get what they're asking for. Too bad though--the companies they work in either moved to another location, or else totally moved out of the country. And they still are left hoping to get something. It becomes nothing more than a pipe dream, and these left-leaning elements will hop to the next union, with the same faces and the same leaders, inciting workers in another company with their empty promises. Promises that will never come, either from them or from the company. Clean your ranks first of these left-leaning elements, then we can talk of union. But as long as these elements are within the unions, then I cannot support nor join such things, as I've seen how these left-leaning elements have gradually destroyed our economy with their useless propaganda and empty promises.--In our Union, we were never infiltrated by left leaning elements-as what you branded it. I may say blame it to the Union general membership coz they elected wrong set of officers who never checked if these officers were capable of. They were lawyer dependent. You see, there are so many factors why a Union is being dissolved. In our case, the officers never noticed that our company made it a point that our last CBA will be the last CBA the company will be negotiating.Because the company had the darkest plan. They also changed the name of the company-that is called spin off. It is also similar to moving the enterprise to a different location. What happened, officers never noticed they were pushed to their limits so that they will stage a strike. Plus having a lawyer then that they never what the background was only to find out later on by these officers that the lawyer they hired is famous for selling his clients, too late for them to find out. It's not more on cleaning the ranks , its more of personality and background check.And the reason why it is protracted is because of the inabilty to follow the procedure on how to backlog these voluminous labor disputes.

[Milliardo]

It's good if your union is not infiltrated yet, though more likely than not it will happen very soon. Few unions here in our country aren't still with such elements in them. And membership? Try blocking these people's membership and see what happens. I would still say clear your ranks of these elements, since that will cure most of the woes unions are in now. Unfortunately for most unions, you can never get these people off since they have various ways of retaliating. I think it's too late for many unions here in our country to clear their ranks of these elements, so entrenched are they inside unions.

[SeraphicVision]

you guys at teleperformance labor union, good luck. we are watching you carefully. your success would herald a new dawn in the industry.

[d observer]

It's good if your union is not infiltrated yet, though more likely than not it will happen very soon. Few unions here in our country aren't still with such elements in them. And membership? Try blocking these people's membership and see what happens. I would still say clear your ranks of these elements, since that will cure most of the woes unions are in now. Unfortunately for most unions, you can never get these people off since they have various ways of retaliating. I think it's too late for many unions here in our country to clear their ranks of these elements, so entrenched are they inside unions.
-- you can't just block union membership especially if you are a closed shop type of union the one we had if the job is a rank and file position and a part of bargaining unit whether you like it not upon regularization you will be a union member. you cannot clear your rank and block a member on the part of union its discrimination and on the part of management, its a clear manifestation of union busting -that falls on coercion of membership. You will be caught due to technicalities.and it can be a labor disputes that require grievance machinery. Its so hard to live by intuition, you have to experience it though it maybe your opinion .to have a good or judgement , experience is the best way to conclude on certain issues.

[d observer]

you guys at teleperformance labor union, good luck. we are watching you carefully. your success would herald a new dawn in the industry.
-- i agree, i congratulate you for having the guts, i dont know guys how you did it and we are watching you. you set a precedence . but you should not stop there keep on empowering yourselves , equip your yourselves with knowledge by education and union seminars & trainings. check the best labor centers that can give you better education . although unsolicited , solidify your rank and line. more power and long live your union!

[Milliardo]

-- you can't just block union membership especially if you are a closed shop type of union the one we had if the job is a rank and file position and a part of bargaining unit whether you like it not upon regularization you will be a union member. you cannot clear your rank and block a member on the part of union its discrimination and on the part of management, its a clear manifestation of union busting -that falls on coercion of membership. You will be caught due to technicalities.and it can be a labor disputes that require grievance machinery. Its so hard to live by intuition, you have to experience it though it maybe your opinion .to have a good or judgement , experience is the best way to conclude on certain issues.

Thus I said that it's too late for our unions here to clear itself of its ranks of these leftist elements--they've entrenched themselves inside the unions, and they made sure they can't just be expelled from the unions, using as a cloak that term, union busting. So our unions here are doomed to being used by these leftist elements for whatever agenda they have, and the unions will naively think they're working for the rights and benefits of the employees--until they realize too late that these elements have used them, they have been locked out of the companies they work in, and the industry they are in, in general have fallen apart. And so we are doomed by the unions. Until such time that you can purge yourselves of these elements, have the guts to admit to yourselves that you've been infiltrated by such elements, and do something about it, you will think that you are doing workers a favour, but in reality you are only sentencing them to a life of false promises and frustration, never to have them fulfilled while these leftist elements blithely go on to the next union--the same faces, the same leaders, the same problems, and the same outcome. And when we as a nation finally fall apart, the first to be blamed are these same unions with their false promises and bitter frustrations. Again, I am sorry but I cannot agree to such things. Unions in theory have been created for the rights and protection of the workers, and that should be the only thing that should drive them. However, the unions now have become tools for the political advancement of leftist ideologists, under the guise of protecting the rights of the workers. Again, where are the workers now? Many of those laid off are either jobless or have gone abroad. Where is the protection there? There is simply none. Yet workers still naively go to these unions in the hope of being protected, when these same unions prey only on their fears. Again, I cannot agree on that. Far from empowerment, as you allege, the worker is depowered, cast aside after being used. The union leaders disappear after a protracted labour dispute, never to be seen again, or if they are seen they are in another union in another company, shouting the same tired platitudes that have no real value and no real meaning. This is, I am sorry to say, the situation we are in now. And the naive perception you foist here, whether you sincerely believe it or is simply propaganda, does not change that situation. It is sad that you encourage such false empowerment, and when all is said and done, another industry falls prey on the false promises of these unions. Once the leftist elements have made their in-road on an industry, that industry is doomed to fail, and the bright prospect of the BPO industry, long untouched by these elements, will be darkened because of them. We have seen the precedent; it is up to those in the industry whether they will allow themselves to fall to the same predicament that many have been into.

[d observer]

Thus I said that it's too late for our unions here to clear itself of its ranks of these leftist elements--they've entrenched themselves inside the unions, and they made sure they can't just be expelled from the unions, using as a cloak that term, union busting. So our unions here are doomed to being used by these leftist elements for whatever agenda they have, and the unions will naively think they're working for the rights and benefits of the employees--until they realize too late that these elements have used them, they have been locked out of the companies they work in, and the industry they are in, in general have fallen apart. And so we are doomed by the unions. Until such time that you can purge yourselves of these elements, have the guts to admit to yourselves that you've been infiltrated by such elements, and do something about it, you will think that you are doing workers a favour, but in reality you are only sentencing them to a life of false promises and fruration, never to have them fuloilled while these leftist elements blithely go on to the next union--the same faces, the same leaders, the same problems, and the same outcome. And when we as a nation finally fall apart, the first to be blamed are these same unions with their false promises and bitter frustrations. Again, I am sorry but I cannot agree to such things. Unions in theory have been created for the rights and protection of the workers, and that should be the only thing that should drive them. However, the unions now have become tools for the political advancement of leftist ideologists, under the guise of protecting the rights of the workers. Again, where are the workers now? Many of those laid off are either jobless or have gone abroad. Where is the protection there? There is simply none. Yet workers still naively go to these unions in the hope of being protected, when these same unions prey only on their fears. Again, I cannot agree on that. Far from empowerment, as you allege, the worker is depowered, cast aside after being used. The union leaders disappear after a protracted labour dispute, never to be seen again, or if they are seen they are in another union in another company, shouting the same tired platitudes that have no real value and no real meaning. This is, I am sorry to say, the situation we are in now. And the naive perception you foist here, whether you sincerely believe it or is simply propaganda, does not change that situation. It is sad that you encourage such false empowerment, and when all is said and done, another industry falls prey on the false promises of these unions. Once the leftist elements have made their in-road on an industry, that industry is doomed to fail, and the bright prospect of the BPO industry, long untouched by these elements, will be darkened because of them. We have seen the precedent; it is up to those in the industry whether they will allow themselves to fall to the same predicament that many have been into.

--What i understand first and foremost - you were saying clear the ranks first because there might be a leftist infiltration. its not that easy to infiltrate union as what you were claiming. Can you please give us idea how a leftist or leftists can infiltrate unions.If there is already an existing union? And how can we sense that this such employee is a leftist infiltrator or he could be in disguise of . If Unions are full of leftist infiltration that could undermine the political and economic stability of the country how come they are still in existence though there are only few of them. Union is neither a political persona per se that gives false promises nor favours to its members its a collective body and effort and has a bargaining unit the reason for organizing these people is for a common purpose better working conditions and salaries. Why Unions in the first place in perpetuates ,and why workers keep on organizing their lines - it is because of a continued exploitations in an enterprise. Why Unions are legal anyway because its very basic, it is also stipulated in constitution that we have the right to self-organization.Why there are legalized labor and trade union centers that advocate workers empowerment.As you were saying I allege. I am not alleging it i am not only expressing i am advocating it.Knowledge is the strongest weapon to keep a union strong. Do you know that the last sentence you read is a title of the book authored by ILO-International Labour Organization And it is not a false empowerment So what if they hop from one union to the other company shouting the same tired platitudes its because they are never get tired of it anyway it only shows a clear manifestation of perpetual exploitation in an enterprise. The current political and economic crisis we are having right now , blame it to our leaders.Not to these Unions who are struggling to improve the lives of their members.Blame it to these quasi-judicial bodies , courts why there are protracted disputes its about to backlog their files. I am just wondering if you are filipino or if you are holding a vp position.

[SeraphicVision]

just my 2 cents' worth - why is it that in the united states, everything seems to be unionized (even actors in hollywood), and yet it continues to be economically viable? here in the phils, we talk of union, and nay sayers begin to talk of the apocalypse of the call center industry. of course, we could always blame it to the communists, but isn't that a little bit simplistic? again, just my 2 cents' worth... peace.

[Milliardo]

just my 2 cents' worth - why is it that in the united states, everything seems to be unionized (even actors in hollywood), and yet it continues to be economically viable? here in the phils, we talk of union, and nay sayers begin to talk of the apocalypse of the call center industry. of course, we could always blame it to the communists, but isn't that a little bit simplistic? again, just my 2 cents' worth... peace.

We go back again to that premise of unions becoming tools of politics; in the U.S., unions work with management for a win-win situation. Here in the Philippines, thanks to leftist elements, unions work against management, the end result of which would either be mass lay-off or company closure. Unions here forget the bargaining part in CBA and go for the collection part (of course, this is tongue-in-cheek, in case our friend d observer reacts and doesn't get the allusion there). Unions here go to the bargaining table and make their unrealistic demands. Period. These demands aren't for the workers, but it's just to politicize the whole process. They use CBA as an excuse to air their political views, as well as to bring down an industry, and ultimately the economy. If these unions can expunge from their ranks these leftist elements, then workers will get what they really want instead of the false hopes and promises offered to them by these leftist elements.

[Milliardo]

--What i understand first and foremost - you were saying clear the ranks first because there might be a leftist infiltration. its not that easy to infiltrate union as what you were claiming. Can you please give us idea how a leftist or leftists can infiltrate unions.

This in itself is easy--they would field in their operatives to apply in one company, and stay there for a few weeks to months. These are what we call sleeper cells--it's used by terrorists as well as the left. Do you think they will upfront say they are from the left? Of course not; they will pose as ordinary workers. From there, once they're in, it would be easy to join any organization within the company. Now, I am not sure if you're simply naive or pulling my leg, but it should be easy even for you to figure how they infiltrate organizations by now.

If Unions are full of leftist infiltration that could undermine the political and economic stability of the country how come they are still in existence though there are only few of them.

Plain and simple--they need these unions for their agenda. Even if they're few, they can like a virus infect many with their ideology, which will sound appealing to the masses especially the working class--their favourite target. They will not discard the unions because it's their lifeblood in feeding people their agenda.

Union is neither a political persona per se that gives false promises nor favours to its members its a collective body and effort and has a bargaining unit the reason for organizing these people is for a common purpose better working conditions and salaries.

That should be the ideal; however, that is not the reality right now. Better working conditions? Better salary? How can workers have both when these leftist elements give unreasonable demands and force companies to either retrench or totally close down? Where are your better working conditions there? Where are your salaries? You neither have both, because the companies have closed and the workers are jobless. As I have said in my previous post, unions must work with management to give better working conditions and salaries to the workers. Unions aren't there to oppose management--this is one thing that the leftist elements try not to bring up. It's only when the union starts working with management, not opposing it, that workers will have better conditions, salaries and benefits. Again, seek a win-win situation for everyone.

Why Unions in the first place in perpetuates ,and why workers keep on organizing their lines - it is because of a continued exploitations in an enterprise.

Ah, see, there's the rub--you already made the assumption that unions are formed because management prey and exploit workers. While we cannot deny that there are such companies, this shouldn't be the driving force of a union. Remember that a union is an adjunct of management, believe it or not--both parties are there to seek the better treatment and conditions of workers. It would be detrimental to a business if it does not treat its workers right. The problem stems in the fact that management has its own idea how to go about things, and the workers also have their own ideas how to go about things. Unions should be the middleman, seeking a middle ground for these two parties. That's how a union should be.

So what if they hop from one union to the other company shouting the same tired platitudes its because they are never get tired of it anyway it only shows a clear manifestation of perpetual exploitation in an enterprise.

What you say shows your true colour and nature--no self-respecting union leader will hop from one industry to another, from one union to another, denouncing what he perceives to be ills done by management. This does not show any concern for the welfare of workers, but he is there to only advertise his own agenda and propaganda.

The current political and economic crisis we are having right now , blame it to our leaders.Not to these Unions who are struggling to improve the lives of their members.Blame it to these quasi-judicial bodies , courts why there are protracted disputes its about to backlog their files. I am just wondering if you are filipino or if you are holding a vp position.

Our situation right now is the fault of everyone, not just our leaders. Incidentally, your union leaders are also leaders in their own rights; therefore, as per your statement, we should blame them as well for the mess we're in now. As I have stated, take first these leftist elements out of your unions, then you will have real grounds for better wages and conditions. Protracted disputes? Such things can also be pinned on these leftist elements who are in the guise of union leaders, foot dragging the issue so that it gets muddled, and then blame the courts and management for such things when they're the ones who muddle the issue in the first place with their unrealistic demands. As for your wondering--this is not about me, so don't make it personal. I have not done that to you, so have the courtesy to stick to the issue and not go into something personal.

[SeraphicVision]

in the U.S., unions work with management for a win-win situation. Here in the Philippines, thanks to leftist elements, unions work against management, the end result of which would either be mass lay-off or company closure. .

sweeping generalizations. argumentum ad ignorantiam. verbose.
:confused:

[Milliardo]

sweeping generalizations. argumentum ad ignorantiam. verbose.
:confused:

It tends not to become a generalization once you realize what's actually happening out there.

[RetroManila]

sweeping generalizations. argumentum ad ignorantiam. verbose.
:confused:

I think so, too.

Ok, you guys go on ahead with your discussion. I'm here to just look at what TP's doing. *okay*

[d observer]

This in itself is easy--they would field in their operatives to apply in one company, and stay there for a few weeks to months. These are what we call sleeper cells--it's used by terrorists as well as the left. Do you think they will upfront say they are from the left? Of course not; they will pose as ordinary workers. From there, once they're in, it would be easy to join any organization within the company. Now, I am not sure if you're simply naive or pulling my leg, but it should be easy even for you to figure how they infiltrate organizations by now.



Plain and simple--they need these unions for their agenda. Even if they're few, they can like a virus infect many with their ideology, which will sound appealing to the masses especially the working class--their favourite target. They will not discard the unions because it's their lifeblood in feeding people their agenda.



That should be the ideal; however, that is not the reality right now. Better working conditions? Better salary? How can workers have both when these leftist elements give unreasonable demands and force companies to either retrench or totally close down? Where are your better working conditions there? Where are your salaries? You neither have both, because the companies have closed and the workers are jobless. As I have said in my previous post, unions must work with management to give better working conditions and salaries to the workers. Unions aren't there to oppose management--this is one thing that the leftist elements try not to bring up. It's only when the union starts working with management, not opposing it, that workers will have better conditions, salaries and benefits. Again, seek a win-win situation for everyone.



Ah, see, there's the rub--you already made the assumption that unions are formed because management prey and exploit workers. While we cannot deny that there are such companies, this shouldn't be the driving force of a union. Remember that a union is an adjunct of management, believe it or not--both parties are there to seek the better treatment and conditions of workers. It would be detrimental to a business if it does not treat its workers right. The problem stems in the fact that management has its own idea how to go about things, and the workers also have their own ideas how to go about things. Unions should be the middleman, seeking a middle ground for these two parties. That's how a union should be.



What you say shows your true colour and nature--no self-respecting union leader will hop from one industry to another, from one union to another, denouncing what he perceives to be ills done by management. This does not show any concern for the welfare of workers, but he is there to only advertise his own agenda and propaganda.



Our situation right now is the fault of everyone, not just our leaders. Incidentally, your union leaders are also leaders in their own rights; therefore, as per your statement, we should blame them as well for the mess we're in now. As I have stated, take first these leftist elements out of your unions, then you will have real grounds for better wages and conditions. Protracted disputes? Such things can also be pinned on these leftist elements who are in the guise of union leaders, foot dragging the issue so that it gets muddled, and then blame the courts and management for such things when they're the ones who muddle the issue in the first place with their unrealistic demands. As for your wondering--this is not about me, so don't make it personal. I have not done that to you, so have the courtesy to stick to the issue and not go into something personal.

--Alright, I wont argue with you anymore coz in the first place you can;t even validate your arguments. You keep on emphasizing leftist infiltration , but in reality you are the one infiltrating this forum by this imparting extreme paranoia and intuition of leftist infiltration. You have the right to your opinion so as with mine and for a decade of being a union educator i can unravel your camouflage and this not differs from what the unions coined term "pakawala ng management" and i am very quite aware and familiar with your caliber with the points of argument you raised that is very conclusive. and that what;s this teleperformance union leaders should be very keen to watch out for, [lease pay attention to this kind of disguise and for sure they will be roaming around. it is one of the pieces of advice i will be sharing with and believe me I'd been there. careful...watchful...ve vigilant.:rolleyes:

[BeerhandBop]

LoL best arguement against Unions:

"Where your Union NOW?"

remember in the 80s when there would be alot of WELGAs by factory workers?

ahhhh yeah.... Factories closed shop and the union members are now unemployed.

again, Where's your Union now?

[kobe8]

I agree with Millardo that most of the unions are infiltrated with leftist elements. I hope that we avoid being naive to what reality is currently showing. I've personally seen how these leftist elements have turned an ordinary union with benevolent intentions for the workers, to a political force out to execute their political agenda.

Let's admit to the reality that not only unions are being infiltrated by the left, but this would include schools, church and other institutions. Union is their favorite target since this is, according to them, the class that is at the apex of their triangle of workers, peasants and middle class.

They're adept in propaganda and will try to relate any issues, though mundane, to their cause and somehow connect it with worker's issues.

So i agree, let's be watchful, be vigilant to posers who espouses worker's rights. Oftentimes, they're no different from those faith healers who tries to cure sickness through some absurd means.

The best way to protect a worker's right is to perform and excell in our fields. after all, we're know considered knowledge workers. we don't need unions to tell us what we need.

[vladimir_archer]

any updates here?

[john nash]

bulok talaga tp. like in our case we were told that we didnt meet the clients metrics so we were pulled out from the account, and they told us this while were in duty. at least they shouldve given time or at least days before they termed us right, its like hey get out of there we dont need you anymore, dont log in............... grrrrrr

[eveRything]

wow may unyon na sa TP? sino may hawak nito?

[vpsec_ail]

ano na nagawa ng union ng tp since nabuo kayo? just curious, bawal ba ang labor union sa call center?

[SaintLuci]

Personally speaking, I don't believe in unions.

One of my friends said: "Ang hindi makaalis, magtiis. Ang hindi makatiis, umalis."

Joining a union would just mean you have no other alternatives, which also means to me you are not up to standards to survive in the competitive world of business.

Businesses are there to compete every single day. They need to because (partly) the careers of their employees (and the families that these careers feed) depend on how they succeed in the competition; and of course to make money, lot's of it. Additionally, companies are totalitarian institutions. There were never democratic.

So my advice:

1. If you don't like the "treament" but the treeatment is not against the labor code then get out.

2. If you don't like the "treatment" but the treament is against the labor code, get out and file a case with NLRC. It's about time we make these NLRC folks work for the taxes we pay for their salaries.

3. If you still think forming/joining a union is good idea, try putting up a new business and tell your employees to form a union. I am pretty sure it will change your view about unions.

[@ScorpionKing@]

Whatever happened to tpwatchers?