Pure Whey Protein

[Witty]

I just bought a kilo of "PURE WHEY PROTEIN" from a friend of mine. I just want to know how to serve whey protein. my friend told me to mix 2 spoon full of whey protein with 2 spoon full of MILO and some hot water. is that how you serve whey protein? my friend also told me not to mix the whey protein with those ready-to-drink tetra pack milk... baka mag-tae daw ako... is that true? kasi MILO, milk din yon eh... Doc, ano yung ideal way to serve protein? Btw, i would use the whey protein to gain muscle mass... so after workout ko yon iinumin.... and 1 last question.... dadami ba tigyawat (pimples) ko sa whey?! thanks!

[Ira]

I'm not sure how you serve whey protein, because we don't prescribe that in medicine--it's only given by proponents of alternative medicine. That's just a food supplement, and most people do not require extra protein like this. You will develop diarrhea if you have lactose intolerance or any form of dairy product allergy; otherwise, you won't. You won't develop pimples from it, either. As with protein in general, long-term, excessive intake may be associated with deteriorating kidney function and possibly osteoporosis. However, neither kidney nor bone problems have been directly associated with whey protein. There is still no evidence that whey improves athletic performance, no matter what your gym instructor or coach or your whey protein seller tells you. I'd advise you to just finish your bag of whey and save your money for something more worthwhile.

[leprix]

witty, saan ka bumili? magkano bili mo? yun lang ba offer ng friend mo? im looking for Diet Max--kaso mahal sa GNC--ano na effect sa yo ng whey protein? kwento ka naman--kailangan na lumabas ng abs ko for summer eh hehehe

[Bongsi]

Whey protein comes in two forms, isolates and concentrates. Isolates are much more expensive than concentrates. But isolates is pure protein while concentrates differ from 80-90% protein. All whey proteins comes in instantized form. They easily dissolve in cold water. If you bought the unflavored variety then u have to mix it with Milo or ovaltine. Do not mix whey with boiling water or it will coagulate. As for me I drink the GR8 Whey protein sold at http://www.ironpinoy.com website (575 pesos for 1/2 kilo - 500 gms). It is repackaged here by base6ix nutrition, the first Filipino supplement company. Details are in the website.

Whey protein is a great muscle builder since its bioavailability is more than 110% compared to whole egg. It is good taken 30 minutes to 1 hour after workout where your muscle is in negative nitrogen balance. Since it is pure protein you must drink lots of water so that your kidneys will not take the pressure. You will not develop pimples from it. But like any other supplements you must cycle your intake. It is also good for dieting. You can lose as much as a pound a day if u only take whey protein before you go to sleep and cut down on dinner.

[Don Herrington]

I believe Ira was quite clear when he said, "That's just a food supplement, and most people do not require extra protein like this." Even if you are a body builder you probably get enough protein. If you don't a can of tuna every day in water is more than enough supplement. Why would anyone want to waste their money on at a supplement store when God made so much good stuff called food? Who ever decided nature's best needed to be supplemented unless it was the supplement salesmen who make enourmous profits from things like whey, a waste product of sugar as I understand. Reference, William Duffy's classic "Sugar Blues," a great book explaining that refined sugar has a lot in common with other poisons.

Best regards,
Don

[JTruman]

Exercise Physiology is a science in itself, one which overlaps with Medicine. No one can appreciate the advancements in this field of study better than doctors.

But despite being able to give an educated commentary on the effects of training on athletic performance, or the differences between the nutritional requirments of triathletes, and weightlifters, they are not the experts on the subject. Years of treating patients does not equip a doctor with knowledge specific to the concerns of athletes professional or recreational).

On Whey Proteins

Whey proteins contain all the essential amino acids in the right amounts. This makes whey proteins unique. The World Health Organization ranks whey protein as having the highest PDCAAS score over all other types of proteins available today. (Yes, better than tuna, chicken, beef. Meaning you'd have to eat more of these types of protein for same amino acid yield.)

But (bovine) whey proteins go beyond providing essential amino acids. It is especially rich in the Branched-Chained Amino Acids which improves nitrogen retention (in other words, it creates a condition which spares muscle, and is suitable for muscle gain)--a particular concern among athletes.

A simple way to explain why whey proteins are so great is this: The WHEY proteins in bovine milk, is similar to the proteins in mothers' milk. It is for this reason whey proteins are added to the more advanced infant formulas.

Other minor proteins in whey, like Lactoferrin and Lactoperoxidase have been studied closely for possible clinical benefits: cancer prevention, immune system support, pre-biotic, iron-metabolism, calcium co-enzyme, antiseptic, anti-oxidant, and so on. (Lactoferrin is already a standard ingredient in infant formulas in Japan, a world leader in Milk protein research.)

..to be continued if anybody is interested...

[Don Herrington]

Dear Doc Ira,

Thanks for putting me straight on Whey. I was totally misimformed. My knowledge of medicine is lay, not professional. The thing I read are just not true and were written by lay people, I guess. Yes, I would like to hear more about Whey. Will whey build muscle without exercise, or it resistance exercise that does the trick? Would you say it is the best supplement and worth takeing for one trying to build big muscles?

Thank you for your valuable time and efforte to educate those like me who need it.

Best always,
Don

[Bongsi]

Wow, I never thought this topic would go this far. Anyway, I would like to make comments on ALL of this. As far as this quote is concerned and I quote "supplement salesmen who make enourmous profits from things like whey, a waste product of sugar as I understand" is totally ignorant of the things around him. Would you believe it would cost you 4x and sometimes 10X as much to buy a branded vitamin C than the generic vitamin C. And chemically speaking its the same but money wise drug companies are cashing in on ignorance as what Flavier have pointed out years ago.

I am a bodybuilder. I have to eat around a kilo of tuna a day to get about a gram or two of proteins (amino acids) i need to recuperate and build muscles - efficiently. Which can place a big demand on my system as well. Also you have to consider the genetics of the person. There is far more less people who are blessed with very good genetics where when they eat "real" food and get the nutrients and utilize it efficiently.

As the word implies, supplements, are just an add on. Its not there to replace but to ADD which you cannot get otherwise. Its how much your body can get and absorb is the question here about whey. I am a lay person but I read a wide variety of topics to satisfy my own questions.

As to building muscles, there is no 1 way of doing it. Bodybuilding or if i can put it - muscle building - is NOT only concerned with diet and or training. You have to know consistency, proper form, plus lots more. That is why I set-up Ironpinoy.com its for Filipinos who would want something more tangible information. You must study it for yourself on what is good or not. Doctors on the other hand will not endorse anything that they themselves have not studied. Its really up to them - its professional ethics and I respect them for that. But i know a lot of doctors being paid by drug companies to sell their brands and these doctors know that there are GENERICS that costs a lot less. So biased information is around you and its up to you to make your educated findings.

As to my standpoint to supplement companies, its the same with drug companies the difference is that there are no generic brands. They will make hype and its up to the consumer to see if its worth it. There are guidelines whether Brand A supplement is better than Brand B or C or D and so on. As a consumer you must know this. Its like buying FOOD but in concentrated form.

..to be continued if anybody is interested, join in the yahoogroups of http://www.ironpinoy.com or in the message boards.

[Don Herrington]

Dear Bongsi and others,

You are right, Bongsi. I was reading the wrong stuff. You are correct abuot vitamine C too. I hope you forgive me for my total ignorance because I am going to become a customer of IRON MAN. So maybe I have a piece of brain left.:) I appreciate it when someome does what you have done: sell quality products that work at reasonable prices. So many don't.

And JTruman, please forgive me for thanking Doc Ira instead of you. Both of you are so know so much that it is hard to tell the difference.

Thank you all for educating me.

Best regards,
Don

[Don Herrington]

Sorry again Bongsi, I meant IRONPINOY!

Best always,
Don

[Ira]

Originally posted by Don Herrington
Yes, I would like to hear more about Whey. Will whey build muscle without exercise, or it resistance exercise that does the trick? Would you say it is the best supplement and worth takeing for one trying to build big muscles?

Thank you for your valuable time and efforte to educate those like me who need it.

Best always,
Don

Protein, which is broken down into simple amino acids, doesn't have a storage form in the body--excess amino acid gets converted into fat. So no matter how much protein you're taking, if you don't exercise and use up this "fuel", then it would be useless. I wouldn't really say that whey protein is the best supplement, because medical research isn't still really hot on this idea yet.

[JTruman]

I concur with Ira: excess protein (a calorie source), if not used will be stored as fat.

But the intense weight training creates the necessary stimuli to prompt the body to assimilate amino acids derived from diet.

But what would be the proper amount of protein? Here is a hot area of debate between Doctors and Sports Nutritionists.

Doctors would tend to be conservative, citing possible renal stress (as Ira has), or the lack of scientific evidence that show the body can assimilate so much protein at any one time.

True: I would not recommend a high protein diet (twice or more the daily requirement) to anyone suffering from any renal dysfunction, or even diabetes. Excess protein will stress the kidneys.

As far as scientific evidence, there are many peer-reviewed scientific research that relate muscle-weight gain with an increased intake of protein (not necessarily whey) in combination with anaerobic resistance training. The levels of protein tested, is anywhere from 3 times to 5 times the conventional recommended dietary allowance.

I need to point out that these studies were conducted with the specialized needs of athletes in mind, and not the general population.

Of the top of my head I cannot site a study on whey protein itself, but there are several papers on the possitive effects of Branched-Chained Amino Acids (BCAAs)on athletic performance. The benefit range from decreased perception of exersion for marathon runners, to increased nitrogen retention for resistance trained athletes.

Whey Protein is particularly rich in BCAAs, thus its importance to athletes. It is more econimical to consume whey protein powders, that say, downing several BCAA enriched amino acid tablets--which incidentally only partially absorbs.

Like what Bongsi said, you may choose to get your BCAAs from Tuna, but you'll have to eat more, to yeild the same. That unduly makes your kidneys work harder.

Whey protein is very easily digested and absorbed. It contributes the necessary nutrients for muscle gain. And with market prices coming down, it may even be economical.

Personally, I eat 6 small balanced meals throughout the day, and whey protein powders have proven very convenient.

Bongsi, how much is the whey protein in your site?

[Bongsi]

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