contract with bonds

[sassychiq`]

i have a friend who signed a contract with bond. ang kwento niya sakin, meron daw silang training pero di daw sila nag-train. instead, pinawork siya ng pinawork. hindi ito call center. almost 4 months din siya nag-work don. ang nangyari, nag-awol siya. kasi hindi na talaga niya kaya yung pressure. so.. ngayon, sinulatan siya ng company at pinapapunta siya don para mag-explain. ang sabi niya sakin, gusto niya magreply don sa letter at magreason. or magresign na lang pero hindi niya babanggitin yung tungkol sa bond. sabi ko, wag na lang kasi they might use it as an evidence to her that she didnt follow the contract.

ano kaya pwede niyang gawin? disregard na lang yung letter? kasi natatakot siya na baka idemanda siya ng company. ang bata bata pa kasi niya. 21 years old pa lang and fresh graduate. ano kaya maganda niyang pwedeng gawin?

thanks sa mga magrereply.

[sassychiq`]

please reply. need your opinion. thanks

[.::guapito::.]

^ilang years yung bond nya? can you PM the company?

[sassychiq`]

actually, 6 months lang ang bond niya. cash bond is 50k. almost 4 months na siya nagwork don pero di na talaga niya nakayanan. kaya umalis siya at nag-awol. pinadadalhan siya ng letter nung company. sobrang natatakot na nga siya kasi madami pa daw siyang pangarap. meron daw siyang kasama na nag-awol din. yon naman, 2 months lang ang tinagal at umalis na din. pinadadalhan din daw siya ng letter, actually, twice na pero disregard lang nung kasama niya. medyo bothered and disturbed na rin siya sa nangyari sa kanya. alam pa naman yung dalawang address niya. ang point kasi niya kaya siya umalis kasi hindi naman daw sila tumupad sa usapan. sabi may training pero halos hindi naman daw sila nagtraining and puro work daw pinagawa sa kanila. kaya siya umalis don..

[FHER2007]

makikita naman sa Time in Time out nya (me copy ba sya?) na pumasok sya eh so wala evidence yung company na nag pa training sila. teka internal training ba o external?

[sassychiq`]

ang alam ko, internal training. sa loob lang ng company. hindi naman international yung training kasi nagtitipid din yung company.

[manok00]

Ano klaseng training nila? natuloy ba ang training o parang tinuturuan lang kung ano ang trabaho at sa kanila training na yun.

Standard sa mga company trainings ay may attendance o training completion, kung wala pwede mo rin sabihin na wala naman evidence na may training so di applicable ang bond kahit pumirma ka pa.

[sassychiq`]

classroom type ang alam ko na sinasabi niya. pero 4 or 5 sessions lang daw yon, tapos hindi pa daw maayos ang training nila. wala naman ata silang attendance na ginagawa. ang pagkakwento niya lang sakin e imbis na managerial position ang ginagawa niya, pang clerk ang trabaho niya. ang point niya kasi, pinagagawa sila ng feasibility study pero yung ginagawa nila sa office e hindi naman applicable sa FS nila. nagshed na rin siya ng problems niya sa hr and sa boss niya, sabi gagawan daw ng paraan pero hindi naman gumawa ng action. sabi niya, nagsawa na daw siya. basta pagkagising niya, ayaw na niya magtrabaho at nagdecide na hindi na pumasok sa office.

ano kaya pwede niyang gawin kasi nagpadala na ng letter yung company at pinagrereport siya. ang sabi ko sa kanya, disregard na niya since wala naman na sila magagawa kasi umalis na siya.

[Paolo_]

up for this thread. i have the same problem and i dont know what to do as well.. thanks

[Hulk]

Let me take the employer's view:

I can't understand why someone would go AWOL. Why not simply finish the contract? Two months is not too long to endure, unless there is mental stress brought upon by personality conflicts. Pero kung mahirap lang talaga yung work, young people should learn to honor their commitments and stop giving up when the going gets tough.

[sassychiq`]

well, ang sabi niya kasi sakin, parang nakakatrauma yung ginawa nila sa kanya. papagawin siya ng mga bagay na hindi naman tinuro sa kanya. ang sa kanya naman kasi, siya sumunod siya sa usapan na magwowork siya, pero sila, hindi naman daw. dahil sabi, may training. pero hindi naman sila nagtraining or what. for me, kahit sino naman magsasawa. hindi naman magkakaganyan ang empleyado kung walang mali. i know her. mahaba ang pasensya niya. pero hindi na talaga niya nakayanan. pati sa pagtulog niya, napapanaginipan niya pa rin yung trabaho niya. which is not good anymore. madami na din empleyado na umalis sa company na yon kasi panget nga ang pamamalakad nila. nasa kanya din ang mali dahil nag-awol siya. pero hindi ko naman siya masisisi dahil mukha naman talagang nahihirapan na siya. at saka nangyari na. nandyan na yan. kaya nagtatanong sana ako kung ano ang pwede niyang gawin.

thanks.

[dogi]

Ang pwedeng gawin nya ay mag resign ng maayos pag report nya. Hindi solusyon ang pag AWOL.

[Emongski]

@ sassychiq`:

nakalagay ba sa contract kung ilang days/weeks sila ite-train ng company ng friend mo? saang department ba sya nagwork dyan sa company nya (IT, accounting, engineering...?) kasi kung minsan, IT companies shall only train their new employees for just about a week.

kung sinabi sa contract that the training should be intensive and it should last for more that just a week (or maybe a month or so), wala ngang isang salita ang company na yun and your friend has a valid reason to become upset about it.

kailangan balik-tanawan nya yung contract nya at tignan nya kung may nilabag din yung company tungkol sa contract na yun.

in my opinion, kung yung training nya is maikli at hindi sang-ayon sa job contract nya, at very toxic yung working environment nila dahil sa mga "mahihinang" managers and bosses nya na walang ginawa kundi magpagawa lang ng kung-anu-anong FS sa kanya imbes na gumawa ng paraan to make her stay as a happy employee there, hind basta basta makakapaghabol yung company na yun nang dahil sa bond kasi meron din naman silang nilabag sa contract:

"ART. 31. Bonds. - All applicants for license or authority shall post such cash and surety bonds as determined by the Secretary of Labor to guarantee compliance with prescribed recruitment procedures, rules and regulations, and terms and conditions of employment as may be appropriate."
- Labor Code of the Philippines PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 442, AS AMENDED.
-> http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/images/news/microsites/PinoyGlobal/laborcode03.htm

kung sa contract nya is may training bond, at saklaw parin sya ng training bond na yun, both of you should see this:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/images/news/microsites/PinoyGlobal/laborcode05.htm


in other words, hindi pwede magsampa ng penalty ang isang company sa isang trainee kung hanggang sa ngayon is trainee palang sya dahil there's no such thing as " training bonds" mentioned in that webpage.

some people who i came to talk to long ago just went awol after getting bored in their respective jobs and just ignored the "love letters" their company sent to their respective mailboxes. so far, no cops and no prosecution attorneys coming to their homes, whatsoever.

this is a true story: yung isang kakilala ko, 4 yrs na umalis sa company nila (take note: may bond rin sa company nya) pero hanggang ngayon di parin hinahabol ng company na yun para lang sa bond? :rotflmao:

minsan, panakot lang nila yung bond. kasi bakit pa sila maghahabol ng nag awol kung meron naman silang pwede ipalit na mas qualified kaysa sa kanya? magsasayang lang ang company na yun for police and attorney's fees and court fees as well kasi malabo pa ang mga "bond-bond" na yan sa mata ng labor code. magsasayang lang din sila ng oras kasi hindi lang sa office nila merong company bond. maraming companies din, especially call centers and under-managed companies, who lose employees in a span of 2-5 months, na naghahabol din sa kanilang nag awol na employee for penalties based on bonds. pero syempre, dadaan muna sa court hearing yun para makakuha ng subpoena at warrant of something for those who are concerned.

to the eyes of some employees, bonds are "artificial things" used to motivate them to stay in their line of work.

warning: hindi po ako isang attorney and what i'm telling you guys is just based on research and purely personal experience. this post should be used only as a reference and not to be used for legal measures. it is still better if you and you friend consult your attorney.

[pagie]

wala ngang batas tungkol sa bond, mismong abogado ng DOLE nagsabi skin niyan. Ang sabi pa, kapag kinasuhan ka wag mo bayaran para ang isyu na yan ay mapansin at magawan ng batas.
At sa dami ng kakilala ko na umalis sa company, wala namang hinabol, hanggang legal letters lang.

Galing ako sa bonded contract, tinapos ko yung sa akin. It's not just to honor that contract, I also need that two years experience.

[sassychiq`]

hanggang ngayon, trainee pa din siya. alam ko, yung cash bond na yon, para yon sa gagastusin para sa kanila if ever hindi nila natapos yung contract. ang masaklap pa don, nung nagpipirmahan ng contract, hindi inexplain sa kanila ng mabuti. instead, parang shot gun ang ginawa sa kanila. nung una, ang kwento niya sakin, hesitant siyang pumirma sa contract kasi gusto niya muna pag-aralan. tinanong niya ang hr kung pwede niya muna pag-isipan bago siya pumirma. ang sabi sa kanya, mag-isip na daw siya ngayon. sinuggest din niya na kung pwede, babalik na lang daw siya kinabukasan kasi gusto niya muna mag-isip. sabi ng hr, hindi daw pwede yung ganon. gullible kasi itong friend ko, kaya madalas, naloloko siya. 1 month na rin siyang awol. ang plano niya ngayon e wag na lang magreply at disregard na lang yung mga letters. nasa purchasing department siya nung nandon pa siya sa company.

ang alam ko, sa contract niya (hindi ko rin kasi nakita yung contract niya dahil matagal na siyang humihingi pero ayaw siyang bigyan or ayaw asikasuhin.), nakalagay don na 6 months ang training niya, may mga araw na nasa office siya, at may mga araw na nasa training siya. pero most of the time, nasa office siya dahil maraming pinapatapos ang boss niya at wala silang ginawa kundi tambakan siya ng work. at yung sa training na yon, office or classroom training, hindi applicable yung pinapagawa nilang FS sa kanya. pero ang sabi sa contract nila, magtuturo sila ng work sa office and classroom training na applicable sa FS nila.

syempre, feeling niya ngayon, naloko siya. kahit sino naman, kung hindi tumupad sa usapan, maiinis. ang lumalabas kasi dito, at madalas niyang sinasabi, "sabi may training, pero wala naman. puro trabaho na pang-clerk, e hindi naman eto yung sinabi sa akin." on her part, i understand all her whining. syempre, fresh graduate. gullible pa. madaling maloko. sabihan mo lang ng konting maganda about the company, maniniwala na siya. sinabi na rin niya sa hr yung mga reklamo niya. pero hindi naman siya pinansin.

actually, meron din siyang isang kasama na pa-resign na. pero ang reason naman non, may sakit siya. ayaw pa din siya paalisin dahil nga kailangan daw niyang bayaran yung bond. valid reason na yon, pero ayaw pa rin.

for me, if ever man na idemanda siya, sa tingin ko, may laban siya and she has the right to complain, since hindi naman din nila tinupad yung training. ah, i forgot to mention, yung trainer nila, mas mataas lang ng isang position sa kanya. so, ang sa kanya, hindi siya matuto sa ganon at wala daw sinabi sa training kundi "self explanatory naman yan, maiintindihan niyo na yan." yan ba ang training?

so ngayon, disregard niya na lang yung mga letters na pinapadala sa kanya. kasi nga naiinis na din siya at ayaw na din niya bumalik sa company. at sa tingin ko din, gusto lang sila perahan ng company.

thanks sa mga nagreply.

[Paolo_]

me and your friend, we're in the same boat. actually, awol din ako. my reason, ayoko ng niloloko ako. sana sinabi na lang nila kung ano talaga gagawin ko, hindi yung ang dami pa nilang promises na hindi naman tinupad. for me, ang isang empleyado, kung wala naman siyang nakitang mali, hindi siya aalis. unless na siya ang may problema. actually, ako din. hindi ko rin alam kung hahabulin ba ako, pero nakareceive na rin ako ng letter from the company. but didnt bother to go there or reply to them. and for me, madaming nag-awol dyan. hindi lang naman siya.

[sassychiq`]

mas magastos ba kung magdedemanda pa ang company?

[Emongski]

hindi ko masasabi kung mas magastos ba talaga, kasi it's up to the court at sa mga attorney na ko-contactin nila regarding those matters kung magkano ba talaga dapat ang gagastusin ng company. however, it can cost up to tens-of-thousands of pesos just like any typical case. tapos, it may end up being rejected before anything weird happens kasi hindi pa sang-ayon sa labor code ang mga employment at training bonds.

the good news is that the labor code of the philippines is not yet revised since 1974:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/images/news/microsites/PinoyGlobal/laborcode24.htm:
Done in the City of Manila, this 1st day of May in the year of our Lord, nineteen hundred and seventy four.

(Sgd.) FERDINAND E. MARCOS

President, Republic of the Philippines


sabi nga pala ni pagie, hanggang sa sending of legal letters nalang magagawa ng mga company na ganun ang issue against affected employees. i agree with that.

[sweetchie`]

up for this thread. yung friend ko naman, sinulatan din siya at nagdedemand yung company na pagbayarin siya ng bond. situation is same as sassychiq`'s friend. nakailang letters na rin. pano kaya yun, magrereply pa ba siya? or ignore na lang din the letter?

[c0Rinthian]

simple lang ang sagot, dapat i-honor ng both parties ang nakasaad sa contract

kung may isang party ang nag-breach ng kanyang contractual obligation, ay pwedeng hindi i disregard ang contract clauses

ex: company X promises to give ABC training to candidate Pedro- in exchange for 2 year bond with the company.

If company X did not provide ABC training, Pedro is not obligated to honor the contract and the bond- since di naman na honor ni company X ang kanyang contractual obligation.

so, the lesson here is: busisihin ang lahat ng kontrata bago pirmahan, pag napirmahan mo nayan, kahit anung unfair yan sa iyo ay obligado kang i-honor ito

be sure to ask all questions, and remove all doubts- and be sure to read the "fine print"

dapat lahat ng pangako- naka document sa contract

hope this helps.

[Paolo_]

so, may possibility ba na magdemanda yung company? kahit hindi sila sumunod sa usapan?

[pagie]

Kadalasan nakalagay sa contract na kaya ka naka-bond ay para mabawi ng company ang gastos nila sa training mo. Kung ganyan din nakalagay sa contract mo then wala silang karapatang magdemanda kung wala silang ginastusan na training.

[Paolo_]

ang training di ba dapat formal? kasi sa amin hindi naman formal training. minsan may training, minsan naman, wala. so parang naisip ko, ano ba tong napasukan ko. parang humanap lang ng assistant. so, dapat hindi na mgt trainee ang title ko kundi assistant. at sabi pa sa letter, within 5 days daw, dapat ako magbayad ng bond ko. tsk tsk.

[Paolo_]

and also, pag management trainee, trainee pa siya or probationary employee?

[pagie]

Kami kasi dati sa CPI formal ang training, mga seniors ng CPI ang instructor at may mga kasabay kaming participants from others companies, nagbabayad sila sa training.
Formal lahat, me class card ka after, andun grade mo, tas me certification ka.

[Paolo_]

sa amin, wala. napakainformal. :( tatawagin na lang kung meron. at wala din classcard. pero meron kami mga exam na nakatago sa kanila.

[^^Ajaj^^]

so, may possibility ba na magdemanda yung company? kahit hindi sila sumunod sa usapan?

lam ko nde na uso demanda now about bonds eh unless medyo serious contract talaga na pinapunta ka pa sa ibang bansa to train... sa experience ko now ** aware naman ang mga boss namin eh... based sa salita mismo ng CEO namin as long as career move ang gagawin mo they wont hinder your aim for success basta give them time na makahanap ng kapalit mo sa company *okay*

[sassychiq`]

^yung friend ko, ayaw na niya talaga. kaya nag-awol siya. ngayon, meron na naman siya sulat from the company at nagdedemand na magbayad ng cash bond niya. hindi naman international training yung sa kanya. wala naman kasi talaga ginastos. paranoid na nga siya kasi baka malaman nung current employer niya. sayang kasi, ang ganda na ng position niya ngayon and super happy siya. tapos masisira na lang.

[c0Rinthian]

simple lang naman and pagtakas sa contract na may bond eh...

liable ka lang magbayad ng bond if you resign, go AWOL, or are terminated with cause

pero... pag sila ang nag-fire sa iyo (due to performance issues, etc)- di ka liable magbayad ng bond :naughty: o- tip na yan, next time - may consultation fee na :lol:

[sassychiq`]

yun na nga e. nag-awol siya, thinking na hindi na siya pagbabayarin ng bond. kung magresign naman, pagbabayarin siya. ang problema kasi sa kanya, may pagkastupid and gullible. madali siya makakuha ng work kasi talagang pabibo siya. ayan tuloy, nawala ang pagkabibo dahil sa ginawa niya. hindi na niya alam kung ano gagawin niya. nabasa ko din yung letter at sinabi pa na pag disregard daw ulit e baka gumawa na daw sila legal actions. sabi ko wag siya magpapaniwala. hindi totoo yun.

[c0Rinthian]

:lol: call it social darwinism... the stupid and gullible usually get eaten by the system first... hehehe :naughty:

[council]

for requests for legal advice regarding contracts, it is best that the person concerned post the pertinent (if not complete) text of the contract so we can provide proper advice as well.

it's hard to discuss matters based on "understanding" or conjecture.

[sassychiq`]

she cant post the contract. the hr didnt gave her the contract she signed. hanggang sa nakaalis siya, hindi naibigay sa kanya. kaya i base it sa mga sinasabi na lang niya sakin.

[sassychiq`]

up up up up for this thread.


thanks :)

[c0Rinthian]

up for what? di pa ba nasasagot katanungan mo?

[^^Ajaj^^]

she cant post the contract. the hr didnt gave her the contract she signed. hanggang sa nakaalis siya, hindi naibigay sa kanya. kaya i base it sa mga sinasabi na lang niya sakin.

she does have the right naman to ask for her copy kasi since demandahan na pala eh... i guess nananakot lang yung company and wag dapat sya matakot... sa tingin ko wala na yung contract na may sign nya eh

[pagie]

pwede ring andun pa. pero dapat kase me copy ka nun from the start... enwei, takutan lang ang laro dyan, hindi naman talaga maghahabol yan. gaya ng marami ko nang nai-post dito, marami akong kakilalang tinakasan ang bond, wala naman nangyari.

Bat naman sila gagastos sa paghabol sa tao eh wala naman sila ginastos dun.

Manganda rin sana kung me copy ng contract para ma-examine ni council.

[sassychiq`]

nagtataka din ako bakit di sila binibigyan ng copy. lagi niya hinihingi pero sinasabi sa kanya, bibigyan siya tapos pag ifofollow up niya, hindi pa daw natatapos. :confused:

[council]

hindi pa natatapos? therefore wala siyang pinirmahan?

[sassychiq`]

hindi pa daw natatapos asikasuhin. like photocopy or print. nung siya ang humihingi. pero may pinirmahan na siya. tinatanong din niya mga kasama niya kung pwede sila kumuha pero ayaw silang (yung mga kasama niya) bigyan dahil confidential daw at bawal ilabas. iba-iba ang statement nila.

[council]

the thing with your friend's situation kasi ay nag-awol siya. violation of Article 285 na ng labor code.

so parang all bets are off na. medyo ipit siya.

[sassychiq`]

panong ipit? so.. wala ba siyang laban if ever?

[council]

pwede niya ilaban. pero meron din kasing pwedeng ipukpok sa kanya.

[sassychiq`]

council, please enlighten me. honestly, i dont understand you. :(

[Chuck Norris]

Nag-AWOL siya - that's the reason why the company has the upper hand.

Kung hindi siya na-train, and pinatrabaho lang ng pinatrabaho, then your friend should have talked it over with management or HR or whoever.

Even if the company is not following the terms of the contract (in this case to provide training) - you shouldn't just go AWOL.

[sassychiq`]

^pero sinabi na rin naman niya sa hr. actually pati sa boss niya at sa upper boss niya. pero walang ginawa ang hr, at mga boss niya. naghintay din siya ng action. pero wala namang ginawa. kahit sino naman, kung ganyan, magsasawa. ilang beses na rin siyang humingi ng advice dun sa hr personnel na may hawak ng training nila. at sabi din niya na gusto na niya magresign, lagi siyang tinatakot na pagbabayarin siya sa bond. at nung time na nagpirmahan sila ng contract, parang take it or leave it ang nangyari. nung una kasi gusto niya iuwi yung contract para mapag-isipan at pag-aralan. kung hindi naman pwede iuwi, babalik na lang siya kinabukasan at gusto mag-isip ng mabuti. pero sinabi ng hr na hindi daw pwede yung ganon. kung gusto na niya, pirmahan na niya. kung ayaw niya, iwanan na niya.

[council]

kaya dapat pag-isipan ang lahat ng factors bago tumanggap ng trabaho.

the bonded employment contract by nature is always a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. Most companies will not bend their rules for a fresh grad or one who does not have much experience as leverage.

but dapat binigyan siya ng enough time to think it over (or itulog muna) or discuss matters with the family who could have a better picture of things and makapag-present ng options.

[sassychiq`]

^yun nga. hindi siya binigyan ng enough time para pag-isipan. at sinabi pa na 5 minutes, pwede niya pag-isipan.

[Dragon_Heart]

Malaking company ba yan? Or unknown small firm lang?

Kasi kung maliit lang yan, at di naman mayaman, hindi na nila idedemanda pa yung friend mo. Para ano pa? Gagastos din sila ng malaki at di pa tiyak ang panalo nila.

[Emongski]

my analysis (it will not directly affect the opinion of other posters):

it just goes like this:

ART. 285:

Termination by employee. - (a) An employee may terminate without just cause the employee-employer relationship by serving a written notice on the employer at least one (1) month in advance. The employer upon whom no such notice was served may hold the employee liable for damages.


- this must be the first statement employers might have in mind.

BUT...

(b) An employee may put an end to the relationship without serving any notice on the employer for any of the following just causes:

1. Serious insult by the employer or his representative on the honor and person of the employee;


- sa case ng friend ni sassychiq, 6 months daw ang supposed na training. tapos most of the time lagi raw nasa office instead of having balanced hours for "classroom training". her work is not based on their feasibility study... ouch! ilang beses na raw sya nagrereklamo sa manager and hr ng company niya with regards to her sentiments, tapos wala silang ginawa with regards to her issue... talking about added "insult" to injury there.

2. Inhuman and unbearable treatment accorded the employee by the employer or his representative;


- kung mga 4-5 days lang training mo, habang 6 months kang supposedly trainee, tapos pinang karera kang parang kabayo na di man lang masyado naturuang tumakbo sa field... hindi pa ba inhuman yun?


3. Commission of a crime or offense by the employer or his representative against the person of the employee or any of the immediate members of his family; and


- for this, i have nothing relevant to say which can be used for the situation at hand.

4. Other causes analogous to any of the foregoing.

- di nabigay ng company nya yung authentic copy ng employment contract nya for her to review the policies and all that at home... it is not suffice to say that she should have been in a better company kasi all companies must give a copy of the contract for the new employee to lay his/her eyes on. this situation can also be related to (b.1.) and (b.2.).

[Emongski]

as i had mention before, baka gusto lang nila gumastos ng malaki, tapos matatalo lang sila.

off-topic:
:lol: call it social darwinism... the stupid and gullible usually get eaten by the system first... hehehe :naughty:

survival of the fittest... very naughty indeed. :p

it can also be called in a light way... corruption, where the system first depraves the innocent of his character, then serves to degrade him for its institution's profit.

look at her friend right now. hindi na siguro sya kasing bibo tulad ng dati. however, it's knowledge and experience gained naman, to say the least.

[council]

BUT...

- sa case ng friend ni sassychiq, 6 months daw ang supposed na training. tapos most of the time lagi raw nasa office instead of having balanced hours for "classroom training". her work is not based on their feasibility study... ouch! ilang beses na raw sya nagrereklamo sa manager and hr ng company niya with regards to her sentiments, tapos wala silang ginawa with regards to her issue... talking about added "insult" to injury there.

As the employer has the right to expect and receive from the employee good work, diligence and good behavior, so also the employee has the right to receive from his employer a just wage and fair treatment.

- kung mga 4-5 days lang training mo, habang 6 months kang supposedly trainee, tapos pinang karera kang parang kabayo na di man lang masyado naturuang tumakbo sa field... hindi pa ba inhuman yun?

Inhuman working conditions would refer to such aspects as long hours in dirty, noisy, and poorly ventilated work places and other similar situations. Under Aticle 21 of the Civil Code, any person who willfully causes loss or injury to another in a manner that is contrary to morals, good customs or public policy shall compensate the latter for the damage.

[sassychiq`]

by the way, im the friend of sassychiq`. she let me used her account. reading this thread made me more confused, threatened, and at the same time, scared. im dead.

my mom wants to pay the bond, but i dont like her to pay the bond because first, i did not learn anything from the company and now, it brought me so much stress. reading their letters made me scared but i know, at the back of my mind, if ever they'll file a case or sue me, i would definitely not run. but for now, im not yet ready to face the company. i dont want to go there either. i know its my fault because i broke a contract. i have so much things to learn. and now, ive learned my lesson. its just that, its in a hard way. i am confident that if they'll sue me, i will win the case. i also heard that this company once filed a case to one of their employees. same situation. same as my situation. the employee won, and the company, they lost. after that, employees who went awol, they'll just send demand letters. demanding us to pay the bond. im just a trainee. i know, im gullible, stupid at times, ignorant, and clumsy. but i know what are my limits. it came to the point that my work is giving me sooooo much stress and its affecting my personality. right now, i did not do any action but i already ask advice from our lawyer. yes, they said that i should have submitted my resignation letter. i asked the hr about this (my situation) but they keep on telling me, if i resigned, then i should pay the bond. when i was working in that company, i asked them about my situation. i also told them that they should change my position to an assistant or clerk because im not doing my job as a trainee. but as clerk, assistant or support. i went to the hr numerous of times already. what the hr did was to take down notes, telling me that they'll give a solution to my problem. i also asked my other 2 bosses about this and promised me to lessen the load of work. but still, no changes. it came to a point that i feel so harassed, tired and the treatment is unfair. because some of my co-trainees are already promoted to an upper position. while me, working hard, very very very hard, is still not getting any. lessening my load of work, teaching me things that are applicable to my feasibility study and trainings that are also applicable to my work and feasibility study is all i want. i do not wish to have a higher position because im happy for my co-trainees. i feel bad because i already asked for their help, i whined and rant, but still, no actions. they have promised me to have a training. after 4 or 5 sessions of training, they asked us that we're ready to do our fs. i asked for an extension for the submission, but they did not allow me. i passed the fs but its according to what ive learned from school. not what i learned from the office or from the training. when we're about to sign the contract, they did not allow me to come back after the day of contract signing. they want me to sign right away. take it or leave it. they said, i should think now. seeing my co trainees signed already, i signed the contract. they did not explain the contract one by one. that time, i was very hesitant and asked again, if i can come back because i want to think it over. again, they refused. while working, i asked for the contract, they kept on saying, they they'll hand it over to me. but, again. no feedback. i kept on going to the hr dept, but still, they cant give me the contract. working in the company, i was totally fooled. promises are broken. now, i've learned my lesson that i shouldnt trust people "that" easily.

now, i still cant have a peace of mind because of the letters they sent me. but staying away from that company made me much much happier. i am traumatized and it gave me a mental stress while working there, and now, i may not be the "bibo" kid anymore. but ive matured enough and learned things in a hard way.

i applied for a multi-national company. im just waiting for their feedback. but im confident enough that the company will hire me. im still the positive person my friends and family know :)

thanks for those who replied and let this thread grow. because im not the only one who've done awol. but reading this thread is very useful. my situation is not unique. i know, there are also some employees who have the same situation as mine. :)

[Emongski]

As the employer has the right to expect and receive from the employee good work, diligence and good behavior, so also the employee has the right to receive from his employer a just wage and fair treatment.

well, from the looks of the threadstarter's post, her friend was treated unfairly on many ways. doon palang sa hindi binigay yung copy ng contract, unfair na yun e. i absolutely agree with you mr. council. that's what i'm trying to say. you said it in a very concise way. thanks for revising my words. i gladly appreciate it!

Inhuman working conditions would refer to such aspects as long hours in dirty, noisy, and poorly ventilated work places and other similar situations. Under Aticle 21 of the Civil Code, any person who willfully causes loss or injury to another in a manner that is contrary to morals, good customs or public policy shall compensate the latter for the damage.

i have already read the threadstarter's/(her friend's) post... hey... talking about morals and public policy, the threadstarter is starting to have stress and traumas of some sort for goodness's sake. what she feels today is just what some of my buddies felt when they did the same exact thing she did sometime ago. pero, just like i said in my previous posts, nothing crazy happened to them. hindi na dumating pa sa husgado yung ginawa nilang awol.

application of art. 21 of the Civil Code may vary depending on the exact work conditions/actual job of the employee. yung mga basurero nga alam nila na they are working in an extremely hot dirty work environment for very long hours, which we must presume na ok lang sa kanila dahil that's what they are supposed to do. janitors and other such employees are in the same degree as the basureros. as long as they get their pay, walang strike/awol na mangyayari diba? in contrast, the threadstarter's friend has a good corporate job. however, based on her "testimonies", she had rough moments with her work AND her previous employer, which were stated on the threadstarters' (dalawa na kasi sila) previous posts.

somebody galing sa kabilang forum paid his employment bond without hesitation, but with heavy criticism from another forum member there. i read this more than a month ago. you can also read the previous pages of that thread just for fun: ;)

http://msforums.ph/forums/t/48373.aspx?PageIndex=4

here is the pex "lite" version of it:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193548

it looks like nagkaroon ng settlement from 100k to 20k yung guy na sinasabi ko. of course, nasa nag awol na yun kung magbabayad sya para sa bond.

@ threadstarters:
1. just use the legal letters as "bangkang papel" then count how many paper boats you made as long as you can.
2. if you do not like my first suggestion, gather other types of evidence you should find and consult your lawyer right away so you can have 100% chances of winning the case (baka nga ma dismiss pa agad sa korte yung kaso kasi wala naman sa labor code yung mga tungkol sa employment/trainee bond). your testimonies are not enough for you to win the case at that rate kasi. you have to have material evidence/witnesses to back up your testimonies.

@ threadstarter's friend:
i hope you'll get employed as early as possible. just be sure to get and read the contract before signing it pag may job offer ka na. tapos, nasa iyo na yun kung pipirmahan mo o hindi. may the good heavens bless you! *okay*

[sassychiq`]

if i may add. again, while we're having our training, the instructor is just an employee. this employee is 1 step higher to me. while discussing, he'll always say that its self explanatory. in short, he did not teach and explain what's the topic all about. rather, we studied among ourselves only. there is also no certificate for the trainings i've attended. no time in, no time out. no classcard but we had our assessment exam. in short, there is no formal training. out of 4 months, i mostly spent my time at the office working. if working in the office is considered training, why do i have this feeling that im working but i cannot include what im doing in our fs. i do not see any connection. work in the office is not applicable in my fs. i just want the company to be honest as much as possible. i promised them that i'll work very hard, which i did. and they promised me to give me a training that will enhance me and develop my skills. obviously, the "training" that they gave me, even a single thing about myself, i do not feel that i've grown. i dont want to stay in a company that cannot stand for their statements.:bop:

btw, im sassychiq`'s friend. im using her account. i dont have an account here in pex. sorry. :)

^Emongski, thanks for taking your time on replying :) and also, council. :) thanks thanks! :)

[Paolo_]

to the threadstarter's friend:

my sympathy is with you. i can feel your pain and obviously, you're not happy. how come you lasted for 4 months? kung di ka na masaya, sana umalis ka na agad. why did you not finish the contract? 2 months to go na lang. just curious. i just hope that you're okay now. we're in the same situation but yours is just, harsh. baka naculture shock ka lang. but that's the truth. malupit ang mundo. pero next time, dapat basahin mo mabuti at kung hindi mo naintindihan, wag ka pipirma. yun lang. sana okay ka na.

please pm me the company. thanks :)

[Emongski]

if i may add. again, while we're having our training, the instructor is just an employee. this employee is 1 step higher to me. while discussing, he'll always say that its self explanatory. in short, he did not teach and explain what's the topic all about. rather, we studied among ourselves only. there is also no certificate for the trainings i've attended. no time in, no time out. no classcard but we had our assessment exam. in short, there is no formal training. out of 4 months, i mostly spent my time at the office working. if working in the office is considered training, why do i have this feeling that im working but i cannot include what im doing in our fs. i do not see any connection. work in the office is not applicable in my fs. i just want the company to be honest as much as possible. i promised them that i'll work very hard, which i did. and they promised me to give me a training that will enhance me and develop my skills. obviously, the "training" that they gave me, even a single thing about myself, i do not feel that i've grown. i dont want to stay in a company that cannot stand for their statements.:bop:

btw, im sassychiq`'s friend. im using her account. i dont have an account here in pex. sorry. :)

^Emongski, thanks for taking your time on replying :) and also, council. :) thanks thanks! :)

@ sassychiq (or whoever you are):

have you read the ITS threads i provided for you?

yung mga kababayan natin sa ITS almost had the same situation as yours. self-study, heavy work load habang trainee palang, under pressure kahit hindi pa dapat, etc. nangyayari talaga yan kahit kanino. pero we all know na kapag puno na ang salop... yun na! ;)

regardless of whether you finished your contract with your ex-employer or not, i feel your pain. malay mo, mangyari rin yun sa akin or sa ibang mga pexers? hindi ka nag iisa sa situation na ganyan.

council pointed out some nice insights; all he wants to say is kapag may binato sa iyo, dapat may ibato ka sa kanila na mas mabigat. and you have to find out kung anu-anong mga bagay ang kaya mo ibato sa kanila, if you want to face them mano-y-mano in the court.

ang akin lang is analysis. just stay out of harm's way. ika nga ni robocop, "stay out of trouble". simple as that.

ayan, meron ka nang insights from an hr and from a casual guy "galing sa kanto". weigh your options wisely.

no problem. i'm just doing my part.

i wish you all the best.

[Paolo_]

^well, sa tingin ko, malabo that the company will sue her. may laban naman siya. and maliit lang bond, mas malaki pa gagastusin nila kung magdedemanda sila.

[council]

paano naman yung pag-a-awol ng tao?

[bryanwizard]

I have something din.

may bond din ako sa company.

scenenario:

pina aral nila ako as trainee din. Pero parang OJT din kami ng 6 months sa skul and sa office.

nung una may contract kami: 2 years bond dapat kami sa company upon completion of the program.

pero nung ng graduate na kami may new contract.
It states **** na supersedes all previous contract between me and the company.
Yung new contract na yun wala na nakalagay na bond or babayaran.

Ask ko lang sana kung pwd na ako umalis sa office.

Tnx sa reply.

[haripoter]

Okay lang naman yung contract with bonds... as long as you know what you are going into...

[council]

pero nung ng graduate na kami may new contract.
It states **** na supersedes all previous contract between me and the company.
Yung new contract na yun wala na nakalagay na bond or babayaran.

Ask ko lang sana kung pwd na ako umalis sa office.

Tnx sa reply.

You can leave anytime.

[bryanwizard]

tnx council il talk to my boss about it this tomorrow.

[Singularity]

Kaya pag ganyan magpa -fire nalang kayo para walang problema. Matulog kayo sa opisina, o kaya magpatugtog kayo ng sobrang lakas.

[trinity808]

hi bryanwizard, kakasign ko rin lang ng halos same na contract. one year training and after graduation, another year pa. Can you pm me ur company? If that's okay. Thanks. =)

[11111]

ako din. nag-awol ako. almost 3 months na akong awol and 3 demand letters na sinisend sakin. hindi ko alam kung nananakot sila basta sabi ng lawyer ko, wag ko daw replyan.

[council]

ako din. nag-awol ako. almost 3 months na akong awol and 3 demand letters na sinisend sakin. hindi ko alam kung nananakot sila basta sabi ng lawyer ko, wag ko daw replyan.

pagkatapos nyan, summons o subpoena na.

[11111]

^talaga? ****. ano ba yan

[council]

^talaga? ****. ano ba yan

If the company is really serious, mahaba-habang proseso yan talaga.

[LimpBwiZit]

pagkatapos nyan, summons o subpoena na.

not necessarily, dadaan muna yan sa internal admin procedure ng company. i-di-dismiss ka muna for abandonment, twin-notice rule.

[council]

pagkatapos nyan, summons o subpoena na.

not necessarily, dadaan muna yan sa internal admin procedure ng company. i-di-dismiss ka muna for abandonment, twin-notice rule.

he was receiving demand letters, so i assume(d) it's about the fulfillment of the obligations ng bond as per contract.

[11111]

^hmm. di ko na nagets.

[council]

tungkol saan ba ang demand letters na natanggap mo? sa pag-awol o dahil meron kang bond?

[LimpBwiZit]

usually, both na yan..."please explain within 72 hours why you should not be dismissed and/or be held liable on your bond"

para pag wala pa ring reply, all the way na.

presumption lang ang akin though, coz nagtitipid din sa papel at postage ang mga companies :)

[council]

kunsabagay... for formality na rin - pero "mahirap i-dismiss" ang isang nag-awol. :D

[LimpBwiZit]

yeah...pero IRR ng Labor Code and jurisprudence, strict sa twin notice rule - first notice to show cause, and second notice to inform him of dismissal.

rules is, registered mail to last known address na lang kung awol, and substantial compliance na yon.

dami nang companies nadali dyan, hindi formally dinismiss ang AWOL, tapos biglang bumabalik, or bigla na lang nag-file ng illegal dismissal, at nanalo pa rin si employee on awol.

without twin notice, 50,000 na agad ang damages sa awarded sa employee on that issue alone *(based on SC ruling as of 2007, illegal dismissal with just cause but without due process. baka tumaas na ngayon)

[11111]

^^^^well, nakalagay don sa letter na i have to pay 55k in 3 days daw. final na daw yun. kung ano yung nasa 1st letter, yun din sa third. hay buhay. kung hindi daw ako magbabayad, gagawa daw sila legal action against me.

[council]

^^^^well, nakalagay don sa letter na i have to pay 55k in 3 days daw. final na daw yun. kung ano yung nasa 1st letter, yun din sa third. hay buhay. kung hindi daw ako magbabayad, gagawa daw sila legal action against me.

bakit ka nga dapat magbayad ng 55k?

1. nag-awol
2. merong bond

[LimpBwiZit]

nakaka-tempt magbigay ng legal advice...

i'm still bound and still uphold the canons though. kaya hanggang legal opinion lang ako.

i think yong 55k, damages yon for losses that your absence has caused the company. again, speculate lang ako dito coz di ko naman alam kung para saan ang 55k.

[11111]

^nope. yung 55k hindi daw yon for damages. para daw yon sa training na nagastos sa akin.

[council]

ah training bond.

can't comment much since i don't know the content of the contract, but if you signed it (and ergo agreed to the conditions) you may be liable to pay the amount.

[c0Rinthian]

^nope. yung 55k hindi daw yon for damages. para daw yon sa training na nagastos sa akin.

ang tanong... may training ba talagang binigay?

at- naka specify ba kung anung training ang ibibigay sa contract- o generic clause lang?

[11111]

^wala naman.

[c0Rinthian]

^wala naman.

so- why are they demanding training costs when no actual training was provided?

pwede mo ba i post dito ang contents ng contract? o kahit PM lang :D

[council]

^ mahirap patunayan ang "wala naman" since the company knows they spent for you.

more so na nag-awol ka - pwede naman magbigay ng required notice para madali ang pag-alis mo.

[Sympatiko]

I have this experience before. In a call center where I worked with before, we are asked to sign a contract with bond. My other colleagues umalis at nagresign na kahit sa training pa lang. Nothing happened with them. The contract with bonds were actually not in effect I think. Panakot *** un ng ibang companies. But of course, this is a case to case basis. Swerte kami dati na lenient ang company namin about contract with bonds.;)

[c0Rinthian]

nakow... AWOL...

worst thing you can do to your career... ala ka nang laban niyan :( unless na may masama silang ginagawa sa iyo (ginugulpi, di binabayaran, etc)- pero kung mababaw lang ang iyong dahilan- olats na :(

[11111]

^ ako ang olats?

[council]

You practically closed all possible exit routes by going awol.

[11111]

^council, di ko nagets. sorry. pakiexplain naman ng mabuti. thank you :(

[c0Rinthian]

^^

sa iyong pag AWOL- lahat ng provisions ng kontrata mo at viniolate mo, kahit papano ba balibaliktarin sa korte- ikaw ang party na nag break ng contract mo- hence- liable ka sa mga provisions/consequences na nakalagay dito in the event na di mo natupad ang iyong contractual obligation.

di ka kasi dumaan sa due process eh... in short- you effectively waived your right to be heard or negotiating the terms of your exit (by going AWOL).

so, pwedeng i demand ng kumpanya ang kahit ano mang payment na nakasaad sa iyong kontrata... olats...

punta ka na lang nag Canada :lol:

[11111]

^pag-awol ba laging talo?

[council]

most likely, yes - eventually talo.

before you can sue to claim all other benefits (if for example you want your benefits), you may first have to go through the other side of the issue. the company may have lost income due to your sudden abandonment of work. and they will try to recover that somehow. all of these could be avoided just by following proper procedure.

[c0Rinthian]

yes... AWOL = talo

[c0Rinthian]

yes... AWOL = talo

lalo na pagdating sa background checks...

[11111]

^^^well, thanks na lang sa mga nagreply. antay na lang ako next move nila. waiting in vain na lang ako.

[real madrid]

since pinag-uusapan naman natin dito ang bond,

my company is a 100% subsidiary ng isang company sa ibang bansa

my company ay nagpapadala ng empleyado sa ibang bansa using
ICT visa na sa pagkakaintindi ko is when they have an ICT visa
they considered resign here in the philippines ang they will be
hired company abroad. Nasabi ko ito kasi yung company sa ibang
bansa will pay tax. Tama ba ako?

now yung company mo dito sa pinas will give you bond for the
amounting dun sa ginastos sa iyo dun sa stay mo sa ibang bansa
this includes the salary, accomodation, food, transportation,air fare
at iba pa. ...for two years yung bond.

legal ba yung ganun kasi di naman yung
nag-sponsor sa iyo ang nagbigay ng bond
kundi yung campany mo dito sa pinas.

may karapatan ba to collect bond yung company sa pinas?

[council]

legal ba yung ganun kasi di naman yung
nag-sponsor sa iyo ang nagbigay ng bond
kundi yung campany mo dito sa pinas.

may karapatan ba to collect bond yung company sa pinas?

Mahirap mag-speculate since the basis for all of these will be the contracts.

Pero...

The company here might be enforcing a bond because they are also tied to the company abroad - if you leave abruptly there without completing your obligations, baka yung local company ang singilin ng foreign company.

[kamotegirl]

mr council,

what if kung ang nangyari is nauna yung training (paid by the company and not cheap :D ), then after ng training saka nagpresent yung company ng employment bond and required na mag-agree sa bond.

pano po kaya yun?

[council]

mr council,

what if kung ang nangyari is nauna yung training (paid by the company and not cheap :D ), then after ng training saka nagpresent yung company ng employment bond and required na mag-agree sa bond.

pano po kaya yun?

If you don't agree to the conditions, you can simply refuse it.

You can then look for opportunities elsewhere.

[real madrid]

i would like to know if this is legal

if you have training bond for two years
and in 1 1/2 years they gave you another
training abroad and the company is now
giving you another training bond and
cancel the first one because the new training
is expensive.

[council]

i would like to know if this is legal

if you have training bond for two years
and in 1 1/2 years they gave you another
training abroad and the company is now
giving you another training bond and
cancel the first one because the new training
is expensive.

is that the reason they gave - new bond because it's more expensive?

OTOH, it is proper that the old bond/contract is cancelled in favoor of the new one since there is another reason for it - another training program abroad. the old one is considered fulfilled (mag thank you ka na lang since dapat 2 yrs pero 1.5 na lang para sa iyo) and now you have to fulfill the new one which has different terms.

[real madrid]

is that the reason they gave - new bond because it's more expensive?

OTOH, it is proper that the old bond/contract is cancelled in favoor of the new one since there is another reason for it - another training program abroad. the old one is considered fulfilled (mag thank you ka na lang since dapat 2 yrs pero 1.5 na lang para sa iyo) and now you have to fulfill the new one which has different terms.



aside from it is expensive it is
a way to keep their employee.

giving training every two years
ang ginagawa nila para di
mag resign yung empleyado nila,
sometime overlap. so employee have
no time to get a better job.

gaya ng sibani ko they will cancel
the first one and give you a new one.
madami sa empleyado ang AWOL
lalo na kung may opportunity na mas maganda
at alam nilang malaki ang babayaran.

[council]

so far, from what i gather in your posts, everything is above board.

[classicguy_123]

may mga kakilala din ako nag-awol at hindi naman sila hinabol ng company. and mas malaki pa. 300k ang bond.

[11111]

pano pag meron ng registry notice? ano meaning non?

[council]

pano pag meron ng registry notice? ano meaning non?

It may mean nothing. Then again, a registry receipt or notice is proof that the person actually received the (demand) letter. That's one part in the process of filing for damages and making claims.

[11111]

^what if kung di kukunin?

[council]

^what if kung di kukunin?

Tatatakan lang naman ng "refused to receive" - ganoon pa din ang effect.

[11111]

ahhh. dapat ba kukunin sa main office di ba?

council, wala kasi talaga akong pambayad sa bond. 3 mos na ako awol and 3 letters na nareceive ko. ano ba dapat kong gawin?

[council]

ahhh. dapat ba kukunin sa main office di ba?

Depende yan - kung registry notice at kailangan kunin sa post office, bibigyan yan ng 3 notice. Minsan dadalhin na mismo yung padala para ipa-receive.

council, wala kasi talaga akong pambayad sa bond. 3 mos na ako awol and 3 letters na nareceive ko. ano ba dapat kong gawin?

Harapin ang sitwasyon. The more na takbuhan mo, mas lumalala. Kausapin sila ng maayos. Baka sakaling i-waive nila eventually or bigyan ka ng better terms.

The bond is there for a purpose. Kung walang balak tumupad sa kasulatan, wag nang ituloy ang pagpirma ng kontrata.

[11111]

^natatakot ako na baka pag pumunta ako sa office, baka magkaroon ng commotion.

[council]

^natatakot ako na baka pag pumunta ako sa office, baka magkaroon ng commotion.

sagutin mo ang mga sulat na pinadala.

[11111]

how? write them a letter?

[council]

council, wala kasi talaga akong pambayad sa bond. 3 mos na ako awol and 3 letters na nareceive ko. ano ba dapat kong gawin?

how? write them a letter?

Exactly. *okay*

Since tatlo na ang letters na na-receive mo, sagutin mo yung pinaka-huli, or answer them all in one letter.

[real madrid]

kaya maganda na kaisapin na lang ang company kung talagang makulit sila sa bond.

Matanong ko lang kung ang tao is doing no good in terms of money o sabihin nating di nya kayang bayaran ang bond, di ba kelangang tingnan muna yung kakayahan ng tao para bayaran ito? Resign na yung tao at sa nilipatan nya di sya nagtagal natanggal agad at no way to pay the bond. paano yun?

[council]

It's true na dapat sigurong tingnan ang capacity to pay.

Pero kung tumatakbo ang (former) employee o umiiwas sa dating employer dahil sa sinisingil na bond, it sends the wrong signal kasi.

"Ah, umiiwas ito kasi ayaw lang talaga magbayad at gusto pang patagalin ang habulan."

[diwata123]

accenture ba ito?

[11111]

^nope. this is not accenture

[diwata123]

ah ok. daming IT companies ang may bond.
imbis na gandahan ang benefits at sweldo, apti working envi, nagba-bond na lang sila...

[11111]

^hindi rin it yung company ko

[council]

imbis na gandahan ang benefits at sweldo, apti working envi, nagba-bond na lang sila...

sorry, i don't see the relation of benefits, sweldo, and environment, to the bond in the above statement.

i usually hear an "imbis" statement as:

imbis na gandahan ang benefits, tinatanggal pa.

or

imbis na gumanda ang service, lalo pang pumangit.

[11111]

hi council.

i called DOLE about my situation. ang sabi niya bawal daw yung bond and yung demand letters daw, ignore ko lang daw. hindi ko na alam kung sino ang susundin ko. :confused:

[diwata123]

sorry, i don't see the relation of benefits, sweldo, and environment, to the bond in the above statement.

i usually hear an "imbis" statement as:

imbis na gandahan ang benefits, tinatanggal pa.

or

imbis na gumanda ang service, lalo pang pumangit.

ang ibig ko atang sabihin e para ma-retain ang mga empleyado, dapat ginagandahan ang benefits at working environment, hindi sapilitang 'bond'. Kung panget ang training dahil di naman certified ang mga trainer at bench ka palagi... panget ang envi at benefits, bakit pipigilang umalis ang empleyado?

[11111]

^correct. at dapat, hindi nagtitipid. sana man lang, comfy ka sa work mo. pero yung MAINIT, gosh. at nagtitipid sa aircon. BULL S hit.

[real madrid]

may mga company kasi na ang pananaw ay to keep
the employee give a bond, it is not the reason at all
kung maganda ang environment, maganda ang management
may nararamdamang growth ang mga empleyado
siguro magdadalawang isip ito na umalis, mas mababa man
yung bigay. Sa malaking company kasi malaki din ang
pressure,mas malaki din ag bigay. Yung iba na may kaya
sa buhay mas gugustuhin pa ang magandang office environment.

Malaki talaga ang sakop ng mataas na sahod.
Lalo na yung mga bagong gradutes pero tanungin mo
yung medyo matagal na sa trabaho kung ano ang
kanilang hanap,pero sa hirap ng buhay ngayon no.1 pa
din siguro ang sahod.

bond sa akin basura yan, maraming nasisirang pangarap
panahon, at opportunidad dahil sa bond na yan.

[diwata123]

^^^korek, kaya wag na pong mag-apply sa mga may bond, kahit 1 week lang ang covered.

sabi sa 1 thread dito dati, kailangang isabatas na yung pagbabawal ng bonds... or something... hehehehe

[council]

hi council.

i called DOLE about my situation. ang sabi niya bawal daw yung bond and yung demand letters daw, ignore ko lang daw. hindi ko na alam kung sino ang susundin ko. :confused:

it's all up to you eventually.

bottom line with the civil code din kasi is that pag hindi kayo nagkasundo sa terms, wag mo pirmahan ang contract. pag pinirmahan mo, that means you agree to the terms. Hindi din naman onerous ang contract. it's just a way companies try to make sure their investments are secured.

Demand letters are sent because there is a breach of contract on your part and that there are accessory penalty clauses attached to your action.

Of course DOLE or NLRC will say na bawal ang bond, etc. But they have not heard the whole story yet. And besides, that's what they are there for. Most of the time (generally speaking) they side with labor (employee) unless management proves their case well.

[11111]

if i ask help from dole, will they help me?

[council]

if i ask help from dole, will they help me?

Yes and No.

Yes - they will take down your complaint and forward a letter to the company for them to explain, etc etc etc.

No - they won't actually act as your defense. They're the referee.


(For those who are thinking of complaining about their current employer... It's not a good idea to go to NLRC while still employed with the company you're making a complaint against. That's one way of getting terminated - legally or otherwise.)

[11111]

so, in short, wala akong laban dito?

[council]

so, in short, wala akong laban dito?

Meron naman, though it's not as easy as saying that the contract is onerous and therefore should be rescinded and all other succeeding actions are deemed void.

Things may shift and instead of meeting for arbitration in Banawe, QC, you may actually be headed off to the MTC or RTC if unahan ka ng company and they file a breach of contract, estafa or other related case.

[11111]

^council, kung pupunta ba ako sa company ko dati at wala talagang pambayad, pipilitin ba nila ako?

[council]

^council, kung pupunta ba ako sa company ko dati at wala talagang pambayad, pipilitin ba nila ako?

I can't say for sure. Pag-usapan ninyo dapat. Kasi sa simula pa lang dapat kinausap mo na. Pag pinatagal, nag-iiba ang perception ng tao.

Baka iniisip na nila na nagtatago ka kasi ayaw mo lang magbayad.

[11111]

^siguro, ganun na iniisip nila. kaya hesitant ako pumunta dahil baka magkaroon ng commotion.

[council]

^siguro, ganun na iniisip nila. kaya hesitant ako pumunta dahil baka magkaroon ng commotion.

I don't think so naman.

Pero kung hindi ka pupunta, siguradong merong commotion. Kakatukin ka sa inyo and all that.

Magkikita na lang kayo sa korte.

[11111]

council, bakit parang ako lang ang pinapadalhan ng letter? hindi lang naman ako ang nag-awol?

[council]

council, bakit parang ako lang ang pinapadalhan ng letter? hindi lang naman ako ang nag-awol?

i cant answer that. hindi ko alam ang sitwasyon nyong lahat.

hindi mo rin magagamit na defense yan na hindi lang ikaw ang nag-awol. sasabihin nila sa iyo na wag mo ibahin ang usapan. handle your own problem and wag ang sa iba.

[11111]

kasi nagtataka ako, bakit ako lang pinadadalhan ng letter? pero sabagay. madami naman kami nag-awol. hindi kaya naghahabol lang ang company kasi gusto lang kwartahan yung empleyado?

[council]

kasi nagtataka ako, bakit ako lang pinadadalhan ng letter? pero sabagay. madami naman kami nag-awol. hindi kaya naghahabol lang ang company kasi gusto lang kwartahan yung empleyado?

Read the employment contract.

Naghahabol sila kasi meron kang patakaran na hindi sinunod. At kung pababayaan lang nila, lagi silang kakayanin lang ng mga taong gustong umalis ng basta-basta.

[11111]

^nung nagpirmahan ng kontrata, hindi naman kami binigyan ng contract. di ko nga alam kung bakit hindi kami binigyan right after magpirmahan at hanggang sa nakaalis ako, walang naibigay na kontrata.

[council]

^nung nagpirmahan ng kontrata, hindi naman kami binigyan ng contract. di ko nga alam kung bakit hindi kami binigyan right after magpirmahan at hanggang sa nakaalis ako, walang naibigay na kontrata.

too bad. then all the chips are stacked against you.

[diwata123]

^^^
what company po uli yang di nagbibigay ng contract?

[real madrid]

ang di pagpirma ba ng bond ay matatwag na insubordination at subject to termination?

[diwata123]

ang di pagpirma ba ng bond ay matatwag na insubordination at subject to termination?


kung start ng employment, pag di ko pumirma ng bond... wala ka atang employment kase part ng contract nila yon.

Kung special training, pag di ka pumirma ng bond, di ka ipapadala sa training. ganun lang don, or at least sa accenture, sabi ng pinsan ko.

[tendertorture]

accenture ba ito???? hahahahaha

[shehla22]

> pananakot lang ang bond na yan..protection lang yan ng company,,,panu naman yung employee di ba ?

> abala yan sa company kung idedemanda ka pa..at gastos

> may kakilala ako na nung di sinunod ang bond...tinakot lang pero wala din nangyari...........kaya ignore mo na lang

[BeePeeOOO]

A friend of mine even talked to a labor lawyer and media man to possibly entrap the company and subject it to public condemnation.

[gretz09]

A friend of mine is on the same boat, nag resign sya for health reason.

Lately, she received a letter demanding her to pay the bond.

She wanted to pay the bond kaso wala syang pangbayad, she doesnt have a job nga dahil nagpapahinga muna sya.

Sentiments din nya, na very unreasonable yung bond. Yung training nila were purely communication skills lang ****, classroom set-up, tapos they were asked to sign pa yung PGMA scholarship for FINISHING COURSE for Call Center Agents, that means part ng training ay bayad ng gobyerno..

Any adivice guys..

[rapidpunch]

pati EMERIO PHILIPPINES may bond din. . .equivalent to 60k. i just do not know IF they will really sue you for not paying the bond if mag AWOL ka. .. kasi for me. . what if a much better offer comes? iisipin mo pa ba yung bond? i am sure you would choose the better job . ..

[mickhail]

Hi, ask ko lang po sainyo.. may offer kasi sken ang Weserv/Fujitsu Help Desk.. ang mga batch ***** na mahihire pioneer daw.. pero 3 years ang bond pero prang TSR ka lang right? bakit kailangan pa ng bond kung ang training mo pang call center lang? thanks po sa sasagot

[council]

Hi, ask ko lang po sainyo.. may offer kasi sken ang Weserv/Fujitsu Help Desk.. ang mga batch ***** na mahihire pioneer daw.. pero 3 years ang bond pero prang TSR ka lang right? bakit kailangan pa ng bond kung ang training mo pang call center lang? thanks po sa sasagot

bottom line - gagastusan ka nila and they want to be sure na masusulit ang gagastusin nila sa inyo.

[mickhail]

bottom line - gagastusan ka nila and they want to be sure na masusulit ang gagastusin nila sa inyo.

ahh.. ano kaya ang mga possible trainings nila? ang tagal kasi ang bond eh

[emeriosuck]

walang training sa emerion kaya wag kayo magpaloko sa recruitment nila, yon 60k na bond pang hold lang nila sayo in-case mag work ka sa kanila.


at bago ka mag resign, kailangan may 1 month notice pa at kung di ka mag-rerender ng 1 month babayaran mo yon isang buwan equivalent to your 1 month salary.

ganito yon, halimbawa ang sahod mo 15k 1 month at di ka maka-render ng 1 month ang babayaran mo lahat sa kanila is 75k kasama yon 60k na bond. wtf.

[bryanwizard]

11111 musta na po yung sa bond mo.

what if nag start ka sa company then may 1 yr bond.

tapos magpapaalam ka for serious reason. kakastart mo palang within a week.