13th month pay

[mrs.t_1425]

is it legal na ibabawas sa 13th month pay ang mga absences at lates ? yun kasi ang balita dito sa amin. i work in a call center company at malapit na ang bigayan ng 13th month namin. pero sabi nila babawasin daw dun ang mga absences at lates namin. tama ba yun ?

thanks.:lol:

[jackbrng]

hehehe, mali yon. Ayon sa PD 851, ang basis ng 13th month pay ay yung basic salary within a calendar year. Ibig sabihin ng basic salary, ay yung earnings ng isang empleyado hindi kasama ang overtime, night differential, allowances, lates at absences. Therefore, kung sa basis pa lang ng 13th ay hindi na kasama nag late at absences, what more pa sa 13th month pay mismo, so mali yon. I-confirm nyo muna mga haka-haka baka tsismis lang yun, hehehe.

[pagie]

Halos lahat ng company ganyan, ave ng income mo in year (of course di kasama yung absences dahil wala kang income dito), minus OT then devided by 12. I think this is legal.

[badzmanaois]

Moral of the story: don't be late or absent. "Ma'am, traffic eh" is so cliche. =)

By right, di dapat ibawas sa 13th month pay yung lates/absences mo. Sa sweldo mo sa December (or whichever month the lates/absences occurred) dapat ibawas yun.

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[pagie]

Ang pagkakaintindi ko sa sitwasyon ay ganito.
Kung ang annual income mo ay 300,000 at 250,000 lang ang kinita mo dahil lagi kang absent.

Then, tama yun. 250,000/12 = 13month pay

Pero kung 13month pay - 50,000(absences), mali naman yun.

I'm not sure, pero yung first formula ang practice eh. So I just think yun ang legal. Matagal na ko hindi nakakasilip ng labor code so hindi ko na alam.:)

Paging council...:)

[krazie21]

is it legal na ibabawas sa 13th month pay ang mga absences at lates ? yun kasi ang balita dito sa amin. i work in a call center company at malapit na ang bigayan ng 13th month namin. pero sabi nila babawasin daw dun ang mga absences at lates namin. tama ba yun ?

thanks.:lol:

di ba dapat deducted na yan sa monthly salary?

[johnmaxwell]

Gather all you payslips and compute your total basic pay divided by 12, yun dapat ang 13th month. dapat deducted na lahat i-deduct sa payslip.

So far, di pa ako naka-encounter ng ganyang employer who will take time to really goes into that detailed computation.

Usually nga pag na-increase-an staff within the year, ang 13th month pay is equal to last basic salary. Di na compute basic per month...

[Galactus-1]

^^^ Alam ko that is not the current practice.

Kung na-increasan yung employee, let's say in June, ina-average yung basic salary niya from Jan - Dec. to get the 13th month. Lugi kasi ang company pag last basic salary ang basis, especially kung latter part ng year na-increasan yung employee. In my case na lang, na-increasan ako in April, pero yung 13th month ko, was not my present salary.

All the companies I've worked for ganun ang naging practice.

[Dacs]

Sa last company ko, ang 13th month ay nakabase sa current salary mo.

At di inaawas yung absences at late mo

[jackbrng]

Ang pagkakaintindi ko sa sitwasyon ay ganito.
Kung ang annual income mo ay 300,000 at 250,000 lang ang kinita mo dahil lagi kang absent.

Then, tama yun. 250,000/12 = 13month pay

Pero kung 13month pay - 50,000(absences), mali naman yun.

I'm not sure, pero yung first formula ang practice eh. So I just think yun ang legal. Matagal na ko hindi nakakasilip ng labor code so hindi ko na alam.:)

Paging council...:)

i don't think this was practiced. Kapag sinabi kasing basic pay, ito yung pinaka bayad sa iyo ng employer mo at ito rin ang basehan kung magkano late per hour, overtime per hour, night differential per hour, holiday, absent per day, vacation leave, separation pay, at retirement pay. Kung babaguhin mo ang basic pay dahil magbabawas ka dahil sa absences, magiiba rin ang mga factors na bumabase sa basic pay tulad ng late, overtime, night differential, holiday, absent per day, vacation leave, separation pay at retirement pay. Magiiba na yung payroll structure ng isang empleyado dahil dito.

The same din sa 13th month, yung basic pay na sinasabi ay yung walang dagdag o bawas.

[jackbrng]

Usually nga pag na-increase-an staff within the year, ang 13th month pay is equal to last basic salary. Di na compute basic per month...

mali po ito. disadvantageous sa employer ang ganitong sistema. basta i-total lang ang basic pay from jan o kung kelan sya nag start ng employment hanggang december then divide by 12, yun na ang 13th month pay ng empleyado. Wala ng idadagdag, ibabawas o averaging, papahirapan nyo lang ang pagkwenta ng 13th month

[Galactus-1]

Wala ng idadagdag, ibabawas o averaging, papahirapan nyo lang ang pagkwenta ng 13th month

Ganun din naman yun eh. When you add the basic salary salary from Jan to Dec (kunwari employed yung employee for the whole year), then you divide by 12, to get the 13th month, then that's called averaging, hehehe.

[council]

strictly speaking:

(a) "Thirteenth-month pay" shall mean one twelfth (1/12) of the basic salary of an employee within a calendar year;

(b) "Basic salary" shall include all remunerations or earnings paid by an employer to an employee for services rendered but may not include cost-of-living allowances granted pursuant to Presidential Decree No. 525 or Letter of Instructions No. 174, profit-sharing payments, and all allowances and monetary benefits which are not considered or integrated as part of the regular or basic salary of the employee at the time of the promulgation of the Decree on December 16, 1975.

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As per http://www.chanrobles.com/revised13thmonthpayguidelines.htm --

The "basic salary" of an employee for the purpose of computing the 13th month pay shall include all remunerations or earning paid by this employer for services rendered but does not include allowances and monetary benefits which are not considered or integrated as part of the regular or basic salary, such as the cash equivalent of unused vacation and sick leave credits, overtime, premium, night differential and holiday pay, and cost-of-living allowances. However, these salary-related benefits should be included as part of the basic salary in the computation of the 13th month pay if by individual or collective agreement, company practice or policy, the same are treated as part of the basic salary of the employees.

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Bottom line, total income earned for the whole year (may or may not include OT, etc), divided by 12 should be the basis for the 13th month pay.

Or para mas madali para sa lahat, and as a sign of goodwill by the company, one month's gross salary may be given as the 13th month pay.

[bliss15]

panu pag probation ka?

[council]

panu pag probation ka?

the law does not distinguish or discriminate regular vs probationary employees. they are entitled as long as they have completed at least 1 month of service.

[johnmaxwell]

mali po ito. disadvantageous sa employer ang ganitong sistema. basta i-total lang ang basic pay from jan o kung kelan sya nag start ng employment hanggang december then divide by 12, yun na ang 13th month pay ng empleyado. Wala ng idadagdag, ibabawas o averaging, papahirapan nyo lang ang pagkwenta ng 13th month

I agree with the process that you stated, and that is what is in the law. Kaya nga sabi ko, collect all the payslip and compute from there.
What I'm just saying, is that some companies are generous enough to give 13th month pay equivalent to current salary. Fortunately, most of my employers are like that.

[aicute12]

Sa madaling salita, kung ano ang basic mo, yun ang 13th month pay mo, not unlness lumagpas na ang mga bonus mo sa threshold dahil may tax na ang 13th month pay mo.

[naia]

What I'm just saying, is that some companies are generous enough to give 13th month pay equivalent to current salary. Fortunately, most of my employers are like that.

this is correct, in our company at least. i had an increase september last year and yet i received my 13th mo w/c is equivalent to my basic salary (new).

agree w council too. i've learned all of these when we filed a complaint to our late company.