HP Phils cuts 10% of employees' salary across the board

[mark_mark]

My friend from HP told me this. They were asked to sign a certain document. Their salaries were slashed to 10% across the board.

[TheEndofDays]

Baka naman sa account na mahina ang affected lang yan. Wala na nga increase for this year bawas sweldo pa! Or baka naman ang friend mo is at management level so across the board for management level.

[cyanide09]

better than being laid off... :)

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[real madrid]

baka sa matataas na ng sweldo yan
yung tipong na sa 6digits na, kung
mawalan man sila ok lang buhay
na buhay pa din sila, pero kung ikaw
na baguhan pa lang ..... no way!

[immortalscythe]

Baka naman sa account na mahina ang affected lang yan. Wala na nga increase for this year bawas sweldo pa! Or baka naman ang friend mo is at management level so across the board for management level.

ang alam ko lang eh no increase for this year pero wala pa ako nababalitaan about slashing 10% of their salary.. ouch.. sakit naman nun

[lockjaw]

sabi din to ng friend ko
para daw maprevent *** lay off

[real madrid]

^ oo nga naman kesa walang work

saka kung bumuti naman ulit ang hp sila din

ang makikinabang.

[TheEndofDays]

Confirmed na nga ito. Narinig ko na sa ibang kilala ko.

[lockjaw]

they have tax shield naman eh so ok lang siguro..

[angelized]

nde ****, 5% and 2.5% lang.

[angelized]

sabi sa news, sa sports din daw uso na 'to... f1, nfl, nba.... tsk tsk tsk

[LodRose]

confirmed ang salary cut sabi nung kakilala ko sa HP, talagang they are trying hard to make sure they don't have to resort to letting go of people.

[riandrew]

grabe! lahat ng tagaHP affected?

so wala ding magaganap na increase this year?

wachumean 5% and 2.5%?

[sickshadow]

hey raindrew - steady - lets not discuss this hear - sure eyesore e. from your post i would assume you're working for HP? Which bundle? tell me please so i can help

[sickshadow]

hey raindrew & all - steady - lets not discuss this here - eyesore e. from your post i would assume you're working for HP? which bunle/team PM me please.

[Pickheart]

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[cHaSeR]

My friend from HP told me this. They were asked to sign a certain document. Their salaries were slashed to 10% across the board.

So you mean someone earning a monthly salary of 30,000 is now earning 3,000/month?

[wacky_wacks]

Hindi naman siguro 3,000. Slashed to yun pinagbasehan mo, it should have been slashed by, tama ba? Kasi kung 90% yun reduction nun salary, umalis na siguro sila =)

[neni0hk]

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[council]

My friend from HP told me this. They were asked to sign a certain document. Their salaries were slashed to 10% across the board.

So far all I've read in this thread are all hearsay:


Narinig ko na sa ibang kilala ko.
sabi nung kakilala ko sa HP
sabi din to ng friend ko


Anyone from HP here who can directly confirm? Kung wala, chismis lang ito.

Is this voluntary?

Paano na ang provision ng law regarding non-diminution of benefits?

[neni0hk]

SOBC is Standards of Business Conduct. What we see, what we hear, what we feel, when we leave HP's premises, we leave it there. :)

[LodRose]

@council - nga naman :P

HP is keeping mum about it at wala pa ring press release hanggang ngayon pero EMO ng EMO yung mga tatamaan/tinamaan

3/3 sa kakilala ko "confirmed" - gets naman nila kung bakit - though i doubt may magreklamo pa kung mabawasan man ang suweldo so long as they keep their jobs.

[delano]

Yep sabi rin ng "friend ko" who works at HP :D

All across the board, but they're still hiring for some projects daw.

He told me the cut percentage, but I have forgotten it.

[council]

I talked to someone from HP. Hindi pa raw sigurado kung tatamaan ang Philippine operations. Management was still talking with HR regarding the legal aspect of this matter.

[Deltaboy]

One of my sisters works there, and yes, she will have a pay cut.

[w910i]

hi all just to confirm *** po, a friend of mine (Team Lead in HP) told and confirmed me that there will be a slash in their salary rate, and they need to sign a weaver,... the impact is not only here in the philippines but also to those country where hp resides too... sad noh? its better than laying off diba? pero it's not 10% ,its 5% ... hehehe ... :depressed:

[council]

A waiver might not work.



ART. 100. Prohibition against elimination or diminution of benefits. - Nothing in this Book shall be construed to eliminate or in any way diminish supplements, or other employee benefits being enjoyed at the time of promulgation of this Code.

[mark_mark]

yup this is confirmed. I don't think they didn't review the legal aspect of this before implementing. There has to be some logical & legal justification kaysa naman sa mawalan sila ng trabaho.

[LodRose]

A waiver might not work.

ART. 100. Prohibition against elimination or diminution of benefits. - Nothing in this Book shall be construed to eliminate or in any way diminish supplements, or other employee benefits being enjoyed at the time of promulgation of this Code.

who will have the right to complain? i guess if okay lang sa mga andun (which is signified by the waiver kung meron talaga), then nobody from the outside may intervene.

ano ba sanction ng violation nito if ever? potential closure of total HP operations sa pinas? e di ba mas malala yun?

[sunsets]

i'm not sure if wage is considered as a benefit, but Chapter 4 of the labor code states that

Art. 113. Wage deduction. No employer, in his own behalf or in behalf of any person, shall make any deduction from the wages of his employees, except:

In cases where the worker is insured with his consent by the employer, and the deduction is to recompense the employer for the amount paid by him as premium on the insurance;

For union dues, in cases where the right of the worker or his union to check-off has been recognized by the employer or authorized in writing by the individual worker concerned; and

In cases where the employer is authorized by law or regulations issued by the Secretary of Labor and Employment.

http://www.dole.gov.ph/laborcode/book3.asp

[council]

i'm not sure if wage is considered as a benefit, but Chapter 4 of the labor code states that

Art. 113. Wage deduction. No employer, in his own behalf or in behalf of any person, shall make any deduction from the wages of his employees, except:

In cases where the worker is insured with his consent by the employer, and the deduction is to recompense the employer for the amount paid by him as premium on the insurance;
http://www.dole.gov.ph/laborcode/book3.asp

This is an "AND" clause, so both must occur. However they are not related to an issue of wage deduction because of cost-cutting, etc etc. It specifically refers to "recompense" (to return or pay back).

[climaxcooldud]

any more news about this...totoo ba ito?

[sickshadow]

This is an "AND" clause, so both must occur. However they are not related to an issue of wage deduction because of cost-cutting, etc etc. It specifically refers to "recompense" (to return or pay back).

regardless whether 'and/or', I don't think there's anything else DOLE much so the govt can do. Tama na legal jargon. Useless yan basta nagtitipid and companya, unless unconstitutional ang proseso. I dont think a company as big as HP will risk doing such. and I'm sure Mr. Council-know-everything would agree on that.

I would rather give-up a portion of my salary than think about an impending doom losing my job, or err, someone else's in the Americas because the company didn't meet its cost cutting targets due to a prohibition in the Labor Code that 'simply' requires the employees 'consent' to a pay-cut.

Hayaan nyo muna mag handle ang HP neto at ang mga tao nila, total hindi naman kayo mababawasan ng sweldo e, lumalaki pa lalo issue sa mga chismis na hindi totoo.

In the end, magkita kita na lang tayo sa NLRC and DOLE Arbitration kung may magrereklamo man.

Your take Mr Know Everything Council?

[speedcuber]

My friend from HP told me this. They were asked to sign a certain document. Their salaries were slashed to 10% across the board.

This is so NOT true. Period. Your friend is exaggerating. Unless he/she is a non-Filipino higher level manager, pwede pa sigurong sabihing 'partly true.'

[council]

regardless whether 'and/or', I don't think there's anything else DOLE much so the govt can do. Tama na legal jargon. Useless yan basta nagtitipid and companya, unless unconstitutional ang proseso. I dont think a company as big as HP will risk doing such. and I'm sure Mr. Council-know-everything would agree on that.


A company as big as HP might not risk going against the law. Then again, as it has been seen and experienced in the past, as long as someone has the means, he can do pretty much everything to go around and/or trample upon the law.

Oh, the government won't do anything immediately. But even if 99% of the workforce go for the scheme, it will take only 1 person to complain and the rest will definitely be affected.

The issue isn't about constitutionality. A diminution of pay is prejudicial to the employee and amounts to constructive dismissal.

I would rather give-up a portion of my salary than think about an impending doom losing my job, or err, someone else's in the Americas because the company didn't meet its cost cutting targets due to a prohibition in the Labor Code that 'simply' requires the employees 'consent' to a pay-cut.

Hmm.. prohibition in the LC that requires employees' consent to a pay cut?

Got lost in translation there.

Wala yatang ganung prohibition or even provision.


Hayaan nyo muna mag handle ang HP neto at ang mga tao nila, total hindi naman kayo mababawasan ng sweldo e, lumalaki pa lalo issue sa mga chismis na hindi totoo.

You may be right on that.

In the end, magkita kita na lang tayo sa NLRC and DOLE Arbitration kung may magrereklamo man.

There have already been cases decided by the LA & NLRC about this matter, up to the CA and SC.

Bottom line: A diminution of pay is prejudicial to the employee and amounts to constructive dismissal.

Your take Mr Know Everything Council?

Nothing more to say so far, Mr-Know-Nothing-sickshadow.

I base my discussions on established doctrine, not speculation. I admit I don't know everything but I make my case with what I do know that is provided for by law.

[Pickheart]

Natatawa ako sa thread na 'to. Pati mga hindi naman taga-HP, nagkakagulo. :glee: Parang fishball & kikiam lang... "may sawsawan". :glee:

[maze_gwapo]

Guys, what happen na? Natuloy ba ang salary deduction for all employees???

[metropolitan]

if i am an HP employee at wala namang mapupuntahang ibang employer ok na ang 10% pay cut than be out of work.