Forever Living Products

[tofi]

My friend wants some opinion regarding her entry to Forever Living Products. I can't really answer her because I don't know really the flow of operation in that company. But I received series of invitations to be a part of this group and I just can't work but to turn down the offers. Imagine you don't sell the products alone but you actually earn a lot.

Do you have any ideas regarding the marketing plan of this business? I heard that there are a lot of people who really progressed with this kind. Do this badly need a very good sales talk to gain people's interest?! Wanna know. thanks.

[CJoseph]

You don't necessarily need to have a good sales talk to succeed in this business. You just have to know the business and its products because its products speak for itself. They have very good and effective products. With regards to the marketing plan, they have a car and travel incentive, global sponsorship, profit sharing and the best of all the royalty income privilege. If you really want to know more about it you can attend the seminar at greenhills. Just text me at 0917-7918873 or call me at 5310471.

[jazzy]

If you want to be a tindero o tindera, go with this business :) It is a stable company, with a very good products.
But it is very hard to earn a living with this company compare to others. You have to beat a QUOTA, or else... :bigcry:

Prepare also a stack room for their products if your friend is planning to start a business with them :rotflmao:

[rains_delight]

I should say I was a victim of the network marketing of forever living.

But the only thing that pissed me off when I was invited was my recruiter did not inform me that I will undergo a training for half day with forever living. He just told me that someone needed the services of an accountant.

I had a training with them, unfortunately. But their training has no basis. They did not give me the source of information they use for the training and most of the trainors do not know what they are talking about.

At the end of that mini seminar, they asked me if I can shell out almost P 10,000.00 so I can earn 2 points and become a supervisor.

Yes, the members receive large amount of money. They supported that by their check vouchers and photocopied check vouchers.

But if someone wants to succeed and earn more money, they have to quit job and sell their products. In our present economy, do you think consumer will buy a P400.00 worth of toothpaste and do you think people will prioritize their products?

[brownpau]

I reached Assistant Supervisor position and recruited two people before I realized that as much as HALF of the money I was putting into it was just going to pay the upline, and not for the product. Therefore, the only way to justify the enormous price of the products, was to recruit a bigger downline.

The vicious cycle continues downward from there until either (1) the market is saturated, or (2) you find someone at the bottom of the chain who doesn't mind paying over a hundred pesos for toothpaste which doesn't even have flouride.

Additionally, my upline misrepresented certain products. Aloe Vera activator and Aloe Vera Jelly, which should be for external use only, were being positioned as topical cure-alls for anything, including mouth sores, kulitiw and sore eyes, ear infections, and sinusitis. I was even dumb enough at one point to use the "activator" as eye drops. Araykupo, ang hapdi. The product testimonial sheet handed out at seminars claimed that Aloe Vera Juice could cure just about any viral/bacterial disease on the face of God's good earth.

I'll say this, though: Aoe Vera Gel / Juice is an excellent purgative and cleansing agent. If you have constipation, stomach trouble, or just want your digestive tract to feel cleaner, I highly recommend it. Also, Aloe Vera Jelly is a pretty good local moisturizer.

I'm still selling. :laugh:

[tadeus]

...with regards to brownpau I believe the products...

...the only thing I hate about them is the way they recruit people...

...why don't they just be frank?...

...they are making you think like a hopeless dreamer...

...think Ferrari...

[KuHRant^21]

I'll start by saying that the products are indeed good because I've tried them, but the potentials for great wealth and to become like Jun Kintanar, Edmund Ramos or Chris StaMaria aren't there anymore. There were just fortunate enough to be there in the start, before the boom. I was alerady a "Manager" when the reality of it all just suddenly hit me.

These are the things that I didn't like:

1. I don't understand why Sec. Golez doesn't branch out! I mean the whole Philippines has to go to GH just to hear a good seminar, and see all those "proofs".
2. You bring all your prospects to GH to listen to the OPP, and go through the task of squeezing through the crowded area. Now I know how it feels to be like sardinas.
3. Going all the way to GH or any other product center to buy the products. Sometimes the line can be so long especially during the end of the month where the distributors try to hit their quotas.
4. The monthly quotas!! You don't get your check if you don't hit your monthly quota of 4CC! (now that's big). And they don't explain this during the OPP's! they usually tell you when you become a supervisor already.
5. The tendency to frontload because of the start - up kit. A lot of products, but you don't get to use them all, and this is also the effect of hitting monthly quotas.
6. The potential for wealth accumulation isn't there anymore.. were talking about the whole world >> open in 78 countries already!! What does a network marketing company need in order to flourish? People right? You do the math.
7. Very (x2) long seminars and trainings!
8. You have to give up so much time just to do the business!
9. The bisiness is 80% recruitment and 20% retail. I don't like selling, even if some would call it "sharing the products".
10. The company started in 1978, therefore its marketing plan is as old and unrevised.

The reason why I decided to leave, even after earning already 5 figures every month was.. well, to put it simply, I found a (whole lot) better opportunity, and the reasons as stated above.

After extensive research and sifting, here are some of the features of this company I have found to be a very luctrative :

- The privilege of being a world pioneer
- No monthly quotas
- (therefore) No frontloading
- No long seminars to attend to
- E-commerce (ideal for globalization)
- Has a consumable product (ideal for repeat orders and residual income)
- Accepts credit cards
- The product is delivered to you, wherever you are, via FedEx (talk about convenience!)
- You earn in US Dollars Per Week
- It is totally a GROUND FLOOR opportunity. The company started its operations just this March 2001 and this is the first country where it launched in, so basically, the whole world is still an untapped market!
- BFAD, S.E.C. approved (totally legitimate)

One hard fact about any (legit) MLM company is, the ones who make the most money are the ones who positioned themselves when it started and before it boomed.

I could assist you with anything you need to know.

[tadeus]

...KuHRant^21...

...I use FL prods because of aloe (4 hair purpose) anyway I just like to ask (medyo out na sa thread title) if it is still possible to earn millions as of now @ FLP?...

[KuHRant^21]

The market is not (yet) saturated for FLP, but then it is fast approaching that scenario due to the number of people already distributing it. (around 1M) so if you start now, the major piece of the market pie has already been consumed by the pioneers and you'll be left with little more than scraps. Not even those people earning 200T would rise to 1M/month. So to answer your question rather bluntly: NOPE

( but of course they won't tell you that. New distributors run on false hopes that someday, they too, will be able to purchase a Ferrari, or even a new car for that matter)

[tadeus]

...so is the Ferrari reward true?...

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

Originally posted by KuHRant^21

4. The monthly quotas!! You don't get your check if you don't hit your monthly quota of 4CC! (now that's big). And they don't explain this during the OPP's! they usually tell you when you become a supervisor already.
Hey KuHRant^21 di ko pala natanong sayo, pano kung hindi na nga na-hit yung quota di hindi makukuha yung check, eh san mapupunta ngayon yung kinita nila? masasama ba yun for the next month check nila? :|

[KuHRant^21]

Tadeus: The Ferrari of Jun K. isn't a reward of the company.. he bought it. The money he got from a really big bonus and plus his monthly income. This is an example of poor money management. Well, I really can't blame him.. he wasn't well off and so you tend to spend and uncontrollably on worthless materials of status if you find yourself suddenly acquiring so much money and don't know what to do with it. I heard he's into this new MLM company.

CLaire: Kung hindi mo naabot ang quota for that month (4CC, approx. P30T), Yung money na pinaghirapan at pinagpawisan mo ay mapupunta na sa upline na naka abot ng quota.

[crazy_fool_22]

KuHRant^21
you seem to know everything about FLP huh :) ... I used to be a member but not anymore... member ka ba??

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

crazy_fool_22 he's a former member..... ooopppssss sorry KuHRant^21 intrimitida ba ko? ehehehe.... :bungi:

[KuHRant^21]

Crazy_fool_22 : yup, I was.. I was able to hit 'supervisor' in 1 1/2 weeks, and 'manager' in 3 months. Well, of course, like any business, I gave my all.. but then the reality of it all just suddenly, and fortunately, sunk in. That business vehicle that I was into (FLP) wasn't going in sync with my efforts.. It's like I'm driving a 1 speed car, and reving at redline sa highway.. I was going somewhere indeed, but not at the pace that I expected. very slow. In order to succeed in business, you need to have 200%; 100% must come from you and 100% from the business vehicle that you've chosen.

So, I decided to start with a newer and a more lucrative business venture, and right now, I'm very very pleased with the results.

[tadeus]

Originally posted by KuHRant^21
Tadeus: The Ferrari of Jun K. isn't a reward of the company.. he bought it. The money he got from a really big bonus and plus his monthly income. This is an example of poor money management. Well, I really can't blame him.. he wasn't well off and so you tend to spend and uncontrollably on worthless materials of status if you find yourself suddenly acquiring so much money and don't know what to do with it. I heard he's into this new MLM company.

[quota.

...so the Ferrari reward is not true...

...I knew it!!! I knew it!!! I knew it!!! ...

...so the FLP person who tries to recruit us is a liar...

[tadeus]

...Do they know this phrase?...

...PANA Truth in Advertising...

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

ehehehe tadeus baket? sabi ba ng nagre-recruit sayo FLP ang nagbigay sa kanya ng ferrari? wow!!!! alam ko kahit level 3 ng car incentive eh hindi makakapagbigay ng ferrari sa isang member..... hhhmmmm

[tadeus]

Originally posted by CLaiRe_ChiLL
ehehehe tadeus baket? sabi ba ng nagre-recruit sayo FLP ang nagbigay sa kanya ng ferrari? wow!!!! alam ko kahit level 3 ng car incentive eh hindi makakapagbigay ng ferrari sa isang member..... hhhmmmm

...yeah im sure its FLP...

...but if it is not FLP's policy to reward a Ferrari then they should tell their people not to make stories just to have some new recruits...

...a car?...yes!...a Pajero?...uuhmm,maybe!...a Ferrari...Are You Bill Gates?!?!...

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

ahahaha..... malamang yung nagrecruit sayo, yun na ang gumawa ng kwento.... kasi wala naman sa policy ng FLP ang magbigay ng ferrari eh, any car will do pero depende pa rin kung saang level ka pumasok but still not the ferrari thing, sobrang mahal non..... wawa ka naman, siguro yung nagre-recruit sayo naghahabol ng points kaya nya naisip sabihin na FLP will give you a ferrari kung maging no. 1 distributor ka, tsk tsk tsk....

[tadeus]

...I think they are dreaming too much!...:glee:

[crazy_fool_22]

wait, wait... so you mean talagang hindi totoo yung Ferrari ni Jun K.? eh ano yung mga pinagsasasabi niya? i happened to have a talk to him one time, and major pa-impress siya with his car, blah blah..... so ano yun, all lies??
eh waht about yung Rally thing? yung profit sharing??
Yung Upline ng nag-invite sa'kin ngayon, when I left for a couple of months naka Nissan exalta lang, tapos when I came back after 4 months naka BMW na! I saw it with my own eyes, actually sumakay pa nga ako eh!!
credible ba talaga yung mga yun??? now Im beginning to wonder... hmmmmmm...... :rolleyes:

[BadGiRL]

Toink.

Jun Kintanar has the ferrari from Flp din..sa kita nya! So totoo may ferrari sya!

Yung profit sharing..totoo din yun!

[BadGiRL]

The products are good!

I joined back in 1999. Kaso..... I realized it's either school or that business. I chose school! I don't plan to become those managers who live, breath and eat flp! Hindi naman sila doctor..e paano if yung binili na product e d pala puwede sa customer d ba?

And nagiging fanatical sobra upline ko! feel nya, dapat i'm like him. :p No way!!!! I want my degree!

But darn, the aloe lips is the best!!!! The best lip balm out there! Walang biro! Kahit ano pang expensive brands... pinaka ok talaga yang aloe lips na yan!

May mga bmw eklat nga sila...e iilan lang sila darating sa point na yan! And Golez sucks. Feeling ever. :p I don't want to be business-related with that... hmmm.... kind of a politician!

RE Jun Kintanar... he's actually my upline.. well..basta nasa line ko! Anyway, so he has the money and the car...so???

Btw, may anak na ba sila ni gloria?

[sadirmata]

of course, yung ferrari ni jun kintanar binili niya mula sa sarili niyang pera, hindi ibinigay o galing sa flp. although siguro sinasabing ganon na mula sa flp yung car kasi nga yung pera na pinambili ni jun k nun eh kita niya sa flp!

yan ang isang ayoko sa recruiting strategy ng flp. masyado silang emphasize sa pera at lalo na sa mga kotse. obsessed sila masyado sa mga kotse! puro na lang de-kotse ang mga ipinapakitang pictures. bakit ba sa kotse lang natutuon sila? ang pagkakaroon lang ba ng kotse ang mahalaga o ang meaning nila ng pagiging maraming pera o ng mayaman? puro na lang kotse. ipakita man lang sana yung mga managers na may maganda nang kabuhayan, may magandang bahay at mga lupa o maraming natulongang kamag-anak, napapag-aral na kapatid o kaanak, natutulongang ibang tao kaysa naman puro na lang kotse kotse kotse at travel abroad pa! puro materialismo! bakit hindi na ba magkasya sa kanila yung incentive na isang kotse at kailangan pang bumili ng marami at mas mamahal kagaya ng bmw, benz, ferrari at iba pa? aanhin mo naman ang ferrari sa pilipinas? si jun kintanar ba nailalabas niya ang ferrari niya? o decoration lang sa garahe niya? (eh kung ilabas mo yan malamang carnap kaagad, di ba?)

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

Originally posted by crazy_fool_22
wait, wait... so you mean talagang hindi totoo yung Ferrari ni Jun K.? eh ano yung mga pinagsasasabi niya? i happened to have a talk to him one time, and major pa-impress siya with his car, blah blah..... so ano yun, all lies??
eh waht about yung Rally thing? yung profit sharing??
Yung Upline ng nag-invite sa'kin ngayon, when I left for a couple of months naka Nissan exalta lang, tapos when I came back after 4 months naka BMW na! I saw it with my own eyes, actually sumakay pa nga ako eh!!
credible ba talaga yung mga yun??? now Im beginning to wonder... hmmmmmm...... :rolleyes:
hhmmm wonder of what? you're talkin' about Rachelle Chua right?

[LinuxMandrake]

regarding this particular thread, i'm also a member of FLP. it's not true that all the members there are fanatics (though i have to give it to some na talagang aggresive sa recruiting). my sister is a manager there under din ni jun kintanar, actually under the caluag group. though it is true that some of the products do not apply to some clients, FLP have doctors who give out free advice about the products. kung sinabi ng downline na meron siyang sakit or allergy, it's safe to say na hindi ipupush *** product sa kanya di ba? i'm saying this because my son was in a 50/50 condition and lived because my sister helped me to cope with the financial strain, all because of what she's getting in FLP. try to understand the people who more or less show of their cars. kasi naman, sino bang hindi magyayabang nun, dati ka lang kargador eh ngayon naka-civic ka na di ba? puti pa, contrast sa kulay nya (hi to jun enduma, hehehe). so cut them some slack naman. they're only enjoying what they have now that before was only a hard to reach dream. so if you want to help your family join na kayo dito. 100% walang raket. wala akong galit sa mga taong hindi naapreciate ang FLP, they just don't fully comprehend the power that can be bestowed upon them if and when they join. karen, thanks a million for the millionth time.:D :D :D

[crazy_fool_22]

Well, actually, yeah, sobrang inemphasize nila yung "money" and "cars" and "houses" na nakuha nila thru FLP.. kumbaga yun na lang yung compensation sa hirap dibah? Ok sa ok yung business, yun nga lang, you always have to maintain certain points monthly, whatsoever, if not, di ka kikita diba? pero if you really are hard working, nothing is impossible.. kaya believe ako sa mga managers na sa FLP.. :handsdown:

But just the same, I dont regret quitting, coz like BadGiRL has put it, its either school or the business.. And I prefer to go to school.. But if I could do both of the things at the same time, i would, i mean, why not!? it's not at all a bad idea if you really wanna earn extra bucks! :)

Ano na ba bago ngayon sa FLP? I heard that the main office at Ortigas is being renovated...?


CLaiRe_ChiLL
yeah, i was talking about Rachelle Chua.... say, just a thought, do you happen to be a downline of James Calinawan? la lang...

[LinuxMandrake]

*** ferrari ni jun kintanar, that's for real. nabili nya un from chuck mathay. for 10M i think. nasakyan nila oliver un and may pic sila. ang baba nung kotse hanep. nung dinala nya sa tagaytay *** ferrari, he brought it by truck, baka magasgasan, sayang *** 10M nya:cool:

[sadirmata]

Originally posted by LinuxMandrake
*** ferrari ni jun kintanar, that's for real. nabili nya un from chuck mathay. for 10M i think. nasakyan nila oliver un and may pic sila. ang baba nung kotse hanep. nung dinala nya sa tagaytay *** ferrari, he brought it by truck, baka magasgasan, sayang *** 10M nya:cool:

so, hindi ba pala brand new yung ferrari na nabili? second hand ba? dati bang pag-aari ni chuck mathay o si mathay ay siya yung parang agent o salesperson na nagbenta?

bakit ba bumili si jun kintanar ng ferrari, trip lang ba niya? o pang-props niya bilang very successful na flp man for advertising na rin? o baka nainggit kaya siya sa mga managers sa hong kong na puro mga ferrari at porsche yung wheels nila na ipinapakita sa promotional vcd?

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

Originally posted by crazy_fool_22
Ano na ba bago ngayon sa FLP? I heard that the main office at Ortigas is being renovated...?


CLaiRe_ChiLL
yeah, i was talking about Rachelle Chua.... say, just a thought, do you happen to be a downline of James Calinawan? la lang...
Well yes some part of it was being renovated, and the product center is on the ground floor na maganda na sya ngayon....

Well my upline manager is Aris Listana under kay upline Oliver Caluag.

Pero medyo lie low muna ko..... basta :bungi:

[KuHRant^21]

Originally posted by LinuxMandrake
*** ferrari ni jun kintanar, that's for real. nabili nya un from chuck mathay. for 10M i think. nasakyan nila oliver un and may pic sila. ang baba nung kotse hanep. nung dinala nya sa tagaytay *** ferrari, he brought it by truck, baka magasgasan, sayang *** 10M nya:cool:

well, it's more like 15M. I'm a friend of Mel Mathay's grandson and former FLP manager. I think his decision to purchase it was partly strategy. A company almost reaching saturation definitely needs this sort of boost.

[crazy_fool_22]

Originally posted by CLaiRe_ChiLL

Well yes some part of it was being renovated, and the product center is on the ground floor na maganda na sya ngayon....

Well my upline manager is Aris Listana under kay upline Oliver Caluag.

Pero medyo lie low muna ko..... basta :bungi:

wow naman!! too bad di ko na nakita yung bagong office.... :( it must be nice to hang-out there ngayon.. tsk! sayang!!

Ah! si Manager Oliver Caluag pala upline mo... galing galing naman!

lie low ka.....?? ganon? kelan pa?? sayang naman... ala lang....

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

hey crossline crazy_fool_22 ngayon lie low na ko.... as in this month.... wala lang.... ewan ko ba, basta parang FLP is not for me, di ba nga may kasabihan na FLP is not for everybody.... parang hirap kasi kong mag-offer ng products eh, ikaw? kelan ka pa nag lie low? and why? grabe question and answer na no.... btw may pajero na nga pala sina upline Oliver and Karen Caluag nilabas nila this month pina-drive pa nga sa ibang downlines nya eh.... oohhh well....

[sadirmata]

Originally posted by LinuxMandrake
try to understand the people who more or less show of their cars. kasi naman, sino bang hindi magyayabang nun, dati ka lang kargador eh ngayon naka-civic ka na di ba?

i do understand yung mga tao na nagkakotse. OK lang kung magyabang sila kasi meron naman talaga silang ipagyayabang. ang pinapatungkolan ko ay ang FLP mismo na nag-e-exploit sa bagay na nagkakotse ang ilan sa mga distributor nila. yung FLP ang nagyayabang ng puro kotse at pera at iba pa bilang part ng recruitment at marketing strategy nila. yung FLP ang gumagawa ng promotional videos na ganun wherein puro pagpapayabang ng kotse ng managers, doon sa mga ipinapakita na mga scrapbooks at folders na may mga pictures ng mga managers katabi o yakap ang kanilang mga mamahaling kotse at photocopies ng kanilang cheques.... hmmm... sabagay naman kanya-kanyang style o strategy yan...

[tadeus]

...di kaya'y company car 'yun ng FLP para...hmmmmm...:rolleyes:

[crazy_fool_22]

CLaiReChiLL

Yeah, you're right, sabi nga nila hindi naman lahat pwedeng mag FLP... pero when I was doing it, ewan ko, hindi naman sa pagmamayabang pero I know I had the potentials.. Yun nga lang no enough time to do so...I didnt have problemw with the recruiting part, I must've had a magnet! hehehe!! Kamuntik ko na ma-hit ang Sup position in a month (and that was May) but I needed to go away on June for awhile... Tapos, ayun, my plan was to continue it when I come back.. Kaso, wala eh, I guess fate has its reasons and ways.....
Anyways, its a normal feeling to feel at times na you dont belong in FLP - I felt that too before when I didnt notice any progress with me.. pero later on, especially sa part when you're really enjoying it, not because of the money but doing your kind of thing and helping others, don mo mafe-feel yung progress!! ewan ko lang sa iba, pero yun ang nangyari sa'kin eh... those were the good 'ol days.. :D
Wow Pajero!! dami na talagang pagbabago sa FLP!! ghee!! tsk! tsk! :sunnysmile:

[crazy_fool_22]

Originally posted by sadirmata


i do understand yung mga tao na nagkakotse. OK lang kung magyabang sila kasi meron naman talaga silang ipagyayabang. ang pinapatungkolan ko ay ang FLP mismo na nag-e-exploit sa bagay na nagkakotse ang ilan sa mga distributor nila. yung FLP ang nagyayabang ng puro kotse at pera at iba pa bilang part ng recruitment at marketing strategy nila. yung FLP ang gumagawa ng promotional videos na ganun wherein puro pagpapayabang ng kotse ng managers, doon sa mga ipinapakita na mga scrapbooks at folders na may mga pictures ng mga managers katabi o yakap ang kanilang mga mamahaling kotse at photocopies ng kanilang cheques.... hmmm... sabagay naman kanya-kanyang style o strategy yan...

It's not that Im defending the side of FLP, but its just the way I understand things...

I think kaya nila pinagmamayabang yung about cars, houses and all the things they get from FLP is somehow part of the strategy to recruit - syempre, sino ba naman ang hindi maa-amaze don diba? And also, diba sa mag seminars nila, they usually ask "May pangarap ka ba?", "Gusto mo bang magkabahay?", "Gusto mo bang magkakotse?", and so forth.... And these questions are mostly followed by "Sa palagay mo, sa normal na trabaho mo, makakamit mo ang mga yan?", "Eh pano na lang ang mga walang pinag-aralan?", "Madali ba ang buhay ngayon?", blah blah...

With the amount of money they get, the houses and cars they buy within a short span of time of working at FLP, they try to imply that it is possible to achieve the impossible, which is a common belief of all who have faith in the business... don't you think so?

As for FLP itself, it's not just sole body... Lahat ng mga tao dyan FLP.. Kaya the bottom line is: manager man yan, Sup, AS or FLP, there's no doubt they are, and will continue on bragging about their cars and houses whatsoever just to keep their business alive... That's the name of the business eh...

And again, it's just the way I understand things... :bookworm2:

[Jedi_Warrior]

So is it still possible for anyone who's joining FLP only now to succeed selling FLP? I asked this question because I have friends who joined FLP but didn't succeed. How does this FLP thing work anyway?

[sadirmata]

hindi naman lahat ng sumasali sa flp ay yumayaman ng ganung kayaman. iilan lang ang sinusuwerte at ang mga ito ay yung mga medyo nauna at mga masisipag at magagaling talaga sa marketing at recruitment.

[Dr_Love]

iilan lang ang sinusuwerte at ang mga ito ay yung mga medyo nauna at mga masisipag at magagaling talaga sa marketing at recruitment..........

At mang-uto!

:D

[sadirmata]

siyempre kasama na rin yan. lahat naman ng business may nauuto at nang-uuto.

[superb]

FLP... i can't understand why they have to hide the 4CC thing... i was a victim of that... some of the things they said in the presentation where lies... or has conditions... like...

you cannot get your inheritance unless you develop an independent 6-3-2 managerial line.

and... about the "no pass-up rule" sh*t... yeah, you will be pushed up in position, but NOT IN THE CHECK...

i.e., if you have just one recruit, and your recruit has also one recruit and so on, and then the last of the line suddenly gets a lot of recruits...

A-B-C-D-E----> when E gets a lot of recruits, he will be a manager, and he will push up A to D... but only in the position. A, B, C, and D will NOT get any check because they are unrecognized managers, right? so why are they saying "No Pass Up Rule"? i can say... f*ck that!!!

they are also making the 14550 a "small amount". yes, it's small if ya earning a whole lot, but the truth is it's very hard to accomplish that right now in lieu of the saturated market.

they keep on having new distributors because of the mindset... they brainwash their AS's, Sup's... like when managers find out that their downlines are either stopping or transferring to another company... THEY SAY... NGAYON KA PA BA BIBITAW... KUNG KAILAN MALAPIT MO NANG MAABOT ANG PANGARAP MO?... OR... NASA GITNA KA NA NG DAGAT, KONTING LANGOY NA LANG YUNG ISLA, NGAYON KA PA BA BABALIK????

well FLP distributors... i got news for you... I GOT THE BOAT RIDE FOR YOU TO REACH THAT ISLAND!!!

FLP has been in it for 11 years in the Phils... and the distributors are about 1.5M... yet they say it's very far from saturation... duh!!! a lot of their distributors are transferring to other MLM companies because their marketing plan is just not up in the times anymore... in short... it's jurassic... like the companies now are New York... FLP is Mesopotamia...

by the way, i know an MLM company which has a better marketing plan... IF YOU'RE INTERESTED... PM me...

i'm out...

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Marked Men album coming out 3rd quarter of 2003...

sh*ttin' on all the mainstream artists and cut them to feces...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid18/p7fd2bf726df61e1e76caaf7e2d0e00a0/fdce38d7.jpg

I'm rappin' since i was Homo Sapien/ Ain't faded by ages perfected by patience/ Words engraved in caves with radiance/ Displayin' science obtained from aliens...

[tadeus]

Originally posted by superb


by the way, i know an MLM company which has a better marketing plan... IF YOU'RE INTERESTED... PM me...



...Kaya pala :glee:

[crazy_fool_22]

uy! buhay pa pala tong thread na 'to...

superb they didnt tell me about the 4cc too... i just figured it out by myself...

to those active members of flp: who are the new managers now? im just curious to know if anyone i know has made it....

[superb]

@tadeus - LOL!!! it's competition...

@crazy - how many are the managers? it's uncountable. yet the interesting thing is... the board where they placed the name of the "twinklers" were removed... that's because... every distributor is getting out of that mess...

did y'all hear the pay checks... Jun K... his check is confidential... they prob'ly tellin' you that his check is around 1.8M or sumthin... but no... it ain't like that... his cousin knew his paycheck... 700K... how bout Richmond Yu... from 130K a month... now what is it... 30K... now tell me whassup with that... all their recruits are transferring to other ventures because of the difficulties they are suffering from that company...

if you want to get at my biz holla at me... PM me or sumthin... my e-mail...

superb@thuglove.com

peez.

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Marked Men album coming out 3rd quarter of 2003...

sh*ttin' on all the mainstream artists and cut them to feces...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid18/p7fd2bf726df61e1e76caaf7e2d0e00a0/fdce38d7.jpg

I'm rappin' since i was Homo Sapien/ Ain't faded by ages perfected by patience/ Words engraved in caves with radiance/ Displayin' science obtained from aliens...

[crazy_fool_22]

superb so the business is going down you mean? tsk! :hopeless:
thanx for the info... just one more question though..
any info about what happened to Rachelle Chua's network?

[earningcenter]

May i join in your discussion, everybody?

When someone is considering networking or MLM , you should first look at the product that the company is selling... wait wait... i am not saying that FLP products are not good, they may or may not, i'll never know coz i haven't tried any of them. Coz i don't believe of buying a toothpaste worth more than 100 peso, c'mon toothpaste is a toothpaste....;)


MLM is bound to succeed if your product is a necessity. Have you guys heard bout butil? Wherein the product is RICE.... yes that everyday thing that we put into our mouth 3 times a day......

Speaking of market saturation, this company has only started last November of 2001, quite young, don't you think? So far we now have more than 10,000 members and 151 depots, hence the market is really big...ang will become bigger because Philippines' poppulation is growing and forever growing.....

We may not have ferrari as incentive..... i mean real incentive, because they are being given away free not bought from your earnings, but we are giving away from a simple bag of rice, cellphones, laptop computers, Nissan New Frontier pick up, trip to USA for 4 with 4000 dollars pocket money to the most grand incentive which is a house and lot with funishing worth 5 million bucks!!! And all this from an investment of Php 850. 00 yes sirs and mams you read it right, Php 850, not 15,000 or 10,000 but Php 850... Interested? email me earningcenter@hatmail.com

By the way i haven't mentioned that our marketing plan will allow you to earn as much as 100 thousand per month, that is aside from the refferal commisions you get, without doing anything!!! Just build the level of network you want and presto...you will be having the monthly earnings of that level how do we do that? Contact me......earningcenter@hotmail.com

[w4nd3r3r]

From what I hear in your discussions I see that you've seen that FLP has its drawbacks. I's like to invite you to our networking company, which unlike FLP only has a one time payment. There are already a lot of members from FLP that have switched to ours because for them it has a better marketing plan. Actually one of our speakers was once a speaker in FLP and was actually already a senior manager there. But even if he was a senior manager in FLP, he says that he wasn't earning that big and upon seeing this networking company he investigated it and decided that it was better and he is now a speaker in our company.

Our company only started 17 months ago but has already produced around 400 millionares and already has a satellite office in Hong Kong and is establishing offices in Singapore and other countries.

If you don't believe what I'm saying you can contact me at 09198546183 and see for yourself which company is better.

[Strange_Dejavu]

I just noticed that those people who dont have anything good to say about FLP in this thread seems to be connected to some other MLM company... hmmm...

regarding Jun K's ferrari, totoo yun, ive ridden it twice already and all i can say if that a guy who was very poor 6 years ago was able to buy a ferrari (also an SLK, 2 expeditions, a Navigator, Benz E-class, eclipse) a house, help thousands to have better lives, and give hope to hopeless people... well... wala na ako masabi, ewan ko nalang sa inyo. puro gasgas yung ferrari walang pakialam si Jun K kahit sino pinapasakay nya... yung mga ibang mapoporma jan, TOYOTA lang na naka-set-up, ayaw na pahawak!

Jun K is also planning to complete F.L.P (ferrari, lamborghini, and Porsche) alam nyo hindi sa mayabang sya eh, sobrang simpleng tao lang nun. pinpakita lang nya na walang imposible sa business nya.

racket ba? kumikita lang yung nasa taas? i suggest you look at your corporate structure... ano shape? triangle diba? pyramid? who earns the most? the CEO, the guy at the top. then the president, the VP's... who earns the scraps? the entry level employees... tsk tsk...

why look at those who failed? sino ba gagayahin mo si dodot jaworski o si michael jordan? the reason why so many people are putting FLP down is because it is the NUMBER 1 MLM in the philippines and 2 in the world. Their sales have exceeded the Bilion dollar mark and is among the TOP 500 companies in the Philippines. why join others who are just starting? just to be AT THE TOP? gusto nyo din pala manlamang eh... dun ka nalang sa pinaka stable diba? gano katagal kaya tatagal yang mga iba? di natin alam...

will it require you to work hard? of course! subukan mo matulog sa opisina mo sisante ka kaagad... is it perfect? of course not, NOTHING is. it just has more good than bad... is it worth it? definitely.

i suggest you look at www.mlm.ch, it is a very informative lecture about mlm (not FLP) done by dr.Charles King, harvard Phd in business. wala naman masama tumingin diba? :D

[Strange_Dejavu]

Oh, yung mga lumilipat from FLP, inyong inyo na yan! tama lang na mapunta sa inyo yan dahil di magtatagal lilipat ulit yan.proud pa kayo na galing sa FLP no? hehehe :D

[superb]

whats your position "strange deja vu"? looks like you'll fight to death just for defending your company. are you a manager?

think of this: how did FLP start? the point is big things originate from small beginnings. that proves all your points WRONG.

have you heard all the failures that FLP has produced because of saturation? these people invited every damn person they could, even the peeps they don't know, but what happened? that's what happened to my upline. he was working his butt off, he dropped all his subjects in school, recruited everyday. what happened? more than half of the people he talked to already knew about it. don't look at the companies bright side, spot it's weaknesses. it ruined the life of my upline. he got kicked out of school. all because the managers brainwashed him that he could do it. that he should not stop swimming coz he is already at the middle of his destination. this is just a story out of the thousand FLP has created because of blunt deception. WHY THEN DON'T YOU PRESENT THE 4CC IN YOUR PRESENTATION? that itself is deception. how about the no pass up rule? why can't you tell prospects that they will NOT GET ANY INCOME? how about inheritance? that you need to have an independent 6-3-2 line to avail the incentive? MAKE THEM READ YOUR COMPANY PROFILE, because it is ALL THERE!!!

question: why do you think FLP wants you to "kidnap" people? coz they all know that the people you will invite has in one point already heard of the business. that is saturation. you said that it has to be 5 YEARS for the company to be stable. can't you realize that you are not in the pioneering stage anymore?

picture this: pearl shakes. zagu started these. then a lot of it followed, like orbitz. if you were a businessman, would you venture in a business where there are already established competitors and countless stalls of these located everywhere? if you're from FLP, then your answer has to be... YES!!! you want to be in a business where all the others have been in, therefore providing you a little space for success. how sad. you are blinded.

wake up. i pity those in FLP who are slaves of managers who GIVE CONSTANT MOTIVATION. managers know that these distributors have less than 10% chance of making it. 11 years. think how many people have heard your business. i'm getting people from FLP since i want to save them the difficulties they will eventually succumb to. "strange deja vu", how many supervisors are not getting their paychecks? i wish you could eventually open your close mind. accept the fact that your possible recruits will hear other MLM's and transfer. then you'll suffer the difficulties. "strange", but true. nuff' said.

[superb]

whats your position "strange deja vu"? looks like you'll fight to death just for defending your company. are you a manager?

think of this: how did FLP start? the point is big things originate from small beginnings. that proves all your points WRONG.

have you heard all the failures that FLP has produced because of saturation? these people invited every damn person they could, even the peeps they don't know, but what happened? that's what happened to my upline. he was working his butt off, he dropped all his subjects in school, recruited everyday. what happened? more than half of the people he talked to already knew about it. don't look at the companies bright side, spot it's weaknesses. it ruined the life of my upline. he got kicked out of school. all because the managers brainwashed him that he could do it. that he should not stop swimming coz he is already at the middle of his destination. this is just a story out of the thousand FLP has created because of blunt deception. WHY THEN DON'T YOU PRESENT THE 4CC IN YOUR PRESENTATION? that itself is deception. how about the no pass up rule? why can't you tell prospects that they will NOT GET ANY INCOME? how about inheritance? that you need to have an independent 6-3-2 line to avail the incentive? MAKE THEM READ YOUR COMPANY PROFILE, because it is ALL THERE!!!

question: why do you think FLP wants you to "kidnap" people? coz they all know that the people you will invite has in one point already heard of the business. that is saturation. you said that it has to be 5 YEARS for the company to be stable. can't you realize that you are not in the pioneering stage anymore?

picture this: pearl shakes. zagu started these. then a lot of it followed, like orbitz. if you were a businessman, would you venture in a business where there are already established competitors and countless stalls of these located everywhere? if you're from FLP, then your answer has to be... YES!!! you want to be in a business where all the others have been in, therefore providing you a little space for success. how sad. you are blinded.

wake up. i pity those in FLP who are slaves of managers who GIVE CONSTANT MOTIVATION. managers know that these distributors have less than 10% chance of making it. 11 years. think how many people have heard your business. i'm getting people from FLP since i want to save them the difficulties they will eventually succumb to. "strange deja vu", how many supervisors are not getting their paychecks? i wish you could eventually open your close mind. accept the fact that your possible recruits will hear other MLM's and transfer. then you'll suffer the difficulties. "strange", but true. nuff' said.

[Strange_Dejavu]

ganun ba nangyari sa kanya? kawawa naman... sana maging successful sya sa ibang bagay...

let's just say that my very close friend is an AM in FLP... He started around december... he is a student so he does it part time... pwede naman part time eh diba? di naman kailangan mag quit ng studies o work... his last check was a measly 28thou as compared to his last month of 35thou... he just started doing it full time after he graduated... siguro mag f-fail na sya??? kelan kaya? kasi... 21 yrs old palang sya eh... baka after 2 years mag fail sya! 23 na sya nun pano kaya sya hahanap ng ibang trabaho?

wala namang company na walang weaknesses eh. siguro tingin nyo sa 4cc weakness, pero not me. without that, an ******* upline who thinks he can earn off his group without working wont be getting anything at all. personal experience yan. nasa batas yan mga kaibigan, kailangan may maintenance. kung wala, pyramid yan.

there is a difference between a person who has heard of the business ("ALAM KO NA YAN!") and someone who has seen it. a lot of people who said "AKNY!" did not actually know anything about it.

my friend is also getting his first car by august by the way. wow. saturation? he hasnt even been there for a year.

:D

[Strange_Dejavu]

siguro swerte lang sya? eh ano yung iba? malas? :D

FLP started in 1978 with a $700,000 capital. by 1995, $ 1.1Billion na ang profits.. yep you're right, big things start small.

Why why why do u have to stress that in order to succeed in an MLM company, dapat pioneer ka? so yun pala ang pang-attract nyo para sumali sa inyo? "dito kayo saamin, bago to!" tsk tsk...

think about it. this is a company, a business. the way of marketing the product is through MLM. the only way para ma -saturate ang market is if everyone JOINS the company or USES the product, not HAS HEARD about it. Saturation ng ZAGU is because everyone has eaten it, tasted it, imitated it, etc etc. FLP cannot be saturated because the product is UNIQUE. walang compatitor sa product. patented ang process. MLM is not the product! You think MLM is all about joining the company or recruiting. MLM is just a way of marketing the product! it all boils down to the products. If all you think about is recruiting, then you will eventually fail. i can generate the "dreaded" 4CC just by retailing. they teach us how to do it. i'm not doing it alone! everyone helps.

kung ganun din sa company nyo, may tulungan at teamwork, then go ahead, continue with what you are doing. this is all about results. if someone failed, doesnt mean that everyone will fail too. sa tagal ng company, of course a lot will fail, but what is failure in an MLM company? you end up dead broke? you couldnt recruit so you quit? you never get your money back? tell me, how DO i fail in this company? if i make P100,000 only in a year doing it part time, did i fail? if i dont become a millionaire, did i fail?

paano ba mag fail, baka alam nyo?


peace!:D

[sadirmata]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu

racket ba? kumikita lang yung nasa taas? i suggest you look at your corporate structure... ano shape? triangle diba? pyramid? who earns the most? the CEO, the guy at the top. then the president, the VP's... who earns the scraps? the entry level employees... tsk tsk...

why look at those who failed? sino ba gagayahin mo si dodot jaworski o si michael jordan? the reason why so many people are putting FLP down is because it is the NUMBER 1 MLM in the philippines and 2 in the world. Their sales have exceeded the Bilion dollar mark and is among the TOP 500 companies in the Philippines. why join others who are just starting? just to be AT THE TOP? gusto nyo din pala manlamang eh... dun ka nalang sa pinaka stable diba? gano katagal kaya tatagal yang mga iba? di natin alam...


si roilo golez kaya na siyang pinakamataas yatang manager ng FLP sa pilipinas, siguradong bilyonaryo na siya, ano? bakit ba hindi rin sinasabi ang kinikita ni golez diyan? e kasi naman napakataas na opisyal siya sa gobyerno, at sa national security pa siya. baka kung sabihing bilyon-bilyon na ang kita niya sa flp e siya ang kidnapin, hehehe! may flp (ferrari, lamborghini, porsche) na rin ba si golez? malamang kaya na niyang bumili pero baka mapagdiskitahan pa siya ng ombudsman e (dine-declare ba nio golez sa SAL niya ang kinikita niya sa flp?)... di namang maikakailang bilyon o milyon ang kita ni golez sa flp kasi siya yata ang pinakamataas diyan...

[Strange_Dejavu]

sadirmata:

milyon lang hindi naman bilyon... kung taxes lang ang pag uusapan, ayos na ng company yun kasi pag kuha mo ng check, kaltas na yung tax dun at pag dating ng SAL, requirement ng company yan kasi naka-itemize ang every peso na na-earn mo ever since ang simula ka. oo sya ang founding director, pero i dont think sya ang pinaka malaki ang earnings. bakit? percentage lang ng sales nung iba ang nakukuha nya, hindi mas malaki. Roilo Golez has been a very successful person a long time before he was chosen to start FLP in the philippines. you probably dont even know the person personally. madali talaga mag salita ng mapanira sa iba, paborito yan gawin ng walang magawa eh.

The only Diamond Manager in southeast asia (25 direct manager downlines) is a filipino. And he is not roilo golez. So naturally, this guy will make more money. This guy has networks in 14 countries, and one of his downlines is the number one distributor in Australia. I wont mention his income anymore because you wouldnt believe me anyway. Jun K earns more than all of his uplines, so dont tell me na yung nauna ang kumikita.

Wala syang sports cars kasi matanda na sya eh, di na nya mae-enjoy yun.

:D

[sadirmata]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
madali talaga mag salita ng mapanira sa iba, paborito yan gawin ng walang magawa eh.

curious at nagtatanong lang naman ho. ano ho ba ang sinabi kong paninira kay golez? sisiraan mo si golez e national security adviser yan baka ipaaresto pa ako e! actually e hanga ako diyan sa career ni golez sa military man at sa politika, hanga ako sa kanyang nang nasa US navy (kung saan sikat ata siyang boxer pa) siya at lalo na noong naging postmaster general siya. at maging noong isa siya sa mga advisers ng prosecution sa impeachment case kay erap at maging ngayong siya ang national security adviser. at bakit ho naman naman nyo nasabing paborito ko iyang gawin dahil wala akong magawa? e kilala nyo rin ho ba ako personally para sabihin ho ninyong mapanira ako at walang magawa? hmmm... ;)

[Strange_Dejavu]

madali talaga mag salita ng mapanira sa iba, paborito yan gawin ng walang magawa eh.

in general yan panyero... hindi directed sayo. ibig sabihin nyan, madaming ganyan dito sa thread na to! May alam ka naman pala background sa kanya eh... eh yun lang, peace! :D

[tadeus]

Do you know how much a FLP Aloe Shampoo costs in the US?

Around 300% of the local price here.

Thats MLM in the Phils.

[Strange_Dejavu]

old chinese saying:

"Man who say it cant be done, should not interrupt man doing it."

:D

[Strange_Dejavu]

FYI:

FLP distributors belong to the first 5% of tax payers who pay their taxes once tax paying time begins. The others who belong to this category are the likes of the Ayalas, Henry Sy, etc.

:D

[viruswriter]

well.. depende naman yang FLP kung masipag ka meron ako kilala relative ko pa.. at first hubby and wife were both earning hundred plus thousand a month each huh. in fact nasa superstar nga sila dati, tapos they went to canada and us ba un. ngayon sales are down..they bought a new car syempre para makita nung mga downlines nila na oo nga me pera nga sa FLP kasi nakabili si upline ng bagong kotse.at ang press release pa e cash pero truth is...*** house na binili nila until now binabayaran pa nila same with the new car. kelangan mo kse pumorma e para makaattract ka ng new recruits right?to each his own naman yan.ika nga e kanya kanya hilig yan.baka mabara ako at sabihin wala sa hilig yan nasa will para kumita..id say been there done that.oo nga pede ka matulog maghapon and magising ng tanghali...want to know why?coz these people stay up till wee hours in the morning nandun sila either sa mr donut,country style,and dun sa dating pizza hut recruiting people, motivating them to recruit more.

ano un marketing ploy nila-in less than one year meron kang ganito..tingnan mo nga si mr so and so lawyer yan pero he joined us..e care ko.. d naman ako nagtapos para sa ganyan lang bagsak ko e.its not that i think low of them kaya lang, kainis lang pag sinasabi nila na eto ako ngayon bakit *** ganyan ka pa din..pero when you actually know whats behind the facade of new clothes and cars, latest gadgets, etc para lang makabuo ng required cc for managers and para makuha nila *** trip to ewan nila you'll see.

[Strange_Dejavu]

e care ko..

e care mo? haha!:D

so what kung meron ka kilala and so on and so forth? bakit, ako ba yun? ibig sabihin ba kung nangyari sa kanya, ganun din saakin at sa ibang tao? eh ano yung naging successful, swerte o chamba? my point is, if it didnt work for you or someone you know, it doenst mean it wont work at all. its been working for the past how many years. some will succeed, some wont. so what? YOU are not THEM. pakialam ko kung may kotse sila, basta imporatante, meron din ako. pakialam ko kung nag fail sila, basta ako, hindi.

may pumpipilit ba sayo sumali? eh **** yun wag ka sasama dun. wala naman pilitan dito eh kasi kahit tutukan ka ng baril, kung ayaw mo, hindi mo gagawin...

:D

[mdupet]

My name is Marcial Dupet and I am currently a Supervisor of Forever Living Products Philippines. I am a teacher by profession. I teach computer subjects at San Beda College, Manila. I am also a freelance programmer and website developer. I’m a philosophy graduate from Adamson University and an MBA graduate of San Sebastian College. I have only been in the business for 7 months and to be honest, it’s been a roller-coaster ride but I’m enjoying every moment of it.

People all over the world are talking about the great opportunity that Forever Living Products International has given them. On the other side, a lot of people are also saying that Forever Living is just one international pyramid scam and that sooner or later it will just crash and fall to the ground like all the rest. However, with over 23 years of business in over 75 countries world-wide and an annual gross income of $1.4B, it has become quite obvious that Forever Living is here to stay.

Here are the facts:
·Forever Living Products is the No. 1 and largest private company in Phoenix, Arizona. Go to link>> (http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2001/05/21/focus5.html)
·Forbes 500 lists Forever Living Products as the 448th largest private company in the USA. Go to link>> (http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/setters/listHomeSetter.jhtml?passListId=21)
·Forever Living Products is one of the world’s most stable network marketing business with over 23 years of experience. Go to link>> (http://www.foreverliving.com/FLC/learn/index.htm#))
·FLP is the world's largest grower, manufacturer and distributor of Aloe Vera products and the leader in nutritional supplements. Go to link>> (http://www.flpcanada.com/Who%20are%20we.htm)
·FLP Philippines has been in the Philippines since 1991 and was founded by none other than Sec. Roilo Golez. Go to link >> (http://www.flpphil.com/)
·In 2001, in spite of the economic recession, FLP Philippines posted record sales and growth when it made P1.8B in sales a 20% increase from 2000 putting it among the Philippine’s Top 500 corporations.
·FLP Philippines already has more than 300 self-made millionaires, and counting, coming from different walks of life and professions like Dr. Ludgerio Torres, Director-Philippine Heart Center; Atty. Carlo Ponferada, BPI Corporate Lawyer; Raymond Rapadas, Ateneo-graduate and businessman; Bros. Richmond and Kerwin Yu, students; Edmund Ramos, VP-Metrobank; Willard Amarile, barangay chairman in Pasay City; Arnel Mabayo, Janitor; Willie Namuco, security guard; Jun Enduma, high school graduate; and of course, Jun Kintanar, a former jeepney driver who’s life story has been featured in i-witness, extra-extra and recently Pipol.

The Products

Under the US’s Federal Trade Commission’s rules, a legitimate multi-level marketing company should provide highly consumable and tangible products and services to ensure repeat orders from consumers. FLP International not only satisfies these requirements but has also added another item in the list – UNIQUENESS.

·FLP has over 5,000 acres of plantation and fully implements vertical integration in its manufacturing process, meaning FLP is totally in control of its production from plant to product.
·# 1 supplier and manufacturer of Aloe Vera-based natural products in the world controlling 85% of the world-wide supply
·# 1 supplier of fish-oil that provides Omega 3
·# 1 supplier of bee products
·Foremost supplier of natural beauty products through its Sonya Colour Collection
·Has 7 seals of approval (BFAD, USDA, USFDA, Kosher Rating, EEC, Islamic Seal of Approval, and International Aloe Science Council)
·All products have a 30 day money-back guarantee

The Marketing Plan

Since its establishment in 1978, FLP International has effectively used and implemented the same marketing plan in over 75 countries. To be successful, a distributor must learn, understand, and internalize the company’s marketing plan and follow it faithfully without trying to reinvent the wheel. Here are the steps:

Step 1: Be a distributor
·Look for a sponsor. Somehow, whom you believe can be your mentor and guide in the business. Be careful with network junkies or those people who keep on jumping from one-mlm company to another. FOCUS on one mlm only.
·Learn the business by attending the company-sponsored trainings (Opportunity Plan Presentation, New Distributor’s Orientation, and Product Demo). All trainings are free. Take your time and never sign anything unless you’re absolutely sure you will do the business.
·Sign-up as a new distributor so that you can start purchasing products directly from our 45 product centers nationwide.
·As a wholesaler, you enjoy 30% discount on all FLP products that you can use or retail to your clients.
·Every product you purchase has a corresponding case credit or point which you accumulate in order to reach the next step of the marketing plan.

Step 2: Assistant Supervisor
·Continue learning the business by attending the company-sponsored trainings.
·Once you accumulate 2 points or case credits in two-months you are automatically moved-up to the position of Asst. Supervisor.
·You also have the option to invest in our combo pak (which contains 27 of our most saleable products) at the discounted price of P14,550 that automatically gives you 2 case credits. Remember! This is just an option…NOT A REQUIREMENT! I currently have 4 downlines who became Asst. Supervisors simply by retailing.
·You can now start sponsoring your friends, relatives and acquaintances into the business. Be a leader and always be there for your downlines.
·Get an additional 5% rebate on all purchases you and your new distributors make.
·A part-time but serious distributor can earn as much as P6,000 a month in retail profit.
·All the points you and your group (group points) make is added up to you so you can reach the next step of the marketing plan.

Step 3: Supervisor
·Continue learning the business by attending the company-sponsored trainings.
·When you accumulate 25 group points within 2 consecutive months, you are moved up to the Supervisor position. Remember: all points are group points meaning the points your downlines make are also added up to you.
·Enjoy 8% rebate on all purchases you and your New Distributors make.
·Get 3% override on all purchases your direct Asst. Supervisors make.
·A part-time Supervisor’s monthly income ranges from P3,000 – P15,000 a month.
·Currently, I’m averaging P8,000 a month as a Supervisor. Not bad for a part-time business.

Step 4: Assistant Manager
·Continue learning the business by attending the company-sponsored trainings.
·Once you accumulate 75 group points within 2 consecutive months, you are moved up to the Asst. Manager position.
·13% rebate on all purchases you and your New Distributors make.
·5% override on all purchases your direct Supervisors make.
·8% override on all purchases your direct Asst. Supervisors make.
·A part-time Asst. Manager’s monthly income ranges from P15,000-P30,000 a month.

Step 5: Manager
·Continue learning the business by attending the company-sponsored trainings.
·Once you accumulate 120 group points within 2 consecutive months, you are moved up to the Manager position.
·18% rebate on all purchases you and your New Distributors make.
·5% override on all purchases your direct Asst. Managers make.
·10% override on all purchases your direct Supervisors make.
·13% override on all purchases your direct Asst. Supervisors make.
·A part-time Manager’s monthly income ranges from P30,000 – P60,000 a month.

Incentives:

The company offers the following incentives to qualified distributors.

1. Car Incentive – Once you qualify, the company will give you a monthly check ranging from $300 - $600 a month for the next 36 months. Enough to help you buy your new car or house and lot. Jun Kintantar’s 12th car is a Ferrari. Every Friday night, the managers have a car show at the Greenhills parking lot. You are invited to enjoy the show!
2. USA Vacation – Once you qualify, you and your spouse get to visit the main headquarters of FLP in Phoenix, Arizona and attend the International Super Rally. This coming August, more than 100 managers will go for a 10-day vacation in San Francisco, California. The company will provide 10-year multiple-visa assistance.
3. International Sponsoring – Once you become an Asst. Supervisor you can bring your business to more than 75 countries and get overrides in the country you are sponsoring.
4. Profit Sharing – 3% of the countrywide sales is returned as a bonus to qualified managers. Last February 3, at the Araneta Coliseum, the lowest check given was P147,000, the second highest check was P11,000,000.00, and the highest check was given to Jun Kintanar at P13,400,000.00.
5. Inheritance or PAMANA – Once you decide to retire, you can transfer your whole network to your wife and children.

Other points:

· You must have noticed how I emphasized training in all the steps of the marketing plan. If you think you can’t stand learning the business then you don’t have to do this business.
· Be very skeptical about our business. Learn it before you join us. Look for loopholes but don’t stay very long with your skepticism. As George Bernard Shaw says, “Some men see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’ I see them as they have never been and ask, ‘Why not?’” You might think Forever Living Products sounds too good to be true…well, what if it’s true.
· Once you reach a certain position, you cannot be demoted even if your group points fall below the required points and even if you stop. Once a manager, you’re a manager for life.
· It’s true. It’s cultish over here. But should you let that stand in between your desire to succeed? I don’t think it will make me less of a man if I shout POWER! and GRABE! once in a while.
· As a teacher and a professional, I seek to professionalize our business. The best way to do this is through education. That is why I have been going through colleges and universities right now to inform students about the concept of network marketing. In these talks, I do not present FLP but rather the general concept behind MLM. Through these I get insights from students as well as professors. In time, I believe that like franchising, network marketing will become a major marketing course in business schools here and abroad.
· Is Forever Living Products perfect? No! Nothing is. It’s just that in FLP, the good far outweighs the bad. It actually creates wealth when done correctly. It even gives you an opportunity to help a lot of people. Does it require you to work hard? Absolutely! Is it worth it? Absolutely…
· Recent studies show that only 10% of distributors succeed in network marketing, while the other 90% fail and return to what they’ve been doing before. I am looking for those people who believe that they belong to the 10%.
· If this article in one way or another opened your mind about the wonderful opportunity that is waiting for you in Forever Living, do give me a call at 630-5728 or 0917-9675460 so that we can start your training as soon as possible. Again, you don’t have to sign anything unless you’re absolutely sure you want to do this business.
· If on the other hand you believe you don’t have what it takes to succeed in this business. Then, then just email this article to any of your friends who might be interested in the business. I wish you all the luck in whatever it is you are doing.

[sadirmata]

it's more hype than hope, lots of hype and some bits of hope.

please see this thread. (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54721)

[tadeus]

more info...

So you want to earn MILLIONS, yes? Read this and find out... (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82429)

:)

[mdupet]

Yes...sometimes all we need is a small light at the end of the tunnel.

This thread was precisely done in response to the challenge that we are trying to hide something about FLP. Here's the marketing plan...I invite you to study it carefully and objectively.

And if you're still in doubt meet me in the office so I can give you a tour. Don't worry...I don't have special hypnotic powers that will make you sign up against your will.

;)

[sadirmata]

masasabi kong may karanasan na rin ako sa flp. alam ko na mga pros pati mga cons diyan, mga style at teknik, mga strats at katusuhan, etc.

please see the thread link i mentioned above and give some comments sa ilang mga points doon.

[tadeus]

more info...

Why most of us hate Networking? (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85171)

;)

[mdupet]

Sadirmata - what kind of experience did u get from FLP? coz if you're from cagayan valley, chances are you've never even been to a FLP product center. if in fact you're a distributor how many trainings did you attend? kung biktima ka ng "kidnapping" i apologize for that, i don't subscribe to that practice as far as my group is concerned. now if you're a user what do u think of our products....?

So far, nobody has given any comments about FLP's marketing plan which i've painstakenly written above. If there are any loopholes in our marketing plan that you can see kindly point them out.

The reason we have to show proof is because for most people, "to see is to believe." I joined because after carefully studying the marketing plan, the company background and the products, I was convinced that it can actually work. If you need proof study the marketing plan!

The thing is, I actually investigated the company before I joined. I did not make any 2 bit judgement from what other people was saying...I had to see it for myself!

[crazy_fool_22]

i was once a member... i knew i had potential coz magaling akong manghatak.... but seems like im not destined to be in FLP.. :shrug:

sino pala upline mo mdupet?

[sadirmata]

Originally posted by mdupet
Sadirmata - what kind of experience did u get from FLP? coz if you're from cagayan valley, chances are you've never even been to a FLP product center. if in fact you're a distributor how many trainings did you attend? kung biktima ka ng "kidnapping" i apologize for that, i don't subscribe to that practice as far as my group is concerned. now if you're a user what do u think of our products....?

wala bang product center ang flp sa cagayan valley? anong akala mo sa aming lugar puro mga bundok at bukid lang? :D

gusto ko lang malaman naman ang reaction o views mo sa ilang mga messages sa kabilang thread...

and yes i am using flp products. medyo napipilitan lang just to consume the combo pack na kinuha ng aking asawa na siyang talagang nasa flp (pero inactive na siya as of now)...

[spadia]

forever living....
its products maybe good but its TOO EXPENSIVE
you got to earn 2 pts. or have sales of ten thousand + worth of product to get the title of AS...wherein you can start building your downline..or you pay 14,000+ and you get a starter kit and AS ranking....

i just dont like this..because the uplines get their shares from the products you bought or your downline bought...which makes everything so expensive...
a single toothpaste costs hundreds...wherein you can have a good toothpaste for about a hundred or less...

if i were you..i 'd invest on money markets...
so far there's one that offers 5% interest monthly...
but be sure to check out its background and reliability

although anyone with determination can make big in forever lving
but i personally dont like its practice....if you ve been to their seminar in greenhills beside petron station...you see lotsa people..yeah..and theyre talking flp...all the time...parang cult..scares me....after you got hooked...u ll start spreading the word...to everone you met....parang sobra naman....
kakatakot ...i just dont understand...all these networking people are too obssessed...kulang na lang magtayo sila church of FLP

[AdD1cT3d]

tsk, ano ba chance na kumita ** sa ganitong business? im a professional BUM:D wala lang ;) Gagastos ba ako sa una dito? If yes, magkano naman? Kase kung wala, interested ako sumali at magsimulang mag recruite:D :D sayang mga oras ko sa pagtambay lang ** sa bahay:D

[AdD1cT3d]

tsk, ano ba chance na kumita ** sa ganitong business? im a professional BUM:D wala lang ;) Gagastos ba ako sa una dito? If yes, magkano naman? Kase kung wala, interested ako sumali at magsimulang mag recruite:D :D sayang mga oras ko sa pagtambay lang ** sa bahay:D

[salermo]

Don't you know that if you go to any place be it in the Philippines, North America or any place else that have Filipino communities, the word of mouth alone among themselves about recuitment and pyramid selling go like wildfire you won't believe almost everybody is being sucked into it?

Maybe because they are always tempted of an "easy money" coming to them in so short a time. With those Ferrarri incentives they are as old as the Amway Way.

I don't know why Filipinos are the best sucker for it.

Is it because of Greed or just being Naive?

As what Ann Landers used to say, "Wake up and smell the coffee".;)

[tadeus]

if you want a toothpaste...
...there's colgate, close-up, hapee, etc. at a more cheaper price.

:)




______
*There is no easy money!

[mdupet]

Kuhrant- OK ka rin pare 'no? Pagkatapos mong kumita sa FLP at matuto eh bigla mong sisiraan. Nakaranas ka lang ng konting hirap nag-jump ship ka na. Pagkatapos mong pangakuan na iaangat mo sa hirap yung mga downlines mo bigla mo silang iiwan ng nakabitin. Tapos ngayon gusto mong sumama sa iyo yung mga walang ka-muwang muwang sa network marketing. Mandadamay ka pa! Mahiya ka naman sa buto mo pare!

Kuhrant is the classic example of a network junkie na palipat-lipat ng mlm. He's the type of person who gives mlm a very bad name.

You're such a sad excuse for a man and an UPLINE for that matter! Kinikilabutan ako sa iyo!!!

Superb - litaw na litaw ang baho mo tsong! hindi mo ba alam na the more na sinisiraan mo ang FLP e lalo mong sinisiraan ang pangalan ng ibang MLM? AT kung start-up yang sa iyo hindi ka pa naguumpisa palubog ka na. Dahil sigurado ako pag nahirapan ka dyan...sisiraan mo rin iyan.

Crazy Fool - i'm under james calinawan and jun k. Nic Ang is the latest manager of Rachelle Chua, he's a lasalle student who became manager in 2 mos last May 2002...kaka senior manager lang ni Rachelle Chua and yes maganda pa rin siya.

I re-posted the marketing plan of FLP review it if you can do it. FLP is not for the faint-hearted. Jun K and the other 300 millionaires of FLP did not become successful just because maswerte sila. Talagang nagtyaga at nagtrabaho at wala silang iniwanang downlines! Kung mahina ka at alam mong hindi mo kaya...e di mag-dxn ka na lang!

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104491

[salermo]

Originally posted by tadeus
if you want a toothpaste...
...there's colgate, close-up, hapee, etc. at a more cheaper price.

:)




______
*There is no easy money!

They don't listen to what P.T. Barnum said that:" THERE IS ALWAYS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE".:)

[salermo]

Originally posted by salermo


They don't listen to what P.T. Barnum said that:" THERE IS ALWAYS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE".:)



And those organizers listen to what P.T. Barnum said that: " THERE IS ALWAYS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE".;)

[P0pe]

ok fine ... pagpalagay na natin na totoo at tama lahat ng sinasabi nila sa flp and mlm.

di ko lang talaga maintindihan kung bakit kelangan maging ganon yung ways nila, and i mean lahat ... speaking, interacting, expression, culture ... man! para silang kulto na ang sinasamba eh si jun kintanar at yung kanyang ferarri! pag may mga seminars ... walang iniwan yung mga prayer meetings ng mga born again kung titingnan mo.

let me repeat ... PARANG lang ha ...

hmmm ... kung meron siguro mlm na mas propesyonal yung approach nila and mas direct to the point, as in business kung business ... siguro papa-recruit ako :D

[mdupet]

Pope-It's up to you how you lead your group. Kung gusto mo 'nung professional style ok lang 'yon wala naman pipigil sa iyo eh. My group have been going around campus giving lectures on mlm concepts and joining career fairs. It's hard work but at least we're making a lot of progress in educating people on the good and bad sides of mlm.

Jun Kintanar is simply a role model. Hindi namin siya sinasamba. The newest member of his organization is Frank Borromeo, one of the richest man in Cebu City with dealerships of Ford and McDonald franchises. He's definitely richer than Jun Kintanar but he still joined because he was inspired by Jun's ability to lead people. He's battle cry? "Me mapayaman lang akong isang tao gaya ni Jun...masaya na ako."

Tanong? Si Jun Kintanar mahigit 80 na ang napayaman. Ikaw, ilan na?

[tadeus]

Tanong? Si Jun Kintanar mahigit 80 na ang napayaman. Ikaw, ilan na?

Sino nagpayaman sa kanya?

[bunny_kat]

My boyfriend and i had an experience with this forever living mlm. His classmate back in hs invited him to a party. Sinama lang nya ko. Japorms pa kami non. Turned out na magrerecruit lang yung classmate nya. Sana sinabi agad na ganon lang pala ang gagawin namin don. Parang niloko kami. Pero cge pagbigyan pumunta pa kami sa GH the ff day. But ayaw talaga namin eh. Para silang cult. Nakaattend na rin ako ng sa Amway naman. Ganon din!

Tapos may isa pang same incident. Sabi despedida party daw. Ganon din pala. May natandaan akong d magandang sinabi nila eh - na mangutang kayo pambayad ng 14k na fee tapos pag sinisingil kayo yung product ang ibayad nyo. Parang d yata tama yon bda?

[Ellheym]

well.. unfortunately.. i've been a member of this mlm.

Supervisor na ako.. pero tumigil din ako.. kasi ang hirap talaga ng ginagawa.. hindi rin ako umabot ng one year... :( pero nakuha ko pa rin ang position ko.. pero iyon nga lang.. hindi ko na talaga kaya...

speaking of kulto thing.. well.. i don't want to give my comment with that.. :)

doon sa mga nasa flp na ngayon.. kung feel niyong gawin ang business.. just do it properly.. kung hindi niyo na kaya.. so.. why stay pa diba? :)

[salermo]

Originally posted by Ellheym
well.. unfortunately.. i've been a member of this mlm.

Supervisor na ako.. pero tumigil din ako.. kasi ang hirap talaga ng ginagawa.. hindi rin ako umabot ng one year... :( pero nakuha ko pa rin ang position ko.. pero iyon nga lang.. hindi ko na talaga kaya...

speaking of kulto thing.. well.. i don't want to give my comment with that.. :)

doon sa mga nasa flp na ngayon.. kung feel niyong gawin ang business.. just do it properly.. kung hindi niyo na kaya.. so.. why stay pa diba? :)

That's why it works for those few on top rung of people.

As what people experience na hindi na "kaya" that means another poor individual will be suckered onto recruitment which just keep going the same cycle on and on and on and on and......:(

[Rastaboy]

actually i was also invited to attend the seminars of flp, and i figured it's a waste of time......... i have nothing against this company actually their quite good in motivating people. but then again networking is not my feild. :)

[Strange_Dejavu]

Nakakatawa...

all i can say about those other MLM's who make it a point to thrash FLP is that they are really pathetic. FLP Philippines does not really care about other MLM's in the Philippines because sales have already reached 1.8 Billion pesos. Far, far more than any other MLM company in the Philippines. Bottom line is the annual sales right? Profit sharing is 3% of annual sales, so do the math guys. over 50 Million pesos was given away by the company to deserving distributors.

Thr truth is, we at FLP Philippines is more concerned with the other 87 countries who also distribute Forever Living Products. While these pesky and noisy new MLM companies in the Philippines do their thing, Germany as of now took the Number 1 spot from japan in the world rankings of FLP. Since Philippines is Number 2, yep you read that right, we have been moved to number 3 as of this half of the year. Our concern is to hit 2 Billion in sales so as to hit #2 or even make it to the top spot. Guys, this is a global business. SATURATION? ang bobo nyo, 87 countries yan mga ugok. And the newest policy is that you dont have to be a Manager anymore to sponsor internationally.

Sorry guys, pero kung na hit nyo na ang first billion nyo, or tumagal man lang kayo ng 5 years, or maybe even maka bigay man lang kayo ng 54 Million pesos MONTHLY to distributors (go ahead, ask the branch manager of BPI ortigas beside the FLP office) tsaka na kayo mag ingay.

mdupet was talking about frank borromeo, one of the richest guys in the philippines. He belongs to the millionaires club of the philippines, (184 members only, with a membership of P100 million) has 3 mcDonalds branches, owns FORD dealerships (edsa, alabang) and has more than 10, 000 employees. His reason for joining FLP? (yes, he is an AS as of now) he has found a mentor in Jun Kintanar, and he knows that NOT ONE of his employees has a chance of getting their dreams through being an employee. His goal? to be able to make at least 1 out of 10 of his employees achieve success and have a chance to make it big.

no matter how much these people thrash and criticize FLP, nothing can stop its growth. Saturation only applies to THEM, because they earn through membership, and not throuh the products. Wag na kayo humirit, dahil wala basis mga opinions nyo. Just always look at the bottom line. From P1.2 Billion in 2000 to P1.8 Billion in 2001, sa tingin nyo walang market? mahal ba yung products? labo nyo mag isip.

FLP is going to get bigger and bigger. hindi ka man sumali, ok lang, its not our loss. if you dont go back the next day, someone new will be sitting on the seat you left. the seminars will still be full, and people will still be getting their checks. we dont need the 90% of people who think they will fail. we need the 10% who think they will succeed. that's 8 million people. as of now, active distributors are almost 20,000. still a long way to go :D

of course, this really is not for everyone. but then again, dont base your decisions on someone else's experience. go see for yourself.

if you think you can or you think you can't, you're probably right. :D

[tadeus]

does those guys you are pertaining to REALLY EARNED that huge amount of money in a short time by joining FLP?

Sorry, but I still don't believe you guys.

Why?

Because there is guy in our village who is your catalog that belongs to a so-called Millionaires Club. Indeed there are an Expedition and a Pajero in their garage courtesy of FLP...

...BUT...

...he does not have the money to repair their house. You know rusted roof and gates, sagging "kisame", faded wall....

...This makes me believe that FLP has a carplan to its employee.

[mdupet]

tadeus - walang nagpayaman kay jun kintanar kundi si jun kintanar. malamang kung nag nuskin sya o amway ganun din labas niya kasi nagtiyaga siya. yup me car plan talaga kami tsong. so ano problema kung me pajero tapos hindi pa pinapagawa ang bahay nya? sa business namin, we are taught to save first then what's left we spend...yan ang hindi alam ng mga taong mahihirap - robert kiyosaki

dun sa hindi tumagal at inisip 2mos, 6 mos..1 year is enough. sorry na lang mlm is a long term business. you have to visualize urself 3-5 years from now...

winners never quit...quitters never win!!!

never...never...never...never...quit - sir winston churchill

[tadeus]

mdupet

so ano problema kung me pajero tapos hindi pa pinapagawa ang bahay nya?

Ang ibig sabihin nun, naka-afford ka ng million-peso car pero hindi ka naka-afford ng P10,000 BASIC house repair.

...COMMON SENSE!
;)

[spadia]

kakatakot kasi tong forever living..parang cult..
puro na lang FLP pinaguusapan...la na ata iba...puro na lang pera
where is your spiritual life??
cant you not talk other things than FLP?
the product itself is a decoy...whats impt is to have lots of downlines that really buys the product...
isnt it bad to convince your friends and anyone you met to buy some overpriced product so you can get rich????

why would they require you to pay 14000 or sell 2 pts worth of product before you can recruit people? because ...
if no one buys any of the product...FLP will be dead...

true naman..na you can succeed if you dont give up..di lang naman sa MLM kahit rin naman sa work eh...
true rin na you have to think long term.....
MLM is applying those general principles to motivate people..
principles that applies to all fields...

yes its true...that..its not your loss that we dont join...
what if we ve convinced everyone not to join FLP? will it be a major loss???
do you agree? after joining FLP..you ll eventually try to convince everyone you met to join Forever living ...parang di maganda di ba?

[crazy_fool_22]

hello :wave:
mukang there's a really heated issue goin on here... :)
i just wanna know from those people who are active in FLP, if you can tell me kung sino-sino mga direct downlines ni Rachel Chua na manager na... for one, alam ko si Dennis... but meron pa bang mga bago? is Jayjay De Mesa a manager already?

[Strange_Dejavu]

crazy_fool

Rachel chua has a new manager, Nic Ang. He's 20 years old, and started i think last march 2002. 2 mos sya nag manager.

like i said Tadeus, pumunta ka sa BPI ortigas, kausapin mo yung Branch manager, tanong mo kung magkano ang reserve nila monthly for FLP. Puntahan mo din ang BIR, SEC at kung anu ano pang gusto mo. lahat yan totoo. hindi magpapaka ***** ang GMA7 at ABS CBN para i-feature si JUN K kung scam yan. Mas magandang balita ang SCAM diba? bakit maganda yung pinakita nila? dont you think they did their own investigation?

yes there is a car incentive. eh kung nag qualify ka, di ka kukuha ng kotse dahil pangit bahay mo? baka bigyan kita ng KIA tumulo laway mo eh. BIGAY YUN EH. tatangian mo libreng kotse? ***** ka.

tama si Mdupet, up to now, *** pa rin nag bibigay ng valid argument about FLP except opinions na "cultish" or whatever. sayang... tanong ko lang, why would you wnat those doing it not to succeed? these people see something good with what they are doing, kung sa tingin mo di para sayo, sabihin mo sa nag iinvite sayo ng derecho para di ka na kulitin. We really dont care about your opinion about the way we do our business, yun yung culture eh, ano magagawa namin? alangan naman sila mag adapt sa mga sasali diba?

Believe it or not, jun kintanar really earned that much in 6 years. kala nyo kasi sya lang eh, madami pa. Do say something na medyo may sense.

good luck sa kun ano ginagawa nyo. kita kita after 3 years ha.

[tadeus]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu

like i said Tadeus, pumunta ka sa BPI ortigas, kausapin mo yung Branch manager, tanong mo kung magkano ang reserve nila monthly for FLP. Puntahan mo din ang BIR, SEC at kung anu ano pang gusto mo. lahat yan totoo. hindi magpapaka ***** ang GMA7 at ABS CBN para i-feature si JUN K kung scam yan. Mas magandang balita ang SCAM diba? bakit maganda yung pinakita nila? dont you think they did their own investigation?


...I don't need to go to any bank. I can see your company thru one of your "successful one".


yes there is a car incentive. eh kung nag qualify ka, di ka kukuha ng kotse dahil pangit bahay mo? baka bigyan kita ng KIA tumulo laway mo eh. BIGAY YUN EH. tatangian mo libreng kotse? ***** ka.


...wag kang pikon pre. nagmumura ka pa eh.

...paano akong maniniwala sa "successful one" na neighbor ko eh sabi niya nakakakuha na daw siya ng almmost Php 100,000 a month na kita eh ang pa-repair ng bahay eh halos Php 30,000 lang ang aabutin.

...me Pajero ka nga, bulok naman bahay mo. Katawatawa di ba.

:) Peace!

[cs_NOGNOG]

sa mga hindi naniniwala sa business ng forever living: pagtawanan nyo na kami ngayon, as in laitin nyo kami at tawagin nyo kaming nagpapaloko at siraulo.

there is a price to pay if you want financial freedom. kaya kitakits na lang tayo lang tayo sa forever! :)

[mdupet]

Tadeus - anong common sense pinagsasasabi mo? curious lang ako...ano meron ka at pakiramdam mo mas mayaman ka sa naka-pajero? yung nakabili ng pajero through his sweat and blood ang tunay na me common sense dahil alam nya kung saan at kung kailan nya gagamitin ang pera nya samantalang ikaw mukmok ka pa rin dyan eh wala pang nangyayari sa buhay mo habang yung nakapajero payaman-pa-rin ng payaman....kawawa ka ****.

pag me natulungan ka nang umangat ang buhay saka ka magyabang.

peace din

People see things as they are and ask "why?", I see things as they can be and ask "why not?" - George Bernard Shaw

[tadeus]

Originally posted by mdupet
Tadeus - anong common sense pinagsasasabi mo? curious lang ako...ano meron ka at pakiramdam mo mas mayaman ka sa naka-pajero? yung nakabili ng pajero through his sweat and blood ang tunay na me common sense dahil alam nya kung saan at kung kailan nya gagamitin ang pera nya samantalang ikaw mukmok ka pa rin dyan eh wala pang nangyayari sa buhay mo habang yung nakapajero payaman-pa-rin ng payaman....kawawa ka ****.

pag me natulungan ka nang umangat ang buhay saka ka magyabang.

peace din

People see things as they are and ask "why?", I see things as they can be and ask "why not?" - George Bernard Shaw

Hay nako hindi nyo pa rin maintindihan.

Ganito yun.

Naka-Pajero ka nga kaya lang yung pinaggagarehe mo ng kotse mo BULOK.

Maganda kotse mo BULOK naman bahay mo.

Siyempre pag ikaw ay nagkapera ipagagawa mo muna yung bahay mo. Common sense di ba. Ikaw ba eh tumutulo na yung tubig sa loob ng bahay mo dahil ayaw mong ipagawa either kung wala kang pera o nirerentahan nyo lang tapos me nakaparadang Pajero sa loob. Comedy.

Ang Bahay ay BASIC NEEDS. Ang Pajero ay LUXURY.

Which would you prefer?

kailan nya gagamitin ang pera nya samantalang ikaw mukmok ka pa rin dyan eh wala pang nangyayari sa buhay mo habang yung nakapajero payaman-pa-rin ng payaman....kawawa ka ****.

It's been almost two years na yung Pajero nya and sabi niya almost Php 100,000 yung kinikita niya. Eh magkano lang ba yung VulcaSeal?

Tsaka kelan niya gagamitin yung "pera" niya? Kapag bumaksak na yung bubong?

Common Sense.

OK computin natin yung "kinita" niya. Let us say 20 months na siya sa FLP. Yung average "earnings" niya ay php50,000. Solong anak pa yun. so by now meron siyang Php 1 M. Eh ang basic repair almost Php20,000 lang.

They prefer LUXURY over BASIC NEEDS which makes me conclude that "masabi lang na kumita sila ng ganung kalaki" or "pinahiram lang yung kotse for marketing or recruitment purposes."

:)

P.S.
Walang pikunan opinion lang.

[Strange_Dejavu]

Just wanted to post some new updates about FLP

FLP Philippines is now currently ranked #351 among the TOP CORPORATIONS in the Philippines. Last year we were #448. There are more than 500 THOUSAND registered corporations in the Philippines. Siguro mahina talaga FLP?

After a successful international super rally in san francisco, FLP Philippines is now ranked #3 in sales among 90 COUNTRIES. Germany took the number 2 spot after posting Sky high sales due to their new top distributor who, after 4 years in FLP, has achieved the highest possible position and is making 70000 euro (around P3.5M) per month. Next year's super rally will be in Dallas Texas where the 25th Anniversary of FLP international will be celebrated.

Rex maughan, the SOLE owner of FLP international, has been ranked #368 Richest man in America (FORBES 400, 2002).

Jun Kintanar has been chosen by an independent and credible body as one of the OUTSTANDING YOUNG PROFFESSIONALS in the Philippines, along with young proffessionals from other fields. He has also been awarded as one of the "Who's who in the Philippines" given Sept 28, 2002, at the PICC.

Forever Living Products Phillipines was named NUMBER ONE MLM company in the COUNTRY. FLP International is the Largest MLM company in the WHOLE WORLD.

Hmmm. baka mahina na talaga. tingin nyo?

Please spare yourself humiliation of making a comparison of FLP with whatever binary pyramiding scam you are now currently a member of. It is like comparing your CARINDERIA with Mc Donalds.

See you in the next 25 years of FLP!

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by mdupet




Crazy Fool - i'm under james calinawan and jun k. Nic Ang is the latest manager of Rachelle Chua, he's a lasalle student who became manager in 2 mos last May 2002...kaka senior manager lang ni Rachelle Chua and yes maganda pa rin siya.

I re-posted the marketing plan of FLP review it if you can do it. FLP is not for the faint-hearted. Jun K and the other 300 millionaires of FLP did not become successful just because maswerte sila. Talagang nagtyaga at nagtrabaho at wala silang iniwanang downlines! Kung mahina ka at alam mong hindi mo kaya...e di mag-dxn ka na lang!



Power talaga yan! Mahusay si upline James Calinawan mag NDO, just look at the positive side.If you have learned the way of the business as long as it is legal and fair, then go for it.

"Hindi totoo ang swerte, ang tunay na swerte ay yung nanalo sa Lotto ng hindi tumataya" - upline Elmer Enduma.

[kuyafish]

mabuti pa lumipat na tayo lahat sa POWERHOMES ... lumipat na don ang karamihan sa mga top earners ng FLP. gawin natin itong negosyong powerhomes...

since mga tao naman dito ay interested sa networking.. we might as well build up a team.. we can earn much in a short time if we work as a team, right??

for more info, contact me:

872-4106
0919-8604989

watch our regular TV program

KAYA MONG MAGING MILLIONAIRE
every sunday 2pm sa IBC-13

more powerrrr!!!

[kuyafish]

strange_dejavu,

pwede po ba malaman kun how many millionaires ang nagawa ng FLP?? o si jun kintanar lang??

you've shown me FLP's credibility but not its products of success...

i think FLP made 100+ millionaire in 10yrs here in the Philippines, right?? that's quite a success...

but you know what, iv also seen that powerhomes made more than 500+ millionaires and 100+ was awarded housing in less than TWO YEARS!!! that's quite a blast.. how much more in 10 yrs.. right?? no wonder many of the top earners in FLP are doing the powerhomes business now..

i hope to work with you too in the powerhomes business.. powerrr!!

contact me:

872-4106
0919-8604989

[Strange_Dejavu]

kuya fish,

hay naku... kawawa ka naman...

ilang ARAW ka na ba kasali sa powerhomes? i suggest you listen to other people, especially the government. Yang pinagmamalaki mo, malapit na mag sara.

ILLEGAL PYRAMIDING SCAM, alam mo ba kung ano yun?

FLP? FLP PHILIPPINES has 400 millionaires and counting. Around the world in 90, yes, NINETY COUNTRIES, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of millionaires of ALL nationalities and race for the past 25 years AND GOING STRONG for another 25 years more.

pare, bago ka palang. Mag isip isip ka habang maaga pa.

ano ba produkto nyo? kung di ako mag recruit, kikita ba ako jan? kung ako last na sumali, kikita ba ako? kaya dollars ang kinikita jan KASI DOLLARS DIN ANG hinihingi nyo! COMMON SENSE!

kung di ako mag recruit, di ako kikita. PYRAMIDING.

research ka pa sa net pare. basa ka libro pati dyaryo.

kaya mo maging milyonaire ng walang niloloko pare.

[sadirmata]

OK ang flp. kaya lang sobrang mahal ang mga products hindi afford ng karamihan.

MIB o BM na lang, walang products na ibebenta, walang quota, etc.

[kuyafish]

strange_dejavu,

pare.. bago ako sumali, inalam ko muna ang negosyo... u have to know that a coin has 2 sides.. yan ang ginawa ko.. nakita ko maganda at possible kaya sumali ako... at kumikita naman ako ng malaki at nakakatulong pa ako sa iba...

ilang ARAW ka na ba kasali sa powerhomes? i suggest you listen to other people, especially the government. Yang pinagmamalaki mo, malapit na mag sara.

tignan nalang natin kun magsasara.. to think na mag 2 years na aired sa IBC-13 ang regular TV program ng Powerhomes, mukhang malabong magsara... and 3 times natalo ang SEC sa caso against Powerhomes... magsasara?? there are 24 developers linked to powerhomes including the big guys.. fil-estate,filinvest,robinsons land, fantasy world.. etc... mukhang malabong magsara...

kun pareho tayo nagbabasa ng dyaryo n books n infos ***** nabasa mo na rin tong mga articles sa site na to at sa inattach ko.. kun hindi basahin mo na rin...

http://www.e-magazineonline.com//spotlight/SPO/SPO0137.htm

ILLEGAL PYRAMIDING SCAM, alam mo ba kung ano yun?

eto na cut ko from the article.. november 21 of last year pa toh..

Who's legit, who's not
Assistant Director Syquia said the SEC has 10 cases of pyramid schemes, but that the cases are still confidential in nature. "The cases that are not confidential, but are still pending in the courts, are those from Prosperity.com and Power Homes."

Power Homes Unlimited Corp. (www.powerhomes.net) uses the same MLM setup, but markets real estate properties. On its Web site, the company claims it " promotes and facilitates sales of real properties and other related products of real estate deve-lopers through effective leverage marketing." Like other Web-based MLMs, it also offers 15MB of "free Web space and e-mail."

The Web site's FAQ (frequently asked questions) reiterates that the company is not a pyramid scam. Powerhomes has basic products and services, namely the B.T.P. or Business Training Packages Plus Web site, and principal products and services, namely, R.E.P. or Real Estate Properties, such as house and lots, townhouses and condominiums.

Investigations conducted by DTI and by several legal firms have confirmed that Power Homes does not fit the criteria of illegal investments.

Another argument the company refutes is the structure. "Almost all networking business organizations are based on a hierarchical type of structure. However, if you have an imbalanced leg (right or left) and your downline's direct or indirect referrals have a balance left and right, he or she may get a higher commission than you do. This situation may be reserved once your weak leg moves. So in this situation, it is justified that Power Homes is not engaged in illegal pyramiding."

Yngson agrees that the product serves as the barometer. "Until you're proven guilty, you can't be labeled as a pyramid scheme. But they will yak some alibi like 'we have our own pro-ducts, so you can't accuse us of being a pyramid scam.' They will barrage you with technical jargon. You will tend to be confused. And once you get to that point, you are stalemate. They bank on the ignorance of other people."

ETO NAMAN UN RECENT...

Current Issues and Concerns:

Like any growing organization, PowerHomes has its own share of growing up pains and organizational headaches. It continues to be the target of intrigues and what is believed to be a concerted attempt by some unscrupulous quarters to discredit the company. It has been inaccurately accused of being a pyramiding business and unfairly charged of having violated SEC rules and regulations by selling, offering for sale or distributing securities which it definitely does not deal with. At the same time, old issues have been hurled against it, e.g. the issuance by SEC of a Cease and Desist Order (CDO) in January 2001. Those who continue to dig up this issue are deliberately omitting the fact that the CDO has been superseded by a Court of Appeals resolution issued in May 2001, for a Temporary Restraining Order advising SEC and its Compliance and Enforcement Department not to implement the CDO, pending a more thorough study of the case. To a layman, this simply means that PowerHomes can legally continue with its operations. To the 108,700 MSAs, Marketing Managers (MMs) and Power Pillars(PP) scattered all over the Philippines and those in foreign countries (Hongkong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Japan, Germany, Italy, UAE, Bahrain, Saipan, Taiwan, US , Canada, etc.), it means justice has prevailed. To settle the issue once and for all, PowerHomes filed a Memorandum with the 8th Division of the Court of Appeals, Manila last April 17, 2002, with the prayer that the Writ of Preliminary Injunction dated July 13, 2001 be made permanent; that the CED Case against PowerHomes be dismissed and the CDO dated January 26, 2001 be nullified.

FLP? FLP PHILIPPINES has 400 millionaires and counting. Around the world in 90, yes, NINETY COUNTRIES, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of millionaires of ALL nationalities and race for the past 25 years AND GOING STRONG for another 25 years more.

ok din ako sa FLP kaso nga lang mahal ang products and i cant use it pag gusto ko sumali.. nonetheless, sa POWERHOMES, kahit hindi ko gawin ang business hindi ako lugi.. sa e-learning na product palang and sa computer trainings bawi na un binayad ko.. parang nag enrol ako sa school.. much better lang kasi sa POWERHOMES, i have the option to do the business..

pare, bago ka palang. Mag isip isip ka habang maaga pa.

ikaw matagal ka na... mag isip isip ka na rin para mag iba naman lifestyle mo...

ano ba produkto nyo? kung di ako mag recruit, kikita ba ako jan? kung ako last na sumali, kikita ba ako? kaya dollars ang kinikita jan KASI DOLLARS DIN ANG hinihingi nyo! COMMON SENSE!

kikita ka parin kahit hindi ka magrecruit kasi pwede ka mag benta ng real estate, e-learning access card, accident insurance, internet cards... actually, hindi naman nagrerecruit ang powerhomes.. nagbebenta kme ng MTP (or un marketing training package).. eto ***** un acala mong recruiting... sa MTP merong real estate salesmanship training,computer literacy training, and leverage marketing training... you pay to enrol in these courses... intangible products ang tawag dyan dba...

walang magiging last dito kasi global ang market dito... every day may pinapanganak... at real estate ang principal product dito...

hindi kami humihingi ng dollars.. bayad un.. para don sa mga gustong bumili ng producto...

kung di ako mag recruit, di ako kikita. PYRAMIDING.

kun hindi ka magbebenta, hindi ka kikita.. COMMON SENSE.

research ka pa sa net pare. basa ka libro pati dyaryo.

*** rin pare research ka rin.. kasi bago ako sumali.. nag doubt rin ako katulad mo pro syempre.. inalam ko muna lahat bago ako sumali...

kaya mo maging milyonaire ng walang niloloko pare.

kaya mo maging milyonaire pag tinulungan mo muna ang iba maging milyonaire.. kaya nga helping business ang tawag namin sa negosyong powerhomes..

hope to see you in the top! God bless!!

[SoliduS_AlphA]

pwede ba FLP thread ito, kung ayaw mo umasenso buhay mo wag mo pero kung gusto mo umasenso buhay mo mag FLP ka.

some will join some will not , SO WHAT ? NEXT!!!!.

[Strange_Dejavu]

Originally posted by KuyaDanny:

Here's what I could gather after spending 10 minutes viewing the Powerhomes website.


They are trying to build a referral network to be used in the selling of real estate properties (principally affordable residential property) built by 15 different real estate developers. It is not clear if any, or all, of the 15 companies have an ownership interest in Powerhomes.


A member must pay $234 (that would be the P12,000 DELISYUS mentioned), and this money is to be used to fund a "training program" for the member. The training deals with referral marketing techniques and "computer literacy".


After completion of the training program, the member may begin referring customers for real estate property. Successful sales of property earn commissions, which are distributed throughout the referral network, including the member who referred it.


Members are given free email accounts and webspace, presumably to give them an online "presence" and help them make more referrals.


The member may recruit other members who also pay $234, and makes a commission off the membership fees.


Here are some questions you might want to ask these guys:


If they are trying to build a selling network, why are the members of the network required to pay for their own training? In the long run, shouldn't the value the members give to the organization outweigh the costs of training and keeping them?


If I am a friendly person and know a lot of prospective buyers of real estate properties, why should I join Powerhomes when it might be easier and cheaper to approach the developers directly with my referrals?


Why were they issued a cease and desist order by the Securities and Exchange Commission?


Why aren't the stockholders of this company listed on the website?


Please think carefully before parting with your hard-earned money.

...

pwede ba kuya fish FLP thread to, dun ka nalang sa powerhomes thread or whatever. wala kaming pakialam sa POWERHOMES dahil MALAYO... napaka layo sa FLP pare...

unang una wala naman kayong products.

pangalawa wala kayo sa top 500 corporations sa Pilipinas.

pangatlo wala din ang may ari nyo sa FORBES 400 richest men in America.

pang apat P1.8 BILLION ang sales namin locally, $1.5 BILLION naman wolrdwide. kayo walang sales, dahil walang products diba?

pang lima, we are present in 90 countries worldwide. NINETY.

pang anim, there was NEVER a question about the legality or credibilty of FLP INTERNATIONAL. there are no failures in FLP, only quitters. there is a big difference.

pang pito... tama na nga.

kuya fish, wag mo iwan number mo pag tapos mo mag post... halatang bago ka. Tagal ko na nagpo post dito kahit isang beses hindi ako nag iwan ng contact number. pang desperadong networker yan hehe.

good luck nalang jan, sana kumita ka jan bago mag sara yan :D

[Strange_Dejavu]

solidus, sino upline mo? :D

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
solidus, sino upline mo? :D
upline ng upline ko : upline Bernard and Jun Cappellan
yung downline nila yun ang naging upline ng mga upline ko.kaso baguhan pa lang ako ,nanghihina na nga ako eh kelangan ko na mag NDO para maging tunay na agila kasi medyo tinamaan ako ng malas,naghahagilap ako ng mga bebentahan ng products kaso medyo mahirap talaga pero ok lang, tinatyaga ko kasi yung upline ko may napag AS sya in 3 days,samantalang ako 2 months na di pa AS pero ok lang kaso sayang yung time.Di ako makapag combo pack kasi talagang financially down ako.Sayang nga kasi binaba na ang price ng combo pack.

[Ellheym]

actually, naging supervisor ako diyan..iyon nga lang hindi ako nagtagal kasi ang hirap talaga ng ginagawa.. medyo hindi ko na kaya.. ang dami kasing training!

solidus: kung hindi ka pa AS sana gawan mo kaagad iyan ng paraan.. kasi alam mo kung gusto mo talaga ang business ay gagawan mo ng paraan.. i'm not negative about flp.. ang dami ko ring natutunan regarding sa business.. at hindi ko iyon makakalimutan.. at kahit naman papano ay kumita ako diyan..,. medyo malaki din... pero siguro hindi ako dapat diyan sa ngayon.. ksi medyo mabagal din kasi ang kitaan.. lalo na ngayon na medyo mahina ang pinas.. mahirap ang pera. :(

goodluck sayo.. at sana kung ano man ang natutunan mo sa training ay lagi mong apply sa sarili mo.. at sana mag start ka na rin mag invite para meron ka ng reserve if ever mag AS ka.. para kikita ka rin kaagad.

pwede ka namang maging AS na hindi ka mag combopak.. pwde naman kahit tingi tingi.. tapos share mo iyong products.. oh well.. do i really sound like a Supervisor.. ganyan kasi ako noon.. sa mga downlines ko.. actually mss ko na nga sila eh..

ang upline ko nga pala ay si jun kintanar.. under ako ng asawa niya.. at sa bestfriend niya na si Francis Sagaran. :) kung makikilala mo sila.. extend my regards to them.. sabihin si janneth from laguna. :)

good luck!

kaya mo iyan!

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

aba Bumbay member ka na rin pala nyan? kelan ka pa nag start? and magkano na combo pack ngayon? kelan pa sya bumaba? yung mga prices ba ng mga products bumaba na rin? sige pre goodluck sayo.... bilisan mo na pag e-AS mo, kaya mo yan... *okay*

[Zen]

Originally posted by bunny_kat
My boyfriend and i had an experience with this forever living mlm. His classmate back in hs invited him to a party. Sinama lang nya ko. Japorms pa kami non. Turned out na magrerecruit lang yung classmate nya. Sana sinabi agad na ganon lang pala ang gagawin namin don. Parang niloko kami. Pero cge pagbigyan pumunta pa kami sa GH the ff day. But ayaw talaga namin eh.

Tapos may isa pang same incident. Sabi despedida party daw. Ganon din pala. Had a similar incident with a HS friend of mine. Haven't seen her for 5 years and then all of a sudden she was insisting on seeing each other ASAP. She kept on boasting about her job and all her officemates that got rich (she incidentally never said where she works) but that she was contemplating of not finishing her studies. :hopeless: I later find out from another friend that she did the same thing and then brought her to their office without telling them na it was some recruitment day of sorts. And now she keeps on insisting that I visit their office (wow, as if I don't have my own work) without telling me why. It's sad that she had to cover it up pa, ampanget ng dating eh. Ngayon tuloy we're trying to avoid her at baka maipit kami ng di oras. :shutup:

After all the trainings to go through, one would think that they'd have better ways of recruiting people by now. :shrug2:

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by Ellheym


solidus: kung hindi ka pa AS sana gawan mo kaagad iyan ng paraan.. kasi alam mo kung gusto mo talaga ang business ay gagawan mo ng paraan.. i'm not negative about flp.. ang dami ko ring natutunan regarding sa business.. at hindi ko iyon makakalimutan.. at kahit naman papano ay kumita ako diyan..,. medyo malaki din... pero siguro hindi ako dapat diyan sa ngayon.. ksi medyo mabagal din kasi ang kitaan.. lalo na ngayon na medyo mahina ang pinas.. mahirap ang pera. :(

goodluck sayo.. at sana kung ano man ang natutunan mo sa training ay lagi mong apply sa sarili mo.. at sana mag start ka na rin mag invite para meron ka ng reserve if ever mag AS ka.. para kikita ka rin kaagad.

pwede ka namang maging AS na hindi ka mag combopak.. pwde naman kahit tingi tingi.. tapos share mo iyong products.. oh well.. do i really sound like a Supervisor.. ganyan kasi ako noon.. sa mga downlines ko.. actually mss ko na nga sila eh..

ang upline ko nga pala ay si jun kintanar.. under ako ng asawa niya.. at sa bestfriend niya na si Francis Sagaran. :) kung makikilala mo sila.. extend my regards to them.. sabihin si janneth from laguna. :)

good luck!

kaya mo iyan!
Thanks,well eto nag start na ako mag tingi,masipag kasi kami nung upline ko at lagi kami nag N NDO at lagi kaming naka mind setting,aside from that nung nagkasakit ako umiinom ako ng aloe berry nectar ,I really used their products and found out na maganda talaga sa katawan,yun nga lang daming mga negative sa bahat at mga ***** pero di ko pinapansin kasi DESIDIDO
talaga kami ng upline ko na maging manager next year.Sayang sana di ka nag quit para manager ka na rin,may target kasi kami ng upline aside from the car incentive,speaking of Jun K, he told us this : Kanino kayo makikinig? Sa Failure or sa Successful?
sinabi nya yun sa amin nung Nov. 19, ganun lang kaikli yung sinabi nya but it had a big impact on me.Actually konti pa lang na invite ko kasi di pa ako AS, kumbaga pinagpapraktisan ko muna yung mga nainvite ko, ayun negative pero ok lang atleast napagpraktisan ko sila.Pero mas gusto ko mag combo pak kaso nga lang talagang short ako.Sa ngayon tinatrabaho na namin yung 2 cc ko kasi sayang ang oras.


Originally posted by CLaiRe_ChiLL
aba Bumbay member ka na rin pala nyan? kelan ka pa nag start? and magkano na combo pack ngayon? kelan pa sya bumaba? yung mga prices ba ng mga products bumaba na rin? sige pre goodluck sayo.... bilisan mo na pag e-AS mo, kaya mo yan... *okay*
12K na lang yung Combo pak kaso untill December lang yun kaya nag tingi ako pero bago sumapit next year tapos na ang 2pts ko malapit na ako mag AS,September ako na join,eto ginagamit ko yung products nila ok sa katawan, tinigil ko na pati ang pagyoysi ko,umiinom kasi ako ng aloe vera juice at absorbent c nila.

sige kita kits na lang uli.

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

aba 12k na lang ngayon ang combo pack? baket binaba nila? so ano yon? nagbawas din ba sila ng product don sa combo pack? and pano nga pala yung mga prices ng kada isang product? bumaba rin ba or ganon pa rin ang price?

[cs_NOGNOG]

hello sa mga upline and crossline. :)

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by CLaiRe_ChiLL
aba 12k na lang ngayon ang combo pack? baket binaba nila? so ano yon? nagbawas din ba sila ng product don sa combo pack? and pano nga pala yung mga prices ng kada isang product? bumaba rin ba or ganon pa rin ang price?

Oo binaba na nila ang price ng combo pak,kaya nga next year tatapusin ko na yung 2 cc ko kasi sayang ang oras, eto busy mag NDO at OPP pati na product demo, Hindi nila binawasan yung laman ng combo pak pareho pa rin pati yung retail price, ibinaba lang yung wholesale price ng combo pak para sa mga distributors para mas madali matapos ang 2cc. Magpapasko kasi kaya binaba ni Rex Maughan yung price ng combo pak.

Hello din sa mga crossline. :wave:

[Strange_Dejavu]

bakit 12 thousand nalng ang combo pak? kasi gusto ni rex maughan, yun lang. worldwide yan, binabaan ang price, gulat nga lahat eh, ganun pa din and laman. 27 products. of course, yung retail value ng combo pak, bumaba din, so mas maliit ng konti yung rebates. pero mas malaki yung value ng pag AS eh, di namn impt yung few pesos na mawawala sa rebates :)

solidus, ok mga uplines mo, kung ako syo mag AS ka na agad kung seryoso ka talaga...

di namn sinabi na kailangan ng combo pak eh.

di mo ba na puntahan yung training ni tony miguel? yung systema nya para mag Manager ng walang "combo pakers" kung tawagin? i suggest tanong mo paano yun, ganda ng training na yun.

indefinite ang decrease na yan, bka hindi na ibalik sa 14550. :)

tuloy na daw yung lamborghini ni upline Jun k. bka february pa, kasi intayin pa yung profit sharing. :D

[SoliduS_AlphA]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
bakit 12 thousand nalng ang combo pak? kasi gusto ni rex maughan, yun lang. worldwide yan, binabaan ang price, gulat nga lahat eh, ganun pa din and laman. 27 products. of course, yung retail value ng combo pak, bumaba din, so mas maliit ng konti yung rebates. pero mas malaki yung value ng pag AS eh, di namn impt yung few pesos na mawawala sa rebates :)

solidus, ok mga uplines mo, kung ako syo mag AS ka na agad kung seryoso ka talaga...

di namn sinabi na kailangan ng combo pak eh.

di mo ba na puntahan yung training ni tony miguel? yung systema nya para mag Manager ng walang "combo pakers" kung tawagin? i suggest tanong mo paano yun, ganda ng training na yun.

ganun kabait si Rex Maughan,binaba ang combo pak para sa akin j/k. kaya nya binaba yun kasi para sa mga distributor na talagang nahihirapan,btw andun ako nung nag training si Tony Miguel, bale almost 1 week straight ako na NDO, product demo, at OPP.sino pala upline mo? Yung tinuro ni Tony Miguel inaaply namin kaya lang medyo mahirap pero nakapg product demo ako sa mga barkada ko kahapon,may be next week product demo uli ako sa ibang kabarkada ko. Goodluck! *okay* See you on the top.Nagstart na ako mag tingi this month kaya lang yung pang combo pak ko hinihintay ko na lang dumating kasi once na mag AS akoifu fulltime ko ito.

power! :rocker:

[mdupet]

I've been with the company for over a year now and all I can say is that it's hard work but it's worth it.

There are two ways you can earn in FLP. (1) You can do direct selling of its Aloe Vera and other health products which is of course very popular world wide. And (2) create your own sales organization by training downlines.

I'm doing both. Everyday I go out to offer the wonderful products to as many people as I can and through that earn an additional 5-10T a month in retail profit. I already have a handful of loyal customers who just orders when their supply runs out. At the same time, I also invite people whom I know are business minded into becoming my partners. Of course, it's not enough that you recruit them, you have to train them and show to them how to become successful in the business. I never tell them to quit their job. Plus! They have to be open to the concept of selling. I now have 24 active distributors from whom I'm making an additional 15-20T a month.

You don't have to be a Jun Kintanar to say you're successful in FLP. The additional income that I'm making right now is already right for my pocket plus the joy of helping other people earn the same. I'm not interested in the cars, travel or anything else. However, an additional 30 T a month is enough to feed my family and save a little before I finally retire.

If ever you join FLP...always think of the people first before yourself. Then and only then will you start enjoying what you're doing.

I'm here to stay!!!

[tadeus]

Does anyone knows Anthony Piamonte?

[cs_NOGNOG]

Originally posted by mdupet

Jun Kintanar is simply a role model. Hindi namin siya sinasamba. The newest member of his organization is Frank Borromeo, one of the richest man in Cebu City with dealerships of Ford and McDonald franchises. He's definitely richer than Jun Kintanar but he still joined because he was inspired by Jun's ability to lead people. He's battle cry? "Me mapayaman lang akong isang tao gaya ni Jun...masaya na ako."

Tanong? Si Jun Kintanar mahigit 80 na ang napayaman. Ikaw, ilan na?

Totoo yan.

He's the brother of my boss here in Ford Alabang. The Borromeos are old rich but they still joined. In fact downline ni Frank yung brother nya si Max Borromeo yung may ari ng Ford Alabang.

[tadeus]

Yo FLP Millionaires!

Bakit expired na yung http://www.flpphil.com na domain?

Dami-dami niyo pera* hindi niyo marenew.

:glee:

[lamin8]

Originally posted by tadeus


...I don't need to go to any bank. I can see your company thru one of your "successful one".



...wag kang pikon pre. nagmumura ka pa eh.

...paano akong maniniwala sa "successful one" na neighbor ko eh sabi niya nakakakuha na daw siya ng almmost Php 100,000 a month na kita eh ang pa-repair ng bahay eh halos Php 30,000 lang ang aabutin.

...me Pajero ka nga, bulok naman bahay mo. Katawatawa di ba.

:) Peace!

may questions ako para kay tadeus:

1) has someone explained the business to you? how long ago was that?

2) to finish this debate once and for all, show us the reserve of flp sa bpi and all the sec, dti papers saying flp is indeed what you say it is.

3) how can you say panget yung products? where's your tangible proof? i personally use their products. although it hasnt cured my condition (sabi naman ng doctor na i will have this condition for life), at least di nagde-deteriorate health ko. i dont drink any other medicine. i only take flp supplements.

show the proof. wag lang puro yabang.

[Zeratul]

Forever Living is NOT a HELPING people business.

Forever Living is a USING people business, just like all MLMs.

Wala pa kasing law regulating direct selling unlike in the US, they have begun to regulate if not BAN the recruitment gimmicks of MLMs and binaries.

You HELP people by training them to USE (RECRUIT) other people into your marketing chain which contradicts trends in communication technology. Instead of bypassing the intermediary, your task is to create more and more intermediaries to USE OTHER SUBSERVIENT PEOPLE as your downlines to GENERATE TRUCKLOADS OF WEALTH.

Ergo, FLP and other MLMs is a USING OTHER PEOPLE BUSINESS.

Simple as that.

[Zeratul]

Forever Living is NOT a HELPING people business.

Forever Living is a USING people business, just like all MLMs.

Wala pa kasing law regulating direct selling unlike in the US, they have begun to regulate if not BAN the recruitment gimmicks of MLMs and binaries.

You HELP people by training them to USE (RECRUIT) other people into your marketing chain which contradicts trends in communication technology. Instead of bypassing the intermediary, your task is to create more and more intermediaries to USE OTHER SUBSERVIENT PEOPLE as your downlines to GENERATE TRUCKLOADS OF WEALTH.

Ergo, FLP and other MLMs is a USING OTHER PEOPLE BUSINESS.

FLP rallies espouse the LOWEST FORM of CRASS MATERIALISM.

Simple as that.

[wpg3]

zeratul,
im assuming u have absolutely no idea what a legit MLM company is all about. ibang iba ang binary system sa MLM system. marami lang masyado lumalabas sa Philippines na scams kaya hindi na maganda ang rep ng MLM. (especially for those who have no idea about it)
sa binary system 2 lang ang pwede mo irecruit, (BINARY, para malinaw sayo) at hindi na pwde lampasan ng nirecruit mo ang kinikita mo, isa pa, walang products, or usually, front lang ang products nila. and kumikita sila sa PAGRERECRUIT, hindi sa PRODUCTS. tawag dun illegal PYRAMIDING.
in a legit MLM company however,u can recruit as many people as you can, free ang membership, and your income comes from the movement of the products. kuha mo?
FLP PHILIPPINES has 400 millionaires and counting. Around the world in 90, yes, NINETY COUNTRIES, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of millionaires of ALL nationalities and race for the past 25 years AND GOING STRONG for another 25 years more, tapos sasabihin mo hindi HELPING business.. sa kumpanya mo, ilan na tinulungan na pinayaman ng amo mo?
wala kang alam sa amin kaya wag ka magsalita ng ganyan.

tadeus,
tignan mo nalang yung website namin www.foreverliving.com baka mas maganda kasi website ng kumpanya mo

[tadeus]

Originally posted by lamin8


may questions ako para kay tadeus:

1) has someone explained the business to you? how long ago was that?



Yup!

I was fooled twice by my "kapitbahay" ang my old friend, by telling me to go to their house because they have a "pakain, handaan or inuman". Then a guy, who "owns" the new car in front the house, started speaking and have us watched the jun kintanar video.

Sounds familiar eiy!





2) to finish this debate once and for all, show us the reserve of flp sa bpi


Ask the FLP boiz about that. I don't have their bankbook.
;)


and all the sec, dti papers saying flp is indeed what you say it is.



Browse this thread, you'll find a lot of them.



3) how can you say panget yung products? where's your tangible proof? i personally use their products. although it hasnt cured my condition (sabi naman ng doctor na i will have this condition for life), at least di nagde-deteriorate health ko. i dont drink any other medicine. i only take flp supplements.

show the proof. wag lang puro yabang.


"pero it hasn't cured my condition?"

You said it all by yourself.
;)

[tadeus]

Originally posted by wpg3

tadeus,
tignan mo nalang yung website namin www.foreverliving.com baka mas maganda kasi website ng kumpanya mo

Wala bang local FLP URL?

[Zeratul]

Yeah, yeah.

Baloney, garbage, and pompous hovel.

How then do the people at the top become millionaires? By retailing their products alone in their sales chain? Yeah right. Dude, each monthly paycheck from MLM companies - Lifestyles, Reliv, Amway, FLP, etc. include a RECRUITMENT COMMISSION from each individual you sponsor to do the business.

Lifestyles & Reliv have start up payments of P1,500 and P450 respectively. Some MLMs entice you to frontload on their inventories to accelerate & boost your "success up the ladder" by persuading you to invest in a larger package with the cassette tapes, videos, and other RUBBISH you do not need.

I have been studying the replication of MLMs and ponzi scams ever since. For 400 millionaires around the world, there is a corresponding PYRAMID BASE that supports them. If you want me to use euphemisms for your "business" let us call it your "sales network". These people continue the vicious cycle of recruitment over, playing the Jun Kintanar video over and over again like a broken record without even thinking of market saturation and shattering the intimate social circle of others. Hence, the imagery you have is that of a VERY RICH UPLINE who has lots of extended marketing intermediaries collecting large sums of commission regularly.

The word ETHICAL has a relative connotation. I leave it up to you MLMers to decide whether you are HELPING or USING other people's lives.

[Strange_Dejavu]

Zeratul,

Seems you dont know anything about FLP's compensation plan...

Yeah right. Dude, each monthly paycheck from MLM companies - Lifestyles, Reliv, Amway, FLP, etc. include a RECRUITMENT COMMISSION from each individual you sponsor to do the business.

Umm, nope. To be a member of FLP, just sign-up, pay SIX PESOS for the form, and THATS IT. You can purchase products at wholesale price, sell it at retail. No FEES whatsoever.

Jun Kintanar DID NOT BUY A KIT, but rather bought at minimum purchase, sold at retail, bought again, sold again, until he accumulated enough points to start building his downine. Jeepney driver yun, walang 12T pesos yun. The COMBO PAK is an option, you dont have to buy it to be a member.

Uhhh, lifestyles and reliv dont even measure up to FLP. it's like comparing EVER GOTESCO with AYALA CENTER.

I could recruit a THOUSAND people and not earn a single peso until someone buys a product. there is NO RECRUITMENT COMMISSION IN FLP. PURE AND SIMPLE. if Jun Kintanar is making 1Million a month, his GROUP SALES is about 15-20 MILLION. thats how much products have to move for him to earn that much. san yun RECRUITMENT COMMISSION dun?

Helping or using?

For 400 millionaires around the world, there is a corresponding PYRAMID BASE that supports them.

Umm, yung 400 millionaires, sa PINAS pa lang yun, over the past 10 years lang. you have NO IDEA. i suggest you take a look at FLP germany or FLP JAPAN. they have sales of over 8-10 BILLION
pesos. Maliit lang sa PINAS, almost 2 BILLION LANG. meaning, the products MOVE. RECRUITMENT COMMISSIONS APPLY ONLY TO ILLEGAL PYRAMID SCHEMES.

How much do rich billionaire owners of large corporations pay new hirees to work for 8-12 hrs a day, 5-6 days a week? P7000?
P10000? Who's using who? how many employees do you think Lucio Tan has, all working for him, making him richer and richer? How many MILLIONAIRES has EMPLOYMENT made over the past 10 years? The corporate structure is the LARGEST PYRAMID THERE IS, where ONLY those on TOP make all the money, right?

nobody is going to force you to join an MLM, simply because you have to be 18yrs old and above, meaning you CAN THINK FOR YOURSELF. Hope you succeed in whatever you are doing, and that you help others while doing it. though its really difficult to help other if you cant even help yourself.

[Strange_Dejavu]

Zeratul,

Wala pa kasing law regulating direct selling unlike in the US, they have begun to regulate if not BAN the recruitment gimmicks of MLMs and binaries.

Unlike in the US? wow sobrang galing talaga sa US noh? kaya pala the owner of FLP International, Rex Maughan, is in the latest issue of FORBES 400 RICHEST MEN IN AMERICA. Pang #368 lang naman eh... dahil ba sa FLP? NOPE. he was a Billionaire BEFORE he built FLP. he owns 22 resorts and marinas in the US, about 10 hotels, over 200 houseboats, and 2 safaris in south africa.

FLP Int'l is a PRIVATE COMPANY. WHY? simply because they DONT NEED OUTSIDE CAPITAL. The SOLE owner can finance EVERYTHING, and buys ALL their properties, such as the 5000 ACRE plantation in the dominican republic, IN CASH.

kaya pala sa Phoenix Arizona, which has a GDP that is bigger than that of the Philippines, and is one of the RICHEST states in the US, #1 and LARGEST PRIVATE COMPANY ang FLP.

kaya pala they belong to the TOP 5% of taxpayers in the USA. oh, and in all of the NINETY COUNTRIES na may FLP. kaya pala sa latest issue ng PHILIPPINES TOP 5000 CORPORATIONS, #351 LANG ang FLP PHILIPPINES. #351 among the TOP 5000 of the over 500,000 corporations in the Philippines. do the math.

kaya pala after 25 years all over the world, they are the worlds largest grower, manufacturer, and distributor of natural health products.

like i said, say what you want about all those othe illegal pyramids, but do your research about FLP first. mapapahiya ka lang eh. FLP is a Normal company, a normal business. there is NO SECRET FORMULA for success in FLP, just plain old hard work. just like anywhere else.

[Zeratul]

If FLP has NO RECRUITMENT COMMISSION (aka TONG), then you earn solely on retail. Mabagal yung rise mo sa ladder pero legit sa DTI at SEC. Is that what you're trying to say?

You are one of the few non-hostile, diplomatic persons to respond to my thread posts. I gratefully appreciate that. The other diehard FLP distributor I've met is SO rude and barbaric and has not heard of diplomacy and does not understand different opinions.

So you're trying to say Ponzi Scam yung Intra? In that case I agree with you 100%. And to think it was a good family friend who invited me.

They require a P 1,500 joining fee nonrefundable. You get commissions from every recruit: P10,000 for a guy who gets a 9+1 (81 bottles), P3,000 for one who gets a Premier Pack (29 bottles) - WITHOUT ANY RETAIL ACTIVITY - JUST THE SOLE PURCHASE OF INTRA.

Isn't that a case of DISGUISED FRONTLOADING? I just hope the DTI investigation into several MLMs will bring light to other people's social conscience.

:)

[SoLvent Boy]

Originally posted by Zeratul
If FLP has NO RECRUITMENT COMMISSION (aka TONG), then you earn solely on retail. Mabagal yung rise mo sa ladder pero legit sa DTI at SEC. Is that what you're trying to say?

You are one of the few non-hostile, diplomatic persons to respond to my thread posts. I gratefully appreciate that. The other diehard FLP distributor I've met is SO rude and barbaric and has not heard of diplomacy and does not understand different opinions.

So you're trying to say Ponzi Scam yung Intra? In that case I agree with you 100%. And to think it was a good family friend who invited me.

They require a P 1,500 joining fee nonrefundable. You get commissions from every recruit: P10,000 for a guy who gets a 9+1 (81 bottles), P3,000 for one who gets a Premier Pack (29 bottles) - WITHOUT ANY RETAIL ACTIVITY - JUST THE SOLE PURCHASE OF INTRA.

Isn't that a case of DISGUISED FRONTLOADING? I just hope the DTI investigation into several MLMs will bring light to other people's social conscience.


Ngayon nalinawan na ang utak ng isang nagmamarunong dyan tapos mamimintas pa ,utang na loob wag ka magmalinis dahil eto pruweba ko laban sa paninira mo sa aming kompanya.Hirap kasi sa iba dyan husga ng husga dada ng dada wala namang laman ang sinasabi.Tapos papaliwanagan mo ng maayos biglang sasagot ng pabalagbag sabay aangal hay naku ang noypi nga naman, oy inutil eto yung mga pinagsasabi mo kaya tigilan mo pagmamalinis mo dahil bubuhusan kita ng isang drum na aloe vera para matanggal yang dumi sa utak at katawan mo. :rotfl: :rotfl:


para sa mga taga FLP hanapin nyo ang taong nagsabi nito at irecruit nyo para sa akin dahil gagawin ko itong downline! at papaliguan ko ito ng maraming aloe vera at papainumin ko ng pitsel pitsel na aloe vera juice para luminis ang utak nito. ::glee:
Originally posted by Zeratul
Tadeus, humirit naman si Mr. SoLventBoy at yung mga AGO-GO-RAH-RAH FLP pipol na DUGYOT, MANGMANG, GUNGGONG, UHUGIN, at LIBAGIN! Lintik yung mga MLMers na yan!

I know it all - ALL THE DARK SIDE OF GREEDY FLP RECRUITERS!!!

They say that FLP MLM is a HELPING others business.

Actually FLP is a USING OTHERS business.

You HELP other people by suckering - ay mali - recruiting them pala to FLP "business meetings" where they hear nothing but baloney, brouhaha and AGO-GO-RAH-RAH-RAH CRAP about FLP, Jun Kintanar & his Ferrari, and other MATERIALISTIC DOCTRINES, urging you to quit your "enslavement" - or "employment" no matter how happy you are in your present job.

You HELP other people by teaching them and giving them improvised methods on how to keep their excitement levels high, how to lure them to a state of transient euphoria about unrealistic promises of wealth, how to do the same thing to "build their network of success" by DUPING others into the same ritual orgy of recruiting LOWLIFE con artist MLMers.

You HELP other people by spreading the gospel that EMPLOYMENT = ENSLAVEMENT, that GREED = GOOD, that FLP = MEGABUCKS. You teach others to replicate the success of FILTHY MATERIALISTIC UPLINES to create more and more intermediaries to SIPHON LARGER & FATTER RECRUITMENT COMMISSIONS from your family and friends.

Yung ayaw mamulat sa katotohanan ay namimihasa at PUPULUTIN sa KANGKUNGAN.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL YOU FILTHY FOREVIL DYING PRODUCTS A$$HOLES!!!


Ang hirap kasi sa iba dyan kakausapin ko sana ng maayos kaso inunahan agad ako ng maanghang na salita, ni hindi nya pa nga alam kung ano ang meron sa loob ng FLP ang dami na nyang sinasabi, malas na lang nito pag narecruit ko sya.O kaya marecruit ko kamag anak nya, wow ang saya nun tapos mag ho home party ako sa bahay nila sabay ipapa- A ko sya kay upline Richmond Yu, para mabigyan sya ng Piso para sa Negative.
Ayiiiiy!!!! :rotfl: :bleh:
Ay oo nga pala madami ako rito mga patunay kung gaano kalaki ang galit nya sa FLP pati yung sidekick nya na wala ring utak (syempre yung amo wala utak kaya pati sidekick walang utak).
Eto yung galit nya sa FLP, basahin nyo,baka kakilala nyo sya, kung pwede lang pakirecruit naman sya at ipa-A nyo sa akin.


Why Zeratul hates MLM and FLP so much ?Please read:
http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124732&pagenumber=1&threadpassword=


papaliguan ko ito ng aloe MPD para mamatay lahat ng mikroboy sa katawan.
Piso para sa negative
Piso para sa negative
Piso para sa negative
Piso para sa negative
Piso para sa negative
:rotfl:

[Strange_Dejavu]

Grabe.

I really thought for a while that i was talking to a decent person who was just giving his own opinion...

Tama ka, mejo kaduda duda yang intra, Front-end Loading nga yan...

pero pare, to generalize about all MLM's WITHOUT doing even A TINY BIT of research, well, hindi gawain ng mature na tao yan. You claim to know so much about MLM, and have a six-figure income from your (wow! GASP!) portfolio... galing mo naman, lahat ng stock market bagsak ang your'e making that much? i dont know, pero maybe you can share some tips with us mere mortals...)

To call Rolio Golez all those names you called him, and to diss FLP (Forever Dying asshols? grow up man.) like the way you did, nakakahiya. Do you even know Sec. Golez personally? Well, i do. He was voted Ten Outstanding Young Men in the Philippines once, and before becoming a politician, he was one of LUCIO TAN's TOP business consultants (Beer na Beer = Rolio Golez idea).
Post Master General sya (Project Mercury, kaya bumilis ang mailing system sa Pinas) when REX MAUGHAN, the owner of FLP, offered him the business of FLP. that was in 1991, amid all the discouragement and negativity from his friends (Roy ano ba yan? pati ba naman shampoo shampoo?) he still pushed on with it. He ran for congress in 1992, AFTER FLP was established in the country. He became inactive after that, and let his wife, Mrs. Natty Golez, run FLP as managing director. As congressman, well, you can ask anyone from paranaque about Golez. he ran for 3 terms and always won. now, as National Security Adviser, well i dont think you get to that position with a company engaged in a SCAM like FOREVER DYING diba? from what i see, you arent half the man Sec. Golez is. His FLP vision has made over 400 Filipinos millionaires, thats 400 families taken out of poverty. what have YOU done that you can call an accomplishment, other than make a 6 figure? $ income?? Fully liquid pala lahat ng assets mo eh, grabe ang galing mo talaga... ilang tao na ang napayaman mo? How many people's LIVES have changed because of you? i dont know, pero siguro meron din. isa? dalawa? Wow living on dividends ka na pala, i wonder why such a FINANCIAL GENIUS like you can find time to sit in front of his PC and say all this crap. dont you have anything better to do? yeah right. like someone who earns that would even bother to sit in front of his computer all day and minding other people's business.

Helping others business daw sila? Yeah right!!! Help those who got burned in MLM!!! Batiin mo sila ng Merry X'mas! FLP IS THE LOWEST FORM OF CRASS MATERIALISM I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED!!! Ferrari, Lamborghini, at Porsche. That, my friends is what FOREVIL DYING is all about.

tsk tsk tsk...

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Ninety countries already have FLP. 90. 25 years in the business, achieving their first $1 BILLION in sales after just 17 years. (McDonalds made theirs after 23 years). The company is VERTICALLY INTEGRATED, meaning they OWN EVERYTHING, from the aloe vera platations, the state ot the art manufacturing facilities, the trucking fleet, EVERYTYHING. The products are Kosher Rated, has Islamic Seals of Approval, approved by the USFDA, USDA, BFAD, IASC. The company is DEBT FREE, LITIGATION FREE. Please dont compare your PUNY company to FLP because you are not a BILLION DOLLAR, MULTINATIONAL company. I have laid out ALL the BARE FACTS about our company, not merely hearsay or personal opinions. Why have i not heard ANYBODY dispute these FACTS? because they cant, because it's all TRUE. all they can do now is take it personally and give their BASELESS opinions. Read my posts again if you must. Parang hindi nagre-register sa utak nyo eh, oh ayaw nyo lang tanggapin? i challenge you guys to find anything wrong about FLP that can be based on FACTS, not your unwanted and biased, narrow-minded opinions. Research! look it up in the Net! Go to SEC or DTI or FTC sa USA pa kung gusto nyo. 20 years of research na ang ginawa mo zeratul? bakit WALA KA PA DIN ALAM? PUTAK KAYO NG PUTAK, para kayong mga PABO. grabe, mas matanda ka pa naman sakin Zeratul, kaso mukhang sa utak hindi eh. sorry ha, mejo personal ka kasi manira eh. just giving you a dose of your own medicine.

FLP Philippines makes almost P2 BILLION in sales. To make it to the TOP 5000 corporations in the country is no mean feat, but the TOP 500??? questionable pa din ba? #351 NA NGA EH, PARANG DI NYO MARINIG. Jun Kintanar joined the company in 1996! HE DID NOT BUY A COMBO PAK TO JOIN. he simply signed up and sold products at retail. his first check was P700 for chrissakes! he became top distributor in 1999 pa! he started alone, former jeepney driver, with nothing but his disgust of his present condition of not being able to send his mom to the hospital when she got sick, of always hearing his parents fight over money. He was 23 that time, now he just turned 30. Pretty soon, someone will overtake JUN K as top distributor, just as he did about 6 years ago. FLP Philippines has ONLY around 20,000 ACTIVE distributors. Monthly average commissions for all of them is around P50 Million (you can check sa BPI ortigas, kasi NASA LOOB NG FLP OFFICE yung mismong clearing house nila for the checks.) FLP pays in checks (BPI) ANY AMOUNT of commission. even lower than P100. FLP sales averages around P100-P150 MILLION per MONTH.

AGAIN, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO RECRUITMENT COMMISION IN FLP. to join, just pay six pesos for your form and sign up. you will recieve you ID and ATP (authority to purchase) number which will alow you to buy at ANY FLP products center (around 50 all over the country) in the Philippines and IN ANY OF THE 90 COUNTRIES where FLP is present.

ONCE AGAIN, FOR ZERATUL, I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO MEMBERSHIP FEE, RECRUITMENT COMMISSION, SIGN UP FEE, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, in FLP. (repeat 100X)

NOW do you understand? Sign Up to avail of the discount, use whatever products you like (minimum purchase is P1500, sell that at retail and you make about P500), sell if you want to, show the products to people who you might think might be interested, AND THAT'S IT. now if another person wants to do the same thing, or even just get a discount, have them sign up under your name, simply becasue you NEED A SPONSOR to be able to sign up. WHERE THE HELL IS THE RECRUITMENT COMMISSION? THE INVENTORY LOADING?

Zeratul, i suggest you stay in your own thread, and come back when you have something of VALUE to say here. GROW UP.
Tadeus, wag ka na kasi humirit, SABI MO pa naman Lasallian ka eh grammar mo palang SABLAY na agad.

BTW SoLvent Boy, how did you joined FLP? Did you bought the "COMBO PACK"?

"how did you JOINED?" HAHAHA! "did you BOUGHT?" WAHAHA! NAKAHIYA. mag tagalog ka nalang please? LASALLE ANO KA BA? BASILAN? HOW DID YOU JOIN pati DID YOU BUY ok, para alam mo, tulong ko nalang sayo.

Solvent Boy, easy ka lang, wag mo na kasi sila patulan. masyado kang HOt eh! :) ibuhos mo nalang yan sa network mo, wag ka mag aksaya ng panahon sa negative. sabi nga ni Rex Maughan, the power of forever is the power of love hehehe.

Like it or not, FLP is here to stay. kaya nga FOREVER LIVING PRODUCTS EH. :D

[tadeus]

hehehe.

nagkakapikunan na dito ah.

kung si jun kintanar mayaman na edi hamak na mas mayaman sa kanya si golez?

tsk. tsk. tsk.


To call Rolio Golez all those names you called him, and to diss FLP (Forever Dying asshols? grow up man.) like the way you did, nakakahiya. Do you even know Sec. Golez personally? Well, i do. He was voted Ten Outstanding Young Men in the Philippines once, and before becoming a politician, he was one of LUCIO TAN's TOP business consultants (Beer na Beer = Rolio Golez idea).
Post Master General sya (Project Mercury, kaya bumilis ang mailing system sa Pinas) when REX MAUGHAN, the owner of FLP, offered him the business of FLP. that was in 1991, amid all the discouragement and negativity from his friends (Roy ano ba yan? pati ba naman shampoo shampoo?) he still pushed on with it. He ran for congress in 1992, AFTER FLP was established in the country. He became inactive after that, and let his wife, Mrs. Natty Golez, run FLP as managing director. As congressman, well, you can ask anyone from paranaque about Golez. he ran for 3 terms and always won. now, as National Security Adviser, well i dont think you get to that position with a company engaged in a SCAM like FOREVER DYING diba?

Golez, a good man?

Owwsss?!

Hey, FLP Boiz!
Magkano na ba "talaga" ang kinita nyo dyan?

[Strange_Dejavu]

tadeus, wala ka pa din sinasabi na matino eh. hilig mo humirit, di naman ikaw kausap. yan ba tinuro sayo sa "lasalle"?

baka hindi mo maintindihan, humihingi lang naman ako ng KAHIT ISANG matinong comment, fact, or even a question that can dispute ANYTHING i said in this whole thread. wala ka pa din masabi kundi "FLP boiz" at kung anu ano pa? hirap hiritan pag totoo eh noh?

Kung si Jun Kintanar mayaman na, eh di hamak na mas mayaman si Golez? Syempre, eh JEEPNEY DRIVER lang si Jun K SIX YEARS AGO. he is only 30 years old. Compared to Roilo Golez, who has been one of the top business consultants in the country for how many years, who studied in the US Naval Academy sa America, labo mo naman tadeus eh. another FLP distributor, Edmund Ramos, makes 3x as much as Jun K., simply because he has networks in 15 countries. si Jun K., sa pinas lang. Roilo Golez is not an active networker, founding managing director lang.

FLP Philippines makes almost 2 BILLION in SALES, sa tingin mo hindi pa mayaman si Golez dun? Ikaw kaya, magatayo ng NEGOSYO, na after 10 years kikita ng 2 BILLION annually, hindi ka pa ba yayaman? ikaw kaya managing director ng isang company na kasama sa TOP 400 CORPORATIONS sa PINAS, di ka mayaman? Kumuha ka nalang ng calculator, i-compute mo. Do you even know Roilo Golez personally? i dont think so. Sino ka para mag judge ng tao na HINDI MO MAN LANG NAKAUSAP KAHIT ISANG BESES?

Top German FLP distributors make as much as 100T euro monthly, peanuts lang ang kinikita nila Jun K. dito sa pilipinas. Wala kayong kaalam alam talaga, hirit kayo ng hirit...

Magakano na ba talaga kinikita namin dito? ako personally, kung gusto mo talaga malaman, yung SWELDO mo, malamang TAX ko lang. :D

Good luck sayo pare, sana umasenso ka sa panlalait ng ibang tao.

wag ka nalang humirit kung di rin lang matino, dun ka nalang sa sarili mong thread. :D

[Strange_Dejavu]

All im asking for is a decent response, no BASELESS, UNWANTED opinions about FLP or Golez or whatever.

just give me something SOLID to prove your claims, like i do to prove mine.

Go ahead.

......

wala?

then dont mind us "FLP boiz" here. nananahimik lang kami dito. :D

[tadeus]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
tadeus, wala ka pa din sinasabi na matino eh. hilig mo humirit, di naman ikaw kausap. yan ba tinuro sayo sa "lasalle"?

baka hindi mo maintindihan, humihingi lang naman ako ng KAHIT ISANG matinong comment, fact, or even a question that can dispute ANYTHING i said in this whole thread. wala ka pa din masabi kundi "FLP boiz" at kung anu ano pa? hirap hiritan pag totoo eh noh?

Kung si Jun Kintanar mayaman na, eh di hamak na mas mayaman si Golez? Syempre, eh JEEPNEY DRIVER lang si Jun K SIX YEARS AGO. he is only 30 years old. Compared to Roilo Golez, who has been one of the top business consultants in the country for how many years, who studied in the US Naval Academy sa America, labo mo naman tadeus eh. another FLP distributor, Edmund Ramos, makes 3x as much as Jun K., simply because he has networks in 15 countries. si Jun K., sa pinas lang. Roilo Golez is not an active networker, founding managing director lang.

FLP Philippines makes almost 2 BILLION in SALES, sa tingin mo hindi pa mayaman si Golez dun? Ikaw kaya, magatayo ng NEGOSYO, na after 10 years kikita ng 2 BILLION annually, hindi ka pa ba yayaman? ikaw kaya managing director ng isang company na kasama sa TOP 400 CORPORATIONS sa PINAS, di ka mayaman? Kumuha ka nalang ng calculator, i-compute mo. Do you even know Roilo Golez personally? i dont think so. Sino ka para mag judge ng tao na HINDI MO MAN LANG NAKAUSAP KAHIT ISANG BESES?

Top German FLP distributors make as much as 100T euro monthly, peanuts lang ang kinikita nila Jun K. dito sa pilipinas. Wala kayong kaalam alam talaga, hirit kayo ng hirit...

Magakano na ba talaga kinikita namin dito? ako personally, kung gusto mo talaga malaman, yung SWELDO mo, malamang TAX ko lang. :D

Good luck sayo pare, sana umasenso ka sa panlalait ng ibang tao.

wag ka nalang humirit kung di rin lang matino, dun ka nalang sa sarili mong thread. :D


Owwwsss?!?!

Talaga?!?!

Totoo ba yan?!?!

2 Billion Sales?!?!?
Lokohan na ito.

[tadeus]

ATTN Mga FLP BOIZ!

Nilalait na naman kayo dito.



http://www.pinoyforums.com/org/tsikot/viewtopic.php?t=1728&highlight=



hehehe.

Kahit saan talaga.....wala lang.

[SoLvent Boy]

la na kaming pakialam sa kanila, inggit lang yang mga yan kasi di nila kaya bumili ng Ferrari. Mga noypi talaga kahit kelan umiiral ang Crab Mentality.Kaht ilang beses pa nilang lait laitin kami , sa amin pa rin ang huling halakhak. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Kung inaakala mo ng lokohan ang sales ng FLP, mabuti pa iverify mo sa BIR dahil nagbabayad po ng tax ang FLP.Pati sa SEC kung may duda ka pa rin. At kung di maalis yang duda mo bahala ka sa buhay mo.

Piso para sa negative.

[Zeratul]

Oo nga, personal akong manira.

You ever heard of freedom of speech? Well if there are all those perverts who are selling porn and smut out there, why don't you go after them? All you do is cleanse yourself with your aloe vera and absolve your god Roilo Golez from all his sins and cheer in your AGO-GO-RAH-RAH-RAH FLP rallies.

Here are some facts they teach you in "respected business seminars of Intra-intriga, Redie, NoWay Corporation, and Temporary Living:

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE = YOU SELL SOAP AND TOOTHPASTE FOREVER

BOSS EMPLOYMENT = REAL ENSLAVEMENT = ABSOLUTE EVIL

KAPAL NG MUKHA + DISKARTE = DOWNLINE$$$

DOWNLINE$$$ = MLM MEGABUCKS

LOTSA GREED = VERY GOOD

FLP = SINISTER CULT

KAHIT ANO GAWIN NIYO HINDI NIYO AKO MAPAPAHIRAN NG ALOE VERA!!!

MALIGAYANG PASKO.

[Strange_Dejavu]

As usual, wala nanaman matinong nasabi... :rolleyes:

Tadeus, Profit Sharing ng FLP Philippines for 2001 was about P54 MILLION. About 50 distributors qualified, the lowest one getting around P150,000 and the top distributor getting P13.4 MILLION.
(#2 distributor got P11 MILLION). Sa ARANETA COLISEUM ginanap, with the OWNER, Mr. REX MAUGHAN, one of the richest people in the world, personally giving the checks. Profit sharing is 3% of gross annual sales. May calculator ka? sales last year was close to P1.8 BILLION, LOCALLY. (last year it was also over P1 BILLION).... Worldwide? Almost $1.5 BILLION. Yun lang. HARD FACTS. puro ka OWWS eh. hindi lokohan yan, matitino lahat ng post ko.

Here are some facts they teach you in "respected business seminars of Intra-intriga, Redie, NoWay Corporation, and Temporary Living:

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE = YOU SELL SOAP AND TOOTHPASTE FOREVER

BOSS EMPLOYMENT = REAL ENSLAVEMENT = ABSOLUTE EVIL

KAPAL NG MUKHA + DISKARTE = DOWNLINE$$$

DOWNLINE$$$ = MLM MEGABUCKS

LOTSA GREED = VERY GOOD

FLP = SINISTER CULT :

Ok those are your personal opinions. Facts ba yun? Why do you wana do the thinking for other people?

Sell soap and toothpaste forever? True, you sell a lot in this business (show me a business where you dont have to sell anything, either a product or service, and ill show you a SCAM.)
but the thing is, the purpose of doing this is because you dont wana work forever! Im sure, with your EXTENSIVE financial knowledge, that you know what RESIDUAL income is. Success in business is in REPEAT SALES. meaning, you are paid MULTIPLE TIMES for an INITIAL EFFORT.

Baduy pala mag benta ng toothpaste at sabon noh? EH P5 MILLION WORTH naman EVERY MONTH, where you get a commission of around P200-250T. baduy pa ba? colgate-palmolive ba maliit na company? PERSPECTIVE! how do you look at it, that's what matters.

Ok lang mag trabaho sa employment, pero PLEASE, dont grow OLD waering a uniform. a relative of mine worked for over 25 years in a respected company, and he got a PLAQUE and LOYALTY AWARD. oh, and a cash bonus of 10T pesos. his retirement pay will be about 2 million, where he will probably use it to start a business, which will probably not make it past 3 years. ALAM NATIN LAHAT na walang yumayaman jan, lalo na ngayon. By "yumaman" i mean being able to send your kids to good schools and not be concerned about daily survival, to LIVE your DREAMS and not DREAM your LIFE.

may kumikita ng 1 MILLION a month, pero hindi mayaman kasi 1.1 MILLION ang utang nya. meron naman kumikita ng 100T a month, tinatabi yung 60%, gastos yung natira. yun ang yumayaman.

KAPAL ng MUKHA at DISKATRE will beat high grades and a good looking resume ANYTIME. sa lahat ng bagay, yan ang kailangan kung gusto mo maging successful. tanong ko sayo, sa business mo, kung wala ka diskarte at kapal ng mukha, aasenso ka?

lotsa greed is NOT very good. can you please tell me WHICH seminar or training you have attended in FLP that says that? have you EVEN seen one?

FLP=SINISTER CULT? hahaha... maybe that's what you think. But does you opinion really matter? CATHOLIC CHURCH=SINISTER CULT. BORN AGAIN=SINISTER CULT. 5-6=SINISTER CULT. THE GOVERNMENT=SINISTER CULT. madami pang sinister cult floating around jan hahahah!

[Zeratul]

Tadeus, nagmamalinis naman yung ating FLP brother.

Sinasabi niyang walang kasalanan si Roilo Golez, na siya ay kahanga-hangang TRAPO. Well, if the DUMBEST ATENEAN ALUMNI got to the FRIGGIN PRESIDENCY with children everywhere, with LOTSA TRAPOS (like R.G.), HAKUTINGS, GUNS, DRUGLORDS, COMFORT WOMEN, and BOOZE to support his campaign, shouldn't it at least seem NORMAL for a measly cabinet member to attain his status now the same way? Ipaliwanag mo nga iyon? This is the RP, and anything goes!

Panay marketing propaganda yung kinakalat ng mga FLP para mabenta at maloko yung ibang mga tao na superior ang kanilang business, na ito ay ang "wave of the future" at sinasabi niyang inferior ang other businesses and professions tulad natin. At least we don't persuade others to buy cassette tapes and other RUBBISH for "success". Dada siya ng dada ng REDUNDANT marketing plan when their business is attacked.

Medyo personal ako manira? Of course dahil niloko yung kapatid ko ng isang "ETHICAL FLP DISTRIBUTOR". That's why you may say I have an AXE to grind. Marami rin akong kaibigan na niloko ng mga distributor niyo - don't you police you own distributors? StrangeDeja_Vu, paano kung gusto kong I-REVOKE YUNG LICENSE ng isang ****** FLP DISTRIBUTOR? Or would you like me to continue my verbal boycott against your "ethical and ligitimate company"?

Oh, and I have more interesting stories about the ethics of FLP distributors my friends met. Mind you, you can regurgitate all that marketing crap, but you cannot alter my conviction.

FLP IS SATURATED. JOIN IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO CASSETTE TAPES THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

:D :D

[SoLvent Boy]

I pity your duo mr. zeratul and tadeus, its seems that you've revealed your true colors,thus proving that you're the biggest loser in the business world. :vomit: :rotfl: :rotfl: :bleh: :bleh:

Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :rotflmao:

Strange dejavu : ipagdasal na lang natin sila total pagdating ng globalization kakainin ng mga higante lahat ng mga negative sa mundo, at tayong mga taga FLP at mga Corporate investors ang may karapatan sa Huling Halakhak.

Grabe takot talaga s aloe vera halatang puro libag at amoybaktol ang katawan nung isa, halatang puro dumi laman ng utak at katawan nya,Sana dinggin ang dasal ko na makidnap sya at madala sa office ng FLP para mabuwang. Nyahehehehe!

Sige crossline sibat na ako at maraming tao ang nangangailangan ng tulong ko,mga taong gusto gumanda ang buhay at makatulong sa kapwa nila.Kita kita na lang tayo within 6-7 months malamang manager na ako nun.Baka makasabay pa kita sa palitan ng checque sa bangko.

[Zeratul]

Kaawa-awang SoLventBoy. Naniniwala siya na ang ilusyon na ang MLM ay sasakop sa lahat ng uri ng distribution in the age if IT and globalization.

Hindi niya alam na ang MLM IS A BUSINESS BUILT TO THE LIE. Nangangamoy putok na ang kanyang aloe verang pinapahid sa kanyang kilikili at bibig. Nasobrahan yata ng kasisinghot ng rugby kaya naniwala na piso-pisong pangako ng MLM.

StranGeDejaVu and SoLventBoy are the FILTHIEST LOW-RANKING A$$HOLES IN THE MLM world. For those who wish to be their downline, BE PREPARED TO GET SWINDILED AND DUPED INTO SELLING OVERPRICED TOOTHPASTE AND SOAP!!!

At ikaw anman SoLventBoy, hirit ka ng hirit ng "sindak ng globalization", eh kung ikaw nga yung pinabili ko ng business ko sa kita mo sa aloe vera na yan?

Some things are much better done the traditional way.

I DO NOT NEED TO WORK FOR A LIVING.

I CAN LIVE WITHOUT WORKING.

F.L.P. MLMers are LOW RANKING $HITTY-A$$HOLES!!! THEY ARE THE BEST CON-MEN WHO WILL DESTROY YOUR LIVES!!!

I PITY ALL PATHETIC STINKING F.L.P. DISTRIBUTORS WHO HAVE TO SELL ILLUSIONS OF SUCCESS TO GULLIBLE WOULD-BE TAKERS.

MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. :cool: :cool: :p :p

[Strange_Dejavu]

StranGeDejaVu and SoLventBoy are the FILTHIEST LOW-RANKING A$$HOLES IN THE MLM world

F.L.P. MLMers are LOW RANKING $HITTY-A$$HOLES!!! THEY ARE THE BEST CON-MEN WHO WILL DESTROY YOUR LIVES!!!

Uhhh... ok. damn, if we are low ranking filthy a$$holes, ano ka? :)

FLP MLMers are low ranking blah blah blah... thats all you can say in all your financial genius and glory? just goes to show who is the low-life here.

You dont have to work for a living?

sorry, MOST people are not like you, mere mortals have to work hard to earn money. oh, I also dont HAVE to work to earn a living, im pretty sure me and , oh, about three more generations in my family are pretty well-off even if they dont work... just like some business partners of mine in FLP, maybe youve heard of the name Escudero? as in VILLA ESCUDERO... or Borromeo? im pretty sure they are a LOT wealthier than you are hahaha! no, 100% SURE! HAHAHA!

the greatest thing about these people, and the reason why they are SO rich, and this trait is shared by ALL successful people, is that THEY DONT BRAG THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO WORK, and they WORK HARDER AND HARDER, EVEN IF THEY DONT HAVE TO!

You are so pathetic in bragging that you dont have to work blah blah blah... i can see RIGHT THROUGH your facade.

Yeah sure, dont worry, WE BELIEVE YOU! WE BELIEVE HIM DONT WE GUYS? cmon support him, i think he needs some reassurance from us, especially TADEUS, his ONLY FRIEND.

Dont worry, whatever your REAL situation is, people will still accept you... there is nothing to be ashamed of if you are poor, no sense pretending and living an IMAGINARY world in the internet. good luck zeratul! :)

peace and a happy new year to all!

[SoliduS_AlphA]

FLP profit sharing rally 2002
Mega Sizzle on Jan.25 w/ JUN K!

Attention crosslines, lets have an EB sa office sa Sizzle ni Jun K, BTw I'm one of the downlines of Upline Senior Manager Bernard Capellan, the former UP Dilliman,Magna Cum Laude, top 20 board passers, Civil Engr by Profession and a former AYALA Employee.

Maganda kasi na magkakakilala tayo para pag may first timer tayo pwede natin i 1on 1 OPP.Kasi turo yun na pag may first timer ka dapat upline mo or crossline mo ang mag explain ng marketing plan, just incase. ;)

have a nice day!

may debate na pala dito, wag nyo pansinin yan, just work on your network and help them grow.

[shrimpo]

what can u all say about forever living?
naniniwala ba kayo na yayaman kayo in a
short time kapag nag-join kayo dito?

[doctor_doom]

Galing sa thread ni Tennis Ace:


Consumers need to be on the lookout for fraudulent products. These are products that don't do what they say they can or don't contain what they say they contain. At the very least, they waste consumers' money, and they may cause physical harm.

Fraudulent products often can be identified by the types of claims made in their labeling, advertising and promotional literature. Some possible indicators of fraud, says Stephen Barrett, M.D., a board member of the National Council Against Health Fraud, are:

---Claims that the product is a secret cure and use of such terms as "breakthrough," "magical," "miracle cure," and "new discovery." If the product were a cure for a serious disease, it would be widely reported in the media and used by health-care professionals, he says.
---"Pseudomedical" jargon, such as "detoxify," "purify" and "energize" to describe a product's effects. These claims are vague and hard to measure, Barrett says. So, they make it easier for success to be claimed "even though nothing has actually been accomplished," he says.
---Claims that the product can cure a wide range of unrelated diseases. No product can do that, he says.
---Claims that a product is backed by scientific studies, but with no list of references or references that are inadequate. For instance, if a list of references is provided, the citations cannot be traced, or if they are traceable, the studies are out-of-date, irrelevant, or poorly designed.
---Claims that the supplement has only benefits--and no side effects. A product "potent enough to help people will be potent enough to cause side effects," Barrett says.

Accusations that the medical profession, drug companies and the government are suppressing information about a particular treatment. It would be illogical, Barrett says, for large numbers of people to withhold information about potential medical therapies when they or their families and friends might one day benefit from them.

[doctor_doom]

Common sense lang naman ang kailangan para maintindihan ang kababalaghang kinakalat ng mga so-called remedies na ito. Tulad ng sinabi ng aking gurong si Tennis Ace, more than 90% ng MLM distributors who are at the bottom is feeding the pockets of the less than 10% who are sitting at the top of the MLM pyramid structure. Kaya nga, agree ako sa kanya na kailangan ng MLM companies ng disclosures sa mga miyembro. This is a loophole na hindi ma-close ng ating mga lawmakers. Sa US, required itong mga disclosures na ito para makita ng prospect kung ang kini-claim ng mga MLM promoters ay tunay nga. Dito sa atin, hindi pa rin required ang disclosures na ito kaya madali para sa mga MLM promoters ang gumawa ng mga unsubstantiated claims. Papaano naman kasi, mga key lawmakers din ang involved sa mga racket na ito. Alangan namang gagawa sila ng batas na makakabawas sa kinikita nila.

Simple lang naman ang disclosures na ito. It only involves disclosing the actual income of members at every income level. By doing this, maliwanag na makikita ng prospect kung ilan ang active members sa bawat income level at kung ano ang income nila sa bawat level na iyon. Without a doubt, kung available sa mga prospects ang disclosure na ito, makikita nila ang maliwanag na pyramidal structure ng network. Sa madaling sabi, fewer than 10% of the entire network members will be positioned at the top and more than 90% of the members will be positioned at the bottom. Sa MLM, alam na natin na ang income stream always flows upwards. That means the top 10% or less minority derives their income from the bottom 90% majority.

Isa pang disclosure ang dropout rate. Kung mataas ang dropout rate (80%++ sa FLP according to one of FLPs own members), ibig sabihin hindi tumatagal ang mga recruits. Maliwanag na mataas ang dropout rate ng isang MLM kung panay ang recruit ng mga ito.

Kung available ang mga disclosures na ito, mas mapapag-aralan ko ang kabuluhan ng opportunity na ito. Kung halimbawang papasok ako dito, alam ko na there is an 80% chance na mag-dropout ako for whatever reason. Okey sabihin na nating masipag ako at nangako akong hindi ako mag-dropout, ano ang aking expected na kikitain? Kung may income disclosures, at least I will know what income to expect. Okey sabihin na nating matiyaga ako. Kahit na maliwanag na ang yumayaman sa MLM ay ang mga nakaupo sa taas, itutuloy ko pa rin. Pero maliwanag din na hindi ako yayaman sa simpleng pag-gamit ng produkto. Kung gusto kong kumita, kailangang kong mag-recruit, di ba? Sino ang magiging prospect ko? Ang daming MLM diyan. Lahat ng mga kaibigan ko, narinig na nila ang tungkol sa MLM at umayaw. Lahat ng kamag-anak ko, sinabihan na akong huwag mabanggit-banggit yang tungkol sa recruitment na yan. Total strangers? Malamang narining na nila ang tungkol sa MLM at umayaw na rin sila. How do I know this? Very simple. Kung ang dropout rate ay mataas pa sa 80%, that means marami ang na-involve at umayaw, right? Hindi pa natin na-include yung mga prospects na nahakot sa mga meeting at umayaw din. The bottomline is, the all percentages are against the prospect. Unfortunately, hindi alam ng prospect yan kasi hindi naman sila binibigyan ng disclosures. They only realize it when they are actually a member already. When they realize na makunat ang kayamanang dinidispley sa mga meeting, nagda-dropout sila. Kaya nga mataas ang dropout rate, eh. Madaling makaakit ang kayamanan kaya ito ang ginagamit ng mga recruiters sa presentation. Huwag nyong sabihing hindi totoo yan. Recruiters spend more time talking about the riches you can achieve sa opportunity, di ba?

Isa ako sa mga dropouts at nagpapasalamat ako kay Tennis Ace at namulat ako sa katotohanan ng MLM. Ngayon, with his help (business partner ko na sya), may negosyo akong tunay na pinagkakakitaan and I don’t have to deceive, misinform, disinform and withhold information from people para kumita. I now own a double condo unit sa Makati which is my home/office. Second hand lamang ang kotse ko at Seiko lamang ang relo ko. Hindi ko kailangan ng isang Ferrari para idispley sa mga disipulo ko. Wala akong mamahaling designer na gamit at hindi rin ako bumimili ng mga designer fakes. Hindi ako magarbo na katulad ng ibang mga thinking rich dyan. Nasa diversified investments ang pera ko and siguro by this time next year, puwede na akong mag-retire kung gusto ko kahit na 28 and single ako. Yung ibang ka-batch ko sa iba’t-ibang MLM na pinasukan ko, ayun, ganoon pa rin. Mayaman ang dating sa mga prospect, butas pala ang bulsa. Isa pang resulta ng pagiging member ng MLM ang hypocrisy.

Kung kumikita nga kayo sa FLP, more power to you. Hinihiling ko lang na huwag na sanang isama ang mga materialistic na bagay sa mga presentations at bigyan ninyo ang mga prospects ng lahat ng impormasyon at disclosures para naman makagawa sila ng desisyong tama para sa kanila (at hindi para sa recruiter).

Hindi lamang MLM o tunay na negosyo ang source ng wealth. One must look at the total diversified financial picture. Making money is easy. Keeping it and generating income from what you keep is the key to long-term wealth. Isa pang bagay na hindi alam ng karamihan sa MLM.

[doctor_doom]

Siyanga pala, totoong malaki ang 54 million na profit sharing. Ngunit ang mga nakaupo sa taas ng pyramid lamang ang nakinabang. Sa dinami-dami ng members ng FLP (100,000+ ba kamo?), 50 lamang ang nakatikim nito. Sa tunay na profit sharing, lahat nakikinabang, hindi lamang ang kaunting nakaupo sa taas na kumukita na ng marami.

Mga kaibigan kong miyembro, ilan sa 54 million ang napunta sa inyo? At ilan sa 54 million ang napunta sa mga recruits ninyo? Ito ang mahirap sa MLM. Very selective ang mga numbers na ibinubunyag. Obvious na ginagamit ang numerong ito para pampagana sa mga prospects, di ba? Ang problema, how do you justify the non-profit shares of the other 99,950 members? HIndi nyo masabi na those top 50 deserved it kasi masipag at matiyaga sila. Karamihan ng mga existing members ay masipag at matiyaga rin. Isa lamang ang sagot diyan: there is something inherently wrong and unfair with the system. The system does not reward good honest hard work. It rewards those who recruits the most and those have the most recruits under them. Maliwanag yan, dahil it is a fact na one cannot get rich in the system by purchasing the products for self-use at a discount. To make real money, you have to recruit people and exploit the efforts of others. That's a fact. Yan ang sinasabi sa mga training session, di ba? Habang ang mga 90 percenters ay nagtatrabaho, ang mga 10 percenters ay pa-petik-petik lamang sa golf course. That's also a fact. "Leveraging your time" ang tawag nyo diyan, di ba?

[Spyfrat]

cge pa ba ang mlm na to? any news kay frank? sad story.

[monpabi]

mukhang malaki ang problema ni doctor_doom ah

[doctor_doom]

On the contrary, kaibigang monpabi. Mahusay ang takbo ng lahat para sa akin. May kaunting negosyo na umiiral dahil sa honesty and integrity. Hindi ko na kailangang mang-recruit at mangumbinsi. Hindi ko na kailangang isilaw sa kayamanan ang mga prospects para maenganyong sumali. No omission of information, no deception, no misinformation, no disinformation. Walang upline na nakikinabang at yumayaman sa sariling sikap ko kundi ako. Sumasama ang loob ko kapag may nakikita akong nalulong sa MLM tapos nauwi rin sa wala at ang uplines lamang ang nakinabang. And believe me, hindi kakaunti ang mga taong dumaan sa sad experience na ito.

Ang sinasabi ko lang, mag-MLM kayo kung gusto nyo. Pero ibigay naman sana ng mga MLM recruiters ang lahat ng katotohanan at iwasan ang pag-display ng materyalismo. Sa mga prospects naman, huwag kayong magpadala sa materyalismo at huwag kayong makumbinsi ng mga rags-to-riches stories. Ano ngayon kung si Mr. Congressman o si Mr. Milyonaryo ay sumali? These has no bearing on your own financial situation. Pag-isipan nyong mabuti at alamin ang lahat bago ninyo i-commit ang inyong oras at tiyaga.

May isang taong nagsabi, “Beware of opportunities that come with a pretty gift wrap for they might be hiding something ugly. A genuine opportunity’s intrinsic value will reveal itself without the need for ostentatious packaging.” Good luck sa inyo.

[kennster]

Gud day uplines and crosslines.. onga pala i salute u Strange_Dejavu, mdupet and the other FLP'ers standing out for the business despite the "dream stealers" here in this thread.. well, wala na naman ako dapat sabihin pa coz nasabi na lahat nina Strange_Dejavu and co. all i can say is, if ur doing FLP now, just continue doing it, wag ka magpaapekto sa mga negative, yes madaming naging di successful sa FLP BUT madami ding super successful, so why would u associate urself to FAILURES, cympre if u wanna succeed in life, stick with the SUCCESSFUL people. Also why would u listen to the negative people, sila ba magpapakain sayo? sila ba magpapaaral sa anak mo? u know what, we're all responsible for our own lives, so just keep on doin' what u think will give u and ur family a good life! :) btw, bka sabihin nyo successful nako kaya ganito ako magsalita, me and my wife are just starting out here in FLP. we're under upline Rachelle Chua. we're excited coz we know that in this busines, yes we will be financially free, but what excites me more is that i know in the future, i'll have time freedom, and that to me is more important. yes there's a very slight chance that ull be successful being an employee, but the question is, will u have time for ur kids? Sa mga negative, maybe u dont see in FLP what we see, but please dont drag other people who see FLP as the answer to their prayers for a good life.. Let's just keep this a healthy discussion.. To my co FLP'ers here, let's just continue the hardwork and don't quit. SEE U ALL ON TOP! :)

OT: to Strange_Dejavu and other FLP'ers here.. did u guys attend Roilo Golez' Power Pack seminar last friday? 'twas great! :) Do u guys regulary go to greenhills? maybe i know a lot of u by face.. :) Just PM me if u wanna get in touch.. :)

[dragueur]

hello to fellow FLP ppl here....3-4 years na rin ako inactive :D still AS here...well, now m starting to do "tingi-tingi" coz the products are really good and i don't even know the reason why i stop using them b4...anyway, m using them again, i started just this Feb. ...i don't recruit ppl but i share them the products coz they r really effective...yung upline ko nga nag stop na e, but she still uses the products....grabe, wala na nga ako kakilala doon e since wala na rin yung upline ng upline ko, nasa US na yung isa, wala na akong balita....so nag aatend ako ng seminar pakonte konte kc wala naman akong matanungan. d nga ito easy money kelangan dito e masipag.

[monpabi]

malaki nga ang problema ni doctor_doom

[Zeratul]

Naku, si Roilo Golez ----> yan ay anfg PINAKA-SUPLADONG TRAPO na nakita ko! Biro mo, mahigit beinte (20) ang mga bodyguards ng gunggong na yun sa supermarket lang ang punta! Saan kaya niya nakukuha yung pera niya? Taxpayers? FLP downlines? Hakuting? Kaya nga natuyo ang SSS at GSIS eh, napuno ng aloe vera ng FLP at sapatos ng First Quadrant! Malamang ngayon palakas ang benta ng FLP kasi kelangan niya ng PERA pang-KAMPANYA kay GMA sa May 2004!

FLP = SCAMWAY!!!!
FLP = POWER OF FALSE HOPES!!!!
FLP = HAKOT RECRUIT!!!!
FLP = PAGBABALADJAY!!!!

AGO-GO-RAH-RAH!!!! :D :D :p :p

BTW, ano nang nangyari kay Marcelo "BALADJAY" Larungayan???? Nagpanggap na recruiter ng Ayala Land, FLP lang pala! *****!Kapal ng mukha ng unggoy na yun, di man nag-apologize sa ginawa niyang panloloko sa Atenista! Duh! Dapat lang mag-public apology yung ****** yun!

[doctor_doom]

woe is the man with perfect sight and yet so blind to see...

[doctor_doom]

Originally posted by kennster
... so why would u associate urself to FAILURES, cympre if u wanna succeed in life, stick with the SUCCESSFUL people.


I definitely agree... Kaya iniwanan ko ang 90+% failures na nalulong sa MLM, and I associated myself with a successful person na siyang nagmulat sa akin sa mga katotohanan at kababalaghan ng MLM.

Malaki nga ang problema ko... Hindi ako maka-decide kung saan ako magbabakasyon this summer. Palagay ko, manonood na lang ako ng Olympics sa Athens.

Sa mga kaibigan kong member ng FLP, good luck sa inyo, ha? Sana nga, maging financially independent din kayo na katulad ng limampung nakatanggap ng bonus. 50 profit-sharing members out of 100,000+ is not bad. At least you have a 0.0005% chance of making it to that level. Next year, i-petition nyo ang FLP na isali naman kayong lahat sa profit-sharing para mahagingan naman kayo ng bonus. Besides, ang laki-laki ng kinikita ng FLP at saka sa sikap at tiyaga nyo rin naman nanggaling ang kinita nila, di ba? You deserve a piece of the profit sharing.

[cw_salbakulaw]

youre just a bunch of leeching muder fhuckers! go to hell

[OliverWood21]

It doesnt matter what you achieve.....

But how you achieve it. ;)

So, its perfectly Okay if I don't become rich as long as I am proud enough to know that I never cheated anyone just to reach the top.. ;)

[razzp]

Di na ako nagne-network. Di ko talaga feel. Ayoko ng recruitments. Basta!

Concentrate na lang ako sa products kasi maganda naman talaga. Pag nakita ng mga tao result sakin di bibili sila. Di na kailangan pilitin. ;)

Zeratul: Bahala ka. Belief mo yan, pwede ako mag-agree. Depende sa mood ko. :D

[Spyfrat]

doctor_doom, ano yung biz mo, baka pwede makisali sa nyo ni tennis. btw may kilala ako need 1 million tons of scrap metals, baka may supplier kayong alam, pm me, baka maka deal tayo :)
also kung may buyer kayo ng raw rubber, may supplier ako in volume.
dried seaweeds rin, buyer kami, baka may kilala kayong suppliers in big volume.
baka gusto nyo rin mag stock market at forex hehe. dami raket ah :glee:

[doctor_doom]

Kaibigang Spyfrat, kilala mo pala si Tennis Ace? General merchandise lang *** deal namin. Medyo wala sa linya ko *** scrap metals at rubber, eh. Pero I tell you what, bakit hindi kayo mag-usap ni Tennis? Alam ko, maraming raket yun at mas malawak ata ang kanyang mga contacts lalo na sa States. Laging naghahanap yun ng mga puwedeng i-negosyo. PM ko sa yo *** email nya. Check mo lang.

[brigitts]

if you're not into FLP, sana u guys would just stay in your own thread. if you think FLP is a waste of time, then don't waste your time here in our thread. to all FLP people, POWER lang guys! a lot of people have a lot of negative opinions about things they do not fully understand or comprehend. everyone's entitled to their own opinions but that doesn't mean you have to listen to them. believe in yourself, believe in your dreams. pray, work hard, have faith and everything will fall into place.

[kennster]

doctor_doom OT na ho yata kayo.. please make ur own thread.. to my crosslines and uplines.. GOOD MORNING!!! :)

[tadeus]

Originally posted by brigitts
if you're not into FLP, sana u guys would just stay in your own thread. if you think FLP is a waste of time, then don't waste your time here in our thread. to all FLP people, POWER lang guys! a lot of people have a lot of negative opinions about things they do not fully understand or comprehend. everyone's entitled to their own opinions but that doesn't mean you have to listen to them. believe in yourself, believe in your dreams. pray, work hard, have faith and everything will fall into place.

:sleep: :sleepdrool: :snore: :doze:

[doctor_doom]

Hello! Basahin nyo nga ang unang post ng author.

The author of this thread is asking forumers for an opinion about the program of FLP. Kung opinion ang hinihingi ng author, malamang may mga for and against.

Sa madaling sabi, hindi ito ang thread na kung saan nakikipaghimasan ang mga FLP members sa isa’t isa. Bakit di kayo gumawa ng “The Wonders of FLP” thread? Doon ninyo pwedeng i-justify and i-validate ang desisyon ninyong maging members sa kapwa members, doon walang magsasabi sa inyo na may kamalian ang naging desisyon ninyo at doon walang magtatanong tungkol sa mga importanteng disclosures na ni minsan hindi pinapakita sa inyo.

Huwag makining sa mga negative na tao dahil hindi sila nakakaintindi. Yan ang dinuduro nila sa isip nyo, di ba? Bakit kamo? Ayaw nilang makining kayo sa mga opinyong hindi nababagay sa programang nilalaan nila. Sabi nga, to make an informed decision, you have to see both sides of the issue. Side lang nila ang gusto nilang makita ninyo, samantalang they are actively supressing all other information ukol sa programa nila na tulad ng disclosures. Tapos katakut-takot na materialistic display ang pinapakita sa inyo para maenganyo kayo. How can you make an informed decision if you don't have all the pertinent information? Hindi ba kayo nagtataka kung bakit hanggang ngayon walang naisasagot ang mga FLP upperclassmen tungkol sa mga isyung tinalakay ko rito?

Sa pagiging off-topic, napansin nyo siguro na sinagot ko lang ang post ni kaibigang Spyfrat at dinala ko ang usapan namin sa PM at e-mail.

Hope ko lang, my FLP friends, you get your profit-sharing bonus, at hindi lamang ang mga limampu ang makatikim nito. I'm on your side people. Para sa akin, hindi fair ang 50 out of 100,000 ang makikinabang sa malaking kinikita ng FLP. I really hope na yumaman nga kayo tulad ng mga taong naka-picture sa mga brochures na kinakalat nila.

[kennster]

but the point is, OFF TOPIC ka.. gets?? dang crabs, wanna pull down people with them. tsk tsk tsk

[kennster]

well, about the profit sharing, pwede naman lahat dun eh.. kasi may qualifications dun, basta ba magqualify ka eh.. kaso it's obvious na tamad ka.. well in flp, you need to work to earn big.. geeeez!

[doctor_doom]

Gaya ng sinabi ko, there are both sides to an issue. The FLP recruiters show you one side, I'm showing you the other. Hindo komo pinapakita ko sa inyo ang kabila ng kagandahang ipinakita sa inyo ng FLP, eh, crab ako. You have been trained well by FLP, kaibigan. Sana naman, hindi ninyo tuluyang lunukin ang bawat ano mang isusubo sa inyo ng mga uplines ninyo. Tandaan ninyo, there are both sides to an issue. Pag-aralan ninyo ang dalawa, at huwag magpadala sa propaganda at materyalismo.

At least, sariling sikap ko ang pinagkakakitaan ko. Hindi ko kailangang mambola para maka-recruit at kumita. Tama ka, kaibigan. Tamad ako. Kaya nga semi-retirement ang iniisip ko these days.

I hope you earn big, kaibigan, para makapag-retire ka rin ng maaga. Kailangan ko ng foursome sa Wack Wack.

[tadeus]

Okei na sana yung ibang reasons/proofs mo doctor_doom kaya nung tumagal medyo naging mahangin. A typical MLMer remark I say.

[doctor_doom]

Kaibigang Tadeus, tama ka. Palagay ko, matindi ang pagka-brainwash sa akin ng mga promotor nung nasa MLM pa ako. Di ko mapigilan minsan na ibalik ang hangin na nanggaling sa mga disipulo ng MLM. Pasensiya ka na.

Anyway, nasabi ko na ang mga kabantutang tinatago ng FLP at ng iba pang MLM. Tatahimik na lang ako at hihintayin ko na lang ang rebuttal ng mga MLM head honchos sa mga isyung tinalakay ko rito. Pero makikipagpustahan akong wala kang ibang maririnig sa mga taong ito kundi ang kagandahan ng kanilang programa. They will not dare expose the real numbers behind the claims and the facts behind their methods, ika nga, dahil maliwanag na makikita ng mga madlang pipol ang kabuktutan ng kanilang sistema na kung saan nakikinabang ang konti sa tiyaga ng marami.

[brigitts]

doctor_doom: "...nakikinabang ang konti sa tiyaga ng marami."

so bali lahat pala ng negosyante sa mundo may baho kasi yung mga may ari ng negosyo malaki kinikita kahit na ang talagang nagtatrabaho ay yung mga empleyado nila? so si Ray Kroc, yung may ari ng mcdo, may baho kasi dami niyang network franchise ng mcdo sa mundo tapos itong mga ito naman ang nagtatrabaho para kumita siya ng malaki? so masama na yung mga may ari ng fastfood chains, mga stores na fina-franchise, etc. kasi iilan lang o yung mga may ari lang ang nakikinabang sa mga pagtatrabaho ng mga tao o empleyado? multilevel marketing is similar to franchising. may law of leverage, wherein pinaparami mo sarili mo para kumita ka ng malaki. so masama yon?

[kennster]

alam mo dr.doom, di naman kasi easy money ang flp eh, and stop giving the "brainwash" thingy.. nagkataon lang na open-minded kami and we understood the business well, yes tama ka, may mga part na mahirap sa flp, pero i don't look at it as a negative thing but rather a challenge.. if u wanna be successful in life, dadaan at dadaan ka sa hardships. and also dont tell me na we "use" other people in flp.. coz if u have half the brain i have.. u'll at least understand that MLM is almost exactly like franchising, so are you saying franchising is bad? think my friend.. some people associate MLM with pyramiding eh.. try to read some MLM books first, so u'll know what's legit and not.. for starters, i suggest u read robert kiyosaki's books.. so the next time u post, it will be worth reading ok.. :)

to the FLP peeps here.. just work hard. don't let them "dream stealers" affect you.. we're responsible for our own destiny.. :)

[doctor_doom]

“MLM is almost exactly like franchising”? bwahahaha
Ito ba ang sinasabi ng mga promotor sa inyo? Wow naman, talk about twisting the facts! Okey, bakit di natin ikumpara?

A franchise is backed by a marketing plan that is in accordance with normal market dynamics, such as the law of supply and demand, market penetration, and saturation. This is to ensure that profitability is in the franchisee’s favor. On the other hand, an MLM is backed by a marketing plan that ignores these crucial rules. Sasabihin nila na this is a revolutionary way of doing business. Para sa promotor, siguro. Pero para sa mga distributor, it’s simply a plan for recruitment in order to generate income. To make real money in MLM, you have to recruit people, because selling retail does not cut it. That’s an MLM fact.

A franchise researches and analyzes a particular area or territory before it is cleared for assignment to a franchisee. Another step to ensure that profitability is in the franchisee’s favor. Saturating a particular market area with too many franchises is not good for the franchisee kasi ang profits nila diluted din at saka in the long run, hindi rin maganda para sa franchisor. Kaya you will never see two Jollibee’s next to each other. Sa MLM naman, hindi uso ang mga research at analysis na yan. Bahala kayo kung saan kayo. Por ehemplo, ilan ang Jollibee sa Makati? Dadami lamang ang Jollibee sa Makati kung kayang suportahan ng market ang pagdagdag ng mga franchises. Kasama sa research yan. Ngayon, ilan ang MLMers sa Makati? Ano ang mangyayari kung napuno na ng mga iba’t ibang MLMers (hindi lang FLP) ang Makati? Sino at saan pa kayo magre-recruit? Sa franchise may market analysis. Sa MLM, kailan kayong huling binigyan ng isang market analysis na ukol sa inyong territory? (Of course, sasabihin ng mga promotor na walang territory divisions sa MLM, yada,yada,yada)

Sa franchise, kumpleto ang disclosures, lalo na ang mga disclosures related to profitability, income at saka failure rate (which is by the way, very low kasi thoroughly researched ang mga franchise assignments). Maliwanag ang lahat para sa prospective franchisee. Madaling ma-analyze ng franchisee kung ano ang kanyang chances for success at kung ano ang mga dapat niyang gawin kasi nakalantad ang lahat ng numerong may kahulugan. Sa MLM, wala itong mga disclosures na ito. Ang pinapakita nila ay puro assumed numbers, walang actual numbers. Masarap tingnan ang mga milyones na maari mong kitain, pero paano mo makikita ang tunay na takbo sa kasalukuyan ng MLM? Kung walang disclosures, bulag kayo sa katotohanan.

Ang franchise ay hindi pyramid ang structure. Isa lamang ang relasyon dito, franchisor to franchisee, that’s it. Kung pumalpak ang franchisee, maaring ipapasa lamang ng franchisor ang franchise sa isang nararapat na franchisee. Sa MLM, parang kadenang mahaba ang relasyon dito. Ang upline mo ay may upline din na may upline din, etc. Huwag ninyong sabihin na hindi pyramid ang structure nito. Hindi ba mas marami ang nakaupo sa taas kesa sa baba? Saan nanggaling ang kinikita ng mga nasa taas? Sa kumpanya ba? Hindi po. Galing po sa baba. Kung mas maraming tao sa baba, mas marami ang kikitain nila. Do the math. Kaya nga recruitment ang pangunahing agenda ng MLM, although they will never say it outright. Ang kikitain ng isang disipulo ay nakatangi sa sikap at tiyaga ng kanyang downline. Kung mahina gumalaw ang downline, mahina ang kikitain ng upline, and vice versa.

Sa franchise, properly structured ang support system nila. May training, of course, para ipaalam sa inyo ang policies ng kumpanya at ituro ang mga tamang business practices. Pero minsan lang iyan. Sa MLM, walang awat ang mga presentations, training, seminars at iba pang feel-good functions. Ano ang ginagawa sa mga gatherings na ito? Puro parade of MLM stars para ganahan ang mga miyembrong nasa baba. Bakit kamo? Mataas po ang dropout rate ng MLM. Sabi ng isang taga-FLP 80++% daw. Papaano tayo kikita kung 80% ng ni-recruit natin, eh, tumiwalag? Ang sagot, hakot-recruit para mapalitan ang mga tumiwalag, at rah-rah rallies at seminars para hindi ma-discourage and mga disipulong nag-iisip na tumiwalag, at para na rin himasin ang sarili ninyong mga ego. Sa totoo lang, ano ang mensahe sa mga gatherings na ito? Ito ang pagkakataon, opportunity of a lifetime, wag makining sa dream stealers, iwasan ang mga negative, you can do it, think positive, etc. etc. Bakit hindi ninyo pag-usapan ang demographics ng area ninyo, bakit hindi ninyo pag-usapan ang market analysis sa area ninyo at bakit hindi ninyo pag-usapan at i-analyze ang mga bagay na dapat ninyong gawin ayon sa mga market studies na ito para umangat ang negosyo ninyo? Samakatuwid, tunay na diskusyon tungkol sa negosyo. Ooops, I forgot, wala pala kayo noon.

Sa franchising, hindi pinaguusapan ang kayamanang nakamit ng iba at ang kayamanang naghihintay sa inyo. Produkto, sistema ng franchise at negosyo ang pinag-uusapan dito, hindi materyalismo. Sa MLM, materyalismo kaagad ang nakabungad sa mga prospects. Sa mga brochures, sa mga sales talk at sa mga presentations, malawak na pinaguusapan ang Ferrari ni Kurdapyo, ang bonus check ni Manay, ang mansion ni Kolokoy, at kung sinu-sino pang pulitiko at milyonaryong kasangkot dito. Kung tunay nga na maganda ang venture na ito, bakit pa kailangang i-display ang materyalismo?

Huwag ninyong i-compare ang MLM sa franchising, or to any other normal business, for that matter. It is like comparing apples and oranges. Okey, be open-minded daw. Kung open-minded ka, bakit hindi mo talakayin ang flipside ng MLM? Bakit hindi mo isipin ng maigi kung ano ang kulang sa impormasyong binigay sa iyo ng iyong promotor? Kung open-minded ka, you should pursue the facts about your particular MLM operation. Dreams are good, but facts rule. Realities are not built on dreams but rather dreams are built on realities.

Good luck sa inyo.

[Jeffreyw]

MLM is now becoming a trend in business. Even Globe is doing that through their Autoload Advantage.

[doctor_doom]

It is a trend only in places where socio-economic conditions are conducive to it, and where local laws are weak and enforcement is lax.

Gusto nating yumaman at makaahon sa hirap. Ang kaso, hindi business-friendly ang trade laws dito sa atin. Gusto mong magtayo ng regular na negosyo, ang daming papeles at permit na kailangan, tapos kailangan mo pang mag-under the table para gumalaw ang papeles mo. Tatayo ka ng korporasyon, ang daming kesyo-kesyo. Kailangan mo ng minimum na limang tao (tama ba?) at kung anu-ano pang chechebureche. Tapos, mahina ang tax breaks, after going thru all the trouble. Kaya napakaraming kolorum na business sa atin. At marami rin ang tax-evaders at mga tax cheaters, pati na rin ang pag-bribe ng mga opisyales para lamang maipasok at maibenta ang mga kolorum na merchandise. Madaling maenganyo sa MLM dahil hindi mo na kailangang dumaan sa mga hassle na ito katulad ng pagtayo ng isang tunay na negosyo. Madali mong itago ang income (kung meron man) at sa materyalismong ipiniprisinta ng MLM, madaling makumbinsi na ito nga ang paraang para yumaman kaagad.

Yan ang scenario dito sa atin kaya laganap ang MLM. Nakita ng mga korporasyon na easy money ang ganitong sistema para sa kanila. Of course, kung ako ang korporasyon, gagawin ko ang kahit papaano para kumita at mag-survive ang korporasyon sa ganitong ekonomiya. Tutal, mahina o di naman kaya non-existent ang laws hinggil sa business practices ng MLM kaya madali itong pasukin. At isa pa, may mga pulitikong konektado sa MLM kaya malabong gagawa ang kongreso ng mga rules na mahigpit at restrictive. This is a good profit situation para sa mga korporasyong promotor ng MLM pero ang naiipit dito ay ang mga disipulo dahil sa mga isyung tinalakay ko na. Mahirap mag-isip ng long term income and financial stability lalo na kung kailangan natin ng pera ngayon. Instant money ang kailangan natin dahil hanggang ngayon ugali pa rin natin ang pagiging one day millionaire. Ito ang pinapahayag ng MLM kaya it’s so easy to be convinced.

It’s interesting kasi sa US, mahina ang MLM ayon sa kakilala kong negosyante doon. Isa sa top 5 consumer complaints ang MLM sa US Federal Trade Commission. Dahil dito, mahigpit na raw ngayon ang consumer laws ng FTC hinggil sa MLM, at napakaraming disclosures at disclaimers ang nire-require ng FTC sa mga MLM companies na ibunyag sa mga prospective recruits. Hindi kataka-takang mas laganap ang MLM sa labas ng US kasi karamihan ng mga countries na pinapasukan ng MLM, either wala pa silang rules ukol dito o di naman kaya mahina ang rules nila ukol dito. Lalo na dito sa atin na ang consumer protection ay sobrang hina.

Sa akin lang, sana naman magkaroon ng kunsensiya ang mga promotor ng MLM dito sa atin at iwasan ang mga questionable recruitment tactics at maging truthful sa kanilang disclosures para hindi naman maipit ang mga disipulo. Umpisahan natin ang materyalismo. Bakit hindi alisin sa mga presentation yan? Pagusapan ang produkto at hindi ang perang kinita ni Kurdapyong distributor. Ilantad ang actual na average income ng active distributors sa bawat income level at hindi lamang ang projected income, at pati na rin ang actual na bilang ng mga distributors sa bawat income level. Ibunyag ang tunay na dropout rate. Ipaliwanag na ang malaking income ay makakamit lamang sa pagre-recruit at pagpalawak ng downlines. Iwasan ang deceptive information sa mga sales talk. Ibalik ang moralidad sa pagre-recruit at pag-iimbita ng mga prospect sa mga presentation. Kaya bang gawin ng MLM ang mga ito for the sake of the prospective recruits? Lahat tayo ay naghahanap ng maginhawang buhay at handang magsikap para makamit ito. Huwag naman sanang bastusin ng mga MLM promoters ang pangarap nating ito para lamang kumita sila.

Good luck sa inyo.

[Jeffreyw]

Are you anti-MLM Dr Doom?

[brigitts]

doctor doom:

unang una, iba ang pyramiding sa networking. ang pyramiding ay gumagamit ng binary system kung san by pairs ang pagrecruit kaya pagdrinawing mo, lalabas ang hugis pyramid.

ang FLP ay isang legal multi-level marketing o network marketing at HINDI pyramiding. kung pangit ang MLM bakit course na siya sa la salle at ateneo, both very prestigious schools in the country?

sang kapanahunan ka ba nakatira? times are changing, in order to succeed, one must keep up with the times and that includes companies and marketing strategies. hindi na pwedeng magstay ka sa makaluma o traditional, sometimes you have to think out of the box.

dati ang turo ng mga magulang sa mga anak nila, go to school, get high grades so you can land a good paying job then work the rest of your life. ngayon ang turo na nila robert kiyosaki (author of rich dad poor dad) is learn how to make money work for you and not you working for money. dati, traditional marketing ang ginagamit ng mga companies, ngayon there's already MLM. keeping up with the times lang yan. and those who are adaptable to change are those that survive.

FLP's number 1 country is germany, sumunod ang japan. kung pangit ang concept ng MLM, how come laganap ang paggamit ng mga malalaki at makapangyarihang mga bansang ito sa MLM??

pinapakita din ng FLP ang truth of the matter: this is not an overnight success. in order to succeed in this business, you have to sell the products and you have to work hard and persevere. hindi lang ito puro cheke. pawis, pagod, hirap, sipag at tiyaga rin to just like any other legal business. hindi ito overnight sensation. pinapakita lang namin ang mga very possible and very probable na ma-aachieve mo if you work hard and work with the system. we're also just presenting an opportunity for people especially those who think they can't make it in other forms of business and employment because of lack of capital, scholastic knowledge and diploma.

importante na ngayon ang financial knowledge, learning and knowing how money works, how your money grows and how you can maintain your hard-earned wealth.

so i don't think MLM is bad. may mga ibang companies lang talaga who give it a bad name dahil sila yung mga talagang scams. sila yung mga recruit lang ng recruit at ang pinapaikot lang nilang pera ay yung mga galing sa recruits nila. FLP is different, kaya may kinikita ang mga distributors ng FLP is because there is PRODUCT MOVEMENT. kahit wala kang marecruit, kikita ka pa rin sa bawat galaw ng mga produkto. akala mo small money lang ang retailing? oo maliit lang ang kita mo sa bawat benta pero pagsama-samahin mo lahat ng maliliit na benta ng buong network group mo, napakalaking halaga yan. yan ang dahilan ng malalaking cheke. so bottom line is PRODUKTO pa rin.

[doctor_doom]

Kaibigang Jeffreyw, nais ko lang ipakita ang kabilang side ng MLM na ayaw nilang ipakita sa inyo. Napaso na ako sa MLM. Iniwan ko na ang lahat ng mga pagkukunwari at panlilinlang, hindi lamang sa mga naging prospect at downline ko, kundi pati na sa sarili ko. Sawa na ako sa mga isinisilaw nilang materyalismo.

[doctor_doom]

Kaibigang brigitts, unang-una, liwanagin nga natin ang mga terms na ginagamit, okey? Malaki po ang diperensya ng “pyramiding” at “pyramid structure”. Maaring hindi pyramiding ang MLM ninyo, pero bali-baligtarin mo man ay pyramid shape pa rin ang structure. Ba’t di mo idrowing. Ikaw na upline at dalawa mong downline. Hindi ba hugis pyramid yan?

Malaki din po ang diprensya ng “networking” sa “network marketing” o “multi-level marketing”. Kung ang isang doktor, accountant at abogado ay nagtipon at nagpalitan ng business cards, networking po yan dahil pag nagkataon, maaring kakailanganin ng isa’t isa ang mga serbisyong ino-offer nila. Ang network marketing ay tungkol lamang sa recruitment at pagpapalago ng downline. Ikaw na rin ang may sabi, pagsamasamahin mo ang benta ng grupo mo, malaking halaga ang kikitain mo. Samakatuwid, you are confirming na in fact nasa recruitment ang pera at wala sa sariling retailing. Sa palagay ko, tunay na “networking” ang tinuturo sa mga paaralang nabanggit mo, hindi ang mga taktika ng pangre-recruit.

Okey, okey, okey. Sabihin na nating maganda ang MLM ninyo. New trend, keeping up with the times, wave of the future, tinuturo sa unibersidad, etc. etc. Subali’t sa forum na ito, at kung saan pang forum na MLM ang pinaguusapan, magpahanggang ngayon hindi natin hinaharap ang mga isyung ipinahayag ko rito. Iniiwasan natin ang mga isyung ito at sa halip, bumabalik tayo sa kagandahan ng programa, sa franchising, sa pyramiding, sa mga business trends (daw), etc. etc.
Bakit di natin balikan ang tunay na isyu. Kung sakaling nakalimutan na natin dahil pinalibut-libot ng mga MLM disciples ang usapan, eto sila:

"Sa akin lang, sana naman magkaroon ng kunsensiya ang mga promotor ng MLM dito sa atin at iwasan ang mga questionable recruitment tactics at maging truthful sa kanilang disclosures para hindi naman maipit ang mga disipulo. Umpisahan natin ang materyalismo. Bakit hindi alisin sa mga presentation yan? Pagusapan ang produkto at produkto lamang, hindi ang perang kinita ni Kurdapyong distributor. Ilantad ang actual na average income ng active distributors sa bawat income level at hindi lamang ang projected income, at pati na rin ang actual na bilang ng mga distributors sa bawat income level. Ibunyag ang tunay na dropout rate. Ipaliwanag na ang malaking income ay makakamit lamang sa pagre-recruit at pagpalawak ng downlines. Iwasan ang deceptive information sa mga sales talk. Ibalik ang moralidad sa pagre-recruit at pag-iimbita ng mga prospect sa mga presentation. Do not bring prospects into a meeting under false pretenses. Kaya bang gawin ng MLM ang mga ito for the sake of the prospective recruits? Lahat tayo ay naghahanap ng maginhawang buhay at handang magsikap para makamit ito. Huwag naman sanang bastusin ng mga MLM promoters ang pangarap nating ito para lamang kumita sila."

Bigyan natin ng pagkakataong magdesisyon ang mga prospects ayon sa makatotohanang impormasyon. Kayo na rin ang nagsabi, magkasingtulad ang MLM at franchising. Ang diperensya, sa franchising, tunay na disclosures ang pinapakita sa iyo at hindi tunay na materyalismo na siyang ginagamit ng MLM.

Ano po sa palagay ninyo?

[doctor_doom]

Siyanga pala, dagdag ko lang.

Huwag din nating kalimutan ang mga misinformation at disinformation na pinaiiral ng mga MLM promoters. Nakita nyo na ang mga example dito.

Katulad ng sinasabi nilang pareho daw ang franchising at MLM. Not true. Maraming pagkakaiba at nabaggit ko na ang ilan sa mga ito.

Tinuturo daw ang MLM sa paaralan. Totoo nga ba? Maaring networking ang tinuturo, hindi network marketing. At maari ding topic ito sa isang klase, pero hindi ito ang subject mismo. Bakit di ninyo tingnan ang curriculum at prospectus para masiguro ninyo bago ninyo ipamalita ito sa mga prospect?

Ito daw ang bagong trend sa business. Revolutionary idea. Really? Paano ninyo masasabi na bago at revolutionary ang MLM? This idea has been around for decades. In fact, ang ideyang ito ay naggaling kay Charles Ponzi. Ipinagpalit lamang ang produkto sa pera para gawing legal, subali’t ang sistema ay hindi nagbago. Kung business trend ang paguusapan, isa sa mga tunay na business trend ay ang pagbenta ng produkto online sa pamamagitan ng internet. Companies big and small from all industries are doing this. Nagtataka lang ako, kung MLM ang recognized na new and revolutionary business trend na katulad ng pinahayag ninyo, bakit hindi nagkakandarapa ang mga kumpanyang mag-MLM? At kung new trend nga ito, hindi na kailangan ang sales talk at presentation dahil prospect na mismo ang kakatok sa pinto ninyo.

Isa sa mga pinakamalaking disinformation ay ang tungkol sa saturation. Wala daw saturation sa MLM. Mga kaibigan, saturation is a real issue for any business. Kaya nga may tawag na inventory control, supply management, etc. Gawin nating simple ang example. Sabihin natin na may 30 estudyante sa bawat classroom ng isang kolehiyo, at ang produktong tutukuyin natin ay shampoo. Bakit kolehiyo lamang? Dahil menor de edad ang mga nasa elementary pati na ang mga nasa high school, at lahat ng gastos sagot ni Daddy at Mommy. Demographics po ang tawag dyan. The market reality is, iba’t ibang klaseng shampoo ang bibilhin ng mga estudyanteng ito. Kung MLM ka, at bebentahan mo ng retail ang classroom, hindi lahat bibili o di naman kaya, walang bibili. Gusto ng consumer ang variety sa marketplace, gusto nila na meron silang pagpipilian, at naghahanap rin sila ng product value. Consumer economics fact yan. Ngayon, bakit di natin i-recruit ang classroom na ito? Ang malamang na scenario ay ito: may ilang estudyante ang aayaw kaagad sa MLM, mayroong mga involved na sa MLM, mayroong mga tumiwalag na sa MLM, mayroong mga nakarinig na tungkol sa MLM at nag-decide na ayaw nila ito, mayroon ding willing na makikinig sa presentation, at mayroon ding magpapa-recruit. Makabenta at maka-recruit man kayo o hindi, wala ng silbi para sa prospecting ang classroom na iyan dahil saturated na, hindi lamang sa product saturation kundi pati perception saturation na rin. Kailangan ninyong maghanap ng panibagong classroom at preskong prospects. Ang tanong, ilan kayong MLM ang naghahanap ng panibagong classroom sa kolehiyo, at ilang classroom na ang napasukan? Hindi magtatagal, walang ng classroom na mapupuntahan. Kung hindi saturation ang tawag diyan, ano?

Kaya ba ng mga disipulo ng MLM na iwasan ang pagkakalat ng misinformation at disinformation?

[Jeffreyw]

doctor doom

I got your point. It's like you're saying: "There's nothing wrong with MLM, it's the people who run a business using MLM."

Do you agree?

[kennster]

doctor_doom: ow cmon, hehehe i can back-up my claim that MLM is ALMOST exactly the same as franchising.. u know what, try reading some business/networking books ok!

Yeah some MLM'ers/Networkers give MLM a bad name but no need to bash the company in general coz it's not the company's fault that they have some rotten tomatoes.. i really pity u doctor_doom, doom do yourself a favor and enrol urself in a MLM course in DLSU or ADMU.. coz by the way you bash MLM or FLP here, it's really obvious that ur a pea-brain so before u answer, educate yourself first regarding MLM or FLP in general ok! Hope your whining gets you a good future doomie! Peace out! ;)

[kennster]

ok, you really sound pathetic now dr.doom, as ive told you before, try reading robert kiyosaki books ok.. i didnt say that MLM is exactly the same as franchising, rather i said it's ALMOST the same.. also the same old issue, SATURATION, yeah saturation is a big issue in networking, but it still depends on the company, to be fair, il just defend FLP here.. FLP is recognized in 104 countries worldwide, so what's that again doomie? SATURATION.. heheh dang, is that thing inside ur head workin'.. next, the 17 yr old peeps will turn 18 right.. SATURATION again doomie? :rolleyes:

You know what's wrong with you dr.doom, u dwell on the challenging part of MLM rather than look on the positive side.. whether u like it or not, MLM is here to stay and give hardworking people a chance to have a better life.. but then again, to each his own, like you doomie, u prefer whining and bashing MLM.. at least, your good in what you do. heheh :D

[Jeffreyw]

Let's talk about FLP and saturation. I have friends who were with FLP before, from Assistant Supervisors to Managers. All of them agreed that FLP has basically reached the saturation point here in the Philippines.

My other friend who just remained an AS for two years inspite of all full hard work and effort he gave in that span. He did prospecting practically everyday. Now he is with First Quadrant, and earning 5k to 20k per month.

[doctor_doom]

Kaibigang Jeffreyw, sa ganang akin, ang buong sistema ang dahilan. Marami akong kakilala na members ng kung anu-anong MLM. Mabubuting tao sila. Kaya lang, kadalasan the system condones exploitation.

Salamat sa impormasyon mo tungkol sa saturation point ng FLP. That just proves my point about saturation.

Kabibigan kennster, ginagawa mo namang personal. Ano ba naman ang ikinagagalit mo? Tinamaan ka ba? O baka galit ka lang dahil sa suluksulukan ng iyong talino na-realize mo na ang isang “pea-brain”, bobo at kaawa-awang tulad ko ay nakaisip na kwestiyonin ang motibo at sa sistema ng MLM.

Humahalinghing ba ako? Sinasabi ko lang na dapat ilantad ng mga MLM ang mga tunay na numero ng sistema nila para mabigyan naman ng tamang impormasyon ang prospect upang makagawa sila ng tamang desisyon. Sinasabi ko lang na dapat ipakita ng MLM ang both sides of the issue, samakutid, ang side na ukol sa reward at ang side na ukol sa risk, the good and the bad, ika nga. Ang reward side lamang ang pinapakita ng MLM. How can you arrive at an informed decision kung ang impormasyon ay kulang o di naman kaya mali?

Ang hirap sa mga taong kautad mo, kennster, iniiwasan mo na naman ang issues. Sasabihin mong bobo ako at pitiful at kung anu-ano pa. Oks lang sa akin yan. Pero, sa halip na paikut-ikutin mo ang diskusyon, bakit hindi mo talakayin ang mga issues na katulad ng materyalismo, disclosures, dropout rates, etc.? Huwag mong problemahin ang future ko. Problemahin mo ang future mo. Bakit hindi mo isiping maigi ang mga isyung nabanggit ko rito at bakit hindi ka humingi ng mga kasagutan sa mga uplines mo? Matalino ka naman kaya, so why don’t you act like it?

[brigitts]

doctor_doom:

Malaki po ang diperensya ng “pyramiding” at “pyramid structure”. Maaring hindi pyramiding ang MLM ninyo, pero bali-baligtarin mo man ay pyramid shape pa rin ang structure. Ba’t di mo idrowing. Ikaw na upline at dalawa mong downline. Hindi ba hugis pyramid yan?

ang FLP po ay di pyramiding at hindi rin pyramid structure. pagdrinowing ko ang FLP, mukha siyang bilog na may nakalink na maraming bilog na marami pang bilog nakalink sa bawat bilog. in other words, hugis network. hindi limitado sa dalawa ang downlines ko. indefinite ang shape ko dahil up to infinity ang network ko. hindi siya bubuo ng triangle, hindi siya bubuo ng pyramid.

Ang network marketing ay tungkol lamang sa recruitment at pagpapalago ng downline. Ikaw na rin ang may sabi, pagsamasamahin mo ang benta ng grupo mo, malaking halaga ang kikitain mo. Samakatuwid, you are confirming na in fact nasa recruitment ang pera at wala sa sariling retailing. Sa palagay ko, tunay na “networking” ang tinuturo sa mga paaralang nabanggit mo, hindi ang mga taktika ng pangre-recruit.

ang sabi ko pagsamasamahin ang BENTA ng grupo, malaking halaga ang kikitain. where did i say na nasa RECRUITMENT ang pera???? simpleng tagalog lang yon, DI MO PA NAINTINDIHAN?? wala kaming recruitment fee so pano mo sasabihing nasa recruitment ang pera?!!?! baka naman pinagkakamalan mo ang FLP sa FIRST QUADRANT o iba pang pyramiding scams.

ang tinuturo sa paaralan ay multi level marketing which utilizes manpower to connect to other people as a form of marketing strategy. the very same multi level marketing we apply in FLP.

[doctor_doom]

At siyanga pala, bakit hindi natin isipin kung bakit kasama ang MLM sa listahan ng top consumer complaints ng Federal Trade Commission? Maaaring bobo nga ako pero naiintindihan ko ang kasabihang “kung may usok, may apoy”.



Kaibigang brigitts, simple lamang ang design ng triangle: maliit sa taas, malapad sa baba. Ikaw ang nakaupo sa taas ng grupo mo, ang mga downline mo ay nasa baba mo, at ang downline ng downline mo ay nasa baba nila, etc. Tama ka, hugis-network nga, at ang hugis ng network ay parang pyramid.

Ngayon tungkol sa recruitment. Malaking halaga ang kikitain kung pagsamasamahin ang benta ng grupo, yan ang sabi mo. Hindi ba ang tinutukoy mo ay ang grupo mo? Paano ka nakabuo ng grupo? Hindi ba ni-recruit mo ang mga yan at ang mga ni-recruit mo ay may ni-recruit din? Kung walang recruitment, walang grupo, at kung walang grupo, saan manggagaling ang malaking kikitain?

[eL_dAsiK_oo1]

mga fellow FLPiers! :wave: :glee:

:dj:

[kennster]

it's obvious that the reason why you're bashing MLM is because you failed in Networking.
Just a friendly advice, no use sourgraping because it won't make u successful. sa mga tao dito na nagiisip na mag-venture sa Networking but nagdadalawang isisp because of the negative posts here, just do it.. because hindi naman porke nag-fail sila (e.g. doctor_doom) eh magfafail na din kayo.

My advice to all, just do what you think will be the best for you and your family and MOST importantly, don't associate yourselves to LOSERS/FAILURES like doctor_doom and company.. hindi naman sila ang magpapakain sa inyo, magpapaaral sa mga anak nyo.. We're all responsible for our own lives..
GOODLUCK to all the positive people! :)

[doctor_doom]

Kaibigang kennster, hindi porke inilabas ko ang mga isyung tinatago ng MLM ay bashing at sourgraping ako. Sinabi ko na, there are two sides to every issue, di ba? One side is yung tulad ng sinasabi mo tungkol sa programa ninyo. The other side naman is yung mga issues na tinalakay ko. Hindi po ako nag-fail sa MLM. I was making good money nung tumiwalag ako at nagsarili. Umalis ako dahil nakita ko ang kabilang anyo ng MLM, ang anyong ayaw ipakita ng mga promotor ninyo. Loser/failure? Kaibigan, hindi ko na kailangang mamasukan. May dalawang taon pa bago ako pumatak ng 30 at semi-retired na po ako. Ipinagdadasal ko nga na sana lahat ng mga kaibigan ko ay isang “failure at loser” na katulad ko.

Sangayon ako sa advice mo: “just do what you think will be the best for you and your family”. Pero, papaano makapagdesisyon ang prospect kung kalahati lamang ng impormasyon ang kanilang nasasagap mula sa mga recruiters?

Masama bang itanong kung ano ang dropout rate ng programa ninyo? Kung 80% ang dropout rate, ibig sabin niyan walo sa bawat sampung recruit ang tumitiwalag. Ang tanong diyan, eh, bakit? Ano ang dahilan? Kung talagang maganda ito, bakit 80% ang tumitiwalag?

Masama bang magtanong tungkol sa income disclosures? Ilan ang kasalukuyang miyembro ng organisasyon? Ilang miyembro sa bawat income o bonus level? Ano ang average NET income ng miyembro sa bawat income level? Dapat makita ng prospect ang income distribution ng programa para naman maliwanag ang income structure ng organisasyon at maliwanag din na makikita nila ang posibilidad at ang pagkakataon nilang kumita ng kayamanang pinapahayag ninyo. Kung, halimbawa, sa buong 100,000 miyembro ay 50 lamang ang nasa “profit-sharing level” at kumikita ng malaki, ibig sabihin ay 0.0005 porsiyento lamang ang nakakarating sa ganitong level. Ano ang kalagayan ng 99.9995 porsiyento? Ano ang pinapahayag ng income structure na ito? Na ang kumikita ng malaki ay ang mga nakapuwesto sa taas, hindi ba?

Ano ang dahilan ng malaking kinikita ng mga super uplines? Hindi ba ang kalakihan ng kanilang grupo sa downlines? Bakit hindi ninyo ipaliwanag na ang kayamanang pinapahayag ninyo ay nakakamit lamang sa pagpapalago ng grupo? Na ang recruitment is mandatory for big income at hindi optional.

At ang materyalismo. Bakit kailangang ipagdiinan ito sa mga prospect sa mga presentations? May kabuluhan ba ang programa ninyo kung wala ito? Kung meron, bakit hindi ninyo alisin ito?

Yan ang mga isyung kailangang pag-usapan. Yan rin ang mga isyung iniiwasan ng mga MLM disciples. Sa hinaba-haba ng diskusyon tungkol sa MLM, meron bang naitugon sina kennster and co. tungkol sa mga isyung ito? Wala? Bakit kamo? Ano ang tinatago nila?

Advice ko sa mga prospects: Alamin ninyo ang lahat tungkol sa mga oportunidad na papasukan ninyo. Magtanong kayo. Huwag ninyong lunukin ng madalian ang kung anumang isinusubo sa inyo. Remember, sabi na mismo ni kennster: “We’re all responsible for our own lives”.

Good luck sa inyo.

[kennster]

doctor_doom: im just wonderin', if u became successful in Networking, would your point of view still be the same.. the point here is you have the perspective of a FAILURE while people like me, have SUCCESS as our perspective. but unfortunately for you doctor_doom, ur SOURGRAPING aint gonna change the facts.. MLM/Networking is a course in HARVARD.. if u have doubts, try checking it out over the internet.. even here in the phils., MLM/Networking is a subject in DLSU and ADMU. About the two sides of the coin, i present all info to my downlines and prospects.. i tell them that it's hard, there are bad days, weeks or even months.. but i also tell them that work hard, be patient.. coz if u wanna reach ur dreams, u have to work for it. maybe it's time doctor_doom that u present the 2 sides of the coin.. stop sourgraping ur just proving how much of a LOSER you are. Peace out! :)

[brigitts]

doctor_doom

Masama bang itanong kung ano ang dropout rate ng programa ninyo? Kung 80% ang dropout rate, ibig sabin niyan walo sa bawat sampung recruit ang tumitiwalag. Ang tanong diyan, eh, bakit? Ano ang dahilan? Kung talagang maganda ito, bakit 80% ang tumitiwalag?

sa mga taong tumitiwalag o nagqquit, maraming mga dahilan yang mga yan. maaaring di pa lang nila panahon ngayon, di talaga nila kaya ang ganitong negosyo, etc. o maari rin na HINDI talaga nila naintindihan ang negosyo. pero hindi porket may umaalis eh hindi maganda ang kompanya. wag mong isisi sa company namin na legal naman. nasa tao yan, pwede rin na may mali siyang gingawa. may mga franchise na nagsasara rin naman pero hindi ibig sabihin non ay pangit ang kompanya, dahil kung pangit ang kompanya eh di sana lahat ng franchise nito ay nagsara na rin. maaaring nasa franchisee ang problema, pwedeng wala nang pampuhunan, walang oras, etc.

Masama bang magtanong tungkol sa income disclosures? Ilan ang kasalukuyang miyembro ng organisasyon? Ilang miyembro sa bawat income o bonus level? Ano ang average NET income ng miyembro sa bawat income level? Dapat makita ng prospect ang income distribution ng programa para naman maliwanag ang income structure ng organisasyon at maliwanag din na makikita nila ang posibilidad at ang pagkakataon nilang kumita ng kayamanang pinapahayag ninyo. Kung, halimbawa, sa buong 100,000 miyembro ay 50 lamang ang nasa “profit-sharing level” at kumikita ng malaki, ibig sabihin ay 0.0005 porsiyento lamang ang nakakarating sa ganitong level. Ano ang kalagayan ng 99.9995 porsiyento? Ano ang pinapahayag ng income structure na ito? Na ang kumikita ng malaki ay ang mga nakapuwesto sa taas, hindi ba?

marami na ang miyembro ng forever living pero iilan lang ang active. kung gusto niyo ng figures, tanungin niyo na lang sa office kasi nakacomputerized naman lahat yan at connected all over the world. ipinapaliwanag naman sa mga seminars ang income structure ng kompanya, ipinapaliwanag din ang ang averagage income sa bawat level at kung paano ka pwedeng magqualify sa profit sharing. depende naman yan sa sipag at tiyaga ng mga tao sa negosyong ito. hindi lahat ng nakapwesto sa taas ang may malaking kita. ang mga top sellers o top people ng forever living ay may kanya kanyang uplines pero mas mataas ang kinikita nila kaysa sa mga to. kung talagang masipag ka kaysa sa upline mo, kahit mas mataas pa yon sayo sa posisyon, matataasan mo pa rin siya sa income.

kaya hindi rin pwede maging saturated ang market namin is because our products are unique in which sa mga distributors lang namin ikaw makakabili ng products and they are highly consumable meaning pagnaubos ito, bibili ulit ang consumers. kung sasabihin niyong saturated kami, para niyo na ring sinabi na saturated na ang market ng coke. kung ang coke nga, natikman na ng lahat ng tao, hindi pa rin saturated ang market, kami pa kaya eh hindi pa nga lahat ng tao nakakatikim ng aloe vera gel.

[brigitts]

doctor_doom

Ano ang dahilan ng malaking kinikita ng mga super uplines? Hindi ba ang kalakihan ng kanilang grupo sa downlines? Bakit hindi ninyo ipaliwanag na ang kayamanang pinapahayag ninyo ay nakakamit lamang sa pagpapalago ng grupo? Na ang recruitment is mandatory for big income at hindi optional.

ang MLM o networking company ay gumagamit ng tinatawag na law of leverage wherein you multiply yourself through other people. dadagdag sa kita mo ang mga product movements ng mga downlines mo at oo, malaking pera din to. pero hindi ito mandatory. hindi requirement ang P12000 sa company namin. even if you don't invest, pwede kang maging member at makibusiness dito. hindi kami mamamatay kahit na wala kaming marecruit kasi meron kaming products at merong product movement. please lang, iba yung mga pyramiding companies kung san kaya sila kumikita ay dahil sa mga recruitment fee ng bawat sasali sa kanila. pagwala silang marecruit, wala na, babagsak na ang kompanya. kami, wala kaming recruitment fee pero meron kaming produktong binebenta.

Kaibigang brigitts, simple lamang ang design ng triangle: maliit sa taas, malapad sa baba. Ikaw ang nakaupo sa taas ng grupo mo, ang mga downline mo ay nasa baba mo, at ang downline ng downline mo ay nasa baba nila, etc. Tama ka, hugis-network nga, at ang hugis ng network ay parang pyramid.

uulitin ko po, hindi po kami pyramiding. ang pyramiding company ay nagrerecruit ng limitadong bilang ng mga tao kaya pagdrinowing mo, lalabas talaga ang triangle o pyramid. kami, pagdrinowing mo, kung ako ay isang bilog at sa buong circumference ko ay may nakadikit na mga bilog, at sa bawat bilog ay meron ding nakadikit na bilog sa buong circumference nito, indefinite ang shape namin pero not a triangle nor a pyramid. ang pinakamalaking angle ng triangle ay ang obtuse angle na may 91-179 degrees na bubuo ng scalene triangle. ang bilog ay may 360 degrees so pano kami naging triangle?? wala ka bang imagination na napakahirap mong mapicture ang hugis namin na totoong MLM?? please don't associate or mistake us for pyramiding or binary system companies.

[brigitts]

doctor_doom

Ngayon tungkol sa recruitment. Malaking halaga ang kikitain kung pagsamasamahin ang benta ng grupo, yan ang sabi mo. Hindi ba ang tinutukoy mo ay ang grupo mo? Paano ka nakabuo ng grupo? Hindi ba ni-recruit mo ang mga yan at ang mga ni-recruit mo ay may ni-recruit din? Kung walang recruitment, walang grupo, at kung walang grupo, saan manggagaling ang malaking kikitain?

malaki pa rin ang pwede kong kitain kahit hindi ako magrecruit ng tao. sa bawat gagamitin kong produkto, may product movement. sa bawat mabebenta kong produkto, may product movement. kung pagsasamahin ko lahat ng mga maliliit na kita sa bawat taong bibili sakin, malaki pa rin lalabas yon. gaya ng sabi ko, depende lang to sa sipag at tiyaga ng tao sa negosyong ito. merong iba na hindi nag iinvite ng tao, ang ginagawa lang nila ay naghahanap sila ng mga taong may sakit o nangangailangan ng mga produkto namin at binebentahan ng mga produkto. again, may product movement. hindi sila nagrecruit pero malaki pa rin ang kinikita nila dahil nga may PRODUCT MOVEMENT.

At ang materyalismo. Bakit kailangang ipagdiinan ito sa mga prospect sa mga presentations? May kabuluhan ba ang programa ninyo kung wala ito? Kung meron, bakit hindi ninyo alisin ito?

hindi materialistic ang mga tao dito, realistic lang. lahat tayo ay may mga pangarap. pwedeng mapagaral ang mga anak mo, mabigyan ng magandang buhay ang pamilya mo, mapagretire ng maaga ang magulang mo. materyalismo ba to? HINDI. pero para makamit natin to, kelangan natin ng pera para pambili ng educational plan o pambayad ng tuition sa mga anak natin, magkaron ng comfortable lifestyle, etc. money IS ONLY a means in which we achieve our dreams. kaya nagsha-share ang mga speakers sa mga nakuha nila sa forever ay para mapakita sa mga tao na if you work hard in this business, you too can achieve your dreams. hindi porket pera ang pinaguusapan eh mukha ka ng pera o materialistic ka na. HINDI PO KAMI MUKHANG PERA, MUKHA LANG PO KAMING PANGARAP. lahat ng tao nagtatrabaho para kumita ng pera, ang plastik mo naman kung sasabihin mo na kaya ka nagtatrabaho ay dahil gusto mo lang. ang pwede lang magsabi nito ay yung mga volunteer workers na walang nakukuhang kapalit na kita o sweldo.

[brigitts]

doctor_doom

At siyanga pala, bakit hindi natin isipin kung bakit kasama ang MLM sa listahan ng top consumer complaints ng Federal Trade Commission? Maaaring bobo nga ako pero naiintindihan ko ang kasabihang “kung may usok, may apoy”.

FYI, ang forever living products ay ang only MLM company na walang complaints at walang lawsuits, so wala po kaming usok at lalong wala po kaming apoy. =)

siguro naman KAIBIGANG doctor_doom ay natalakay na namin ang mga sinasabi mong issues. wala namang tinatago ang kompanya namin. just like in any business, you have to work hard. mamumuhunan ka talaga ng pawis, dugo, pagod, sipag at tiyaga. lagi naman naming sinasabi na hindi ito overnight success. ang sinasabi lang namin is we're giving you an opportunity that will help you achieve your dreams.

hindi ka rin namin pipilitin sumali kung talagang ayaw mo. minsan ang tao pagnanood ng sine, sasabihing pangit dahil hindi nila naintindihan ang storya, pero tanungin mo yung mga nakaintindi, sasabihin nila maganda. ganon lang din dito, ang mga tao na malakas magsalita na alam nila ang negosyo, na pangit ang negosyo, ay yung mga taong HINDI NAINTINDIHAN ang negosyo.

ngayon, kung talagang naintindihan mo pero ayaw mo pa rin, ok lang. diyan ka na lang sa kinalalagyan mo ngayon. sabagay kung lahat ng tao ay sumali at nagconcentrate sa forever living, wala nang mga engineers na gagawa ng mga bahay ng successful dito, wala ng car salesman na magbebenta ng kotse para sa mga successful dito, wala ng insurance agent na magbebenta ng educational plan para sa mga anak ng mga successful dito. kaya ok lang, hindi naman kawalan o ikayayaman ang hindi pagsali o pagsali mo dito. =)

[kennster]

Originally posted by doctor_doom
Napaso na ako sa MLM.

what if naging successful ka sa MLM, hmmm i doubt if ganyan pa din kalaki galit mo sa MLM. don't bash the company nor the system just because u FAILED. Like what i always say, we're all responsible for our own lives.. you FAILED not because of the company nor the system but because maybe you lacked something, whether be it attitudewise or skillwise.. so just a friendly advice, stop the sourgraping thing ok, ur just showing us how much of a BORNLOSER you are.. aight? :rolleyes: ;)

[kennster]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
racket ba? kumikita lang yung nasa taas? i suggest you look at your corporate structure... ano shape? triangle diba? pyramid? who earns the most? the CEO, the guy at the top. then the president, the VP's... who earns the scraps? the entry level employees... tsk tsk...

why look at those who failed? sino ba gagayahin mo si dodot jaworski o si michael jordan? the reason why so many people are putting FLP down is because it is the NUMBER 1 MLM in the philippines and 2 in the world. Their sales have exceeded the Bilion dollar mark and is among the TOP 500 companies in the Philippines. why join others who are just starting? just to be AT THE TOP? gusto nyo din pala manlamang eh... dun ka nalang sa pinaka stable diba? gano katagal kaya tatagal yang mga iba? di natin alam...

will it require you to work hard? of course! subukan mo matulog sa opisina mo sisante ka kaagad... is it perfect? of course not, NOTHING is. it just has more good than bad... is it worth it? definitely.

i suggest you look at www.mlm.ch, it is a very informative lecture about mlm (not FLP) done by dr.Charles King, harvard Phd in business. wala naman masama tumingin diba? :D

:)

[brigitts]

sowee double post.. :)

[brigitts]

doctor_doom

kung tingin mo marami kang alam sa network marketing particularly sa FLP kahit talagang wala naman, wag ka nang masyadong magmarunong. you don't need to bash the company especially kung FEELING mo lang naintindihan mo yung negosyo.

knowledge is power, but little knowledge is danger... :rolleyes: :D

[doctor_doom]

“MLM/Networking is a course in HARVARD”

Isa ito sa mga greatest disinformation na kinakalat ng mga MLM promoters. Ang MLM has never been taught in Harvard. Sa totoo lang, “networking” ang ini-emphasize ng business schools na katulad ng Wharton, Cornell, and yes, Harvard. Pero ang “networking” na pinag-aaralan sa mga paaralang ito ay networking in the context of professional socializing, hindi MLM. Ang hirap sa mga MLM promoters, ginamit nila ito para ilabas na MLM nga ang tinuturo sa Harvard. Pawang kasinungalingan.

Kaibigang kennster, you are still avoiding the MLM issues na tinalakay ko rito. Anyway, kung tunay nga na tinuturo ang MLM sa Harvard, bakit hindi mo patunayan ito? Tutal na-research mo na ito, di ba?

Kaibigang brigitts, magandang expanation. Typical MLM recruit response. Pero pinaikot mo lang ang usapan. Halimbawa, wala akong sinabing mukhang pera and sinuman. Sinasabi ko lang, bakit materyalismo ang siyang ginagamit na pang-akit ng MLM? Pwede bang alisin ang pagpapahayag ng materyalismo sa mga presentation? At bakit kailangang sa head office pa pupunta ang prospect para makuha ang disclosures? Kaya nga disclosures ang tawag, eh. You have to disclose this information to the prospect.

You want 2 sides of the coin? Basahin natin ang mga sumunod na articles.

Sa mga prospect at mga recruits, ito ang naghihintay sa inyo sa MLM.

[doctor_doom]

article from INC.com

by Norm Brodsky, a veteran entrepreneur whose 6 businesses include a former INC. 100 company and a 3-time INC. 500 company.

MULTILEVEL MISCHIEF

Some people get rich through multilevel marketing, but the overwhelming majority fall by the wayside—and that’s no accident. It’s how the system works.

My friend Eliot is a guy who's always out chasing the dream. He works in the back office of a major financial-services firm, making five times more than he could earn anywhere else, but he hates his job and wants to be in business for himself. A few years ago he bought some vending machines for disposable cameras and put them in zoos and airports. He lost his entire investment. Then he thought he'd open up a chain of gadget stores. It never got off the ground.

One day he came to see me, and I noticed he was looking better than usual. He'd taken off some weight. He was wearing nicer clothes. He had a new air of self-confidence. He said, "I've got another deal, a selling deal. I want to give you a presentation."

I said, "It's multilevel marketing, isn't it?"

"No, no, no," he said. "Just come over to my place. I'll show you."

He was insistent, and I was curious. So I showed up at the appointed time. Eliot went through his sales pitch, which was very good. You could tell it was canned, but he'd rehearsed it, and he did a good job. He laid out the whole plan.

It was multilevel marketing.

I generally try not to make value judgments about businesses, but I admit I have a real problem with multilevel marketing (MLM), or network marketing, as it's sometimes called. You know the concept. It's what made Amway a household name. For that matter, it was MLM that propelled both Herbalife International and, more recently, Equinox International to the top spot on the INC. 500 list.

Whatever products they offer, MLM companies use essentially the same formula. They sign up sales representatives by offering them the opportunity to go into business for themselves with little or no start-up capital--and to make millions if they're successful. How? Mainly by recruiting other salespeople. Unlike most businesses, an MLM company pays you a commission not only on your sales but also on the sales of all the people you've brought into the network, either directly or indirectly. So if someone you recruit goes out and recruits a bunch of terrific salespeople--and they recruit more terrific salespeople--you stand to make a fortune. In fact, some people do.

The successful ones are the exceptions, however. The overwhelming majority of people who come into the network fall by the wayside. What's more, the company knows in advance that they're going to fail. It's a matter of statistics. It's part of the plan.

Why? Because when you strip away the hype, MLM is nothing more than a technique for finding good salespeople by promoting a fundamental falsehood, namely, the idea that anyone can be a good salesperson. All you need are the right tools.

That's not true, and the MLM companies know it's not true. Most people will never be good enough at selling to earn a living from it, let alone take home a six-figure income. To be a good salesperson, you need qualities you simply can't get from a motivational tape or a seminar--a knack for connecting with people, an ability to handle rejection. Above all, you have to enjoy selling. Most people don't.

On the other hand, just about everybody wants to be financially independent, and a well-designed MLM program looks and sounds like an easy, low-risk way to get there. Different companies use different approaches. Some programs require participants to buy a starter kit for, say, $100. In Eliot's case, there was no starter kit, but participants had to purchase at least $50 worth of products--mainly household goods like paper towels or lightbulbs--from the company catalog every month.

Whatever the terms of the deal, the emphasis is always on building the network--and on the stream of earnings that seems to come almost automatically as a result. If you don't have sales experience, no problem. The program usually includes a hefty dose of training in the form of motivational tapes, videos, and seminars, all of which can be purchased from the company. Those motivational items are the company's second product line--and a very high-margin one at that.

And a lot of people want to believe the sales pitch. They want to believe that, to get rich, all they need is training and determination. They want to believe that making money can be easy. That's an illusion, of course. Making money is very difficult. It takes blood, sweat, tears, and talent to succeed in any field, particularly sales, but many of us would prefer to believe otherwise, and the MLM companies make it easy to do so.

So people sign up, buy the tapes, attend the seminars, and go out to sell and recruit. Whom do they go to? Their friends and relatives, of course, some of whom join the network as well. Most of them don't last, either, but they buy tapes and attend seminars before they leave.

And a few people, a small but predictable percentage, actually turn out to be good salespeople. They wind up selling a significant amount of the company's first product line--vitamins, personal-care items, household goods, whatever. That's good for the company. It's also good for the successful salespeople, particularly those who got in early and stayed with the program.

But their success comes at the expense of the other people, the ones who waste their time and money pursuing a goal they can never reach.

And that's the trouble with multilevel marketing. You make money on your ability to use people. Once you sign on, you hardly have a choice. Not that you want anyone to fail, but you can't hit the jackpot unless you build the network, and that means signing up as many recruits as possible--most of whom have no chance of making the grade.

Listen. There are better ways to earn a living, especially if you have the ability to sell. Anyone who can make millions in MLM can do just as well in another type of business, one that doesn't require you to take advantage of other people. Selling is an honorable calling. Good salespeople provide a service to their customers. Good salespeople generate the revenues that pay other people's wages. Good salespeople are often the ones who start their own businesses. And good salespeople don't need multilevel marketing to get rich.

As for people like my friend Eliot, they're just MLM cannon fodder. I could see, however, that he was sold on the program.

When he finished his presentation, he asked me what I thought. I said, "Eliot, you aren't a salesman, and you're not going to be successful with this, but it seems to be doing good things for you. You're looking better. You're more self-confident. That's terrific. So maybe you want to keep doing the tapes and the seminars, but treat it as a second job. Don't quit your day job.

"And one more thing. Don't solicit your friends or relatives. When this is over, a lot of people are going to be angry at you. It's better if they aren't people you have to see all the time."

Eliot lasted about eight months. All told, he spent $5,000 or $6,000 in the program, mainly on motivational material, and traveled to pep rallies all over the country. When he saw he wasn't getting anywhere, he dropped out. He put the weight back on, started dressing the way he used to, and left six or eight people annoyed with him for not following through.

The company did all right. Between Eliot and his recruits, it probably sold $25,000 of its high-margin motivational material. And a couple of the people Eliot brought in wound up sticking with the program, which helped the guy who'd signed Eliot up.

Maybe when that guy becomes a millionaire, he'll send Eliot a bunch of roses.

[doctor_doom]

an article written by economic and business journalist, Leonard W. Clements

MLM PRODUCTS: SHOULDN’T WE BE ASHAMED?

Once upon a time, one of the greatest bragging rights of most all network marketers was the superiority of our products. The theory goes: MLM operations don't have huge advertising and marketing budgets, so they can afford to pump a lot more dollars into developing their products. They also, again in theory, are afforded a greater margin thus lower priced products than comparable items sold through conventional means.

So much for that theory.

In reality, there is rampant inflation in this industry. Product pricing is spiraling out of control, and has for most of the decade. This is likely due to the massive influx of MLM opportunities into an already over saturated market. As the existing distributor pool continues to be spread thinner and thinner, most companies have chosen to compete for distributors by juicing up the numbers in their compensation plans. The bigger the pay out, the more distributors they will attract. One need only peruse any of the MLM trade publications and it will become glaringly obvious that the vast majority of MLM programs today compete by comparing the theoretic pay outs of their comp plans. And, sure enough, prospective distributors do migrate towards the program that promises the greatest income. After all, we aren't doing this for our health. Are we?

So, as the percentage of each product sale that goes towards commissions increases, so must the margin between the company cost and wholesale. Thus, the wholesale and retail price of the product increases as well. And it's been steadily increasing for fifty years, and skyrocketing the last five. Just take a look at the first MLM compensation plan back in 1945. It paid 3% down one generation! Most plans back in the 60's paid overrides of around 15-20% down four or five generations. During the 80's total pay outs of around 40% were common. I remember designing a unilevel plan back in 1991 that paid 7% down seven levels (49% maximum pay out) and being concerned that the 35-40% it would actually pay was too much. Today, that plan would be laughed at. Most compensation plans have theoretic maximum pay outs of 60-75% or more, and many actually pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 45-60%.

The result is an 8 ounce bottle of shampoo with a suggested retail price of $25.00! Nine to twelve dollars wholesale for shampoo is common place in this industry today. Of course, they all try to justify their pricing with the old "superior quality" routine. Hey, for $25.00 the stuff better not only clean my hair, it better soak into my brain and make me smarter. Or, how about a 1.5 ounce candy bar for $2.20 -- wholesale! One Halloween and, boom, you're wiped out. Or, how about a box of laundry detergent for $49.00? Oh, but it's "concentrated" they'll tell you. For that price, it better be so concentrated that not even light can escape from the box!
All of the above are real examples. To only a slightly lesser degree, the examples are endless. And we should be ashamed.

Not only are the prices of most MLM products getting ridiculous, so are the types of products. I mean, how many prepaid calling card companies do we need? Several companies now have gone so far as to not even offer a product. Instead they provide you with the funds to purchase a wide array of products and services from third-party, non-related vendors (usually a catalog company of some kind). They then claim to be offering "thousands" of products and services. Uh uh. They are actually selling nothing but the opportunity to make money. The travel industry has been inundated with quasi-travel agents trying to get discounts by flashing laminated "independent outside travel agent" cards. The MLM industry was quick to jump into the foray in a big way. After all, imagine how much commission you could pay out (and profit you could make) by selling a $4.95 laminated card for $300-$500 per year! Yes, there are some legitimate travel deals out there that do offer a bona fide service, and a few are network marketed. A few. Most, however, are nothing more than "card mills." Every month it seems we have some new gimmicky miracle product on the market. A few companies are, once again, offering a smoking cure (this is a fad that comes and goes every few years). Of course, if the product actually worked it would be front page news all over the world, the pharmaceutical industry would surely be trying to classify it as a drug, and the tobacco industry would be spending billions to debunk it.

Another company is selling a single product -- an aphrodisiac based on green oats. This is the same ingredient that was the basis for a short lived fad back in the late 80's, before the media began to report that it didn't really work on men and gave many women headaches (which, of course, kind of defeats the whole purpose of the product).

Most recently there have been a wave of "fat sponge" products based on ground up crustacean shells. This ingredient was previously used to soak up oil spills and as an ingredient in hair conditioners. Very few formal studies have been done (that I know of, and I looked hard) on the long term results of ingesting this stuff in the body. In this case, only time will tell if we have another aminophyllin on our hands, which was an asthma medication found to reduce thigh circumference when applied regularly to the skin. Several MLM companies had heated battles over the rights to aminophyllin a couple year ago -- which dissolved about the same time that many woman began reporting adverse reactions to the product.

One MLM company has devoted itself almost entirely to ridding us of parasites in our bodies. Their cassette tape which describes the benefits of their product is certainly compelling and moves a lot of product, I'm sure. Curiously, though, I've yet to speak to a single user of this product (and I've spoken with several) who didn't have some variation of an "I passed an eight inch tape worm" story. I've even heard about one woman who claims she rubbed the product on her arm and eventually induced parasites to emerge from her skin! I mean, come on people.

Today, with the success of such tapes and the "parasite tape" and the "Dead Doctors tape" it was inevitable that more MLM companies would start to ask, "What kind of tape can we produce that will scare the hell out of people?" The result (and it's only the beginning, folks) is a new product that will rid you of microscopic arachnids (spiders) in your bed. Something this companies tape claims we all have! In fact, one part of the tape I listened to the doctor/speaker went so far as to claim that the feces from these little critters can account for "up to 10% of the total weight of your pillow!"

If the Cold War hadn't ended, there would undoubtedly be some MLM company right now distributing tapes describing the great threat of Soviet nuclear weapons and the horrific effects of radiation poisoning -- and the need to purchase their radiation testing product and/or bomb shelters. And I'm only exaggerating slightly.
Probably the most ridiculous MLM product I've seen yet was a set of shoe insoles that apply accupressure to key points on the bottom of your foot. This product was then suppose to make you healthier and even cure diseases.

It's funny, in a strange sort of way, that for decades we have all been taught, over and over and over, to "duplicate what works... don't reinvent the wheel... find out what your successful upline is doing and do the same thing." Then, as soon as these same people go out and try to start their own MLM company, what's the first thing they do? They try to come up with some gimmicky compensation plan no one has ever tried before and look for a product niche no one else is currently in! Folks, there is a fifty year history to network marketing. There is half a century of precedent to go by to help us determine what works in this business and what does not. And for fifty years, tangible, consumable products have worked and almost, but not quite, everything else has failed! Try to come up with a list of all the current MLM companies that do not offer tangible, consumable products (i.e. skin & hair care, nutritional, home care, automotive, personal care, foods, etc.) that are at least three years old. I came up with fourteen (such as Primamerica, Discover Toys, Prepaid Legal, Jewelway, Excel, etc.). Just fourteen. Out of thousands and thousands of companies over the last fifty years. Fourteen! And don't put NSA on your list. Over half their sales today is a nutritional drink. Quorum? No, they also added consumables to their line, as did Nikken and The People's Network. Companies such as Personal Wealth Systems and American Benefits Plus tried to convert to a consumable product line just to survive (the former eventually merged with a product company, the latter became KaloVita, which also merged with a product company). Even Destiny Telecom won't be eligible for the list in a couple years -- they just added consumables to their line!

Personally, I believe that most MLM companies out there today were started by a group of people, usually ex-distributors, sitting around a table with the idea that they can make a lot of money by running their own MLM operation and asking the question, "Now, what can we sell?" The result is a hodgepodge of token products whipped up simply to support an MLM compensation plan. Think about it. Were there really hundreds of people out there who were into the pycnogenol/DHEA/Cats Claw/Colloidal Silver business who all decided to start an MLM company right about the same time? Come on. (To their credit, at least they were following the "duplicate what works" theory). Or, how about all these "lead generation" deals where you spend $100.00 per month for 500 names of "opportunity seekers" (which likely cost the company less than ten bucks). Oh, they claim they are generating their own leads with their own ads, but if they even get 1,000 people to join they are going to have to come up with half-a-million leads per month! Yes, some such services, such as Ad-Net and Pro-Step do offer a service of value, but most are simply using "leads" as an excuse to exchange cash.

These are all MLM programs for the sake of an MLM program. So many such companies today offer mundane, token products with basic formulations designed to keep production cost to a minimum and margins high -- so they can pay out "the most lucrative compensation plan in the industry." And their products are still twice the price of the stores!

What I wished more distributors understood was that the calculation to compute your commissions has a number on both sides of the multiplication sign. It's V x P = C. Or, sales Volume times override Percentage equals Commissions. In other words, PRODUCTS times COMP PLAN equals commissions. And it's the product side of the equation that is as, if not more important in determining your income. I don't care if a plan pays 10% down fifty levels -- 500% of zero is zero! Any pay out multiplied by a small amount of volume is going to result in a small commission check. It's the volume side of the equations that has an "unlimited" ceiling. It doesn't matter what the percentages are, how many levels you're paid, or even what type of plan you are working -- you move enough volume through it and you are going to make money!

The point here is that when you price your products outrageously high to accommodate a higher pay out, guess what happens. The percent side goes up, that's true. But the volume side goes down. You don't have to be an economics professor to figure that out. It's tough to move a lot of $25.00 bottles of shampoo. On the other hand, if more companies would keep there pricing in line, even if it meant reducing the percentages in the comp plan, income might actually increase! Why? Because 6% of $100.00 is more than 10% of $40.00. Not only that but we might actually reduce the number of MLM company failures at the same time. Let's take another look at our equation: V x P = C. Now let's add another variable called CP, or Company Profit. Now, raise P and V goes down, C stays the same (at best) -- and CP goes down as well. Not good. Now, lower P, raise V, C stays the same (at least) -- and CP goes UP! In fact, it's even possible that the company could end up paying more commissions to the field -- and increase their profit at the same time. Imagine that. Increasing profit while increasing an expense! Increased sales volume is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

And, by the way, if you can find a way to increase P and increase V, C and CP, then contact magician David Copperfield as soon as possible. He's looking for new material.

How do you create a higher sales volume? Find a product line that accomplished the following:
1. It is highly consumable. Not just consumable. I have a 2 ounce bottle of skin cream I purchased from an MLM company that I've been using as an after shave balm for almost five years now -- and it's not gone yet. And I still haven't used up the water purifier I bought back in '87 or the gold ring I bought in '89.
2. It lends itself well to transfer buying. In other words, there are a variety of products you would likely have purchased anyway. Most folks usually don't add Ginkgo Biloba or colloidal minerals to their weekly shopping list.
3. Can actually be retailed. They are products that people would actually want to buy even if they weren't part of the income opportunity.
4. Are of genuinely high quality. Genuinely being the key word here.
5. And most importantly of all, they must be priced reasonably!

All compensation plans have a certain personal volume that must be met each month to qualify for commissions. Most distributors tend to do what ever the minimum volume that is required of them. The whole idea behind numbers 1 through 4 above is to get the distributor to purchase more than they have to. And you just can't do that if you fail at number 5. Paying $29.00 for a $12.00 bottle of vitamins in not transfer buying, even if you would have purchased vitamins anyway. And you certainly can't mark up those vitamins even higher and retail them.

Please understand that this is not a condemnation of all network marketing companies. There are a few that have held there pricing to within reason, maintained their quality, and still have very competitive compensation plans, although they may not look as good on paper percentage wise.

But then, I pay my bills with dollars, not percentages.

[brigitts]

you know what, sa lahat naman talaga ng negosyo kailangan ng pagod, sipag at tiyaga. di naman namin yan tinatago dito sa forever. we're just showing you an opportunity to have an additional or higher income which can be a means for you to be able to achieve your dreams.

walang katapusan ang pagbabash mo sa negosyo, bakit, may nagpipilit ba sayong sumali dito? we've stated the facts, we've proven our points. kung talagang ayaw mo eh di wag. maybe this isn't for you, but for some people, this may be for them. wag mo silang pangunahan dahil maganda at legal ang negosyo namin kahit pa man di para sayo yan. maganda magdoktor but is it for everyone? no. but you don't bash doctors.

FLP does not use people, pag magsign up ka, may choice ka pa rin kung magbebenta ka o hindi, kung gagamit ka ng produkto o hindi, kung magiinvite ka ng tao o hindi. wala ka naman kasi kailangang malaking investment so di ka mapipilitan gawin ang isang bagay na talagang ayaw mo para lang mabawi ang nilabas mo.

kung ang sasabihin mo ay our success comes at the expense of other people, ibig sabihin si ray kroc (owner of mc donalds) uses other people rin. kasi marami siyang franchise ng mcdo, di naman siya nagbebenta pero siya kumikita. so masama pala siya? masama rin pala ang iba pang may ari ng negosyo?

hindi porket kumikita ka eh gumagamit ka na ng tao. the problem with you is that YOU MISTAKINGLY associate us with other illegal pyramiding or binary companies. kami kumikita dahil may, uulitin ko, PRODUCT MOVEMENT. sa iba, kumikita sila dahil sa RECRUITMENT FEE ng bawat marecruit nila. kung kami ay kumikita dahil sa product movement which is why traditional businesses also have sales/income/profit, eh di hindi kami masama dahil legal naman kumita dahil may negosyo ka.

if for you there are better ways of earning a living, then go ahead and do that. but for some people, this is the better way. kung isa kang tao na importante sayo ay time and financial freedom, utilize the opportunity presented to you by this business. kung isa kang tao na tingin mo wala ka nang pag-asang maghanap ng magandang trabaho dahil wala kang natapos, maaari ka pa rin umunlad dito. ngayon kung ikaw ay isang tao na walang ginawa kundi siraan ang isang negosyong hindi naman niya naiintindihan at pilit pinagkakamalan sa mga illegal na kompanya, eh maghanap ka na nga ng ibang negosyo at pagkakakitaan mo, di ka namin kailangan dito.

kanya kanya lang naman yan doctor_doom, if you don't like our business, nobody's forcing you to like it. sana na lang when you have or if you already have your own business, wag sana magkaron ng mga taong manlalait ng negosyo mo kahit wala naman silang alam dito. karma karma lang yan.

mahirap paniwalain ang taong sarado ang utak. if you are close-minded, i suggest you wag ka mandamay ng ibang tao. saka ka na magyabang pag ikaw o ang negosyo mo ay nakatulong na na matupad ang mga pangarap ng maraming tao.

[kennster]

kaibigang doctor_doom: hindi po ako umiiwas sa issue, sinasagot ko naman po lahat ng mga binabato nyo samen. hindi ko naman kinakaila na hindi madali ang MLM. kailangan lang po dito ay sipag at tiyaga.

sa aking panawari, ikaw yata kaibigang doctor_doom ang umiiwas sa aking katanungan. sige tatanungin kita uli, sana naman ay paunlakan mo na ako ngayon ng iyong kasagutan.

doctor_doom, pano kung nagtagumpay ka sa MLM, ganyan ka pa din kaya magsalita patungkol sa MLM. sa tingin ko hindi, bagkus malamang ay puro salitang PAMUMURI pa ang sasabihin mo diba. Payo ko lang sayo doctor_doom, PAKATOTOO ka. :D

[brigitts]

doctor_doom


How do you create a higher sales volume? Find a product line that accomplished the following:
1. It is highly consumable. Not just consumable. I have a 2 ounce bottle of skin cream I purchased from an MLM company that I've been using as an after shave balm for almost five years now -- and it's not gone yet. And I still haven't used up the water purifier I bought back in '87 or the gold ring I bought in '89.
2. It lends itself well to transfer buying. In other words, there are a variety of products you would likely have purchased anyway. Most folks usually don't add Ginkgo Biloba or colloidal minerals to their weekly shopping list.
3. Can actually be retailed. They are products that people would actually want to buy even if they weren't part of the income opportunity.
4. Are of genuinely high quality. Genuinely being the key word here.
5. And most importantly of all, they must be priced reasonably!


please, ilang beses ko ba kailangan ulitin na DON'T MISTAKE US FOR ILLEGAL PYRAMIDING COMPANIES which uses products just as a front to claim that they are also a networking company.

1. FLP products are unique and highly consumable which guarantees customer loyalty dahil pagnaubos nila ang food supplements, health and beauty care products, bibili na ulit sila.

2. we have consumer products na kasama sa grocery list ng mga tao like shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant, lotion, liquid soap, etc. therefore it is just like shifiting brands. this is aside from the food supplement products na beneficial to sick or health-conscious people.

3. FLP products can actually be retailed coz a lot of people are buying the products even if they're not interested in the business opportunity that FLP provides. may iba pa nga, na nagquit na sa business part ng FLP because of whatever reasons, but are still using FLP products.

4. FLP products have seven seals of approval from the int'l aloe science council, USFDA, USDA, kosher rating, islamic seal of approval, european economic council and BFAD. these seals guarantees the purity of content and the genuine high quality of our products.

5. we are priced reasonably because when our food supplements are compared with its counterpart synthetic medicines, lalabas na mas mura sa amin per tablet or capsule. and our beauty and health care products are also reasonably priced plus they are beneficial to our health because they are all natural and FLP products uses almost 100% aloe vera barbadensis miller, the best kind among the vegetable aloe vera. hindi gaya ng ibang products na nakikita natin sa market today which claims to have 100% aloe vera, when in truth mga 15% lang dahil extract lang ang ginamit nila so no or really minimal benefits lang ang naibibigay.

[doctor_doom]

Binasa nyo ba ang mga articles? Naintindihan nyo ba ang tunay na sistema ng MLM?

Gaya ng sabi ko, I was making good money sa MLM. Namulat ako sa tunay na sistema ng MLM kaya ako tumiwalag.

Ang hirap sa dalawa kong kaibigang disipulo ng FLP, eh, pinipilit nilang i-justify ang modus operandi ng kanilang sistema. If we stick with the facts, hindi ba tama ang mga issues na binanggit sa dalawang articles na pinost ko?

Katulad nito, hindi ba totoo ito?:

“What I wished more distributors understood was that the calculation to compute your commissions has a number on both sides of the multiplication sign. It's V x P = C. Or, sales Volume times override Percentage equals Commissions. In other words, PRODUCTS times COMP PLAN equals commissions. And it's the product side of the equation that is as, if not more important in determining your income. I don't care if a plan pays 10% down fifty levels -- 500% of zero is zero! Any pay out multiplied by a small amount of volume is going to result in a small commission check. It's the volume side of the equations that has an "unlimited" ceiling. It doesn't matter what the percentages are, how many levels you're paid, or even what type of plan you are working -- you move enough volume through it and you are going to make money!”

Kaya nga, in order to generate volume, kailangan ng recruitment, di ba?:

“Whatever products they offer, MLM companies use essentially the same formula. They sign up sales representatives by offering them the opportunity to go into business for themselves with little or no start-up capital--and to make millions if they're successful. How? Mainly by recruiting other salespeople. Unlike most businesses, an MLM company pays you a commission not only on your sales but also on the sales of all the people you've brought into the network, either directly or indirectly. So if someone you recruit goes out and recruits a bunch of terrific salespeople--and they recruit more terrific salespeople--you stand to make a fortune.”

Pinagdidiinan ninyo ang PRODUCT MOVEMENT. Okey, sabihin mo nga kung mali ito:

Kung walang tao, walang product movement. Kung may tao, may product movement. Kung maraming tao, marami ang product movement. How to get more people? Recruit more people.

Recruitment ang pinag-uusapan sa MLM, di ba? Kaya nga network marketing, eh. You are supposed to build your network. How to build network? Recruit more people, right?:

“Whatever the terms of the deal, the emphasis is always on building the network--and on the stream of earnings that seems to come almost automatically as a result. If you don't have sales experience, no problem. The program usually includes a hefty dose of training in the form of motivational tapes, videos, and seminars, all of which can be purchased from the company. Those motivational items are the company's second product line--and a very high-margin one at that.”

Sinasabi ko lang, bakit hindi ninyo ipakita ang the whole truth sa mga prospect para mapag-aralan nila ang “oportunidad” at makapagdesisyon sila ng maige. Paano ka makapagdesisyon ng tama kung ang impormasyong pinagbabasihan mo ay kulang o di naman kaya, mali? Halimbawa, bakit hindi ninyo ipaliwanag sa mga prospect na nasa product movement ang pera, at ang malaking product movement ay nakakamit lamang sa pagre-recruit? Yan naman ang totoo, eh.

[Jeffreyw]

FLP's MLM system is pyramiding masking as a stair step system.

[kennster]

Originally posted by doctor_doom
Gaya ng sabi ko, I was making good money sa MLM. Namulat ako sa tunay na sistema ng MLM kaya ako tumiwalag.

Geez ur pullin' my leg man! it's obvious that the reason why you hate MLM is because you're a FAILURE/LOSER.. tsk tsk tsk :rolleyes:

Pinagdidiinan ninyo ang PRODUCT MOVEMENT. Okey, sabihin mo nga kung mali ito:

Kung walang tao, walang product movement. Kung may tao, may product movement. Kung maraming tao, marami ang product movement. How to get more people? Recruit more people.

Yes you can recruit, but you can also push/move products by selling them, or prospecting possible users of the products. So it's very clear that if i have a big network of users, i can still have a big cheque without recruiting.. that's the essence of MLM my friend doomie.. please please please, the next time you post, THINK first ok.. :D

[doctor_doom]

Ha ha ha ha ha! Kung naniniwala ka na yayaman ka sa pagbebenta ng produkto, then you’re a bigger fool than I thought. Pag-present ninyo ng oportunidad (daw), gagawa kayo ng mga bilog, di ba? Ano ang nire-represent ng mga bilog na ito? Mga retail customers ba? NO! Mga recruit, right?

Alam na mismo ng MLM promotor ninyo na retail selling is not where they make the money. Kaya nga recruitment ang programa, eh. Sa mga weekly presentations ninyo, sales ba ang pinag-uusapan? Hindi po. Recruitment po ang pinag-uusapan. At kung tatanggalin mo ang hype at kung ano pang bla-bla, ang mensahe ay maliwanag: kung magre-recruit kayo ng marami, makakamit ninyo ang mga kayamanang naka-picture sa mga brochure at projector.

At ano itong “leverage”? Maganda pakinggan. Ano ito? Magre-recruit ka ng tao, tapos tuturuan mo silang gawin ang ginagawa mo. Duplication, di ba? Helping people daw ito. Maaring tama. Pero ano talaga ang kahulugan ng “leverage”? Sa MLM, ang ibig sabihin nito ay magre-recruit ka para sila ang gumawa ng trabaho habang ikaw ay nakarelaks sa duyan. Ito ang sinasabi nila na you will have more time for yourself. Totoo nga ba? Mukhang yata exploitation ang tawag diyan. Yung mga uplines ninyong nakaupo na sa taas, malaki ang kinikita dahil sa trabaho ninyo. Habang pabalik-balik kayo sa meeting hall, habang pinipilit niyong bentahan si Mameng, habang nampo-prospect kayo at tinatanong ang bawa’t humihingang tao kung gusto nilang kumita ng extra money, habang nilalanghap ninyo ang usok ng bus sa pagkaladkad ng mga produkto, si Kumpareng Upline ay nagbibilang ng bonus.

Oo, balang araw kayo ang magiging Kumpareng Upline. Pero kung naiintindihan mo ang patakbo ng sistema, mawawari mong malabong mangyari ito. Time will tell, mga kaibigan. Tipong baguhan pa kayo sa MLM at excited pa kayo sa mga rah-rah speeches ng upline ninyo. Darating ang panahon, reality will set in.

PM na lang kayo when you make your first million. Party tayo sa condo ko.

Good luck.

[Zeratul]

I happened to bump into Roilo Golez shopping at a supermarket in Taguig a few months ago. My God! The jerk has over 20 damn bodyguards, and several flashy Ford Expeditions, and he's just a cabinet secretary! Where the hell does he get the sh!tloads of cash to pay for all that stuff????

Well, from the pro-FLP MLMers in this thread, I guess we know the answer to that by now, don't we????

Roilo Golez = TRAPONG SUPLADO
Roilo Golez = HAKUTING BALADJAY

[Jeffreyw]

They even do some smear jobs against the now popular MLM company in the country: First Quadrant.

[kennster]

Originally posted by doctor_doom
Ha ha ha ha ha! Kung naniniwala ka na yayaman ka sa pagbebenta ng produkto, then you’re a bigger fool than I thought. Pag-present ninyo ng oportunidad (daw), gagawa kayo ng mga bilog, di ba? Ano ang nire-represent ng mga bilog na ito? Mga retail customers ba? NO! Mga recruit, right?

all im saying is that you can still earn even if you concentrate on retailing.. geeez, ur one super negative imbecile dude.. hehehe see a doctor! :D


PM na lang kayo when you make your first million. Party tayo sa condo ko.

Good luck.

Whoah, hehehe di ka lang pala close-minded moron doomie, ur also one heck of a social climber.. "condo" mo? heheh baka barong-barong.. how could you afford a condo eh it seems that you can't even afford standard education for yerself! Man talk about TALK SHITS!! :rolleyes: :D

[brigitts]

doctor_doom

MLM companies use a tool called law of leverage wherein you multiply yourself through other people. yes, malaki ang kikitain mo kung pinaparami mo ang sarili mo sa ibang tao pero i'm just pointing out na MALI KA for saying na MANDATORY ang pagrerecruit sa Forever Living. Sa iba, OO, sa FRIST QUADRANT mandatory. SA AMIN HINDI!!! di ko alam kung makulit ka o sadyang napakahirap lang para sayo i-grasp ang concept.

Pero ano talaga ang kahulugan ng “leverage”? Sa MLM, ang ibig sabihin nito ay magre-recruit ka para sila ang gumawa ng trabaho habang ikaw ay nakarelaks sa duyan. Ito ang sinasabi nila na you will have more time for yourself. Totoo nga ba? Mukhang yata exploitation ang tawag diyan. Yung mga uplines ninyong nakaupo na sa taas, malaki ang kinikita dahil sa trabaho ninyo. Habang pabalik-balik kayo sa meeting hall, habang pinipilit niyong bentahan si Mameng, habang nampo-prospect kayo at tinatanong ang bawa’t humihingang tao kung gusto nilang kumita ng extra money, habang nilalanghap ninyo ang usok ng bus sa pagkaladkad ng mga produkto, si Kumpareng Upline ay nagbibilang ng bonus.

EXPLOITATION??? so ang ginawa ni Ray Kroc ay exploitation??? yung mga crew, crew chiefs, swing managers, store managers ng mcdo, nagpapakahirap magbenta at magbigay serbisyo sa mga tao at customers habang ang pamilya ni Kroc ay nagbibilang ng salaping nakukuha nila DAHIL KUMIKITA sila sa bawat benta ng bawat mcdo sa mundo KAHIT DI NAMAN SILA ang nagtatrabaho at nagbebenta ng hamburger at fries???!!!

ang may ari ng ANDOKS at BALIWAG, guilty rin ng EXPLOITATION dahil may cut/kita/benta/commission/royalty income sila sa bawat franchise ng andoks at baliwag??? di naman sila ang nagpapa-usok sa manok at baboy, di sila ang nagbebenta pero kumikita sila???!!!

ganyan ang utak ng karamihan...ng mahihirap. galit kayo sa totoong mayayaman, people who let their money work for them and not the other way around. feeling niyo, panggagamit at exploitation na yon when in fact, it's just a way or means to do business and earn a living. pano nanloko ng tao ang FLP, eh kung ang empleyado nga ng mcdo, andoks at baliwag maliit lang sinusweldo, pero di mo tinitira ang may-ari, eh sa forever living, kung ano ang sipag at tiyaga ng tao, may katapat na bunga.

matanong ko nga, have you read rich dad poor dad? ba't napakihirap para sayo i-grasp ang concept ng business, one of which is MLM, one of which is FLP?

mantira ka ng ibang kompanya na hindi naman legal, may recruitment fee, pera lang ang pinapaikot sa taas, mamamatay pag walang recruit, pyramid, binary system at gumagamit ng products para lang maging front para KUNWARI network marketing company sila. WAG KAMI TIRAHIN MO. hindi kami ganon.

ngayon kung talagang feel mo lang manira, eh good luck... karma karma lang yan.


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Originally posted by doctor_doom
Ha ha ha ha ha! Kung naniniwala ka na yayaman ka sa pagbebenta ng produkto, then you’re a bigger fool than I thought. Pag-present ninyo ng oportunidad (daw), gagawa kayo ng mga bilog, di ba? Ano ang nire-represent ng mga bilog na ito? Mga retail customers ba? NO! Mga recruit, right?
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posted by kennster:

all im saying is that you can still earn even if you concentrate on retailing.. geeez, ur one super negative imbecile dude.. hehehe see a doctor!

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mukhang ikaw ang biggest fool doctor_doom. simple lang ang concept, di mo magets. nasabihan ka na tuloy... hehehehe... next time, dahan dahan sa hirit, napapahiya ka tuloy eh.... =)

[kennster]

matanong ko nga, have you read rich dad poor dad?

hehehe no use asking doctor_doom that.. it's quite obvious naman that doctor_doom, or should we call him doomie, is one hopeless imbecile and as far as i know, an imbecile has no comprehension.. am i right doomie? :D

can't wait for ur next post doomie, im sure u have LOTSA negative things to say about MLM/FLP again, but you know what.. i can read your moves very clearly doomie.. the reason why you keep on bashing MLM and FLP in particular is because you don't want to see other people succeed in MLM/FLP coz you will just feel more sorry about your FAILURE/LOSER self.. am i right or am right doctor_doom? :rolleyes: :D

[doctor_doom]

Careful, Kaibigang kennster, lumalabas ang tunay na kulay mo. Sige ka, mapapalo ka ng mommy mo, tapos isusumbong ka pa sa upline mo.

It is common para sa mga MLM devotees ang bansagan ng “failure” or “loser” those who are critical about their practices.

At least, I care enough to speak out when I see something wrong. Kayong mga nasa MLM, sana nga yumaman kayo tulad ng pinapakita ng mga promotor sa presentation nila. Ang akin lang, bakit di ninyo bigyan ang prospect ng pagkakataong gumawa ng tamang desisyon base sa impormasyong tama na walang labis at walang kulang. Ang hirap sa sistema ninyo, puro half-truths, labis, at kulang ang impormasyong binibigay ninyo.

Kaibigang brigitts, hindi komo nakabasa ka ng librong Kiyosaki, eh, marunong ka na tungkol sa business. Kung nakakaintindi ka ng business, dapat alam mo ang tungkol sa mga market dynamics na nakakaapekto sa negosyo. At kung naiintindihan mo ang takbo ng market dynamics, alam mo na ang upline at downline mo ay kakumpitensiya mo, at alam mo rin na may lamang katotohanan ang mga isyung tinalakay ko rito.

By the way, common para sa mga MLM ang sabihing hindi mandatory ang recruitment. Hindi nga mandatory, pero it is a requirement kung gusto mong kumita ng malaki. Harapin natin ang katotohanan. Kung hindi recruitment ang pinapahayag ng sistema at presentation ninyo, dapat dalawa lang ang bilog: ang bilog na recruit at ang bilog na customer, at ang tinuturo sa inyo ay ang kung papaano ninyo mabebenta ang isang boteng shampoo sa isang customer. Pero hindi, eh. Ang pinaguusapan ay kung sino ang pwedeng i-recruit, paano mag-prospecting at kung papaano palaguin ang grupo. Pwede ba, ano ang ibig sabihin ng “network” sa network marketing? A group of people that you recruit, correct? Ano ang kahulugan ng “multi-level” sa multi-level marketing? Na ang ni-recruit mo ay may ni-recruit, na may ni-recruit, etc. Please. Kung hindi requirement ang recruitment, eh, di tanggalin ninyo ang “network” at “multi-level” at palitan ninyo ng “sales”.

Common ang kasabihan sa MLM na “Build your success on the success of others”. The truth is, you are building your success sa failures ng iba. Mali ba ako? Ano ang dropout rate ng programa ninyo? 80%? 85%? Oh, that’s right. Hindi nyo alam. Wala pala kayong disclosures. At si Ray Kroc? At least he helped create millions of real businesses, who in turn created millions of real honest to goodness paying jobs. Ang MLM? It helped create a few millionaires who made money from the millions who got in and failed. Wrong? 80% dropouts. You do the math. Matatalino naman kayo, eh.

Kaya nga bilog ang ginagamit sa pag-present ng sistema. The whole program is designed pala bilugin ang ulo ng mga prospect.

Bakit ninyo pinipilit iwasan ang mga issues? Materyalismo, non-disclosures, non-disclaimers, walang caveat emptor, quotas, hakot-recruit pracrices, high-pressure tactics, ang mga optional but strongly recommended na motivational books, tapes at seminars na binibenta ng MLM promotor, misinformation, disinformation etc. etc. etc. Yan ang mga issues.

[doctor_doom]

Nga pala, ano ang comment ninyo sa pinost ni Kaibigang Zeratul at Kaibigang Jeffreyw?

Wala? Paano, totoo kasi.

[Jeffreyw]

I'm with First Quadrant (i'm in hiatus, ang hirap mag MLM), and i'm a first hand witness of FLP's smear job campaign against First Quadrant.


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[kennster]

IN FOREVER LIVING:
To be a member, just sign-up, pay SIX PESOS for the form, and THATS IT UR A MEMBER, and at the same time you'll have a 30% discount on all products. You can also purchase products at wholesale price, sell it at retail. No FEES whatsoever. Remember, The COMBO PAK is an option, you dont have to buy it to be a member. :)

IN FIRST QUADRANT:
To be a member, you need to shell out a whopping P8,880 and in return, you get products worth P2,000.. what the? where's the remaining P6,880.. hmmm smells fishy. :rolleyes:

IN FOREVER LIVING:
I could recruit a THOUSAND people and not earn a single peso until someone buys a product. there is NO RECRUITMENT COMMISSION IN FLP. PURE AND SIMPLE. Your salary depends on the PRODUCTS you and your NETWORK move. :)

IN FIRST QUADRANT:
You need to recruit people willing to shell out P8,880 so you could earn a P1,000 recruitement fee per head, and if you recruit by pair, u get a P1,500 bonus. I think the products are just a lame excuse here. :rolleyes:

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this comparison speaks for itself as to which company is legit and which one is not.. :)

[kennster]

..la ***, miss ko lang c doomie! :lol:

[theSLASHER]

My my! This is really bad for MultiLevel Marketing Companies. So many bad experiences. I've joined an MLM company recently. I hope this one is not a scam! They require no investment and they teach people how to have a business with your P1. They say that the investment that matters most is yourself and not the money.

I'm still looking for what makes this Company different from other Networking companies.

[thor75]

doctor_doom rules! mabuhay ka!


FLP sucks!

[razzp]

Originally posted by doctor_doom
an article written by economic and business journalist, Leonard W. Clements

MLM PRODUCTS: SHOULDN’T WE BE ASHAMED?

Once upon a time, one of the greatest bragging rights of most all network marketers was the superiority of our products. The theory goes: MLM operations don't have huge advertising and marketing budgets, so they can afford to pump a lot more dollars into developing their products. They also, again in theory, are afforded a greater margin thus lower priced products than comparable items sold through conventional means.

So much for that theory.

In reality, there is rampant inflation in this industry. Product pricing is spiraling out of control, and has for most of the decade. This is likely due to the massive influx of MLM opportunities into an already over saturated market. As the existing distributor pool continues to be spread thinner and thinner, most companies have chosen to compete for distributors by juicing up the numbers in their compensation plans. The bigger the pay out, the more distributors they will attract. One need only peruse any of the MLM trade publications and it will become glaringly obvious that the vast majority of MLM programs today compete by comparing the theoretic pay outs of their comp plans. And, sure enough, prospective distributors do migrate towards the program that promises the greatest income. After all, we aren't doing this for our health. Are we?

So, as the percentage of each product sale that goes towards commissions increases, so must the margin between the company cost and wholesale. Thus, the wholesale and retail price of the product increases as well. And it's been steadily increasing for fifty years, and skyrocketing the last five. Just take a look at the first MLM compensation plan back in 1945. It paid 3% down one generation! Most plans back in the 60's paid overrides of around 15-20% down four or five generations. During the 80's total pay outs of around 40% were common. I remember designing a unilevel plan back in 1991 that paid 7% down seven levels (49% maximum pay out) and being concerned that the 35-40% it would actually pay was too much. Today, that plan would be laughed at. Most compensation plans have theoretic maximum pay outs of 60-75% or more, and many actually pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 45-60%.

The result is an 8 ounce bottle of shampoo with a suggested retail price of $25.00! Nine to twelve dollars wholesale for shampoo is common place in this industry today. Of course, they all try to justify their pricing with the old "superior quality" routine. Hey, for $25.00 the stuff better not only clean my hair, it better soak into my brain and make me smarter. Or, how about a 1.5 ounce candy bar for $2.20 -- wholesale! One Halloween and, boom, you're wiped out. Or, how about a box of laundry detergent for $49.00? Oh, but it's "concentrated" they'll tell you. For that price, it better be so concentrated that not even light can escape from the box!
All of the above are real examples. To only a slightly lesser degree, the examples are endless. And we should be ashamed.

Not only are the prices of most MLM products getting ridiculous, so are the types of products. I mean, how many prepaid calling card companies do we need? Several companies now have gone so far as to not even offer a product. Instead they provide you with the funds to purchase a wide array of products and services from third-party, non-related vendors (usually a catalog company of some kind). They then claim to be offering "thousands" of products and services. Uh uh. They are actually selling nothing but the opportunity to make money. The travel industry has been inundated with quasi-travel agents trying to get discounts by flashing laminated "independent outside travel agent" cards. The MLM industry was quick to jump into the foray in a big way. After all, imagine how much commission you could pay out (and profit you could make) by selling a $4.95 laminated card for $300-$500 per year! Yes, there are some legitimate travel deals out there that do offer a bona fide service, and a few are network marketed. A few. Most, however, are nothing more than "card mills." Every month it seems we have some new gimmicky miracle product on the market. A few companies are, once again, offering a smoking cure (this is a fad that comes and goes every few years). Of course, if the product actually worked it would be front page news all over the world, the pharmaceutical industry would surely be trying to classify it as a drug, and the tobacco industry would be spending billions to debunk it.

Another company is selling a single product -- an aphrodisiac based on green oats. This is the same ingredient that was the basis for a short lived fad back in the late 80's, before the media began to report that it didn't really work on men and gave many women headaches (which, of course, kind of defeats the whole purpose of the product).

Most recently there have been a wave of "fat sponge" products based on ground up crustacean shells. This ingredient was previously used to soak up oil spills and as an ingredient in hair conditioners. Very few formal studies have been done (that I know of, and I looked hard) on the long term results of ingesting this stuff in the body. In this case, only time will tell if we have another aminophyllin on our hands, which was an asthma medication found to reduce thigh circumference when applied regularly to the skin. Several MLM companies had heated battles over the rights to aminophyllin a couple year ago -- which dissolved about the same time that many woman began reporting adverse reactions to the product.

One MLM company has devoted itself almost entirely to ridding us of parasites in our bodies. Their cassette tape which describes the benefits of their product is certainly compelling and moves a lot of product, I'm sure. Curiously, though, I've yet to speak to a single user of this product (and I've spoken with several) who didn't have some variation of an "I passed an eight inch tape worm" story. I've even heard about one woman who claims she rubbed the product on her arm and eventually induced parasites to emerge from her skin! I mean, come on people.

Today, with the success of such tapes and the "parasite tape" and the "Dead Doctors tape" it was inevitable that more MLM companies would start to ask, "What kind of tape can we produce that will scare the hell out of people?" The result (and it's only the beginning, folks) is a new product that will rid you of microscopic arachnids (spiders) in your bed. Something this companies tape claims we all have! In fact, one part of the tape I listened to the doctor/speaker went so far as to claim that the feces from these little critters can account for "up to 10% of the total weight of your pillow!"

If the Cold War hadn't ended, there would undoubtedly be some MLM company right now distributing tapes describing the great threat of Soviet nuclear weapons and the horrific effects of radiation poisoning -- and the need to purchase their radiation testing product and/or bomb shelters. And I'm only exaggerating slightly.
Probably the most ridiculous MLM product I've seen yet was a set of shoe insoles that apply accupressure to key points on the bottom of your foot. This product was then suppose to make you healthier and even cure diseases.

It's funny, in a strange sort of way, that for decades we have all been taught, over and over and over, to "duplicate what works... don't reinvent the wheel... find out what your successful upline is doing and do the same thing." Then, as soon as these same people go out and try to start their own MLM company, what's the first thing they do? They try to come up with some gimmicky compensation plan no one has ever tried before and look for a product niche no one else is currently in! Folks, there is a fifty year history to network marketing. There is half a century of precedent to go by to help us determine what works in this business and what does not. And for fifty years, tangible, consumable products have worked and almost, but not quite, everything else has failed! Try to come up with a list of all the current MLM companies that do not offer tangible, consumable products (i.e. skin & hair care, nutritional, home care, automotive, personal care, foods, etc.) that are at least three years old. I came up with fourteen (such as Primamerica, Discover Toys, Prepaid Legal, Jewelway, Excel, etc.). Just fourteen. Out of thousands and thousands of companies over the last fifty years. Fourteen! And don't put NSA on your list. Over half their sales today is a nutritional drink. Quorum? No, they also added consumables to their line, as did Nikken and The People's Network. Companies such as Personal Wealth Systems and American Benefits Plus tried to convert to a consumable product line just to survive (the former eventually merged with a product company, the latter became KaloVita, which also merged with a product company). Even Destiny Telecom won't be eligible for the list in a couple years -- they just added consumables to their line!

Personally, I believe that most MLM companies out there today were started by a group of people, usually ex-distributors, sitting around a table with the idea that they can make a lot of money by running their own MLM operation and asking the question, "Now, what can we sell?" The result is a hodgepodge of token products whipped up simply to support an MLM compensation plan. Think about it. Were there really hundreds of people out there who were into the pycnogenol/DHEA/Cats Claw/Colloidal Silver business who all decided to start an MLM company right about the same time? Come on. (To their credit, at least they were following the "duplicate what works" theory). Or, how about all these "lead generation" deals where you spend $100.00 per month for 500 names of "opportunity seekers" (which likely cost the company less than ten bucks). Oh, they claim they are generating their own leads with their own ads, but if they even get 1,000 people to join they are going to have to come up with half-a-million leads per month! Yes, some such services, such as Ad-Net and Pro-Step do offer a service of value, but most are simply using "leads" as an excuse to exchange cash.

These are all MLM programs for the sake of an MLM program. So many such companies today offer mundane, token products with basic formulations designed to keep production cost to a minimum and margins high -- so they can pay out "the most lucrative compensation plan in the industry." And their products are still twice the price of the stores!

What I wished more distributors understood was that the calculation to compute your commissions has a number on both sides of the multiplication sign. It's V x P = C. Or, sales Volume times override Percentage equals Commissions. In other words, PRODUCTS times COMP PLAN equals commissions. And it's the product side of the equation that is as, if not more important in determining your income. I don't care if a plan pays 10% down fifty levels -- 500% of zero is zero! Any pay out multiplied by a small amount of volume is going to result in a small commission check. It's the volume side of the equations that has an "unlimited" ceiling. It doesn't matter what the percentages are, how many levels you're paid, or even what type of plan you are working -- you move enough volume through it and you are going to make money!

The point here is that when you price your products outrageously high to accommodate a higher pay out, guess what happens. The percent side goes up, that's true. But the volume side goes down. You don't have to be an economics professor to figure that out. It's tough to move a lot of $25.00 bottles of shampoo. On the other hand, if more companies would keep there pricing in line, even if it meant reducing the percentages in the comp plan, income might actually increase! Why? Because 6% of $100.00 is more than 10% of $40.00. Not only that but we might actually reduce the number of MLM company failures at the same time. Let's take another look at our equation: V x P = C. Now let's add another variable called CP, or Company Profit. Now, raise P and V goes down, C stays the same (at best) -- and CP goes down as well. Not good. Now, lower P, raise V, C stays the same (at least) -- and CP goes UP! In fact, it's even possible that the company could end up paying more commissions to the field -- and increase their profit at the same time. Imagine that. Increasing profit while increasing an expense! Increased sales volume is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

And, by the way, if you can find a way to increase P and increase V, C and CP, then contact magician David Copperfield as soon as possible. He's looking for new material.

How do you create a higher sales volume? Find a product line that accomplished the following:
1. It is highly consumable. Not just consumable. I have a 2 ounce bottle of skin cream I purchased from an MLM company that I've been using as an after shave balm for almost five years now -- and it's not gone yet. And I still haven't used up the water purifier I bought back in '87 or the gold ring I bought in '89.
2. It lends itself well to transfer buying. In other words, there are a variety of products you would likely have purchased anyway. Most folks usually don't add Ginkgo Biloba or colloidal minerals to their weekly shopping list.
3. Can actually be retailed. They are products that people would actually want to buy even if they weren't part of the income opportunity.
4. Are of genuinely high quality. Genuinely being the key word here.
5. And most importantly of all, they must be priced reasonably!

All compensation plans have a certain personal volume that must be met each month to qualify for commissions. Most distributors tend to do what ever the minimum volume that is required of them. The whole idea behind numbers 1 through 4 above is to get the distributor to purchase more than they have to. And you just can't do that if you fail at number 5. Paying $29.00 for a $12.00 bottle of vitamins in not transfer buying, even if you would have purchased vitamins anyway. And you certainly can't mark up those vitamins even higher and retail them.

Please understand that this is not a condemnation of all network marketing companies. There are a few that have held there pricing to within reason, maintained their quality, and still have very competitive compensation plans, although they may not look as good on paper percentage wise.

But then, I pay my bills with dollars, not percentages.

This article holds water. It tells the truth in many respects. But if we consider Forever Living Products, I can't say that its premise applies to the company's products.

The number of seal of approvals justify the company's claims for its products. It's pricing is comparative to some of the health products stores like Healthy Options and GNC.

FYI there is the so called International Aloe Science Council (http://www.iasc.org/) that does scientific reasearch on the many medicinal properties of aloe vera. We don't hear about Banaba or Ampalaya science council out there, do we? FLP is the first aloe company to be given a seal of approval from that council.

If you have any doubts on aloe barbadensis miller, just turn on your TV and watch the ad of Tide Ultra. The funny thing is that product claims that it has aloe vera even if the aloe component is very minute to render effective result. We don't know if that component is indeed aloe or just another synthetic derivative of an important aloe molecule. But the said ad brags about its aloe content. There is something about aloe indeed.

It's actually FLP's fault to monopolize the growing of the plant. More than 50% of aloe barbadensis miller are grown in FLP plantations. It's also its fault that there are aloe products in the market that has dubious formulations that tarnish the reputation of aloe. FLP sucks!:lol:


Jeffreyw: Di lang po FLP ang nagsasabi na di legit business nyo. ;)

[stars01]

naku, thanks sa mga reposted articles na nabasa ko sa itaas, i relaized that relying on MLM will not make you rich overnight. i realized na totoo yung sinabi ng isang article sa itaas, although some people become millionaires, majority of those below them fail to realize their dreams. muntik na kong sumali sa MLM, pero i had second thoughts about it... mainly because tamad ako... di pala para sa akin to. hehe

[EQMI]

Ok sakin ang mga Legit MLM or any business opportunity wag *** pyramiding or binary tulad ng FQ(FQ pyramding). Mahirap talaga yumaman. Para sa gustong yumaman pero dami naman reklamo at ka artihan sa buhay eh i suggest jan n *** kayo sa present job nyo at pumasok ka jan 9-5pm for the rest of your productive life at magdunungdunungan na *** sa inuman pero pag uwi eh di rin masolutionan ang sariling problema financially.


Excuses are the nails used to build a house of failure.
Don Wilder

[kablutz]

kamusta na ang forever living? may pexers ba na sumali sa company na to? andyan pa rin ba si jun kintanar? :)

[pristonpiker]

kamusta naman ang forever living? forever "libing" na ba?? hihihi joke.. bumalik si jun kintanar dito diba.. member nga rin pala toh ng DSAP

[hooyanghooya]

forever libing? hahaha.. funny...

[gregpacsis84]

i recently joined mlm ng hirap maghanap ng downline. please help naman. 2 months na me wala pa me downline kasi naman napajoin lang ako dahil sa promise na yong upline ang maghahanap ng downline e ngayon nagfofollow up ng downline. haaayy