who would you hire? DLSU, UP, AdMU, UST, UA&P and etc??

[DREK]

Just wondering... obviously, you people are already working. I just want to know if, given a chance to hire or work with someone, who would you choose?? DLSU, UP, AdMU, UST, UA&P and etc.? WHY??

Hope your answers are well justified. please don't be bias - you know - the alma mater thing:D

[CaRaMBa]

DREK, I'm wondering, what's your purpose for asking this question? Honestly, prepare yourself, some people will be appalled that you asked this question.

For PinoyExchange, we don't hire based on the school. That's the lamest reason for a company to hire someone. Here, we hire people because they're good at what they do and they're full of ideas.

[DREK]

CaRaMBa, nothing really! :spinhalo: There are no hidden "intentions" for this question. I'm just curious as to how companies or working people view these graduates from the said universities. Moreover, i just want to know their SPECIFIC feedbacks/reasons for choosing a particular school.:smokewink:

[tofi]

to answer the question - it is NONE OF THE ABOVE because it's upon the person his ideas, his attitude and his capability to do work. :)

[king]

ATENEO, obviously. HEHEHEH! Oist people, post niya schools niyo! WAG NGA LANG - ahem - they dont deserve it. JOKE!

[Apo_Inso]

Guzman,Samson,AMACC,UE,PLM,TUP,MAPUA,PUP,PBMIT,UB,SLU...
The technical movers of the electronics,electrical,computer and telecommunication industry..
And it shows, number 1 export is inthe Electronics industry...
They dont produce lawyers that becomes politics that corrupt the government..

Ahhh... Kaya pala, Karamihan ng mga lawyers ay nakupo sa mga elite schools kuno... eh bakit ganun,edi dapat effective ang ating mga batas...
KAYA PALA EHH>..
To break even...

[KuyaDanny]

Before posting here, please read and understand the point being made in the thread below:

Sinong pinakamabaho ang utot - ADMU, DLSU, UP, UST? (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=21227)

[DREK]

kuya danny: i'm not starting a fight here. this thread is just asking the pexers their preference and reasons for choosing a particular graduate from the said universities (obviously not limited to 5!) i expect the responses to be mature since i'm directing the question to the working people. :D

[Apo_Inso]

Hindi siguro nasusulat ang ganitong mga umento kapag hindi naramdaman o di kaya naman ay naranasan.
Naranasan niyo naba Kuya Danny kung papaano itabi o itambak sa isang gilid ang iyong resume dahil lamang galing kayo sa isang Universidad o kolehiyo sa isang probinsiya kahit hindi pa alam ang niloloob ng resume?
Ito ang isang masakit na katotohanan.
Ang diskriminasyon sa eskwelahan...sa pinanggalingan...
Sa pag-akyat sa pwesto kahit na ginagawa mo na ang iyong trabaho 24/7. Ang masakit pa ay yung bang alam mong ginagamit ka na lang..
Mayroon po ba kayong nakita na CEO na galing sa ....<:spike:?>
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[Apo_Inso]

I am letting my mind speak....
and listening massively on Smashing Pumpkins' ZERO..
"we could grow a house, we could build a tree"

[SUX2BU]

I believe the thread is conforming to fact, biting but true. Choosing a work applicant based on where he graduated from is one of those stark realities in Philippine employment. There will always be biases and biased processes. I was a witness to this when I was still working as a financial analyst at one of the top foreign banks in the Philippines. There they weed out applicants not coming from UP, UST, Ateneo, and La Salle. Don't tell me this is not true, and you'll automatically grow yourself a pus.

So let's not be hypocrites here.

[Lolita]

Companies, as much as possible, want to hire people who graduated from these top universities such as DLSU, Ateneo or UP. As much as possible, yun ang choice nila.

If you were the HR Personnel and you were to choose between an average student from DLSU and an average student who graduated from a provincial college, who would you choose? Ganyan talaga ang buhay. May laban ka lang kung maganda ang grades and credentials mo.

So kung di ka galing sa isa sa mga top universities, wow them with your grades and extra-curricular activities. :)

[KuyaDanny]

OK, I see where people are coming from. I would like to put up some of these statements up for consideration:

1 When your application is rejected, are you typically informed of the reason? What words are being used? That you "did not go to the right school?" That "your school is not good enough?" Because if you have actually heard or read the words directed at you, I would like to know which companies actually said or wrote them.

I have looked for jobs in the past, and I have not always been accepted by the companies to which I applied. But I have never received an explicit a reason as this. Have times changed now?

2 SUX2BU states he is a witness to the school-based hiring practices of one company. Fair enough. So the practice exists - in at least one company. Before we conclude that this is the practice in the entire country, or even the majority of our employers, I suggest we gather enough observations and let our readers conclude for themselves.

3 The question proposed in the original post is "who would you choose?" and not necessarily "who are other companies choosing?" If you are trying to answer the second question, I think there are other threads for that.

[KuyaDanny]

I forgot to answer the question. Sorry.

In our own business, we hire only people with experience. We do not hire fresh graduates because we do not have the money or time to train young people in the basic work skills. The nice thing about this policy is that generally, our applicants have already learned the art of putting their educational qualifications at the end of their resumes, instead of in the beginning. That means we don't even get to know where they went to school until after we have read about their experience. Looking back, I don't think we have hired anybody from the five schools mentioned in this thread's title, in the last five years.

The last fellow we hired was an Industrial Engineering graduate from PUP, who worked six months in a garment factory before getting laid off. Prior to him, we hired two accounting people. I don't even remember where they went to school. It doesn't matter to me anymore, but if any of you guys are interested, let me know and I'll look up their files.

[DREK]

Well . . . at least 4 out of 13 people answered the question correctly :D Stick to the question please;)

[CaRaMBa]

Well . . . at least 4 out of 13 people answered the question correctly :D Stick to the question please :)

DREK, so there is a "correct" answer? And what is the correct answer? Why is it the right answer?

[DREK]

Caramba: Huh??? Let's see, Kuya Danny, Apo_inso, king and tofi got the correct answers 'cuz obviously they answered the question directly :p Quite simple really: your choice + your reasons for choosing that choice =correctly and directly addressing the question, Get?:cool:

[tr|n|ty]

hafta agree with SUX2BU, it's really a given in the Philippines. It's part of our culture. It's a lot like how a lot of companies in the States hire mostly Asians or Whites over Blacks and Latinos. The Philippines does not have a lot of racial diversity so their way of "discriminating" people is by school or social status. We may act like we don't have certain biases and prejudices but fact is, we want people who are from name-brand schools or at least, has the same background like we do. We are hypocrites to believe that everybody in this world is created equal..no matter if you graduate from UP, Ateneo or DLSU or Feati or PUP or Laguna State Colleges(if there's such a thing) you will get that job ideal. Bottomline, most top companies(if not all) will hire grads from UP, Ateneo or DLSU especially on highly technical and managerial training positions. Given the company does hire from other schools outside the triumverate, more often than not they are given non-consequential telemarketing, clerk work or US Techsupport coupled with insane hour jobs. don't you think a college degree can get you more than talking on the phone and helping out idi0ts figure out their software on their laptop? high school grads here in the US get those jobs.

[SUX2BU]

Mister KuyaDanny, did I say that this is the practice in the entire country? :rolleyes:

I used to be part of that stupid bank who loves weeding out appicants not coming the "top universities". We were given the right to choose our peers. The initial question was always: "Where did he graduate from?". The thought was fun (for them stupid a s s h o l e s), but it was bad. I ended up fighting for those applicants who graduated from St. Louis University, PUP, FEU, UE et cetera. et cetera, but it was futile because ants are always eaten by anteaters. It was really terrible. The scheming culture was not bearable, but it took me a year to give in. I was their thorn, and this made me hold on.

And now, it is just that there are hypocrites who try to make other people feel good about themselves even if the reality is already shedding its stinky skin. There are biases, biased processes, and stupid preferences. You may not be doing it, but there are people who enjoy doing it --- uh, probably more people than what you think.

[nada]

a seemingly simple question has elicited opposing views and comments. clearly the most interesting thread in a long while. this is what the working Filipino should be all about.

this practice of hiring or eliminating applicants by virtue of their having studied in certain schools is prevalent in the country. in an ad that our company had put out recently, there was a line that says "...preferably graduates from reputable schools." this puts the majority of the applicants at a disadvantage. and they come mostly from poor families who were scholars and hard-pressed to land a job to be able to put food on the table.

it's good to hear about companies who hire people based solely on their qualifications. but this is the exception rather than the rule. it's a sad fact but it's true.

[aticus]

Actually, KD, I know it's sad, but it IS true that a lot of companies hire according to school.

I have been scanning job wanted ads for the last 6 years (gives me something to do, and it's good to see the trends in the job market), and I have literally seen ads with the following wording "Only applicants from Ateneo, UP or La Salle need apply" on more than one occasion. I have also personally spoken to at least three HR managers from top firms, and they all admit to me that they have a hiring bias for these three schools. Some of the largest companies here specifically only invite graduates from these schools, or only participate in job fairs in these three schools. I used to be a job placement rep for our school, and some companies even proudly proclaim they're only interested in graduates from my school, or from the other "top" schools.

Even a former teacher of mine told me his personal account of applying for a job, waiting in line for an hour, only to be "discovered" by the interviewer to be a graduate of UP. He was then ushered AHEAD of about 15 people in line so that he could be immediately interviewed. When asked why, the interview said "Eh, kung alam lang namin na taga-UP ka eh, di dapat kanina ka pa namin na-interview..."

It's very, very sad, but this kind of discrimination DOES exist in the Philippines. I mean, if it didn't, then I don't think half as many students would try so hard to get into these schools in the first place. I'm not entirely satisfied that my old school is as good as it claims to be, but I do know that it is perceived to be, and that seems to make a world of difference in terms of getting hired.

I'm praying that one day all employers will be enlightened enough to look beyond school affiliations and hire only according to work experience and skills, but I think that day hasn't yet arrived.

[Leigh]

I really like what nada posted and i can't help but make a comment:

You are right when you said that the line "...preferably graduates from reputable schools" are all over the newspapers and the different online job sites, i believe it shouldn't be a hindrance to applicants.

In the office i work now, i am 100% sure that they don't discriminate people from different schools, same with our old company (for the record, both are Start-ups)

Personally, if ever i was to hire anybody, the school won't be a big deal, i have dealt with people who graduated with ADMU, DLSU,UP, PLM, AMA, STI, CSB, Mapua...( i can't name all sorry) and basta hindi irresponsible, anybody is great for me! :)

[VINCEsanity]

who would you hire? DLSU, UP, AdMU, UST, UA&P and etc??


kawawa naman kaminh mahihirap na nanggaling sa simpleng buhay. kumakain ng 3 beses sa isang araw. kasama meryenda :) :D :D
pease pexer :) im from FEU.

oo nga, bakit kailangang reputable school. lugi kami :)

[Rambus]

Now that people here are enlightened enough to acknowledge that such an "imperfect" and "undesirable" situation exists, I propose to return to the original question. Someday I think many of these PExers will be making the hiring and selection decisions, if not the policies. How much weight are you going to give to an applicant's school? Will it matter to you?

[DREK]

Thank you Rambus for reminding them about the question:) Let's stop the sermons and backtrack a little please - like answer the question directly :rolleyes:

[aticus]

Well, if people haven't already surmised by now, I certainly won't hire according to school. I think college is really a waste of time anyway, and the only true measure of worth is how you do at work. I'd go for people with solid experience, a go-getter attitude, and traits like resourcefulness, responsibility and honesty. If I find someone like this, I'm hiring him/her regardless of school (or lack thereof, since I'm not above hiring high school grads that fit the bill...).

[JDELEON]

My dad was a CEO for one of the bigger companies. When I was applying for college, he told me that top firms had hiring biases. Anecdotally, he talked about how HR would automatically sort resumes into four piles, Ateneo, UP, DLSU, and others.

Is the question assuming that the hiring decision was left to me, and I was forced to make a blind decision, that is deciding based solely on the resumes and without interviewing the candidates? In those circumstances, and again assuming the candidates were equally qualified on paper, I would decide based on school stereotypes and the match for the job.

Overall, the initial vote would go to the Atenean. Having come from the school, I am familiar with it. Hiring that person would eliminate a number of unknowns. Also, there would be a basis for rapport and camaraderie on which to build our professional relationship.

If the job required a strong affinity with the mass market, or required intense interaction with government bureacracy and agencies, I might give the job to the UP Grad. Having taken half a Master's degree there, I will be working with familiar territory.

However, if the job required a particular technology focus, I might consider the La Sallite.

Is this biased? Is it unfair? Yes.
Given more information would I make a different decision? Yes.
Am I stereotyping? Yes.
Is that a bad thing? No.

Stereotypes are mental short-cuts that facilitate decision making in the absence of complete knowledge. This human faculty is an evolutionary necessity. However, this never precludes looking for the facts.

Hope that helps.

May Angels smile upon you,
Joe
ps. If the person was from Xavier, then Ateneo, he would automatically be the most qualified. =P

[SUX2BU]

You see, Mister KuyaDanny? This is reality spitting in our faces left and right, so you should not blind us with your "so the practice exists - in at least one company." I really hate people covering things up just to make other people feel good.

[aticus]

On a related note, the best damn IT person I know graduated from Mapua. She's the no.1 student in the Ateneo MS IT program, and she's working in Silicon Valley.

Some of the most brilliant computer programmers I know graduated from non-computer courses (architecture, philosophy, social science) from non-"elite" schools. Thus the reason I don't discriminate is because I know what these people are capable of.

[KuyaDanny]

Mister SUX2BU:

1) Who has been blinded by my statement? Is it incorrect?

2) Are you able to read my intentions now? Please tell me how I can acquire such powers, because I want to be able to read yours.

3) Just as much as you wish to reveal biased recruitment practices which exist in this country, I would like to point out that another side also exists - in at least one company. I would like our readers to discover for themselves what the reality is.

4) I am willing to be disproved. But please do so in another thread and be fair to our members by preferably putting up some numbers to support your statements. Help us distinguish between practices (whether authorized or unauthorized) and gut reactions of disappointed or disgruntled job applicants who have been rejected.

[orcom_dude]

Hmm, from the list of schools that you mentioned (and based on a not-so-serious way of hiring), I would hire a graduate of:


Ateneo: for their excellent communications skills.

La Salle: for their power dressing skills.

UA&P: for their communication and power dressing skills.

UP: for their mental skills and so much more (hehe...biased).

I hope this thread won't start any of those senseless school bashing discussions...

Let's put it this way... WE'RE ALL GOOD! *okay*

[SUX2BU]

Mister SUX2BU:

1) Who has been blinded by my statement? Is it incorrect?

2) Are you able to read my intentions now? Please tell me how I can acquire such powers, because I want to be able to read yours.

3) Just as much as you wish to reveal biased recruitment practices which exist in this country, I would like to point out that another side also exists - in at least one company. I would like our readers to discover for themselves what the reality is.

4) I am willing to be disproved. But please do so in another thread and be fair to our members by preferably putting up some numbers to support your statements. Help us distinguish between practices (whether authorized or unauthorized) and gut reactions of disappointed or disgruntled job applicants who have been rejected.


Fine!

[akoymakulit]

Originally posted by KuyaDanny
Mister SUX2BU:

1) Who has been blinded by my statement? Is it incorrect?

2) Are you able to read my intentions now? Please tell me how I can acquire such powers, because I want to be able to read yours.

3) Just as much as you wish to reveal biased recruitment practices which exist in this country, I would like to point out that another side also exists - in at least one company. I would like our readers to discover for themselves what the reality is.

4) I am willing to be disproved. But please do so in another thread and be fair to our members by preferably putting up some numbers to support your statements. Help us distinguish between practices (whether authorized or unauthorized) and gut reactions of disappointed or disgruntled job applicants who have been rejected.

ano ba naman tong moderator na to? nangaaway! tsk tsk tsk. di ka pala pwedeng referee sa boxing. bwahahahaha!

[yellowbumblebee]

There are really many companies that segregate application forms, and i've known that even before i graduated from College but we can't generalize.

Before they were more particular about the schools. Recently, i don't think so. As long as you deliver, you'll be considered.

If the top schools you can think of are preferred over the other schools, i think right now medyo nag mellow na yung biases.

[CaRaMBa]

Ahh. Thing is Drek, I really can't answer your question 'cause if you ask me, I will not base it on the school.

[PRIMAVERA]

hmm... nice thread...

pero yung mga ganitong discrimination usually happens sa mga big companys lang ... pero sa mga SME's bihira ang ganito... bakit kamo.... ang dahilan nila e....

1. mahal ang magpasahod ng mga graduates from schools like ateneo, lasalle, up, etc. Hindi sila afford masasyadong matataas presyo nila....

2. masyado silang maraming alam... mahirap na silang turuan... baka mas magaling pa sila sa may-ari... yun nga lang same nature.. employee parin sila...

3. namimili sila ng trabaho.... dahilan nila... may presyo ako... galing ako sa iskuwelahang may magandang reputasyon...at may presyo din....

Pero...

Reality check....

New grads... pare-pareho lang... kahit saang sch ka pa galing... wala ka padin alam... hehehe.... sad to say that.... pero thats reality...

Grads from schools like PUP, UE, yung mga ordinary schools lang.... kahit anong trabaho ... basta ang importante dito... maytrabaho ako.... marangal... at desente...at kumikita...

Grads from first class schools.... d ako nagmamadaling magahanap ng trabaho.... may kaya parents ko e....

SMES dito na ako sa graduate na gustong matutuo ... mura na nakatulong pa ako sa government para makapagbigay ng trabaho sa mga nangangailangan....

BIG company's segregate and do the selection... prioritize yung mga dapat iparioritize ha! Mahirap na baka pumalpak....

So saan kayo...

[Apo_Inso]

good observation primavera......

[bjmanabat]

i know a multinational company and for ethical reasons i will not mention the name but it is based in ayala ave. makati. some of the prominent businessmen in the country are actually stock holders of this company. the policy that they are adapting is if you do have the experience (at least 5 years on the field you are applying for) then the school where you graduated doesn't matter. if however you are a newly grad. they would only consider u.p, u.s.t., ateneo and la salle not in that particular order of course. let's say your are a cum laude but not from this "top four" universities they would even give the slot to an average applicant from this "top four" schools!

[SUX2BU]

Is it true that UST and UP dominate the advertising industry?

[letsrockandroll]

^^, yes i believe so

I know some people who graduated from UP and UST are now working in known adverstising companies/industries such as Saatchi and Saatchi, P&G, Nestle or what have you.

[Juntrix]

Here in our department (cluster as we call it), although there are no clearcut criteria as to applicant selection, you would notice a trend... those who were eventually accepted are either a graduate of:

1. UP
2. DLSU
3. UST
4. Any other school + board exam topnotcher/summa/magna/cum laude/honorable mention/student council or org officer/with work experience.

So, if one is not from DLSU/UST/UP, it's most likely that he/she was a former JPIA officer or a cum laude.

It might sound unethical or even absurd for you guys, but once you realize that there's virtually no room for carelessness in our line of work (assurance and attestation), then you would understand the rationale behind the "invisible school criterion."

This is reality... sad yet true.

[bongskie]

skulmate ko tapnutser ng CPA binabarat sa mga kumpanya na inaaplayan kasi daw isa lang siyang hamak na tiga-ipEyu.

top 10 yan ah.

heheheh.wawa kame.

[jay372011]

Our hiring strategy is more of the exception rather than the rule. We dont hire employees from the ELITE SCHOOLS coming from Manila. Why? Because they usually have an attitude regarding the pay, ofcourse they wont settle for a little above minimum wage and they are SOOOO PIRATE-ABLE. Our bosses used to hire them but they do not stay in the company for too long - they jump over the bakod when the offer is good and ofcourse most of them are very ambitious and driven and agressive and our culture is not really attuned or same as that. What do we hire now? We hire good fresh graduates from the provinces who came from "elite or at least reputable schools in their town. And yes we had UP and Ateneo graduates from the Visayas and de Naga respectively. The difference? Some cannot really speak fluent English (but the UP visayas and ateneo de naga can) like one of our acccountants who graduated in Batanggas - he is not eloquent at all and cannot express himself in English - he speaks like Ruffa Mae Quinto but very knowleageable and very efficient with the work .

Is this what you call REVERSE DISCRIMINATION? I think so. I had one interview from DLSU-CSB - the HR manager warned me to just trash his resume - but i still went on to interview him. And yes he did not came back when he heard about the salary.

I would also like to share an interview i had with the credit card company - i asked the same question. She answered - no there is no bias in our company but we stictly check on the grades of each applicant. She said 3 failed grades in the resume would mean that your resume will go straight to the trash bin.

To the TS this is a very legi thread you started and i am surely learning a lot.

[coldrockster]

funny but interesting thread...:)

[beltranBALDO]

sa Thomson Financial, isang team leader from DLSU requiring 2 new analysts.

yun pala eh LAHAT ng research analysts nya ay kulay asul at berde. :glee:
yun nga lang, madalas daw na bagsak sa metrics ang TEAM ng mapiling TL. :glee:

[jay372011]

Our present govt /liason rep is from UST - ok naman sila because wala silang qualms about the pay etc but umaalis din after less than 2 years, pag dumating na yung break na iniintay nila. UST vs UP vs CEU - mas hindi namin kukunin *** UP. Depende na lang kung sino sa dalawang natira ang mas may magandang personality Now if you are an ordinary company, will you blame hrd if you junk all those applicants from elite schools. Our company hiring experience tells us that they just stay for 3 to 6 months - holding period lang until they get their break. The people from the provinces are ok and efficient *** iba nga lang as what ive said cannot speak in straight english- which is ok because these are all accounting staff and marketing staff that do not face our clients. May binabagayan din kasing graduates ang mga companies - pag gusto mo top10 corporations syempre lamang *** top colleges and universities.

[funzen]

Here in our company, I did interviews for applicants who were fortunate enough to pass the test and HR's initial interview.

The thing I noticed is that the graduates of the top schools are more assertive than grads of the other schools. The important thing when you are a fresh grad is to be able to impress your interviewers and be able to communicate to them what you wanted to say. These top schools "train" their students in oral and written communication better.

As an interviewer, that is a big factor. How would I know how good you are if you can't explain to me clearly what your thesis is about?

But then, for a technical position, we also look at the person's analytical skills. I prefer a person who answered my question fully in "barok" english than someone who eloquently explained to me something that didn't actually answer my question. :)

So my reply is, I don't care what school you are from just as long as your answer makes sense to me and you didn't use high-faluting words that have nothing to do with what I was asking.

[metropolitan]

kung ako lang masusunod, i won't prioritize the graduates from the "best" schools. they'll always get a job somewhere, i'd rather give a chance to those who came from other colleges and universities.

i also believe that graduates of the best schools is not equal to the best employees.

[LyricMuse]

I will not try to gloss over the fact that this is a sad practice in the job market today. and the fact that we are aware of this thing happening should be a mark already that we must do what we can to change this.

I am an associate from an executive search firm, so my job is basically to give companies the manpower they need. luckily, most of the companies i've handled do not have this kind of discrinimination. i encountered one though who wanted graduates of "reputable" schools in the metro. i happen to stumble though to some very competent fresh grads from the province. personally, i do not have any discrimination against schools. (keber ko if you're from a top university. kung me attitude problem ka, hell! sa shredder ang kahahantungan ng resume noh!) so ang ginawa ko, i sent their profiles to my clients. and to my greatest surprise, most of the people i was able to hire came from that school! and my client? well, they asked me if i can get more pa daw from them. hehe.

so you see, this is not a hopeless case. we can change this sad and unfair practice.

[clintv]

I've heard that graduates of FEU-EastAsia College are competent and landed a good job after graduation? They have an 8 months internship units in their curriculum which is an advantage in their part and usually companies lay this for credit.

[metropolitan]

I've heard that graduates of FEU-EastAsia College are competent and landed a good job after graduation? They have an 8 months internship units in their curriculum which is an advantage in their part and usually companies lay this for credit.

I think the school only makes up 25% of a good employee the rest is the persons human skills, attitude, breeding and IQ

[wirehead]

sabi ng hr namin, di naman daw sa discriminating ang kumpanya. it just happens that most of the applicants who pass the exams are from reputable schools. syempre, if an hr department has limited time and resources, ang usually kino-contact nila ay yung mas may probability na pumasa sa exam para di sayang sa oras.

i don't think it matters much if a vacancy is for someone with experience or proven skills but for fresh grads, dun na nagkakatalo. dahil hindi mo alam kung sino sa mga batang ito ang magiging mahusay na empleyado, you'd have to use screening and signalling devices to help you see which ones have the potential to be good employees. screening devices may be in the form of exams to gauge an applicant's intelligence. signalling devices may take the form of interviews where one may display indicators of their attitude, personal skills etc. screening din ang pag segregate ng school na pinanggagalingan minsan and it may sound unfair but let's face it, the quality of education is not equal among universities and colleges in the country.

most of these elite schools are home to accredited centers of excellence in specific fields that teach skills an employer may need. of course, being a graduate of a particular school does not mean one would be a good employee but the fact that they were admitted to and managed to survive student life in these universities must say something about their 'human skills, attitude, breeding and IQ' as metropolitan stated.

as for those graduates who come from expensive schools, di naman sa mataas masyado ineexpect nilang sweldo. a simple cost-benefit analysis would dictate that they should want to get a good return on their parents' investment (ie education) so their expected income would of course be more than what they paid for.

for my employer, it's considered a challenge for our hr and top management to try and make their employees from these elite schools stay and be satisfied with their work and the company (not that they're vey successful though)

btw, in some of these schools, having only three failed grades in your entire stay in college is something to be very happy about.

[baphomet90]

kung ako ang tatanungin basta may pera ang companyang makuha ang isang applicant from the big 3 kukunin ko sila. why? simple those big 3 are credited my CHED(correct me if im wrong) with a lvl 4 only the big 3 are lvl 4.

Isa pa kung tiningnan mo ang educasyon sa pilipinas ang ibang studyante na nasa grade 6 ay hindi pa marunong magbasa. At sino ang kukuha sa kanila pag dating ng college ang mga bulok na college na gusto *** kumita!! At pag dating nila doon tsaka pa lang sila matututong bumasa!! ngayon kung tatanungin ka sino ang kukunin mo ang studyanteng ngayon lang natututong bumasa o ang studyanteng nag aral ng mahihirap na courses?


Ewan ko *** kung napansin nyo pero kung ang mga CEO at mga mga manager ay galing sa UP at ADMU eh sino naman ang may ari ng companya? Sino pa kung di ang mga taga DLSU!

Animo Lasalle!!!!
note:bias ang 3rd paragraph disregard if you want :lol:

[bethegirl]

it really doesn't matter. nasa tao na yan if magaling talaga or hindi. i didis own ka lang ng school mo pag di ka magaling kahit proud na proud ka school mo, haha!

[business_guy]

kung ako ang tatanungin basta may pera ang companyang makuha ang isang applicant from the big 3 kukunin ko sila. why? simple those big 3 are credited my CHED(correct me if im wrong) with a lvl 4 only the big 3 are lvl 4.

Isa pa kung tiningnan mo ang educasyon sa pilipinas ang ibang studyante na nasa grade 6 ay hindi pa marunong magbasa. At sino ang kukuha sa kanila pag dating ng college ang mga bulok na college na gusto *** kumita!! At pag dating nila doon tsaka pa lang sila matututong bumasa!! ngayon kung tatanungin ka sino ang kukunin mo ang studyanteng ngayon lang natututong bumasa o ang studyanteng nag aral ng mahihirap na courses?


Ewan ko *** kung napansin nyo pero kung ang mga CEO at mga mga manager ay galing sa UP at ADMU eh sino naman ang may ari ng companya? Sino pa kung di ang mga taga DLSU!

Animo Lasalle!!!!
note:bias ang 3rd paragraph disregard if you want :lol:

Ay hindi (lol)....

[c0Rinthian]

kung ako ang tatanungin basta may pera ang companyang makuha ang isang applicant from the big 3 kukunin ko sila. why? simple those big 3 are credited my CHED(correct me if im wrong) with a lvl 4 only the big 3 are lvl 4.

Isa pa kung tiningnan mo ang educasyon sa pilipinas ang ibang studyante na nasa grade 6 ay hindi pa marunong magbasa. At sino ang kukuha sa kanila pag dating ng college ang mga bulok na college na gusto *** kumita!! At pag dating nila doon tsaka pa lang sila matututong bumasa!! ngayon kung tatanungin ka sino ang kukunin mo ang studyanteng ngayon lang natututong bumasa o ang studyanteng nag aral ng mahihirap na courses?


Ewan ko *** kung napansin nyo pero kung ang mga CEO at mga mga manager ay galing sa UP at ADMU eh sino naman ang may ari ng companya? Sino pa kung di ang mga taga DLSU!

Animo Lasalle!!!!
note:bias ang 3rd paragraph disregard if you want :lol:

Disclaimer: Don't take my post too seriously :D

So, if you have money and brains- go to ADMU

If you don't have any money, but have brains- go to UP

If you have no brains, but plenty of money, goto DLSU :glee:

So ergo, DLSU grads with lots of money to start a biz, but no brains to manage and operate it- get people from ADMU and UP to run it :lol:

peace! *peace*

[tipsy_girl]

I have this friend who didn't graduate in any of those top universities, sobrang nhirapan ** magadjust sa training ng work nila esp. almost 3/4 ng mga teammates nya galing sa top 4. nhihiya ** imention name ng school nya. I told her wala nmn yun sa school nasa performance nya sa company and now, regular na ** unlike ng ilan sa mga teammates nya na di mn *** nakapasa ng training because of attitude problem and so on...

about me, although I'm from UP, I don't have anything against other schools.

my 3 siblings are not graduates from the Top 4 but I believe they will land good jobs someday.

"as long as you try your best and improve yourself, someone will surely hire you."

[Cookie_Mobster]

Sa company ko walang school bias... :)
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pero may alam akong company puro taga dlsu lang ang hinihire..
haha
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Pero may narinig din ako na kung may mga alumni from your school with a high position, most likely from their school din sila kukuha ng employees nila.

[ellenchanted]

The truth is I really don't care about schools they graduated from. I place importance on their work experience, intelligence and attitude. Marami dyan na mahihirap who graduated from unknown schools pero magagaling at masisipag. Streetsmarts.

[ellenchanted]

..and by the way, my brother is one of the senior managers of Globe Telecom. He didn't graduate from any of those top 4 schools pero pina-pirate pa ng IBM Singapore.

[c0Rinthian]

so true! your alma mater will only matter during the first two years of your career, after that potential employers will assess you based on your past performance in the roles that you had in your previous companies.

In the end, it's not the school that matters, its the individual's drive and innate talent that will propel and sustain his/her career :)

[batinks13]

Let's face it, meron talagang companies na may bias pagdating sa pagpili nila ng kukunin nilang mga empleyado. And mahirap talagang makapasok kung ganun.

[Aranda_Bay]

If I were the employer, I will give weight to education from these schools and cross referencing it with how the applicant did in these schools. Mahirap din kasi yung puro boladas lang sa interview at walang evidence to back it up.

Matimbang din kasi kung galing dito sa mga eskwelahan ang applicant (if for example I can afford them as an employer). Meron din kasing dala-dalang extensive social network and alumni clout ang mga unibersidad na 'to.

[Galvantic@STS]

The thing I noticed is that the graduates of the top schools are more assertive than grads of the other schools. The important thing when you are a fresh grad is to be able to impress your interviewers and be able to communicate to them what you wanted to say. These top schools "train" their students in oral and written communication better.



no. they learned English well during high school.

kung mapapansin mo most graduates of the these top universities are from elite high schools.

kahit sa college, you'll notice that those who graduated from less popular high schools are not as assertive as graduates of prestigious HS like Poveda, ICA, Xavier, Arneow etc.

;)

[aspiringentrepr]

Definitely mga ATENISTA!! Go Ateneo... Hehe...

Lux In Domino!

Aspiring Entrepreneur (http://entrepreneurph.blogspot.com)

[jccon54]

The truth is meron talagang school discrimination n dapat **** e wala. Mayayabang *** talaga tayo. Mabuti na *** wala sa Bible na ang maliligtas ay graduate *** ng UP ATENEO AT DLSU.

Bakit b ang pinoy makikitid ang utak? Hindi po ibig sabihin n kapag graduate ka ng isang eksklusibong paaralan ay ikaw n ang pinakamagaling. wala po sa school yan nasa pagkatao. ang hirap kac sa atin pataasan ng pataasan ng ihi. bakit ang pilipinas hindi umuunlad eh ang nagpapatakbo ng gobyerno e galing sa mga pinagpipitagang eskwelahan at ang presidente e galing p ng Harvard? ang mga HR p mahihilig sa mga mgagaling sa English pero yun mga big boss e tagalog **** mg-interview. Para nga *** nkikipagkwentuhan during interview and ngjojoke p. *** kac s English yan. Nsa diskarte s trabaho. Sana matauhan mga HR na ngatatangi ng applicant.

Mabuti **** at ang nanalo s big brother eh d asul at d rin berde. isang patunay n school should not matter hahaha!!!

[gwaping17]

Honestly, and I am saying this with the least amount of bias and only basing it on observation, I work with tons of people from "good" and "reputable" schools (myself included) and some of them really stink.

[pagie]

bakit walang PUP dito? hindi bat PUP pa rin ang hanap ng mga employer pagdating sa accounting? =)

[jay372011]

Sa amin REVERSE DISCRIMINATION - parang "BAHAY NI KUYA"- pag mayaman ka at elite school mo suwerte ka kung mapasok ka sa Big 4. Just what happened to Robby- kasi mayaman siya, kasi marami siyang opportunities, but the main reason- hindi sila nagtatagal sa amin dahil simpleng company lang kami. Kaya pag may naliligaw na elite school, bihira na ang nakakapasok because of the very negative record nila - but these same elite schools na may branch sa province - tumatagal naman. Yung graduates ng main branch nila dito sa Manila ang masyadong mahirap i maintain.

[bapprentice]

I agree with most of you. I wouldn't discriminate against graduates from the less known schools, as long as they have the right kind of attitude and the drive to succeed. The thing is, a person's mindset and personality are naturally affected by factors he's gone through over the years - his school, his colleagues, parents, etc (with school probably being the most important). So, graduates who had been taught, nurtured, and influenced by successful people possessing a good combination of work experience, talent, ethics, humility, etc., would most likely achieve the same amount of success, or more. The "top" 4 schools are mainly run by those exceptional people.

Some schools, on the other hand, either, one, can't afford to hire these professors/leaders/etc. or two, don't breed graduates who would feel as "obliged" to give back to their alma mater. Thus, their students don't receive the same kind of "molding" privileges as those studying in the top 4.

And yes, I also agree that graduates from the "elite" schools tend to be too arrogant and complacent just because of their "status." But as long as they keep these negative attitudes in check, they're bound for success.

But what do I know? I just graduated a few months ago and still unemployed. Hehe.

[poetspeak]

In EMERSON's recruitment team we give equal chance for all graduates. We would never account the school where you came from regarding your application with us. As long as you are a bachelor's degree holder, we would try to accomodate you based on your qualifications.


BTW, we are in need of Financial Analyst, Mechanical Engineers (specializing in Marketing analysis), customer service representative, field service engineer and many more.

Please do send your curriculum vitae at recruitment@emerson.com


thanks!

[chuboy]

^ the following posts made laugh...hehe

[chuboy]

well for me? siyempre i'll help my fellow benildean. ANIMO BENILDE!

Anyway here's my top three:

1. UP - matalino, cowboy, delikado nga lang pag nagkamali...laking dagok..parang japanese....pag nawala honor, suicide na ang sagot. *joke

2. ADMU - matalino, bigtime, cowboy din....pero may hangin nga lang yung iba..(may "K" e..)

3. DLSU - matalino, bigtime, cowboy din..pero may ilan-ilan na mayabang din..(Old rich kumbaga..)

wait lang taas ko bandera ng benilde...

hehe

CSB - challenged matuto at mag-aral kasi (sad to say..) markado na as tanggapan ng mga bagsak...mga tamad daw..pero hindi naman lahat..so there is this feeling na kelangan kong magpakitang gilas, kelangan kong galingan pag taga-csb ka... oh di ba? hehe

But still, nasa tao pa rin yan.. The schools we graduated from serves as entrance tickets lang sa career natin like for interviews, mas malaking chance makuha ka. kapag galing ka sa big three. It's still up to us. Performance still would determine our career path, so kung sasablay-sablay...isip-isip. hehe

So kahit UP,ADMU,DLSU grad ka at di mo magawa work mo ng maayos... Was it worth it? Na-absorb mo ba ang nature ng pag-aaral at kung para saan yan?

Well, yun lang... PEACE!

[pagie]

In EMERSON's recruitment team we give equal chance for all graduates. We would never account the school where you came from regarding your application with us. As long as you are a bachelor's degree holder, we would try to accomodate you based on your qualifications.


BTW, we are in need of Financial Analyst, Mechanical Engineers (specializing in Marketing analysis), customer service representative, field service engineer and many more.

Please do send your curriculum vitae at recruitment@emerson.com


thanks!

I'm not against of your post, but for so many times, "equal opportunity employer" is just words of marketing. Just take for example accenture, they always have that line in thier ads,but in actual, they prefer most the graduates from Mapua.

[poetspeak]

Hi pagie.

We don't use "equal opportunity for applicants" in our formal advertisments.

You might want to see for yourself how dedicated we are in that "equal opportunity for everyone" we are talking about. To give you a hunch, not a lot of DLSU, ADMU and UA&P graduates are applying to us. But it doesn't bother us. We are after the competencies our applicants can offer.

Thanks.

[pagie]

hi poetspeak.
I did not mention that you have that in your ads. But isn't it automatic for the employers to be equal, as mandated by law? regardless of gender, religion, political beliefs, origin, etc...
Why there is a need to mention those when its very hard to prove it. If your not an HR or manager how can you prove that? If you are an HR/manager there's no need to point it out, you obey the law right?.
Don't take it seriously, I might just hate those words...
It's from experience.. not once, not twice... hahaha!

Peace...

Lets go back to those Big 3 or Big 4 schools as rated by capitalist standards.

[LodRose]

parang di ka stalker nyan ano.

now para hindi naman masyadong off-topic:

i've been screening people to get into my team for a while and where you come from does not really matter. on my experience nga mas maganda pa siguro none of the above na lang. masyadong mae-ere minsan e.

yes, it does show some commitment (and maybe a hint of intelligence) on your part to have been doing well in college and at a good institution at that. in the real world though, none of that crap matters. your work still speaks for you.

*peace*

[_Reversed_]

hi poetspeak.
I did not mention that you have that in your ads. But isn't it automatic for the employers to be equal, as mandated by law? regardless of gender, religion, political beliefs, origin, etc...
Why there is a need to mention those when its very hard to prove it. If your not an HR or manager how can you prove that? If you are an HR/manager there's no need to point it out, you obey the law right?.
Don't take it seriously, I might just hate those words...
It's from experience.. not once, not twice... hahaha!

Peace...

Lets go back to those Big 3 or Big 4 schools as rated by capitalist standards.

haha true. kasi ilang beses na din ako nag-apply dito pati yung friend ko na taga st. louis university. nainis na nga yung friend ko kasi tatawag lang daw accenture kapag may work na sya :p

poetspeak: please don't take this seriously because i posted this based from my experience. siguro hindi lang talaga ako para sa accenture :confused:

[usoundlikethis]

Aha!

Batch after batch, lahat ng thread with UP, Ateneo, DLSU na kasama sa title e isa lang kinahahantungan. Pramis after 5 months meron nanamang ganito:lol:

Sana dumating ang panahon na ang mga forums e hindi na kailangang magtago sa mga nicks ang mga posters para wala nang payabangan at pang-aaway. Kumbaga may accountability ang bawat isa sa mga pinagsasabi niya.

Para sagutin ang thread title-- ihire ang pinaka-aakma sa partikular na posisyon. Basta swak ang kaalaman nia at attitude para sa posisyon na iyon.

[pit bull]

Mas mataas kse ang standards sa top universities... Compare nyo na lang yung average students ng DLSU at Sta. Mameng Tech, may difference...

[giovannni]

I don't hire based on school but based on experience, proven cability, aptitude, and potential. All must be present.

[pagie]

haha true. kasi ilang beses na din ako nag-apply dito pati yung friend ko na taga st. louis university. nainis na nga yung friend ko kasi tatawag lang daw accenture kapag may work na sya :p

poetspeak: please don't take this seriously because i posted this based from my experience. siguro hindi lang talaga ako para sa accenture :confused:

Last month na-hire rin ako sa accenture, siguro dahil me experience na rin ako as programmer. kaso me naunang offer na eh so hindi na ako tumuloy sa kanila.
Well, hindi lang naman sa accenture me discrimination, marami akong experience diyan. Me company pa nga na specific ayaw sa PUPean. Takot yata sa activist. hehehe...
..mas naaalala ko lang ang accenture dahil sa parang slogan na rin nila na "We are equal opportunity employer".

Asus!

[thebigQ]

UP and UST in advertising industries? Yes. Sad but true.

[albert16]

It depends on the type of industry and the scale of the enterprise.

[jay372011]

Guys medyo off topic na on topic naman
here goes:

Our department is looking for business grad na ang exposure e sa accounting department - hanap hanap - ok so may nakuha na kami kaso naman - sensha na - mas presentable pa ang mga warehouse liason personel namin sa kanya. As in mapagkakamalan mo talagang messenger. According to our HR - hirap daw sila magdecide because medyo alangan sila sa looks because kahit paano haharap din sa tao *** new employee. Ending tinanggap na din kasi nga maganda ang school niya reputable na tipong ka level ng Pamantasan Lungsod ng Maynila - ka level lang ha. E di ok na - tapos nagpunta me sa bank just now - sabi ko sino *** girl na yan bakit ganyan ang upo at ang bihis. Same school pala ng bago naming staff - may gosh pero ang bihis parang tindera sa 168.:mecry: I mean yon ang kulang sa mga Manila schools e, kulang sa presentation- kahit pa sa opisina sila dapat mag ayos naman. Alam nyo *** saleslady sa mga greenhills ganoon ang bihis at looks at personality. Sana more provincial candidates na galing sa elite schools, they try harder.

[popsky]

Mas mataas kse ang standards sa top universities... Compare nyo na lang yung average students ng DLSU at Sta. Mameng Tech, may difference...

kaya pala dinemanda ng isang senadora(nikki coseting yata) dati ang DLSU, kase bumagsak ang anak niya sa board exam. at hindi naman siguro anak niya ang mahina, zero percent (0%) kasi ang passing ng DLSU sa kursong yun. :rotflmao:

Peace...:)
naalala ko lang po, diniscuss sa amin yan nung college ako eh.

[jarthel]

in my last job in pinas (one of the top pharmaceutical companies in the country), they wouldn't hire anyone from an unknown school. My skills and experience are good. And it helped that the manager and director of the IT department were both from lasalle!

[albert16]

tingin ko hanggang ngayon iyong "graduates of big 4 preferred / only" ay nangyayari pa rin lalo na sa mga big multi-national companies. Tulad ng nangyari sa akin, nag-apply ako sa isang headhunter para sa isang client nila (one of the top manufacturing companies) tapos pumasa ako at for interview na ako sa company na iyon kahit na accounting assistant ang position at hindi ako accounting o business-related course graduate.

[KuyaDanny]

bakit walang PUP dito? hindi bat PUP pa rin ang hanap ng mga employer pagdating sa accounting? =)

Sa amin, oo. Hindi lang PUP. PLM din. We don't look for them, really. But they end up getting hired. And since we hire only people with previous experience, that means somebody else thought they were good enough to take on.

[faye86]

Nice thread! so very WORKING FILIPINO.
Sad to say but some companies really would only entertain/hire graduates from top universities mentioned earlier. im a fresh grad and ive seen some ads in jobstreet that stated "applicants must be a grad of UP,DLSU,ADMU or UST and yes UAP". Witchcraft was the 1st company i saw with this ad. showed the link to my professor and friends and yes it was a total dismay. but i we all have to face it. cant blame myself nor my parents coz they sent my siblings to those top universities. I studied only for 1 year in UST. and transfered (ust is strict when it comes to tranfering course, yes if ull jump into other college u r considered as transferee not shiftee/they only accept 3rd yr transferee and yes will not credit subjects taken ergo a waste to stay in the college of ***** if i want a different course) well, its so okay, coz deym if i finish masscom in UST and deym if i dont! im pretty confident that i could land on a job(related to my filed) that will support my needs and wants. some of the ex classmates in UST landed on on a job that's not related to their course. so i guess, its really up to your "LUCK" and the so called "DISKARTE" :)

[faye86]

guess the school was the key. no offense but i know there is this bond when u came from same alma mater. :) experienced it on my job interviews. when the interviewers saw my gs and hs they would say "wow u're a *******" hehehe.

[albert16]

guess the school was the key. no offense but i know there is this bond when u came from same alma mater. :) experienced it on my job interviews. when the interviewers saw my gs and hs they would say "wow u're a *******" hehehe.

******* - atenean hehehehe

[Fenix]

This is based on my experience. I was present when my boss was selecting applicants' resumes for interview.
When he saw this guy from UP, sabi nya: "ayoko nito, siguradong reklamador ito".

[faye86]

in my last job in pinas (one of the top pharmaceutical companies in the country), they wouldn't hire anyone from an unknown school. My skills and experience are good. And it helped that the manager and director of the IT department were both from lasalle!

This is based on my experience. I was present when my boss was selecting applicants' resumes for interview.
When he saw this guy from UP, sabi nya: "ayoko nito, siguradong reklamador ito".

hmmm.. nietherways i salute UP students and grads.

[c0Rinthian]

This is based on my experience. I was present when my boss was selecting applicants' resumes for interview.
When he saw this guy from UP, sabi nya: "ayoko nito, siguradong reklamador ito".

Siguro naghahanap siya nang madaling abusuhin at di aangal pag may ginawang kabulastugan siya :hmm:

Yung tipo bang "yes sir" ng "yes sir" lang- na sunod sunuran lang.

Tama boss mo, pag gusto niyang sunod sunuran lang, hanap na lang siya ng ibang aplikante na desperado :lol:

[bapprentice]

Just wrote something about this topic, check it here: http://brownmarketingapprentice.blogspot.com/2008/06/school-branding.html

[petixter]

i think it's unfair na tignan ang school bago i hire o tignan man lang ang resume. old school style na ata to? for me lang ah. for me if you believe in this, binibigyan mo rin ang sarili mo na malimit ang capabilities mo. hindi ako graduate ng kahit anong school mentioned above, pero nakahanap ako ng work sa reputable companies here. yung classmates ko rin maaayos at successful naman sa work, kahit hindi kilala ang school namin.

[pagie]

Siguro naghahanap siya nang madaling abusuhin at di aangal pag may ginawang kabulastugan siya :hmm:

Yung tipo bang "yes sir" ng "yes sir" lang- na sunod sunuran lang.

Tama boss mo, pag gusto niyang sunod sunuran lang, hanap na lang siya ng ibang aplikante na desperado :lol:

korek! pero pwede ring intimidated siya sa tga UP di ba... insecure *****.hehehe...:lol:

[c0Rinthian]

korek! pero pwede ring intimidated siya sa tga UP di ba... insecure *****.hehehe...:lol:

shhhhhhhhhh... wak ka maingay... baka maraming tamaan at mag mega-react :lol:

[pagie]

oo nga pala, naalala ko, UP ka nga pala. hehe...
UP din sana ako eh, kaso mahilig ako sa palindrome kaya sa PUP na lang.

[c0Rinthian]

i think it's unfair na tignan ang school bago i hire o tignan man lang ang resume. old school style na ata to? for me lang ah. for me if you believe in this, binibigyan mo rin ang sarili mo na malimit ang capabilities mo. hindi ako graduate ng kahit anong school mentioned above, pero nakahanap ako ng work sa reputable companies here. yung classmates ko rin maaayos at successful naman sa work, kahit hindi kilala ang school namin.

well, hindi na ibig sabihin kung ikaw ay grad ng top 3, ay automatic na matalino ka- andami din kayang obobs na taga top 3 :glee:

at di rin ibig sabihin na kung grad ka ng di masyadong kilalang ay wala ka nang pag asang umasenso- maraming mga grad sa mga di kilalang university na naging succesful sa pinili nilang larangan.

ang tingin ko lang, kaya mas pinipili ng ibang kumpanya na kumuha ng tao galing sa top 3 ay in terms of percentage, mas maraming estudyante na grad sa top 3 ay proven na mag pe perform based on past experience at sa performance ng mga empleyado na galing sa top 3, kaysa sa grad sa ibang iskul.

ika nga, sa batting average- mas malaki ang tsansa na ok ang hire galing sa big 3 compared sa iba.

pero ang kagalingan at katalinuhan ay di lang nagmumula sa top 3, may ibang mga estudyante- siguro dahil sa kulang sa pondo, o kulang sa swerte (pero di sa abilidad), o dahil sa kanilang personal na dahilan ay pinili na pumasok sa ibang institusyon.



yun lang po :)

[popsky]

meron ding medyo mahina pero matigas ang amuks at maabilidad na nagiging succesful. gaya ng kaibigan kong manager na *****. walang gusto maniwala sa grupo na nakarating siya sa ganun. =)

[jay372011]

Ito reaction lang po yung iba naman schools na di sing mahal at ordinary lang ang tiuition , kasi mukhang GUSGUSIN talaga at mga informal settlers (read: squating )ang dating. Kahit pa sabihing may utak sila pero hindi marunong mag ayos. Ang top universities at elite colleges may dating talaga sila. Pano ba naman yan magaaply naka maong - naka skinny jeans - opisina kaya ang pinuntahan nila at hindi mall, simpleng mga bagay pero di sila aware. Dapat mukhang maayos - syempre pag sales and marketing ang inaaplayan nila - malaking plus factor yon. Kasi sa sales and marketing mas may weight ang looks and ability to communicate kesa sa abstract reasoning or mathematical ability(common sense lang will do). Depends din sa position.

[Dacs]

Ito reaction lang po yung iba naman schools na di sing mahal at ordinary lang ang tiuition , kasi mukhang GUSGUSIN talaga at mga informal settlers (read: squating )ang dating. Kahit pa sabihing may utak sila pero hindi marunong mag ayos. Ang top universities at elite colleges may dating talaga sila. Pano ba naman yan magaaply naka maong - naka skinny jeans - opisina kaya ang pinuntahan nila at hindi mall, simpleng mga bagay pero di sila aware. Dapat mukhang maayos - syempre pag sales and marketing ang inaaplayan nila - malaking plus factor yon. Kasi sa sales and marketing mas may weight ang looks and ability to communicate kesa sa abstract reasoning or mathematical ability(common sense lang will do). Depends din sa position.
I dunno where to start on this one.

But at any given day, I'll prefer working with a GUSGUSIN and mukhang "informal settler" that can do his/her job than someone who proudly proclaims her school and wears havaianas INSIDE the office but as dumb as hell.

That person (thank God I don't have to work with her anymore :grindvl:) came from one of the "elite" school. Pero putsa walang laman ang utak.

Good luck.

[c0Rinthian]

I dunno where to start on this one.

But at any given day, I'll prefer working with a GUSGUSIN and mukhang "informal settler" that can do his/her job than someone who proudly proclaims her school and wears havaianas INSIDE the office but as dumb as hell.

That person (thank God I don't have to work with her anymore :grindvl:) came from one of the "elite" school. Pero putsa walang laman ang utak.

Good luck.

you hit the nail right on the head *okay*

[questorminator]

I remember a friend who is an HR in a big company here in Makati. During one of our gimiks he talked about his experiences in interviewing applicants. He kept on commenting on how this applicant has barok english or that he never heard of this school that an applicant claimed he was a graduate of. Then his remarks turned to their clothes. May nagpunta daw ng naka barong (yung pang-kasal). Tapos may naka jeans nga daw and then he said that those guys daw don't deserve to get jobs kasi daw they don't know how to dress properly (and I quote) like "decent human beings" and that he will never accept those people and that he will only accept applicants with a "worthy" background.

I just looked at him in the eye and said "Kaya nga they were applying eh, so that they can wear clothes like yours and so that their children will have a "worthy" background na hindi lalaitin ng mga HRs like you.

The guy never invited me to another gimik with him. Hahaha....

[jay372011]

Let us focus on presentation. What i posted was the applicants who came from the more reputable schools (aside from the backing of a very good reputation of thier alma mater) have a higher chances of being hired if the position is for marketing/sales/customer services job. We are not talking about attitudes (pag uugali) here nor brand names of what they are wearing . A plain and simple short sleeves and black pants or white blouse and short skirt for ladies will do. Nakapagtapos naman sila ng College e - meaning siguro may pambili naman sila ng pantalon at shirt na DISENTE. And they have gone thru OJT so DAPAT ALAM NA NILA YON. And yes you may even look a bit gusgusin but still get the job by trying harder, maligo ka, magbihis ng maayos magsuklay, magpagupit at ,magtoothbrush ka naman hehehehheh:rotflmao:

Add ko lang sabi nga ng boss ko - kung wala silang pambili ng damit - manghiram sila ng damit, bumili sa ukay ukay or divisoria. Wag na nilang gamitin na excuse ang walang pera. Alibi lang yan para makalusot -yung walang necktie for example. Hinidi na uso ang excuse walang pera sa pananamit ng maayos sa opisina lalong lalo na sa field. Ayaw lang nila mag effort.

Fyi lang basta sa company namin panalo ang mga sikat na schools sa province- sila ang mga nagtatagal at maayos ang work.

[jokerball]

"Kaya nga they were applying eh, so that they can wear clothes like yours and so that their children will have a "worthy" background na hindi lalaitin ng mga HRs like you.

talk about hitting the bulls eye... :bop:

[pagie]

depende sa posisyon din yan. pag humaharap ka sa clients nyo natural naman na presentable. pero kung hindi naman, maraming kumpanya ang maluwag sa ganun. kung ganun ang sitwasyon, OO, naga-apply *** ng nakamaong, smart casual lang. at natatanggap kami sa trabaho.

...at mas gusgusin pa tingnan sa min ang naka-necktie na puro porma lang sa opis. Toinkz! hehe..

[c0Rinthian]

depende sa posisyon din yan. pag humaharap ka sa clients nyo natural naman na presentable. pero kung hindi naman, maraming kumpanya ang maluwag sa ganun. kung ganun ang sitwasyon, OO, naga-apply *** ng nakamaong, smart casual lang. at natatanggap kami sa trabaho.

...at mas gusgusin pa tingnan sa min ang naka-necktie na puro porma lang sa opis. Toinkz! hehe..

:rotflmao: yup! ang unggoy, kahit damitan mo ng tuxed- unggoy pa din :)

at tama, it is always inapproprate to overdress, and to underdress- dapat strike the right balance :)

pero lumalayo na tayo sa topic eh

as mentioned earlier- malaki ang bearing ng alma mater ng tao pag fresh grad lang siya.

pero kung may 2+ years work experience na ang tao- level na playing field, kasi mas ine evaluate na ang candidates based on their experience and performance rather than their alma mater.

peace!

[pagie]

pero kung may 2+ years work experience na ang tao- level na playing field, kasi mas ine evaluate na ang candidates based on their experience and performance rather than their alma mater.

peace!

Yes, perfect!

[sam999]

the reality is....biases exist. It's present not only in the Philippines but even in other countries.

Alot of companies really choose the top schools. However, it is not to say that other schools. Other schools also do get notice depending on the job vacany.

What I noticed in all the companies I've worked for is that certain departments are dominated by graduates from the top schools while others are not. For examples, the marketing department of an FMCG company is usually filled with graduates from the top schools. On the other hand, the cashier department, is filled with graduates from various schools.

My GF works for an international bank, and all of her colleagues are from UP, UST, DLSU, and ADMU. Sad but true...it's just reality.

My cousins who graduated from UCLA, Stanford, and Harvard says that it's the same situation in the US. People who graduated from top schools get noticed more, if not, are isolated from the general list.

[c0Rinthian]

It all boils down to the fact some some companies prefer to have graduates from elite schools in their ranks.

The brutal truth is- not everyone can be elite.

In sociology as in general usage, the élite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, which enjoys a privileged status envied by individuals of lower social status.

Not everyone has the brains or capacity to graduate from the top 3 schools. Not everyone can win in a beauty pageant. Not everyone can graduate with honors. Not everyone could have good luck and good health.

Heck- not even everyone who passed the entrance exams to the top 3 could even graduate.

It's an unfair world- make it unfair to your own advantage :D

The fact is, graduates from the top 3 (UP, Ateneo, and DLSU) are educated to lead, innovate, and be critical.

While common public and private education is often designed to educate the general population to produce knowledgeable and skilled citizens, the elite approach to education is often presented at a more intellectual and demanding level, and is geared to produce leaders of a sort.

It can be idealized as an education geared to producing an individual capable of thinking at an intellectual level more advanced than the general population, consisting of diverse philosophical ideals and theories in order to enable the elite to logically evaluate situations.

I'm not saying that grads from schools who don't belong to the top 3 are inferior, it's just that- in the collective consciousness- it is assumed by the general public that it takes a lot of skill, intelligence, and luck (not to mention money) to get into- and finish from these prestigious institutions.

[jay372011]

I totally agree with the posts above kaya lang - there will always be exceptions. I know that sa marketing department the personality has to be complete - the way they talk, manner of dressing, physical features is important. Now pano kung di ka pasok sa top schools at mga elite schools na yan? Try to develop yourself - magbihis ka at mag ayos. Ang mahirap kasi sa ibang applicants galing na nga sila sa school na di naman elite - e they dont try to make an effort. They cannot express themselves well and they dont dress up for the part. I mean marketing job ang inaaplayan nila- di man lang sila mag ayos ng pananamit. Ako i did not graduate from the top 3 or 4 universities but i got the chance to work for reputable banks and travel companies and i even got accepted in a hotel. Puro elitista ang mga kalaban ko. In a "pang mayaman" na resto bar where i applied puro CONYOTIC ang kasabayan ko at lahat may hotel/resto experience. Pero hindi ako pinanghinaan ng loob. Sabi i will just give it my best shot. Yung picture ko maayos- resume ko maganda at malinaw ang printing- nag toothbrush ako at nag pagupit :rotflmao: nag deodorant. Nagbihis ng maayos dahil *** pinag OJT ko sa banko na LUMA yon ang ginamit ko. In short nag effort ako. I just felt confident kahit madaming kalaban. Yon ang point ko. Yung iba kasi napaka sloppy. Kaya minsan screening palang bagsak na. I tell you guys wag kayong mag maong sa interview. Kung si Bill Gates siguro ok lang yon - pero sa interview kaya ok sa kanya na skinny jeans ka during the interview ok kaya sa kanya yon ? Napaka at ease naman ata nuon- siguro during working for him come as you please - but then you still have to go to the interview. One more tip pag magiinterview ka sa banks any banks for that matter - pls do yourself a favor - come in businee attire - short sleeves na barong or shirt will do, and try to be presentable always. This is just my opinon.:D Di po ako galit - hi blood lang:grrr: Joke:p:rotflmao:

[c0Rinthian]

there are no hard and fast rules and absolutes in this complex world jay372011

there will always be exceptions to the rules, anomalies to the natural order, etc.

although- you did raise a valid point, but i guess it would be better to start a new thread on dressing up or down for work or an interview :D

peace! *peace*

[letsrockandroll]

It all boils down to the fact some some companies prefer to have graduates from elite schools in their ranks.

The brutal truth is- not everyone can be elite.

In sociology as in general usage, the élite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, which enjoys a privileged status envied by individuals of lower social status.

Not everyone has the brains or capacity to graduate from the top 3 schools. Not everyone can win in a beauty pageant. Not everyone can graduate with honors. Not everyone could have good luck and good health.

Heck- not even everyone who passed the entrance exams to the top 3 could even graduate.

It's an unfair world- make it unfair to your own advantage :D

The fact is, graduates from the top 3 (UP, Ateneo, and DLSU) are educated to lead, innovate, and be critical.

While common public and private education is often designed to educate the general population to produce knowledgeable and skilled citizens, the elite approach to education is often presented at a more intellectual and demanding level, and is geared to produce leaders of a sort.

It can be idealized as an education geared to producing an individual capable of thinking at an intellectual level more advanced than the general population, consisting of diverse philosophical ideals and theories in order to enable the elite to logically evaluate situations.

I'm not saying that grads from schools who don't belong to the top 3 are inferior, it's just that- in the collective consciousness- it is assumed by the general public that it takes a lot of skill, intelligence, and luck (not to mention money) to get into- and finish from these prestigious institutions.


paano naman yung mga people who are considered to be ELITE na nagaaral sa UST? i know a handful number of people who are studying in UST that can be considered elite. in fact, some of them are son's and daughter's of company owners there in makati and cubao. :)


Moreover, in the company of my friend's mother, they tend to hire UP, DLSU and UST. this is an advertising agency/company.

im waiting for the response of kopibun also. :naughty:

just my two cents.

[c0Rinthian]

paano naman yung mga people who are considered to be ELITE na nagaaral sa UST? i know a handful number of people who are studying in UST that can be considered elite. in fact, some of them are son's and daughter's of company owners there in makati and cubao. :)


Moreover, in the company of my friend's mother, they tend to hire UP, DLSU and UST. this is an advertising agency/company.

im waiting for the response of kopibun also. :naughty:

just my two cents.

look, i know how much you want to promote your royal and pontifical university- but, nasanay na ang tao na pag usapan ang big 3 (not big 4).

and we're not saying that ALL companies hire on the basis of belonging in the top 3 universities, pero more often than not- they do.

and- di naman porke grad ka ng UP, Ateneo, o DLSU- eh automatically "elite" ka na- sus, andami din kayang mga bobo na grad sa mga school na ito :glee:

At di mapagkakaila na napakaraming magagaling na tao na di naman natapos sa UP, Ateneo, o DLSU.

pero, it's all a label... kesyo pa ang big 3 na yan ay matute school of fashion and arts, guzman tech, cora doloroso- eh label pa rin yan.

it doesn't mean na inferior ang school mo, pero, the fact is- mas marami ang ratio ng quality graduates who come from the big 3, compared sa iba.

At di porke may UP, Ateneo, o DLSU ka sa CV mo eh automatic na preferred ka ng employers... sadly, the UP, Ateneo, and DLSU magic usually applies kung sa Manila/Flagship campuses ka nagtapos.. pero topic yan para sa ibang thread :D

[letsrockandroll]

look, i know how much you want to promote your royal and pontifical university- but, nasanay na ang tao na pag usapan ang big 3 (not big 4).

and we're not saying that ALL companies hire on the basis of belonging in the top 3 universities, pero more often than not- they do.

and- di naman porke grad ka ng UP, Ateneo, o DLSU- eh automatically "elite" ka na- sus, andami din kayang mga bobo na grad sa mga school na ito :glee:

At di mapagkakaila na napakaraming magagaling na tao na di naman natapos sa UP, Ateneo, o DLSU.

pero, it's all a label... kesyo pa ang big 3 na yan ay matute school of fashion and arts, guzman tech, cora doloroso- eh label pa rin yan.

it doesn't mean na inferior ang school mo, pero, the fact is- mas marami ang ratio ng quality graduates who come from the big 3, compared sa iba.

At di porke may UP, Ateneo, o DLSU ka sa CV mo eh automatic na preferred ka ng employers... sadly, the UP, Ateneo, and DLSU magic usually applies kung sa Manila/Flagship campuses ka nagtapos.. pero topic yan para sa ibang thread :D


nasanay na ang mga tao? hmm.. it looks like you are basing your top 3 from the so called assumptions, presupositions and even advertisements of review centers.

well i cannot deny the fact that these schools i believe can be equated with brands. the good thing about these so called top 3 schools is that they are good in marketing their name.

in fact, UST per se does not do that. AFAIK, assumptions are not based on reliable data's and fact's. im not trying to promote my Pontifical and 397 years old University. but due to the fact that a handful number of elite students still applies and takes the so called easy USTET simply signifies that UST is a Prestigious University.

to give you a hint, i am an officer (VP) for that matter in one automobile organization. and to be frankly though, i met and talked to a lot of Thomasians/ UST people in the Automobile/Advertising/Medicine/Accounting firms and Architectural industries for that matter.

we should just be thankful that these UST people i know tend to be lenient, very humble and very quiet about their true Thomasian Identity.*okay*

Just my two cents.

OT: Im still waiting for Kopibun's Reply. :bashful:

[c0Rinthian]

letsrockandroll... pardon me- but your obvious insecurity is showing

if you want to do a hardsell on your personal opinion on your alma mater- be our guest, this is a public forum- and you are free to express yourself.

frankly, this discussion could go on forever, kung gusto mong ipagpilitan na big 4- okay lang, diyan ka sasaya eh :glee:

but, parang sour-graping na lang ang pag assume mo na magaling mag-market ng pangalan nila as a brand ang UP, Ateneo, at DLSU, ang totoo ay, they try their best to maintain and retain their reputations by setting stringent standards for their student, faculty, and curriculum- no need for flashy ads or rabid alumni to do shameless self-promotion on their behalf :lol:

and I don't assume, presume, or believe in propaganda- I based my statements on my own personal experience.

Maraming namang magaling na galing Mapua, UA and P, EACIT, at MSU- pero di naman sila insecure na pinagpipilitan ang kanilang school

[letsrockandroll]

^^ susme.

you dont even know what insecurity means. your posts kinda remind me of someone here in pex.

To Quote "the fact is- mas marami ang ratio ng quality graduates who come from the big 3, compared sa iba."

sus, how did you know that these so called big 3 produced a big handful number of quality graduates. you DID not even cited proof's, data's or even pieces of Information that would simply show that these so called top 3 schools produce quality ratio graduates.

wtf, ano daw? mapagkakaila? how did you come with an idea just like that? based on what? trash? :lol:

hmm.. AFAIK, UP and UST according to Gmanews.tv ranked as two of the countries leading producers of Board exam passers for the past few years. if i were you, i will try making my research output better for goodness sake. I will not just base my ideas in some piece of Trash that according to presupositions and assumptions, i have come up with an idea that would best entail my thinking towards one thing. :lol:

how lowly hesitant thinking. try to be more scholarly sometime if i were you.:depressed:

[c0Rinthian]

^^ susme.

you dont even know what insecurity means. your posts kinda remind me of someone here in pex.

To Quote "the fact is- mas marami ang ratio ng quality graduates who come from the big 3, compared sa iba."

sus, how did you know that these so called big 3 produced a big handful number of quality graduates. you DID not even cited proof's, data's or even pieces of Information that would simply show that these so called top 3 schools produce quality ratio graduates.

wtf, ano daw? mapagkakaila? how did you come with an idea just like that? based on what? trash? :lol:

hmm.. AFAIK, UP and UST according to Gmanews.tv ranked as two of the countries leading producers of Board exam passers for the past few years. if i were you, i will try making my research output better for goodness sake. I will not just base my ideas in some piece of Trash that according to presupositions and assumptions, i have come up with an idea that would best entail my thinking towards one thing. :lol:

how lowly hesitant thinking. try to be more scholarly sometime if i were you.:depressed:

:rotflmao: letsrockandroll... huwag ka na lang mag ingles kung mali mali rin lang ang pag gamit mo, tinaguriang VP ka (daw) pa naman :glee:

ano ang basis ko? let's just say na ang linya ng trabaho ko ay nasa pang bubugaw (kung di mo gets- HR at recruitment). May access ako sa data ng mga taong napupunta sa mga malalaking kumpanya, at kasama sa data na ito ay kung ano ang kanilang alma mater.

Oo, di lahat ng kumpanya di 100% binibigyan ng preference ang graduate ng UP, Ateneo, o DLSU- depende sa kumpanya at linya ng trabaho na pinag uusapan.

May mga facts ako para suportahan ang statements ko, sa 201 files pa lang at records ng mga dati kong mga company, at mga ibang clients- mas maraming grad ng top 3 (UP, Ateneo, at DLSU) ang nakapwesto sa mga key and management roles sa karamihan ng malalaking kumpanya (oo, may mga taga UST din, may mga taga Adamson, Mapua, UA and P, etc- pero in terms of ratio mas marami pa rin ang galing sa top 3).

Pwede pa akong magkalkal ng ibang info (Time Magazine, CNN, CHED, etc- at di GMAnews tv) pero di ka rin naman maniniwala at ipagpipilitan mo pa rin na may "Big 4" eh :rotflmao:

[c0Rinthian]

My dad was a CEO for one of the bigger companies. When I was applying for college, he told me that top firms had hiring biases. Anecdotally, he talked about how HR would automatically sort resumes into four piles, Ateneo, UP, DLSU, and others.

Is the question assuming that the hiring decision was left to me, and I was forced to make a blind decision, that is deciding based solely on the resumes and without interviewing the candidates? In those circumstances, and again assuming the candidates were equally qualified on paper, I would decide based on school stereotypes and the match for the job.

Overall, the initial vote would go to the Atenean. Having come from the school, I am familiar with it. Hiring that person would eliminate a number of unknowns. Also, there would be a basis for rapport and camaraderie on which to build our professional relationship.

If the job required a strong affinity with the mass market, or required intense interaction with government bureacracy and agencies, I might give the job to the UP Grad. Having taken half a Master's degree there, I will be working with familiar territory.

However, if the job required a particular technology focus, I might consider the La Sallite.

Is this biased? Is it unfair? Yes.
Given more information would I make a different decision? Yes.
Am I stereotyping? Yes.
Is that a bad thing? No.

Stereotypes are mental short-cuts that facilitate decision making in the absence of complete knowledge. This human faculty is an evolutionary necessity. However, this never precludes looking for the facts.

Hope that helps.

May Angels smile upon you,
Joe

ps. If the person was from Xavier, then Ateneo, he would automatically be the most qualified. =P

ouch! that's so "in your face": :lol:

[gwaping17]

Exactly what I thought this thread will turn out to be.

[MisterHappy]

Kailan kaya mawawala ang pagkiling at bayas ng mga kumpanya sa Ateneo, UST, at La Salle grads.

Kawawa talaga ang taga-ibang iskuls!

:grrr:

[Arkaye]

^^ susme.

you dont even know what insecurity means. your posts kinda remind me of someone here in pex.

To Quote "the fact is- mas marami ang ratio ng quality graduates who come from the big 3, compared sa iba."

sus, how did you know that these so called big 3 produced a big handful number of quality graduates. you DID not even cited proof's, data's or even pieces of Information that would simply show that these so called top 3 schools produce quality ratio graduates.

wtf, ano daw? mapagkakaila? how did you come with an idea just like that? based on what? trash? :lol:

hmm.. AFAIK, UP and UST according to Gmanews.tv ranked as two of the countries leading producers of Board exam passers for the past few years. if i were you, i will try making my research output better for goodness sake. I will not just base my ideas in some piece of Trash that according to presupositions and assumptions, i have come up with an idea that would best entail my thinking towards one thing. :lol:

how lowly hesitant thinking. try to be more scholarly sometime if i were you.:depressed:

I think my IQ just dropped by several pts after reading this post. LMAO. :rotflmao:

[pagie]

Kailan kaya mawawala ang pagkiling at bayas ng mga kumpanya sa Ateneo, UST, at La Salle grads.

Kawawa talaga ang taga-ibang iskuls!

:grrr:

hehehe... hindi naman siguro. sabe nga ni corinthian, kapag me experience ka hindi na masyadong factor yan.

well, iba ang style ko. nung entry level pa lang ako, masaya ako pag naga-apply ako at me exams. ang laging nasa isip ko kse, exams pa lang, gigibain ko na itong mga graduates ng mga sikat na eskwelahan. hehe...

me isang bagay akong napatunayan dito: mahirap gibain ang UP!!!:bop:
may time na dalawa lang kami ang lumusot sa exam. at ako hanggang first interview lang.:lol:

ang sinasabe ko ay sa exams lang. ibang usapan na sempre ang leadership, communications, at technical skills etc..

[c0Rinthian]

Kailan kaya mawawala ang pagkiling at bayas ng mga kumpanya sa Ateneo, UST, at La Salle grads.

Kawawa talaga ang taga-ibang iskuls!

:grrr:

Di naman kawawa ang mga ibang iskul, ang mga bias para sa mga graduate ng UP, Ateneo, at DLSU ay di talaga mawawala- ika nga- institutionalized na ang kanilang prestige.

Ang pwede na lang gawin ng ibang paaralan ay sikaping tapatan, o di kaya lagpasan ang mga standard na na-set ng mga institusyon na ito.

Sa totoo lang, maraming mga paaralan ang nagpapatapos ng mga magagaling na estudyante na paminsan minsan at tinatalo pa ang mga gradweyt sa top 3 sa ibang larangan- marami ding karangalan ang mga ibang paaralan na kinikilala na rin sa mundo dahil sa kalidad ng kanilang mga grad, and MSU, EACIT, BSU, PUP at MAPUA ay ilan lang sa mga institusyon na nakikipagsabayan sa top 3.

Pero uulitin ko ang aking parating sinasabi- ang galing o kalidad ng isang tao ay di nagmumula sa kanyang eskwelahan, ang eskwelahan ay rekado lamang - mananaig pa rin ang likas na diskarte, abilidad, at katalinuhan ng isang tao sa larangan na kanyang pinili.

Eh ano ngayon kung gradweyt ka ng UP, Ateneo, o DLSU? kung walang laman ang utak mo kundi kababawan, kung di ka marunong mag-isip para sa iyong sarili, at kung wala kang diskarte- saan ka pupulutin. Di porke gradweyt ka ng UP, Ateneo, at DLSU ay ibig sabihin matalino ka at maabilidad, nasa sa iyo na lang na patunayan na karapat-dapat mong dalhin ang pangalan ng institusyon mo- kung hindi- hanggang pang-impress lang ito.

Ang institusyon mo ay maaaring makatulong para mabuksan ang ilang mga pinto, pero hanggang doon lang- sa huli, ang iyong likas na katalinuhan at abilidad ang magdadala sa iyo sa buhay.

peace po! *peace*

[letsrockandroll]

:rotflmao: letsrockandroll... huwag ka na lang mag ingles kung mali mali rin lang ang pag gamit mo, tinaguriang VP ka (daw) pa naman :glee:

ano ang basis ko? let's just say na ang linya ng trabaho ko ay nasa pang bubugaw (kung di mo gets- HR at recruitment). May access ako sa data ng mga taong napupunta sa mga malalaking kumpanya, at kasama sa data na ito ay kung ano ang kanilang alma mater.

Oo, di lahat ng kumpanya di 100% binibigyan ng preference ang graduate ng UP, Ateneo, o DLSU- depende sa kumpanya at linya ng trabaho na pinag uusapan.

May mga facts ako para suportahan ang statements ko, sa 201 files pa lang at records ng mga dati kong mga company, at mga ibang clients- mas maraming grad ng top 3 (UP, Ateneo, at DLSU) ang nakapwesto sa mga key and management roles sa karamihan ng malalaking kumpanya (oo, may mga taga UST din, may mga taga Adamson, Mapua, UA and P, etc- pero in terms of ratio mas marami pa rin ang galing sa top 3).

Pwede pa akong magkalkal ng ibang info (Time Magazine, CNN, CHED, etc- at di GMAnews tv) pero di ka rin naman maniniwala at ipagpipilitan mo pa rin na may "Big 4" eh :rotflmao:

access sa data my a$$. show me.

remember this?

CHeD, Readers Digest Gold Awards, THES-QS Survey and ASIAWEEK 2000? :rotflmao:

UP
DLSU
ADMU
UST


o sige magkalkal ka pa. let us see.

management roles? my mom is a CEO of an advertising firm/company. and she is a Thomasian.:bashful:

by the way, i am also a lasallite. ;)


yup, its true. some companies tend to be biased in hiring lalo na pa sa school ang pinaguusapan. usually they tend to hire UP, DLSU, ADMU at UST ka galing. whether it would be in the Sciences, Architecture, Accounting or even Engineering.

at bakit ko naman ipagpipilitan ang school ko to be included in the top3? UST can speak for it self. hindi namin kailangan ng some sort of brand marketing to be in the top. duh

[c0Rinthian]

:glee: antigas talaga ng mukha- puro naman ngawa :rotflmao:

andali namang maging CEO o VP eh... pasok ka lang sa family owned business :lol: kahity anung title pwede mong ibigay sa sarili mo

di naman namin ipinagkakaila na maraming magaling na galing sa UST ah, and if UST can speak for itself, bakit para kang bading na palengkerang used car salesman na dakdak ng dakdak at ngawa ng ngawa na pinagpipilitan na kailangan big 4- at di big 3? :lol:

insecure! :glee:

[c0Rinthian]

Top 20 Schools in the Philippines (2007)

These statistics are a result of the study conducted by the Professional Regulations Commission (PRC) and the Commission on Higher Education (CHED), based on the average number of passers in the board examinations of all courses of all universities and colleges in the Philippines. This study is concluded every 10 years. These schools are listed in the following order:

01. UP Diliman

02. UP Los Banos

03. UP Manila

04. Siliman University (Dumaguete City)

05. ADMU Davao

06. ADMU Manila

07. UST Manila

08. Mindanao State University (Iligan Institute of Technology)

09. Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila

10. St. Louis University (Baguio City)

11. University of San Carlos (Cebu City)

12. Xavier University (Cagayan de Oro)

13. Mindanao State University (Main)

14. Urios College (Butuan City)

15. PUP Manila

16. DLSU Manila

17. MIT Manila

18. AdU Manila

19. Central Mindanao University (Bukidnon)

20. University of Southern Philippines (Davao)


pero papano yung mga courses na walang board exam? (Management, Philosophy, Biology, etc?) di pa rin accurate indicator yung data ng CHED

and besides- maraming graduate, na kahit board passer- ay hirap pa ring maghanap ng trabaho.

Best indicator pa rin talaga ay kung anung institutions ang binibigyan ng preference ng malalaking kumpanya.

Ang big 3, ay big 3- di na matitibag yun- ngayon, kung may gustong magpumilit na magsaling pusa at mag ilusyon na may Big 4 (para di masyadong mainsecure) eh di problema na niya yun :lol:

[c0Rinthian]

In the 2008 global "Top 500" ranking, by The Times Higher Education Supplement and consultancy Quacquarelli Symonds (THES-QS), only 2 Philippine universities remained in the list: University of the Philippines (398th in 2007 from 299th in 2006), and Ateneo de Manila (451st from 484th). La Salle and UST dropped out of the Top 500 (519th and 535th, respectively).

[c0Rinthian]

Compare and contrast:

Notable UP Alumni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_the_Philippines_people)

Notable AdMU Alumni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ateneo_de_Manila_University_people)

Notable DLSU Alumni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_De_La_Salle_University-Manila#Alumni)

Notable UST Alumni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Santo_Tomas_people)

[letsrockandroll]

:glee: antigas talaga ng mukha- puro naman ngawa :rotflmao:

andali namang maging CEO o VP eh... pasok ka lang sa family owned business :lol: kahity anung title pwede mong ibigay sa sarili mo

di naman namin ipinagkakaila na maraming magaling na galing sa UST ah, and if UST can speak for itself, bakit para kang bading na palengkerang used car salesman na dakdak ng dakdak at ngawa ng ngawa na pinagpipilitan na kailangan big 4- at di big 3? :lol:

insecure! :glee:

hahaha, insecure?

did i say na family owned business namin yun? afaik, ang naalala ko lang, my mom is a CEO of an advertising company. meaning, isa siya sa mga major stake holder of the said company. pwede ba, magbasa ka ng mabuti. :rotflmao:

palengkera? oh please. kindly read your posts first. :naughty:

hindi accurate ang data ng CHED? oh god, please help me.

o bilis iha, research ka pa.

Ill be just here waiting.

O sige, help na kita.
________________________________________________________

De La Salle University-Manila is a Catholic private university located in Taft Avenue in the district of Malate in Manila, run by the Brothers of the Christian Schools. It is the oldest campus of De La Salle Philippines, .................................

It is also considered among the "Big Four" universities in the country (together with University of the Philippines, Ateneo de Manila University, and University of Santo Tomas).


Eleven fields have been accredited by the Commission on Higher Education as Centers of Excellence, two of which are lone awardees. Additionally, four are accredited as Centers of Development. It is selected by ASEAN along with the University of the Philippines and the Ateneo de Manila University to be part of the ASEAN University Network. The university, together with the Ateneo de Manila University, established the Asian Institute of Management.

It offers programs in undergraduate and graduate levels covering various fields in business and economics, engineering, the sciences, liberal arts, education and computer studies.

[c0Rinthian]

hahaha, insecure?

did i say na family owned business namin yun? afaik, ang naalala ko lang, my mom is a CEO of an advertising company. meaning, isa siya sa mga major stake holder of the said company. pwede ba, magbasa ka ng mabuti.

palengkera? oh please. kindly read your posts first.

hindi accurate ang data ng CHED? oh god, please help me.

o bilis iha, research ka pa.

Ill be just here waiting.

:rotflmao: sabi ko ba na family owned ang business mo? yan ang mahirap sa mga insecure na mouth-breathers kagaya mo eh :glee:

baka ikaw ang kailangang matuto ng reading comprehension :lol:

akala mo ikaw parating pinag uusapan

at, ala akong sinabing di accurate ang data ng CHED :p basahin mo ang sinabi ko, at pilitin mong intindihin.

ang sinasabi ko ay (just in case di mo na gets) - di lahat ng courses sa mga universities ay may board exam, kaya di magiging accurate ang school rankings kung iba-base lang ito sa number of board passers, gets?

yan ang mahirap sa di nag promil eh :lol:

tigilan mo na ang mga growl mo- nakakhiya ka tuloy sa ibang matinong taga-UST- imbest na growling tiger ang dating- eh rabid alley cat ang pino-project mo eh :lol:

[letsrockandroll]

:rotflmao: sabi ko ba na family owned ang business mo? yan ang mahirap sa mga insecure na mouth-breathers kagaya mo eh

baka ikaw ang kailangang matuto ng reading comprehension :lol:

akala mo ikaw parating pinag uusapan

at, ala akong sinabing di accurate ang data ng CHED :p basahin mo ang sinabi ko, at pilitin mong intindihin.

ang sinasabi ko ay (just in case di mo na gets) - di lahat ng courses sa mga universities ay may board exam, kaya di magiging accurate ang school rankings kung iba-base lang ito sa number of board passers, gets?

yan ang mahirap sa di nag promil eh :lol:

tigilan mo na ang mga growl mo- nakakhiya ka tuloy sa ibang matinong taga-UST- imbest na growling tiger ang dating- eh rabid alley cat ang pino-project mo eh :lol:

sus, kungyari ka pa. Family business? read again iha.
ahihi. you should just be Thankful na hindi ka napunta sa company kung saan stakeholder and mom ko and its affiliates! we only hire UP, DLSU, ADMU and UST people.
and that is a FACT!


anyway, what else do i expect from someone who is just an employee? :rotflmao::rotflmao:

[c0Rinthian]

________________________________________________________

De La Salle University-Manila is a Catholic private university located in Taft Avenue in the district of Malate in Manila, run by the Brothers of the Christian Schools. It is the oldest campus of De La Salle Philippines, .................................

It is also considered among the "Big Four" universities in the country (together with University of the Philippines, Ateneo de Manila University, and University of Santo Tomas).


Eleven fields have been accredited by the Commission on Higher Education as Centers of Excellence, two of which are lone awardees. Additionally, four are accredited as Centers of Development. It is selected by ASEAN along with the University of the Philippines and the Ateneo de Manila University to be part of the ASEAN University Network. The university, together with the Ateneo de Manila University, established the Asian Institute of Management.

It offers programs in undergraduate and graduate levels covering various fields in business and economics, engineering, the sciences, liberal arts, education and computer studies.

:rotflmao: iilan lang ang nag-rerefer na big 4 ineng :lol:

sa collective conciousness- eh 3 ang nangingibabaw, kagaya ng holy trinity (father, son, and the holy ghost) 3 meals a day (breakfast, lunch, dinner), 3 musketeers, 3 amigos, 3 kings

the top 3 will always be UP, Ateneo, and DLSU

wag nang pagpilitan pa na top 4 :lol:

[letsrockandroll]

:rotflmao: iilan lang ang nag-rerefer na big 4 ineng :lol:

sa collective conciousness- eh 3 ang nangingibabaw, kagaya ng holy trinity (father, son, and the holy ghost) 3 meals a day (breakfast, lunch, dinner), 3 musketeers, 3 amigos, 3 kings

the top 3 will always be UP, Ateneo, and DLSU

wag nang pagpilitan pa na top 4 :lol:

at sino naman daw sila ineng? aswang?multo?mananaggal?


IPIS perhaps? :rotflmao::rotflmao:

[c0Rinthian]

sus, kungyari ka pa. Family business? read again iha.
ahihi. you should just be Thankful na hindi ka napunta sa company kung saan stakeholder and mom ko and its affiliates! we only hire UP, DLSU, ADMU and UST people.
and that is a FACT!


anyway, what else do i expect from someone who is just an employee? :rotflmao::rotflmao:

:rotflmao: yan ang mahirap sa mga jologs na VP eh, VP nga title- eh ugaling squatter pa din :lol:

eh ano ngayon kung employee lang ako? at least sariling sikap at sariling pawis ang ginamit, at di koneksyon ni Mama at Papa :lol:

o sige na, ipagpilitan mo na yang big 4, para tumahimik ka na- balik ka na sa used car lot mo, baka makabenta ka para maka quota :lol:

[letsrockandroll]

:rotflmao: yan ang mahirap sa mga jologs na VP eh, VP nga title- eh ugaling squatter pa din :lol:

eh ano ngayon kung employee lang ako? at least sariling sikap at sariling pawis ang ginamit, at di koneksyon ni Mama at Papa :lol:

o sige na, ipagpilitan mo na yang big 4, para tumahimik ka na- balik ka na sa used car lot mo, baka makabenta ka para maka quota :lol:

JOLOGS na VP? :rotflmao:

ineng, ang galing mo naman! used car lot? susme, natumpak mo!:rolleyes:

[c0Rinthian]

OK, nalilihis tayo sa original topic (salamat sa isang insecure)- balikan natin ang tanung ng TS.

"Who would you hire? DLSU, UP, AdMU, UST, UA & P and etc?"

Ang sagot, companies don't hire candidates based on school alone, candidates must pass the selection process and criteria set by the company.

To discriminate hiring based on a candidates' school is primitive, and out dated.

Hiring should be based on capability and skills- not your alma mater.
No hard and fast rules here, different companies with different jobs requiring different skill sets choose candidates based on the strengths that each candidates possess.

So in general, each institution/university have their own strengths, and forte. One cannot completely dominate the entire field. And at times, upsets are not uncommon- some relatively unknown institutions stage a coup by landing the top place in board exams- beating the products of the top 3.

[Dacs]

Putsa ang baba naman ng tingin mo sa mga empleyado.

Sige patakbuhin mo yang kompanya mo na wala kami.

[PennState_01]

Can someone please ban letsrockandroll?

I am graduate of UP Diliman, but finished my GS and HS at UST Pay High, but I still love UST.

and I have still strong feeling that letsrockandroll is NOT a THOMASIAN. He is just trolling and deserves to be banned.
Sadly, there are few people who took the bait.

on topic: I wouldn't hire a candidate based on schools.

[c0Rinthian]

JOLOGS na VP? :rotflmao:

ineng, ang galing mo naman! used car lot? susme, natumpak mo!:rolleyes:

but then again, at the end of the day. you will just be an employee. kahit kone-koneksiyon pa yan. :bop:

ok lang na employee lang ako, kung mas-maayos ang buhay ko- at hamak na malaki ang kita ko kaysa sa ibang small-time na jologs na VP :lol:

iba kasing jologs na tao, kailangan ng koneksyon para makakuha ng trabaho eh :lol: di nila kaya ibenta sarili nila, kasi small-time lang :lol:

kukuha lang ng negosyo, eh pagbebenta pa ng kotse :lol: no real skills involved

[c0Rinthian]

Putsa ang baba naman ng tingin mo sa mga empleyado.

Sige patakbuhin mo yang kompanya mo na wala kami.

wak mo na pansinin si Ms. small-time VP :lol: kailangan niyang magyabang para i-offset ang mga insecurities niya eh :glee:

pinagyabang na La Salle daw siya- eh baka La Salle nursery lang tinapos niyan eh :lol:

[c0Rinthian]

BTW, I respect UST and all the decent Thomasians.

I have many friends, and business contacts coming from UST.

Apologies to the decent Thomasians if some of my posts offend you (you know who you are).

I just hope that you'll put a muzzle on the rabid alleycat "Thomasians" who put the rest of the decent Thomasians in a bad light :)

Thank you- peace out! :)

[pagie]

sus, kungyari ka pa. Family business? read again iha.
ahihi. you should just be Thankful na hindi ka napunta sa company kung saan stakeholder and mom ko and its affiliates! we only hire UP, DLSU, ADMU and UST people.
and that is a FACT!


anyway, what else do i expect from someone who is just an employee? :rotflmao::rotflmao:

yan naman ang hirap sa mga insecure, kung alin ang superior sila yun ang gustong gawing sukatan. yung mahihina ang utak gustong gawing pagandahan sa pagwapuhan ang labanan. o kaya dadaanin sa palakihan ng sweldo.:D

dun kase sinusukat ang tao ng mga makikitid ang utak.:bop:

tandaan mo, hindi lahat nangangarap maging VP. karamihan ng gusto maging boss ay dahil gusto niya ng sweldo ng boss.:bop:
me kanya-kanya tayong karakter. me taong ayaw ng malaking responsibilidad dahil mas gusto niya ang simple pero nae-enjoy na buhay.

empleyado ang bumubuhay sa kumpanya. kung VP ka dapat sanay kang mag-manage ng tao, ng empleyado. yan ay kung me leadership skills ka.

pero dahil mapurol nga ang utak mo, hindi mo alam na maraming masasagasaan ang post mo dito.:D

pasalamat din ang mom mo dahil wala ka dun sa kumpanya niya. dahil kung nagkataon sakit ka pa niya ng ulo.:rotflmao:

[pagie]

Can someone please ban letsrockandroll?

I am graduate of UP Diliman, but finished my GS and HS at UST Pay High, but I still love UST.

and I have still strong feeling that letsrockandroll is NOT a THOMASIAN. He is just trolling and deserves to be banned.
Sadly, there are few people who took the bait.

on topic: I wouldn't hire a candidate based on schools.

lasallite daw siya.:rolleyes:

[Kopibun]

Letsrockandroll, ito na po ulit ako, hinintay mo reply ko hindi ba? hehehe.

Huwag na po kasi mag trying hard sa pag-iinggles. Sumasakit ulo ko sa english mo! At tama na ang pagiging insecure mo sa Big 3. Lalo lang napapahiya yung beloved UST mo! :) FYI, ilan beses mo na po nagamit yang phrase mo na "lowly hesitant thinking", pwedeng iba naman? Tingin ka nalang sa dictionary, marami pa pong words doon.

Kilala ko po yan si letsrockandroll, siya po ang dating na-ban na student_01. He finished HS from La Salle - Antipolo, and went to UST for his undergrad (he flunked UPCAT, ACET, DLSUCET, I'm also assuming that he bribed his way to get into UST).

Lagi niyang sinasabing Lasallian siya, but the truth is, hanggang La Salle High school lang siya kasi nga, he flunked the entrance exam of the big 3. Sa makatuwid, hindi lang siya insecure, ambisyoso pa.

[LyricMuse]

Pa-off topic naman, just this once.

letsrockandroll: please.. PLEASE.. for the love of our alma mater (if you're TRULY a Thomasian), stop all your posts! I know that you want to show everyone how good and prestigious and at par with the other institutions are school is. BUT YOUR POSTS DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE!

I am a Thomasian, a proud one, might I add. I am aware that there had been stereotyping of the schools already. but do I care if there is a "big 3/4" and whether we are included in the list? NO! because for all I know and care, even the so-called big-3 schools respect Thomasians. and that is just not because they see us as very capable individuals in our respective fields, but also because we have a high regard for ourselves, yet still humble and striving to be the best of who are.

So, just quit it, ok?! because of people like you, Thomasians get badmouthed. sheesh..

To other posters: please do not generalize us Thomasians just because of some... - well - someone like him.

(LyricMuse is a BS Economics alumna of UST batch 2004)

[c0Rinthian]

I<3 LyricMuse and the rest of the decent Thomasians :D

[Arkaye]

@ letsrockandroll

If you have even a bit of dignity left, I would advise you to stop posting. Not only are you giving other schools a bad name, but you clearly don't even have a good grasp of proper subject-verb agreement. Aside from that, your reading comprehension is just simply terrible.

To top it all off, it is obvious that you are a close-minded person who fails to fully understand and respect other people's opinions.

[c0Rinthian]

enough of the letsrockandroll bashing people...

there is no glory in bashing an obviously inferior irritant :glee:

moving forward, let's resume our intellectual masturbation, and go back to the original topic :)

[renwock]

Sikat talaga si letsrockandroll. Kahit saan basta may UST go lang. He/She/it has caught my attenion once sa sub-forum. He/She/it is really giving his/her/its school a bad reputation. I know lots of people from UST, matitino naman sila. Naiiba ito. :bop:

[dawson_khaled]

tanong lang ha? bakit ba kelangan BIG 4?

bakit di na lang big 5? or better yet, BIG 10! the more the merrier nga daw di ba?

[c0Rinthian]

tanong lang ha? bakit ba kelangan BIG 4?

bakit di na lang big 5? or better yet, BIG 10! the more the merrier nga daw di ba?

anung 4? :angry: 3 lang ano :p

mas madaling tandaan kung 3 eh :naughty:

pero honestly, kesyo big 3, big 4, o big 10- ay wala pa ring masyadong bearing ito sa pagpili ng mga employer sa kanilang kukunin na bagong empleyado.

Oo nga, gradweyt ka nga sa isang paaralan na nabibilang sa top 3.... pero kung di ka pinalad, at wala ka namang natutunan o wala ka namang ibubuga, bakit ka nila tatanggapin?

[MisterHappy]

Kahapon lang may nabasa akong isang kumpanya na naghahanap ng grads ng La salle, UST, UA&P, at Ateneo.

Bwiset na bias 'yan! :grrr:

[c0Rinthian]

Kahapon lang may nabasa akong isang kumpanya na naghahanap ng grads ng La salle, UST, UA&P, at Ateneo.

Bwiset na bias 'yan! :grrr:

wag kang mag-alala, di naman lalapit diyan yung matitinong gradweyt ng ano mang iskwelahan.

siguro, may mag aaply diyan na galing UP, DLSU, Ateneo, at UA and P... pero yung mga latak at patapon na lang ng mga iskwelahan na iyon ang mag a apply :lol:

biruin mo, basis nila ng pag-hire ay di ang kagalingan at katalinuhan mo, ang basis nila dapat may parchment/sheepskin ka na may tatak na "UP", "Ateneo", "DLSU", o "UA and P"... eh andali lang namang magpagawa ng diploma sa kahit anung kolehiyo sa Recto :lol:

kadalasan, small time lang na kumpanya na cheap ang gumagawa ng mga ad na ganyan (o- may pagka obobs yng HR na gumawa ng ad).

[raldsedge]

Share ko lang, nung newly grad ako pag nag aapply kami ng barkada ko ako lagi ang nasa waiting list or worst di tinatawagan kasi average student ako nung college at the same time di graduate sa SO-CALLED BIG 3 UNIVERSITIES. But after a year and a half ako ang nakakuha ng BEST OFFERED SALARY AND POSITION IN A WELL-KNOWN IT COMPANY! And once nagkasabay ulit kami nung other friend ko na mag apply in a certain company. Ako ang tinawagan over my friend na graduate sa isang kilalang university. And when I turned down the offer for some reason hindi naman daw sya tinawagan. How come then? So for me hindi laging BIG 3 o 4 or reputable universities ang basis ng company. Siguro pag newly graduate ka yun ang basis nila pero pag nag wo-work ka na ng almost one year I think sa experience na nila tinitingnan and sa feedback ng previous employers natin. But then, Im not sure sa higher position like managerial post, I think company prefer a graduate from BIG 3 when it comes to those post syempre naman (hindi ko makikipag talo) I believe na mas maganda talaga ang leadership training ng mga universities na yun. Base na rin sa mga naka-trabaho ko na graduate sa BIG 3 university.

[MisterHappy]

I believe na mas maganda talaga ang leadership training ng mga universities na yun. Base na rin sa mga naka-trabaho ko na graduate sa BIG 3 university.

May point ka diyan. Hindi ko sinasabi na hindi magagaling ang hindi grads ng Ateneo, La Salle, UST, etc. Pero pagdating sa leadership din kasi eh hataw ang mga grad ng top schools na ito.

[Galvantic@STS]

Originally Posted by Fenix
This is based on my experience. I was present when my boss was selecting applicants' resumes for interview.
When he saw this guy from UP, sabi nya: "ayoko nito, siguradong reklamador ito".

baka naman nakalagay sa resume nung UP grad eh ganito.

Organization/Affiliation:

League of Filipino Students
CPP-NPA UP Diliman Chapter

tapos American pa ang magiging boss.

:lol:

[pagie]

baka naman nakalagay sa resume nung UP grad eh ganito.

Organization/Affiliation:

League of Filipino Students
CPP-NPA UP Diliman Chapter

tapos American pa ang magiging boss.

:lol:

ang mga aktibista ay mahuhusay na lider. kahit saan mo sila dalhin, sa community, sa organisasyon, sa opisina... mangingibabaw ang husay nila sa paghawak ng org o team.:bop:

kung ihahambing natin ang traditional na lider sa isang aktibista, makikita natin ang pagkakaiba. yan ang tinatawag na "leader VS manager".

Sa ngayon mas uso na ang people oriented leadership. unti-unti ay napapalitan na ang "manager" type of leadership. kaya ang ibang kumpanya ay di na rin takot sa mga skul na kilalang balwarte ng mga leftist.:)

[c0Rinthian]

baka naman nakalagay sa resume nung UP grad eh ganito.

Organization/Affiliation:

League of Filipino Students
CPP-NPA UP Diliman Chapter

tapos American pa ang magiging boss.

:lol:

:rotflmao:

Tapos, pag babasahin mo pa ang ibang entries sa CV:

Organizational Affiliation:
Samahang Kabatataan :lol:
Gabriela-Youth
Bayan-Youth

Extra curricular activities:
Mobilization of oppressed workers against imperial capitalists
Facilitated pillbox making workshop for aspiring rallyists
Created a manual on "How to avoid arrest in a rally"

:lol:

[pagie]

Kung PUPean ka, ilagay mo achievements mo na isa ka sa nagmobilize ng estudyante para labanan ang 50cents/unit tuition fee increase kaya hanggang ngayon P12/unit pa rin.:lol:

[greenhills_kid]

I think it still depends on how the person does in the interview. Kasi no matter you came from UP, UST,Ateneo or La Salle, it doesn't equate na magaling ka na.
All schools has their share of what we call rotten tomatoes. Although mas konti lang compared sa other schools. :D
Basta when I was in college, never nawala ang patience ko and never had a bad day because of the "not-so-smart-people" around me.
And now that I am working, I get to deal with different kinds of people and sobrang irritating talaga yung iba. As in mapapa isip ka na may mga tao pala na ganun ka-slow.

[gwaping17]

Moderators, move this thread to Campus Chat already. Pangdagdag sa mga university wars dun :)

[pagie]

No. this is work related topic and one of the good threads here.

[c0Rinthian]

Things not to say during an interview (part 1):

"Sabi kasi ng professor ko na dahil graduate kami sa *insert your school here* ay dapat daw na ganyan ang hingin naming salary eh"

Instead of saying that, do some research on the prevailing market rates- and adjust accordingly depending on how qualified you are.

[shellfish]

Things not to say during an interview (part 1):

"Sabi kasi ng professor ko na dahil graduate kami sa *insert your school here* ay dapat daw na ganyan ang hingin naming salary eh"



meron talaga nagsasabi niyan? ibang klase yun ha... :confused:

[questorminator]

^^Ako nga naka encounter ng:
Question: Why do you think you deserve this job?
Answer: Because I am an Atenean and I can do this job better than anyone else.

5 months later he was terminated due to poor performance.

[zevil89]

hi. Im from a big 3 university and trust me university doesnt necessarily mean na magaling ka. There are people who graduate computer science without knowing object oriented programming kasi group work lagi ang projects may iba freeload kaya walang natututunan.

Anyway hindi rin ako sumali sa mga leadership thingies na student organization kasi feel ko i'd rather have a skill something people doesnt have and something I could actually make money from. I took japanese language and im planning to take it till translator level.

[karme13]

I would hire someone from Ricky Reyes Institute, kasi bongga!

[Noyz]

A teacher in UP once told me that UP is UP not because of the teachers but because of the students. I think that this is so true. I think teachers in schools like UST are better than those in UP. It's just that the same culture that some bloggers here suggest is driving employers to look more favorably on graduates of so-called ivy league schools like Ateneo, UP, etc. is also driving more high school graduates to vie for admission in these schools, so that these schools get more of the "better" graduates. It's in UP, for example, where you find the most impressive collection of high school valedictorians, salutatorians and NCEE ninety-niners.

Unfortunately, students from UP seem to be becoming increasingly well aware of this, so much so that many are becoming overly arrogant. I have seen students from the UP College of Medicine, for example, severely criticize lecturers during student evaluations, bloating perceived weaknesses, all because the lecturers exercised some daring in admonishing them on one or two occasions about talking among themselves during class, or in asking them to exert more effort to listen to lectures and not to expect everything to be all fun and games. It's one thing to think you're better than your teachers (a mark of self-confidence and an ability to think critically, which can be virtues), it's another thing to actually disrespect your teachers because you think you're better than them.

That the administration of the College, perhaps even the entire University, condones this attitude, does not help much in remedying the situation. Systems are set up giving students more power, which would have been fine, if only they are also taught how not to abuse that power. As a result, teachers become more timid and fearful of students (even if more popular to them). Teaching becomes a popularity contest, a form of entertainment. Good teachers are those who can "sing and dance" well. Never mind actual teaching. After all, these are bright students. They can teach themselves.

So if I were an employer, would I look more favorably on a job applicant who graduated from UP? I would certainly think that he or she is probably intelligent (although mind you, there are also UP graduates who are not too bright). But there is more to character than intelligence that makes for a good employee. There is also courtesy and respect and humility. On these and other traits, I would not be too sure of the UP graduate.

[Viva La Tigresa]

There is such a thing as big 3/top 3.

Then there is the Biggest One -- the University of Santo Tomas.

:)

[car_racer]

try to test a person when he's battle scared and all, and you'll see a Thomasian shine..attitude makes Thomasians differ, clear cut from the rest. viva UST

[c0Rinthian]

:glee: shameless self-promotion = insecurity

vague quantifiers, and flowery words is no substitute for reality

well, if you wanna put up your own mutual admiration society, karapatan niyo yan :glee:

tatawanan lang kayo ng mga matitino na mga alumni ninyo na di kasing insecure ninyo :lol:

[Viva La Tigresa]

Ergo, upestas, ateneans, and la sallians are insecure.

:lol:

[Jeffreyw]

I friend of mine who works for a top 3 computer company in the world complains of the school competition that's happening inside their office.

Their head is so arrogant daw, that the job she only know is just delegate the tasks and treats her subordinates like second citizens.

The head is a graduate of this school and her sub managers are graduates of those other universities. It's like her chance of getting even, corporate style.

I'm a graduate of a unversity in Cebu and have been working in Manila for two years now, i realized that those big 4 daw, are just overhyped.

[Viva La Tigresa]

There's no such thing as big 4. Big 3 kuno ang meron.

Then there's the Biggest One -- The University of Santo Tomas.

:)

[Illuminatus]

^wow, you really need to rub it in ano?

[Viva La Tigresa]

Oh, do I? I'm just stating a fact.

:)

[letsrockandroll]

to quote hunter_alchmst:

Sige na big 3 nalang. All I know is, we, Thomasians, do not just rely on mere speculations, biases, and review center advertisements.

Evidences:

Thes-QS 2006:
UP
DLSU
ADMU
UST

Thes-QS 2007:
UP
ADMU
-------(beyond 500)
DLSU
UST

ASIAWEEK 2000
UP
DLSU
ADMU
UST

Reader's Digest May 2007 Most Trusted brands (University Category)
DLSU
Up
UST

Reader's Digest May 2008 Most Trusted Brands (University Category)
ADMU (new entry)
DLSU
UP
UST

Big 3 lang talaga. there's no big 4.
Because UST does not need to belong to the other three, since it exists and excels in its own right.

If being a PONTIFICAL university is not enough...
If being the CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES is not enough...
If having been visited by two Supreme Pontiff is not enough...
If having produced saints, presidents, and national heroes is not enough...

then I give you this...

After the reading of the papal bull from the Vatican’s Sacred Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries that confirmed De la Rosa’s election as rector, Prior Provincial Fr. Quirico Pedregosa, O.P. of the Philippine Dominican Province administered the solemn oath of office for De la Rosa. He and Commissioner Nona Ricafort of the Commission on Higher Education (Ched) later assisted De la Rosa in wearing the rector’s medallion.

New Excecutive Vice Rector Fr. Pablo Tiong, O.P. and Vice-Rector for Academic Affairs Prof. Clarita Carillo then handed over the maces to De la Rosa to symbolize both his spiritual and academic authority over the Pontifical University.

In his acceptance speech, which became the traditional discurso de apertura or lecture to open the new academic year, De la Rosa paid tribute to UST’s longevity and history of excellence.

“Despite several colonial battles, two World Wars, countless calamities, economic and political disasters, UST did not only survive, it has prevailed,” De la Rosa said. “The University has evolved into something its founder never dreamt of.”

The Rector added that despite its spectacular growth and development, UST “remains faithful to its identity as a Catholic University.”

Its association with the Catholic Church is what drives UST to strive for excellence, De la Rosa pointed out.

He said UST has been declared by the Ched as “the private school with the most number of Centers of Excellence and Centers of Development.”

De la Rosa added that based on the study, “Philippine Higher Education in the 21st Century: Toward Excellence and Equity,” UST is the top private university in the country offering “excellent” education, according to several embassies mainly of western states.

“It is amazing how UST could maintain such a high standard of education considering that it is not a state university like UP that receives immense subsidy from the government,” De la Rosa said. “UST’s tuition is relatively lower than that of elitist schools patronized by rich Filipinos.”

He expressed thanks to his predecessors, Fr. Tamerlane Lana, O.P. and Fr. Ernesto Arceo, O.P., “for their generosity and their previous accomplishments.”

He also expressed his thanks to his siblings and foster parents, Bernie and Gloria Pamintuan.

Alumni tribute

De la Rosa paid tribute to UST alumni who “embody the struggle for truth and beauty” of UST.

He particularly made mention of the Thomasian martyrs of the Spanish civil war who were beatified last October 28.

“Throughout its 400 years of existence, the University has produced not only four presidents of the country (at least the better ones), legal luminaries, excellent political leaders, oustanding academicians, model professionals, exemplary bishops, religious and priests, but also national heroes and canonized saints,” the Rector said. “Are we not fortunate to belong to such a circle by simply being called Thomasians?”

There is only a Big 3. No Big 4. And only ONE UST

end of Quote.

and to answer:

UST the biggest one? haha I agree. UST has been always there and can be considered to be a big threat to the other three schools mentioned above. Moreover, UST is the OLDEST university in Asia;

The University of Santo Tomas is

The Pontifical University of the Philippines
The Royal University of the Philippines
The Catholic University of the Philippines.

The University of Santo Tomas has the most number of COE's and COD's in the country.

The University of Santo Tomas has been very consistent in board exams such as Pharmacy, Medical technology, Medicine, Accounting or what have you.

UST is the center for contextualized theology in Asia.

UST is the number 1 private medicine school in the Philippines (according to the Commission on higher education)

UST not only produced top-notch professionals (like doctors) in the country, but it also produced 4 presidents, Saints, Artists, media Personnel and Supreme Court justices, like for an example, the recent elected Sandigan-bayan residing justice Diosdado M. Peralta et al. (Source: www.ust.edu.ph)
Just my two cents.

Proud to be Thomasians @ 400!
Imbued with Unending grace

An1mo La Salle!
One De La Salle Philippines!

[Noyz]

Our HS salutatorian went to UPD while the valedictorian went to Xavier U. in Cagayan de Oro. My point is that colleges and universities in the South (Visayas, Mindanao) also get very good HS grads. They're just not getting much hype.

But in view of the fact that most top HS grads go to schools in MM, if an employer goes by statistics, he or she would probably have a better chance of getting quality employees from these MM colleges and universities, or at least that appears to be the logic in there. I find this unfortunate (despite having graduated from UPD, UPM and ADMU) because, like I pointed out in a previous blog entry, there are other personal qualities that make for a good employee that just cannot be measured by how prominent the school he or she graduated from.

I think there are talents from among graduates of southern schools just waiting to be tapped. I think these talents ought to get their fair share of the opportunities.

[Jeffreyw]

Graduates from the south schools or provincial universities from Luzon (Ilocos, Bagiuo etc) make better employees comparing those big 4 grads.

An analogy is like working in a foreign land. A Filipino worker tend to work harder if they're not in the Philippines. Thus a promdi alumnus working in Manila make a better employee than those who graduated from the big 4 (kuno).

[vanillaicecream]

Eto for OJTs... based on personal experience.

I need 6 OJTs to do clerical/admin work; so basically it's filing, tracking, encoding, and other adhoc tasks. I've hired and worked with a lot of OJTs from various schools -- DLSU, AdMU, UST, APC, FEU, Bulacan State U, PUP, CSB, Miriam, St. Paul, basta sobrang dami na. Honestly, the OJTs I've hired from DLSU and ADMU are really superior compared to the others. As in andami na naming OJT from other schools na medyo engot talaga.. as in nakakaiyak... frustrating.

Personally, I don't have any school preference coz the work that they are doing is purely clerical. Most of our OJTs come from lesser known schools coz we want to give chance to them, and we know that the allowance will really help them. But still, work output of those from the top schools is really better than the others; plus, they always bring something more to the table. I had 2 OJTs both from DLSU and on their last day, they gave me a step by step guide of their tasks, complete with screenshots. One AdMU OJT was soo good in Excel, she ended up teaching us. Meron naman iba from other schools na OK, but they are a minority. I've worked with probably 50 OJTs already and those that really stand out come from the top schools.

My favorite OJT though was from RTU and she was really efficient, hard working, and dedicated. My only apprehension in hiring her as an employee is her oral & written comm skills.... And that's the first thing we see when we hire employees. So there.. Just an observation...

[Viva La Tigresa]

Graduates from the south schools or provincial universities from Luzon (Ilocos, Bagiuo etc) make better employees comparing those big 4 grads.

An analogy is like working in a foreign land. A Filipino worker tend to work harder if they're not in the Philippines. Thus a promdi alumnus working in Manila make a better employee than those who graduated from the big 4 (kuno).

Sorry but it's not big 4. It's big 3 (kuno, as you want to put it). :D

The problem with students/alumni from the so-called big 3 (kuno) is that they think they are the most intelligent people in RP. Ang dami diyan may superiority complex eh mga obobs naman.

Nakakatuwa kasi "kuno" lang naman talaga sila. Ang alam kong big-3 talaga eh Shell, Caltex at Petron at hindi up, ateneo, la salle. Sus ginoo. Patatawarin. Mas magagaling pa mga taga-pup at ibang State Us sa Mindanao kesa sa mga 'yan.

[MisterHappy]

Quick question mga katoto: Halimbawang hindi ako grad ng La Salle, UST, Ateneo, etc. tapos may nakita akong job ad na may preference sa mga school na ito, hindi ba ako pagtatataasan ng mga kilay ng mga tao sa HR o kaya naman ay nakakahiyang mag-apply kahit hindi ako grad ng mga tinitingalang school na 'yan? O pakapalan lang ng mukha 'yan talaga? Hehehe :laugh:

[Jeffreyw]

Could differ with a task or a job. Since majority of the graduates/students of the big 4 are the "haves" - they could afford to have their own computers.

Not a first hand experience, but i heard from friend who works as a nurse. Nurses from the provinces are more efficient or have the guts to do the dirty work, hugas tae sa pasyente all that stuff.



Eto for OJTs... based on personal experience.

I need 6 OJTs to do clerical/admin work; so basically it's filing, tracking, encoding, and other adhoc tasks. I've hired and worked with a lot of OJTs from various schools -- DLSU, AdMU, UST, APC, FEU, Bulacan State U, PUP, CSB, Miriam, St. Paul, basta sobrang dami na. Honestly, the OJTs I've hired from DLSU and ADMU are really superior compared to the others. As in andami na naming OJT from other schools na medyo engot talaga.. as in nakakaiyak... frustrating.

Personally, I don't have any school preference coz the work that they are doing is purely clerical. Most of our OJTs come from lesser known schools coz we want to give chance to them, and we know that the allowance will really help them. But still, work output of those from the top schools is really better than the others; plus, they always bring something more to the table. I had 2 OJTs both from DLSU and on their last day, they gave me a step by step guide of their tasks, complete with screenshots. One AdMU OJT was soo good in Excel, she ended up teaching us. Meron naman iba from other schools na OK, but they are a minority. I've worked with probably 50 OJTs already and those that really stand out come from the top schools.

My favorite OJT though was from RTU and she was really efficient, hard working, and dedicated. My only apprehension in hiring her as an employee is her oral & written comm skills.... And that's the first thing we see when we hire employees. So there.. Just an observation...

[Dacs]

Wag naman ibahin ang topic.

Di naman ito tungkol sa "big three" or sa "only one eh".

Stick to the topic please.

I think I've given my 2 cents here, but anyways, I would hire someone who fits in the criteria, regardless of the school he/she graduated from.

Although I must admit the perception of the "big 3/4" really exists. Exist as it may, it's just a "perception". I've worked with people from those schools and I've experienced both ends of the spectrum.

Yun lang :D

[Noyz]

vanillaicecream, good for you... so long as you keep giving graduates of schools in Mindanao, Visayas, and, yes, Luzon (outside NCR) nga rin pala, a chance.

But then, for graduates of these schools, you're probably better off staying in your respective provinces. Aside from having to contend with the prevailing bias for certain schools (for valid or not so valid reasons), Metro Manila is already too crowded and the cost of living is higher.

[yoroshikuonegai]

DLSU, UP, ADMU and UST deserves their credit kasi mahirap talaga makakuha ng degree sa mga universities na yan. Ilang dugo't pawis, bagsak na exams, long projects and maarte na prof ang nadaanan ng mga students dyan bago kaya sila makagraduate.

Though I still believe your school doesnt mean everything, having a good school does say something concrete about you :)

[pagie]

oo nga, kaya tama na insecurities ng mga Thomasians. Ano magagawa niyo, di talaga kayo magaling. hehehe...
joke lang po. :)

[batangmarikit]

para sa akin, i would hire UP. pero sa sitwasyon ko ngayon, parang ayaw akong i-hire ng pinag aapplyan ko dahil taga-UP ako.

[pagie]

dapat kasi iniwan mo muna ang plakard mo sa labas bago ka nag-apply. :D
Sabi ng IT manager ko dati ayaw niya ng mga taga-UP, ayaw niya ng mataas ang IQ, kasi marunong pa sa 'yo. Dapat daw nga ganyan abogado o kaya may-ari ng kumpanya. Kahit nga hindi UP pag mataas score sa IQ test ayaw na niya.

well, kung ako ang HR magha-hire ako depende sa nature ng company. kung english (oral) communication ang kelangan eh ateneo or la salle (yoko pa rin sa UST :lol: ) Pero kung IT andyan ang PUP, Mapua, UP. Kung Law UP pa rin at Ateneo. Tapos pag sales UST. hehehe...:lol: oh di ba, galing nila sa marketing, husay ng promotion, ang hahaba ng post.*peace*

[c0Rinthian]

Walaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! the Best pa rin ang Matute at Cora Doloroso!!!

Walang binatbat ang top 3 na yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!! :lol:

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Guzman Institute foreveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!

RAWR!!!








*pasensya na... may nagpipintura sa kabilang office.... yung fumes nakaka high eh :glee:

[emanresu]

Who care's kung nasa top 3/4 ka hehehe. I will hire yung very hard working na masunurin at alam ang ginagawa niya. At siyempre hindi PEX addict. LOL

[altair]

Graduates from the south schools or provincial universities from Luzon (Ilocos, Bagiuo etc) make better employees comparing those big 4 grads.

An analogy is like working in a foreign land. A Filipino worker tend to work harder if they're not in the Philippines. Thus a promdi alumnus working in Manila make a better employee than those who graduated from the big 4 (kuno).

do you have data to back that up?
otherwise, you are spewing b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t

[altair]

Sorry but it's not big 4. It's big 3 (kuno, as you want to put it). :D

The problem with students/alumni from the so-called big 3 (kuno) is that they think they are the most intelligent people in RP. Ang dami diyan may superiority complex eh mga obobs naman.

Nakakatuwa kasi "kuno" lang naman talaga sila. Ang alam kong big-3 talaga eh Shell, Caltex at Petron at hindi up, ateneo, la salle. Sus ginoo. Patatawarin. Mas magagaling pa mga taga-pup at ibang State Us sa Mindanao kesa sa mga 'yan.

do you have data to back that up?
all i know is that you need to compete with 70,000 applicants to get into UP (around 3,000 get admitted)

when i was in Kalayaan, most probinsiyanos I knew were either no. 1 or no 2 in their high schools

in my freshman classes, most of my classmates were also in the top 10% of their high school classes

most intelligent people in RP?
must be

[c0Rinthian]

do you have data to back that up?
all i know is that you need to compete with 70,000 applicants to get into UP (around 3,000 get admitted)

when i was in Kalayaan, most probinsiyanos I knew were either no. 1 or no 2 in their high schools

in my freshman classes, most of my classmates were also in the top 10% of their high school classes

most intelligent people in RP?
must be

MATUTE FOREVER!!! :lol:


but seriously, i wouldn't hire a person based on his/her alma mater- what's the use kung galing ka sa "best" school- eh nasa bottom 1% ka naman?

problema sa mga ibang insecure na tao, ala nang ibang ipagyayabang kundi ang kanilang alma mater- kaya pinagpipilitan ng todo na "best" daw :glee:

problema, sila-sila lang naniniwala sa kanilang delusyon :lol:

wala sa iskul yan- nasa tao *okay*

[altair]

Quick question mga katoto: Halimbawang hindi ako grad ng La Salle, UST, Ateneo, etc. tapos may nakita akong job ad na may preference sa mga school na ito, hindi ba ako pagtatataasan ng mga kilay ng mga tao sa HR o kaya naman ay nakakahiyang mag-apply kahit hindi ako grad ng mga tinitingalang school na 'yan? O pakapalan lang ng mukha 'yan talaga? Hehehe :laugh:

if you believe in your capabilities, then, by all means, CHAAARGE!!!

you see, when you are from a top notch school, it is not only the actual things or thought processes that the school taught you that matter, the "ere" and self confidence also count a lot. you don't take s.h.i.t from anybody. if somebody tells you that something could not be done, you give them the finger. and that, for some industries, is very important

[altair]

Could differ with a task or a job. Since majority of the graduates/students of the big 4 are the "haves" - they could afford to have their own computers.

Not a first hand experience, but i heard from friend who works as a nurse. Nurses from the provinces are more efficient or have the guts to do the dirty work, hugas tae sa pasyente all that stuff.

UP nursing graduates are supposed to lead
hugas tae not included

[altair]

dapat kasi iniwan mo muna ang plakard mo sa labas bago ka nag-apply. :D
Sabi ng IT manager ko dati ayaw niya ng mga taga-UP, ayaw niya ng mataas ang IQ, kasi marunong pa sa 'yo. Dapat daw nga ganyan abogado o kaya may-ari ng kumpanya. Kahit nga hindi UP pag mataas score sa IQ test ayaw na niya.



that workplace must be a wasteland...
abhors intelligence...
must be a b.i.t.c.h working there

[c0Rinthian]

Graduates from the south schools or provincial universities from Luzon (Ilocos, Bagiuo etc) make better employees comparing those big 4 grads.

An analogy is like working in a foreign land. A Filipino worker tend to work harder if they're not in the Philippines. Thus a promdi alumnus working in Manila make a better employee than those who graduated from the big 4 (kuno).

you're right.... some people have to work harder... but not because the want to, but because they have to.

me? i prefer to work smart :naughty:

some people need to put in 10 hours a day to finish a task that others can do in 4 hours ;)

anyway, .. yun lang po :p

[c0Rinthian]

It all boils down to the fact some some companies prefer to have graduates from elite schools in their ranks.

The brutal truth is- not everyone can be elite.

In sociology as in general usage, the élite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, which enjoys a privileged status envied by individuals of lower social status.

Not everyone has the brains or capacity to graduate from the top 3 schools. Not everyone can win in a beauty pageant. Not everyone can graduate with honors. Not everyone could have good luck and good health.

Heck- not even everyone who passed the entrance exams to the top 3 could even graduate from the top 3.

It's an unfair world- make it unfair to your own advantage :D

The fact is, graduates from the top 3 (UP, Ateneo, and DLSU) are educated to lead, innovate, and be critical.

While common public and private education is often designed to educate the general population to produce knowledgeable and skilled citizens, the elite approach to education is often presented at a more intellectual and demanding level, and is geared to produce leaders of a sort.

It can be idealized as an education geared to producing an individual capable of thinking at an intellectual level more advanced than the general population, consisting of diverse philosophical ideals and theories in order to enable the elite to logically evaluate situations.

I'm not saying that grads from schools who don't belong to the top 3 are inferior, it's just that- in the collective consciousness- it is assumed by the general public that it takes a lot of skill, intelligence, and luck (not to mention money) to get into- and finish from these prestigious institutions.

[kaningbrown]

UP nursing graduates are supposed to lead
hugas tae not included
It's this sort of righteousness that employers avoid in graduates from "top banana" schools. Freshgrads coming from popular schools expect to be treated with higher regard, as though career progression is not a reward, but a right bestowed upon after getting a diploma.

From what little hiring experience I've had in my current company, it's not really about the school names. Whoever gives the lowest offer in exchange for the highest competence wins.

[letsrockandroll]

Repost: sa inyo na yang big 3 na yan :glee:

to quote hunter_alchmst:

Sige na big 3 nalang. All I know is, we, Thomasians, do not just rely on mere speculations, biases, and review center advertisements.

Evidences:

Thes-QS 2006:
UP
DLSU
ADMU
UST

Thes-QS 2007:
UP
ADMU
-------(beyond 500)
DLSU
UST

ASIAWEEK 2000
UP
DLSU
ADMU
UST

Reader's Digest May 2007 Most Trusted brands (University Category)
DLSU
Up
UST

Reader's Digest May 2008 Most Trusted Brands (University Category)
ADMU (new entry)
DLSU
UP
UST

Big 3 lang talaga. there's no big 4.
Because UST does not need to belong to the other three, since it exists and excels in its own right.

If being a PONTIFICAL university is not enough...
If being the CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES is not enough...
If having been visited by two Supreme Pontiff is not enough...
If having produced saints, presidents, and national heroes is not enough...

then I give you this...

After the reading of the papal bull from the Vatican’s Sacred Congregation for Catholic Education and Seminaries that confirmed De la Rosa’s election as rector, Prior Provincial Fr. Quirico Pedregosa, O.P. of the Philippine Dominican Province administered the solemn oath of office for De la Rosa. He and Commissioner Nona Ricafort of the Commission on Higher Education (Ched) later assisted De la Rosa in wearing the rector’s medallion.

New Excecutive Vice Rector Fr. Pablo Tiong, O.P. and Vice-Rector for Academic Affairs Prof. Clarita Carillo then handed over the maces to De la Rosa to symbolize both his spiritual and academic authority over the Pontifical University.

In his acceptance speech, which became the traditional discurso de apertura or lecture to open the new academic year, De la Rosa paid tribute to UST’s longevity and history of excellence.

“Despite several colonial battles, two World Wars, countless calamities, economic and political disasters, UST did not only survive, it has prevailed,” De la Rosa said. “The University has evolved into something its founder never dreamt of.”

The Rector added that despite its spectacular growth and development, UST “remains faithful to its identity as a Catholic University.”

Its association with the Catholic Church is what drives UST to strive for excellence, De la Rosa pointed out.

He said UST has been declared by the Ched as “the private school with the most number of Centers of Excellence and Centers of Development.”

De la Rosa added that based on the study, “Philippine Higher Education in the 21st Century: Toward Excellence and Equity,” UST is the top private university in the country offering “excellent” education, according to several embassies mainly of western states.

“It is amazing how UST could maintain such a high standard of education considering that it is not a state university like UP that receives immense subsidy from the government,” De la Rosa said. “UST’s tuition is relatively lower than that of elitist schools patronized by rich Filipinos.”

He expressed thanks to his predecessors, Fr. Tamerlane Lana, O.P. and Fr. Ernesto Arceo, O.P., “for their generosity and their previous accomplishments.”

He also expressed his thanks to his siblings and foster parents, Bernie and Gloria Pamintuan.

Alumni tribute

De la Rosa paid tribute to UST alumni who “embody the struggle for truth and beauty” of UST.

He particularly made mention of the Thomasian martyrs of the Spanish civil war who were beatified last October 28.

“Throughout its 400 years of existence, the University has produced not only four presidents of the country (at least the better ones), legal luminaries, excellent political leaders, oustanding academicians, model professionals, exemplary bishops, religious and priests, but also national heroes and canonized saints,” the Rector said. “Are we not fortunate to belong to such a circle by simply being called Thomasians?”

There is only a Big 3. No Big 4. And only ONE UST

end of Quote.

and to answer:

UST the biggest one? haha I agree. UST has been always there and can be considered to be a big threat to the other three schools mentioned above. Moreover, UST is the OLDEST university in Asia;

The University of Santo Tomas is

The Pontifical University of the Philippines
The Royal University of the Philippines
The Catholic University of the Philippines.

The University of Santo Tomas has the most number of COE's and COD's in the country.

The University of Santo Tomas has been very consistent in board exams such as Pharmacy, Medical technology, Medicine, Accounting or what have you.

UST is the center for contextualized theology in Asia.

UST is the number 1 private medicine school in the Philippines (according to the Commission on higher education)

UST not only produced top-notch professionals (like doctors) in the country, but it also produced 4 presidents, Saints, Artists, media Personnel and Supreme Court justices, like for an example, the recent elected Sandigan-bayan residing justice Diosdado M. Peralta et al. (Source: www.ust.edu.ph)
Just my two cents.

Proud to be Thomasians @ 400!
Imbued with Unending grace

An1mo La Salle!
One De La Salle Philippines!

[spiceisland]

well, kung ako ang HR magha-hire ako depende sa nature ng company. kung english (oral) communication ang kelangan eh ateneo or la salle (yoko pa rin sa UST :lol: ) Pero kung IT andyan ang PUP, Mapua, UP. Kung Law UP pa rin at Ateneo. Tapos pag sales UST. hehehe...:lol: oh di ba, galing nila sa marketing, husay ng promotion, ang hahaba ng post.*peace*

Hindi naman effective. Ma-turn off pa mga tao, wala ring bibili.

[c0Rinthian]

:glee: pagbigyan niyo na, wak na lang patulan - ganyan talaga mga di pinapansin, nagpapapansin sa pagpost ng walang saysay na bagay para lang mapansin :lol:

ANIMO MATUTE!!!!

[S_C_U_D]

^Eh ikaw may saysay ba ang mga posts mo?

[S_C_U_D]

oo nga, kaya tama na insecurities ng mga Thomasians. Ano magagawa niyo, di talaga kayo magaling. hehehe...
joke lang po. :)

Sa totoo lang ate, wala akong nakikitang Thomasian na insecure.

Magbasa ka muna sa diksyunaryo kung anong ang ibig sabihin ng INSECURITY.

Ang mga taong "insecure", yan yung mga taong hindi makatayo sa sarili nilang paa kapag hindi nila binabanggit ang pangalan ng kanilang eskwelahan. Sila yung mga taong feeling "secure" dahil nakasandal sa pader ng kanilang eskwelahan. Kapag inalis mo yan, eh bagsak sila dahil alam nilang wala silang binatbat.

Wag mong isipin na gustong makisiksik ng UST sa BIG 3 ni corinthian. Dahil ang taong yan lutang na lutang ang insecurity at talaga namang walang binatbat.

[S_C_U_D]

Back to topic..

Who would I hire?

Aba naman! siyempre gusto kong kunin ang mga taga UP, Ateneo at DLSU para magrabaho sakin.

[letsrockandroll]

^^ ganyan dapat ang mga posts!! ako rin UP Ateneo at La salle! :glee: the so called pinaka "uber" sa SOLID! big three!!

happy corinthian?

non-sense post ko? i dont think so. i quoted the speech of the father rector of the Pontifical university that was APPOINTED by the vatican! per se. :)

[Viva La Tigresa]

Back to topic..

Who would I hire?

Aba naman! siyempre gusto kong kunin ang mga taga UP, Ateneo at DLSU para magrabaho sakin.

:rotflmao:

Panalo ka talaga manupalpal ng mga upesta! Kabog na naman sila niyan sa 'yo. Tsk, tsk.

:lol:

[Viva La Tigresa]

dapat kasi iniwan mo muna ang plakard mo sa labas bago ka nag-apply. :D
Sabi ng IT manager ko dati ayaw niya ng mga taga-UP, ayaw niya ng mataas ang IQ, kasi marunong pa sa 'yo. Dapat daw nga ganyan abogado o kaya may-ari ng kumpanya. Kahit nga hindi UP pag mataas score sa IQ test ayaw na niya.

well, kung ako ang HR magha-hire ako depende sa nature ng company. kung english (oral) communication ang kelangan eh ateneo or la salle (yoko pa rin sa UST :lol: ) Pero kung IT andyan ang PUP, Mapua, UP. Kung Law UP pa rin at Ateneo. Tapos pag sales UST. hehehe...:lol: oh di ba, galing nila sa marketing, husay ng promotion, ang hahaba ng post.*peace*


Your boss is stupid. Hiring pupian over upestas?


Ha-ha-ha.


:)

[c0Rinthian]

ANIMO MATUTE PA RIN!!!

VIVA MGA PUSA!!! :glee:

YEHEY PARA SA MGA TAGA LA SALLE (DAW... GREENHILLS ba o BENILDE? :lol: )

[Viva La Tigresa]

So ano masasabi mo dito:




Who would I hire?

Aba naman! siyempre gusto kong kunin ang mga taga UP, Ateneo at DLSU para magtrabaho sakin.

[c0Rinthian]

:glee: libre naman mangarap eh :glee:

[letsrockandroll]

ANIMO MATUTE PA RIN!!!

VIVA MGA PUSA!!! :glee:

YEHEY PARA SA MGA TAGA LA SALLE (DAW... GREENHILLS ba o BENILDE? :lol: )

Animo Matute??

Viva Pusa?

going once, going twice, going THRICE!:rotflmao:

next time if you are going to post, try to make it a little bit more intellectual. in other words, yung may sense naman. Puhleasse.

[c0Rinthian]

Animo Matute??

Viva Pusa?

going once, going twice, going THRICE!:rotflmao:

next time if you are going to post, try to make it a little bit more intellectual. in other words, yung may sense naman. Puhleasse.

ah... intellectual pala ang mga post mo? :glee:

sorry... di obvious eh :rotflmao:

[sheerYOUSmode]

Kung ang US may Ivy League...
at ang UK may Russell Group...
ang Pilipinas may Big 4! (or was it 3??) LOL ano to PBB?

Anyway back to topic...

I held my OJT in a company na hindi masyado "mapili" sa mga trainees or kahit sa employees, basta you passed their exam and the interviews it won't even matter the school where you came from. Sabagay, naisip ko rin, mababa kasi sila magpasweldo kaya hindi sila maarte sa pagpili ng school. Halos walang galing sa Ateneo, La Salle, U.P. at kahit UST. Di ko lang alam yung mga big bosses. Hindi mo pwedeng maliitin ang kakayahan ng isang tao base kung saang eskwelahan siya galing. May mga katrabho ako dun na mga galing sa mga "unpopular" schools pero competitive sila and magagaling... meron ding hindi masyado pareho lang yan na may mga magagaling at may mga hindi sa mga malalaking eskwelahan na laging nababanggit dito.

I've always believed na nagiging "importante" lang ang pangalan ng school mo sa 1st or 2nd job mo... After that, mas pinagtutuunan na ng pansin ang experiences.

[Dacs]

It's this sort of righteousness that employers avoid in graduates from "top banana" schools. Freshgrads coming from popular schools expect to be treated with higher regard, as though career progression is not a reward, but a right bestowed upon after getting a diploma.
Sad but true :(
From what little hiring experience I've had in my current company, it's not really about the school names. Whoever gives the lowest offer in exchange for the highest competence wins.
Not always. Companies would be willing to shell out money if they know it'll be an investment worth risking.

It's more like whoever gives the highest return wins.

Putsa, nasa Academe na ba ako? :lol:

[pagie]

Your boss is stupid. Hiring pupian over upestas?


Ha-ha-ha.


:)


No, hindi naman pupean ang pinili niya, ibang skul rin pero yung ave IQ lang.

that workplace must be a wasteland...
abhors intelligence...
must be a b.i.t.c.h working there

No man. It's just that department. technically superior naman ang kinuha niyang tao, ayaw niya lang ng excellent IQ.

Sa totoo lang ate, wala akong nakikitang Thomasian na insecure.

Magbasa ka muna sa diksyunaryo kung anong ang ibig sabihin ng INSECURITY.

Ang mga taong "insecure", yan yung mga taong hindi makatayo sa sarili nilang paa kapag hindi nila binabanggit ang pangalan ng kanilang eskwelahan. Sila yung mga taong feeling "secure" dahil nakasandal sa pader ng kanilang eskwelahan. Kapag inalis mo yan, eh bagsak sila dahil alam nilang wala silang binatbat.

Wag mong isipin na gustong makisiksik ng UST sa BIG 3 ni corinthian. Dahil ang taong yan lutang na lutang ang insecurity at talaga namang walang binatbat.

Ganun ba kuya...
Ah kaya pala walang nagpo-post dito ng kagaya ng post niyo na graduates ng maliliit na eskwelahan. Kasi nga hindi sila insecure kahit pa hindi maganda reputation ng skul nila. At kaya pala pilit binabandera ang UST kasi kapag inalis mo yan, eh bagsak sila dahil alam nilang wala silang binatbat.

Aba, eh di insecure nga.:rotflmao:

at nag-repost pa.:lol:

[pagie]

^^ ganyan dapat ang mga posts!! ako rin UP Ateneo at La salle! :glee: the so called pinaka "uber" sa SOLID! big three!!

happy corinthian?

non-sense post ko? i dont think so. i quoted the speech of the father rector of the Pontifical university that was APPOINTED by the vatican! per se. :)

Nagkasundo ang dalawang pareho mag-isip.:lol:
Research ka pa para mas maraming ka mai-post na achievements ng UST. Lahat naman yun totoo eh, lahat yun karangalan ng UST. at lahat yun kailangan mo banggitin at isipin para hindi ka maging insecure.:rotflmao:

Pero para dun sa ibang Thomasians, di na nila kailangan ipangalandakan yan. Kasi alam nila kung ano capacity nila at kung gano sila ka-competitive.

[c0Rinthian]

Oi! MATUTE FOREVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER PA RIN!!!

TOP 1 :lol:

ANGAL? OPINYON KO ITO! KUNG MATUTE ANG NUMBER 1 SCHOOL PARA SA AKIN- ALA KAYONG PAKE!!! :lol:

BUWAHAHAHA!!!

O OFFICIALLY ENDORSED NI MONSIGNOR CARLO DIMACULANGAN, AT NI ELOY'S AT NI INNO SOTTO!!!

DA BEST ANG ALUMNI NG MATUTE!!! AND DAT'S A PACK!!! :naughty:

KAYA YANG BIG 3 NA YAN, ALANG SINABI SA MATUTE!!!

[S_C_U_D]

Ganun ba kuya...
Ah kaya pala walang nagpo-post dito ng kagaya ng post niyo na graduates ng maliliit na eskwelahan. Kasi nga hindi sila insecure kahit pa hindi maganda reputation ng skul nila. At kaya pala pilit binabandera ang UST kasi kapag inalis mo yan, eh bagsak sila dahil alam nilang wala silang binatbat.

Aba, eh di insecure nga.:rotflmao:

at nag-repost pa.:lol:

Tutal naman at umeekstra ka na rin lang, o siya patulan na rin kita.

Kung tinatawag mong insecure ang mga Tomasino eh ano naman kaya ang pwede kong itawag sa'yo na pilit na nakikisawsaw sa isyu ng iba.

Hindi mo na rin kailangan sabihin na ayaw mo sa UST at sa mga Tomasino,ako na rin ang magsasabi sa'yo... da piling is myutwal!

[S_C_U_D]

May pakiusap at babala ako sa'yo pagie.

Kung ako sa'yo, hindi ako makikialam at makisawsaw.

Hangga't makakapagpigil ayokong patulan ka, baka bumuga ako ng apoy siguradong hindi mo kakayanin. Hindi ako "gentleman" gaya ng iba.

[pagie]

wag mo ng pigilan, bumuga ka na ng apoy.:grrr:

wag ako makisawsaw? research mo nga meaning ng forum. hala, research, para matuto ka at hindi na maging insecure. :rotflmao:

Babala? hikhikhik:D
Para sabihin ko sa 'yo, kaming mga pupean ay hindi rin marunong umatras!

In PUP we don't just fight
We lead an attack!!!

[Dacs]

pagie: Ano ba yan, bring it on? :D

Round 1, FIIIIGHT!

[c0Rinthian]

:lol: making "threats" on the internet in the relatively safety of anonymity :glee:

atapang talaga atao :lol:

anyway, wak niyo nang patulan ang mga jologs na yan- gusto lang nilang guluhin ang isang matinong usapan, kasi nasasaktan sila di pinag-uusapan ang alma mater nila :lol:

gaya ayun, nagpapapansin na lang, post nang post ng flame-bait, para magkarambulan na at isara ang thread na ito.

kaya, wak na lang pansinin ang mga insecure na jologs, post pa pa rin nang post- basta relevant ;)

[Dacs]

Dapat ilipat ang sinulid na ito sa The Academe :lol:

[c0Rinthian]

^^ wag na Dacs, nakakaentertain yung mga hirit ng mga ibang jologs eh :glee:

bayaan mo lang na nandito sa TWF, as long as work at work related discussions, oks lang (kailangan ba ang endorsement ng pope para magkawork? :lol: )

[kaningbrown]

Thread derailed. Yet another successful mission for trollfags.

[jokerball]

I never thought that there would be Thomasians that would act really (kindly help me come up with the best word to use) .... :confused::bop:

My cousins are Thomasians, but they never do act this way... I know you just want to be proud of your alma mater, but not to the extent of making threats.

Let's all be grown ups, shall we...?

(i feel that i'll get rough remarks after this...)

[S_C_U_D]

wag mo ng pigilan, bumuga ka na ng apoy.:grrr:

wag ako makisawsaw? research mo nga meaning ng forum. hala, research, para matuto ka at hindi na maging insecure. :rotflmao:

Babala? hikhikhik:D
Para sabihin ko sa 'yo, kaming mga pupean ay hindi rin marunong umatras!

In PUP we don't just fight
We lead an attack!!!

Malakas makapeke ang emoticon,kaya nga di ko gumagamit niyan.

Sabihin nating may makita kang insecure..bakit apektado ka?

[S_C_U_D]

I never thought that there would be Thomasians that would act really (kindly help me come up with the best word to use) .... :confused::bop:

My cousins are Thomasians, but they never do act this way... I know you just want to be proud of your alma mater, but not to the extent of making threats.

Let's all be grown ups, shall we...?

(i feel that i'll get rough remarks after this...)

Wow ha..ngayon naman sa Thomasians ang sisi?

What the F_U_C_K?

[S_C_U_D]

:lol: making "threats" on the internet in the relatively safety of anonymity :glee:

atapang talaga atao :lol:

anyway, wak niyo nang patulan ang mga jologs na yan- gusto lang nilang guluhin ang isang matinong usapan, kasi nasasaktan sila di pinag-uusapan ang alma mater nila :lol:

gaya ayun, nagpapapansin na lang, post nang post ng flame-bait, para magkarambulan na at isara ang thread na ito.

kaya, wak na lang pansinin ang mga insecure na jologs, post pa pa rin nang post- basta relevant ;)

Matinong usapan?

Ungas, ikaw ang isa sa mga bashers ng UST. Nabahag naman ang buntot mo ngayong nandito na naman ako.

Pansinin mong mabuti ang mga posts mo bago mo pansinin ang mga insecure na sinasabi mo.

Ilan ulit mong binangigt ang salitang "BIG 3 with open and close parenthesis UP, ADMU, DLSU"

Di mo na kailangan ulit ulitin yan para ipaalam sa kanila na kasama ang UP sa Big3..ako mismo ang nagsasabi sayo..

Wag nang mangatog ang itlog mo dahil secure ang UP sa Big 3

[c0Rinthian]

:rotflmao: di ako basher ng taga UST, basher ako ng mga jologs at insecure ng mga mayabang at walang ginawa kundi mag buhat ng sarili nilang bangko na taga "UST" sinusuka ng mga matitinong taga UST :glee:

:p

pikon! :glee: tinamaan kasi :lol:

[S_C_U_D]

Ah ganun ba, hindi ka ba basher?

Pansinin mo ang mga posts mo, bumabait ka lang kapag nandito na ako (ganyan ang pagbubuhat ng bangko)

Wag mong isipin na matino lahat ang mga taga UST. Sa bawat isang daan na matitinong Thomasians, may isang walang modo na gaya ko.

Parang sa UP rin yan, sa bawat isang daan na matatalinong taga UP, may isang walang alam na gaya mo.

[c0Rinthian]

Ah ganun ba, hindi ka ba basher?

Pansinin mo ang mga posts mo, bumabait ka lang kapag nandito na ako (ganyan ang pagbubuhat ng bangko)

Wag mong isipin na matino lahat ang mga taga UST. Sa bawat isang daan na matitinong Thomasians, may isang walang modo na gaya ko.

Parang sa UP rin yan, sa bawat isang daan na matatalinong taga UP, may isang walang alam na gaya mo.

ay... obobs :glee:

alam namin na bored ka diyan, kaya hobby mo na manggulo, sige- pagbigyan ka na namin- kawawa ka kasi eh :glee:

alam naman naming lahat na wala kang masabing matino- kaya pagbibigyan na lang namin ang kagaya mong retarded na insecure na nagpapapansin lang :lol:

jologs kasi eh

[S_C_U_D]

bored? sino? ako?

Naku ha, bakit naman ako magiging bored dito sa Canada. Sarap na sarap nga ako sa buhay ko dito. May sariling bahay at kotse, kumikita ng siguradong mas malaki sa kinikita mo. Higit sa lahat masaya at kuntento sa buhay.

Bigyan mo nga ako ng dahilan kung bakit ako maiinsecure sayo?

Dahil taga UP ka at UST ako?

[S_C_U_D]

Nung binasa ko ang thread na to ang pagkakaalam ko magulo na, dahil sa mga gaya mong hindi makapagpigil ng komento sa UST at mga Thomasians. Tapos ngayon ako pa ang sisisihin mo?

Huwag mong sabihin sa kin na matino ang thread na 'to.. kasi kung matino kang tao, ang una mong itatanong sa TS "ANONG POSISYON?"

[c0Rinthian]

:glee: insecure... dakdak pa rin ng dakdak :glee:

[c0Rinthian]

Nung binasa ko ang thread na to ang pagkakaalam ko magulo na, dahil sa mga gaya mong hindi makapagpigil ng komento sa UST at mga Thomasians. Tapos ngayon ako pa ang sisisihin mo?

Huwag mong sabihin sa kin na matino ang thread na 'to.. kasi kung matino kang tao, ang una mong itatanong sa TS "ANONG POSISYON?"

anung posisyon?

let's see.... grocery boy? :lol:

panjologs na desperado eh :lol: mga latak ng lipunan na pwede lang makakuha ng trabaho sa isang bansa na desperado sa tao (na kahit kriminal o jologs tinatanggap) :rotflmao:


OK, so then let me tell you my story. I'm an engineer in the Philippines..double degree, three licenses.. Civil, Sanitary, Jr. Geodetic..graduated at UST and NU.. came here 2 yrs ago, started working in a grocery a week after I landed earning $8/hour..got a student loan and studied for 3 months for $2500 while working..got a job on the day I graduated..now earning $33/hour or $68K+ annually, got a nice car and a house.

ang insecure na jologs- kahit makatikim ng snow eh insecure na jologs pa rin :lol:

binabalaan kita- tigilan mo pagkajologs at pagka insecure mo- di ako gentleman :grrr: maiksi ang pasensya ko sa mga insecure na jologs na obobs gaya mo :naughty:

[MisterHappy]

Isa pang tanong mga katoto: Paano ba natin mapapawalang bisa ang bias ng mga kumpanya sa La Salle, Ateneo, UST, etc.? Alam nating lahat na kapag sinabi nating super galing na schools sa Pinas ay umiikot ang mundo sa Ateneo, UST, La Salle, etc. pero ano ba ang dapat gawin pa ng mga ibang school para masali sa mga sosyalan na schools na ito? Sana naman ay bigyang pansin din ang ibang schools kasi may ibubuga rin naman ang mga ito, hindi ba? Tenks.

[S_C_U_D]

ang insecure na jologs- kahit makatikim ng snow eh insecure na jologs pa rin :lol:

binabalaan kita- tigilan mo pagkajologs at pagka insecure mo- di ako gentleman :grrr: maiksi ang pasensya ko sa mga insecure na jologs na obobs gaya mo :naughty:

O eh ano naman kung maikli pasensya mo? Matagal ko nang alam yan dahil ang utak mo nasa talampakan.

Dagdagan natin kung bakit hindi ako dapat mainsecure sa'yo sa kabila nang pagiging UP graduate mo...

- Pareho tayong Engineer, yun nga lang wala kang makuhang trabaho kaya napunta ka sa HR. Samantalang ako, nangongontra na at kumikita ng dolyar.

Sino sa atin ang bobo? Dalawang kurso ang tinapos ko sa Engineering at tatlo ang lisensya..samantalang ikaw?

Kaya kung ipagyayabang mo rin lang na magaling ang mga graduates niyo kaysa sa iba..dapat nakahanda kang patunayan yan.

Kasi kung hindi, lagi ka na lang masusupalpal.

Follw up question ulit.. pano mo nasabing insecure ako sa'yo? Ipaliwanag mo na lang sa kanila para mas masaya

[S_C_U_D]

Suko ka na ba corinthian?

Kung hindi mo na kaya takbo ka na lang ulit sa PEX admin at ipa-ban mo ulit ako.
Talagang ganyan lang ang misyon ko sa buhay, ang supalpalin ang mga gaya mong nagmamagaling..na kung hihingan mo naman ng katibayan kung mas magaling nga siya eh wala naman maipakita.

[pagie]

Hinintay ko pa naman post ni S_C_U_D tas yun lang pala mga sasabihin. sige, magtinda ka na lang diyan sa grocery. hehehe...
Ngayon lang ako nakakita ng double degree with three licenses tas insecure pa rin.:lol:

Balik sa matinong usapan.
MisterHappy, mahirap na yung sinasabi mong ipawalang bisa ang bias ng mga kumpanya. Ang tao na lang siguro ang mag-adjust, total factor lang naman yan sa first employment, pagkatapos nun halos pantay-pantay na, experience na ang basehan. Nasa tao na lang yun kung likas siyang tamad o mahina.

Ano ang dapat gawin ng ibang skul?
Kung state U yan dapat siguro dagdagan ng gobyerno ang budget dyan. Sa totoo lang mahirap matuto kapag 12-1 ang ratio ng students at computer.
Kung private skul naman, nasa admin yan. Me alam akong private skul na puro loko ang mag-aaral. Di nila mai-impose ang disiplina ng skul kasi baka magalit ang estudyante at lumipat ng skul. Sempre mawawalan sila ng kita. Kaya ayun, wala halos pumapasa sa mga nursing nila.

Bakit kaya walang nagpo-post dito from Beda, Mapua, MSU, BSU at PLM? Sana marinig rin natin sa kanila ang epekto ng pangalan ng eskwelahan.

[c0Rinthian]

kawawang S_C_U_D jologs :lol: insecure pa rin :lol:

pang grocery boy lang kasi ang beauty eh- andami ngang degree at license- obobs naman :glee:

mahirap magpaliwanag sa mga obobs gaya ni S_C_U_D jologs, naalog na ang utak sa pagiging grocery boy eh- bitter, kaya dito na lang bumabawi sa PEx :lol:

wawa naman :p

[LyricMuse]

tsk... nakakalungkot na ang kinapuntahan ng thread na ito.. and i thought that this would be different, intellectaul and informative. oh well..

[c0Rinthian]

tsk... nakakalungkot na ang kinapuntahan ng thread na ito.. and i thought that this would be different, intellectaul and informative. oh well..

well... pag sumawsaw si Mr. grocery boy (na madaming degree at license... DAW) l- na nagkakalat sa Campus Chat (at ilang beses nang na ban) ganun talaga... wak na lang pansinin ;)

[S_C_U_D]

Grocery boy?

Uy buti na lang pinaalala mo, nagtrabaho nga pala ako sa grocery habang nag-aaral dito sa Canada. Bukod pa yan sa mga tinapos kong kurso sa Pilipinas at pag-aaral ko sa US. Proud ako dyan!

Bigyan pa kita ng isang dahilan kung bakit ako hindi insecure sa 'yo..immigrant ako dito, kasama ang pamilya at may gwapong-gwapong anak na isang taong gulang.
Eh ikaw Mr. OFW from UP, kumusta ang kontrata mo sa Singapore? Mag-ipon kang mabuti para sa paguwi mo sa Pilipinas hindi ka dumudukot sa alkansya mo.

Bakit hindi mo ako gayahin magyabang Corinthian? Kaya kong i-angat ang sarili ko na hindi tumatapak sa ibang tao. Kasi hindi mo kaya di ba? Tumataas lang ang tingin mo sa sarili mo habang nakatapak sa iba.

Kung tutuusin hindi ka dapat magmalaki sa mga hindi taga UP, dahil ang mga hinayupak na kagaya mo pinag-aral lang galing sa buwis ng mga tao.

Bakit nga ba insecure ako? Dahil taga UP ka at UST ako?