Comments on UP's Revitalized Ge Program!

[cool_water]

mga Isko, i think this is one thing na kailangan din natin bigyan ng pansin, kasi this would make a big change sa UP education....

ano comment ninyo? is this for better or for worse?

[reybelde]

At hindsight, this revitalized GE Program which the UP Administration is planning to implement could be viewed as a convenient excuse for them to implement their planned Tuition Fee Increase by next semester, from the present P300/unit to around P600/unit.

:drive:

[eenie]

ano bang mga changes?...sori medyo tagal na rin ako grad e. but im just curious.

[cool_water]

para sa mas malinaw na kaalaman tungkol sa GE pwede pong bumusita sa....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/up_gem

ito ay isang grupo( UP General Education Movement )

SA RGEP makakapamili na ang mga students ng GE subjects...provided na kukuha sila ng 15 units ng Social Sciences, 15 sa Humanities & Arts at 15 sa Natural Sciences and Mathematics....

may idadagdag na mga bagong subjects at mariretain naman yung dati.....

maganda sana kasi mas maraming choices pero, ang mangyayari ay mawawala ang Tatak UP. Ang UPian ay isang well-rounded individual... pero dahil sa RGEp pwede siyang magpokus dun lang sa mga subjects na gusto niya.......

biruin mo pwedeng maka-graduate ang isang student ng hindi kumukuha ng KAS 1, sa subject pa naman na 'to nadedevelop yung "nationalism" at kamalayan ng totoong nangyayari sa lipunan.....

tsaka marami talagang junior faculty ang mawawalan nga trabaho....

tsaka... magmumukha talaga market ang academe, magbebenta ang bawat departamento ng mga subjects nila...

marami pang consequences...i can't explain it all.... visit ninyo na lang yung up_gem. :)

[primitiverebel]

heh! mga monopolista lang yang mga inuuod na fakulti ng cssp. iniisip lang ng iba jan, sayang ang honorarium na triple na ng dati ngayon. hoy!!! rumaket na lang kayo.

pa-nasyonalismo-nasyonalismo pa! heh!

wag n'yo naman dagdagan ang impression na losers ang mga fakulti natin. wag na kayo magreklamo. kung magaling kayo, di kayo mawawalang ng estudyante.

parang di n'yo alam ang kulturang peyups. kumakalat naman ang tsismis kung sino ang magaling at kung sino ang hindi. yung puro katarantaduhang brainwashing lang naman ang ginagawa, wala talagang mangyayari. lalo na jan sa ... dep't. naku!!! wag na nga.

patunayan n'yo naman sa iba, wag lang sa isa't isa na magagaling talaga kayo. eh puro lang kayo mutual admiration society. quoting each other, para lang ma-quote. naku!!! bagong buhay na mga bagong ... uhm, bayani! he-he-he

tigilan n'yo na yang pa-progresibo eklat n'yo eh mga monopolista lang kayo. compete mga 'igan. wag naman kayo losers.

ang magaling, magaling talaga. no ifs, no buts.

mabuhay ang mga jologs!

[tokikot]

:mad: Siguro kahit baguhin natin ang GE program, at kung anu-ano pa, bale wala rin kung pareho pa rin ang attitude ng mga estudyante at guro tulad ng sa ngayon.

Ano ang ibig kong sabihin dito? Kung mayroon pa ring mga tamad na estudyante't guro, eh di wala rin pinag-iba kung luma o bago ang programa sa GE. Dapat, ma-realize ng lahat na upang umunlad ang ating unibersidad, lahat dapat mag-isip, makilahok, kumilos. Hangga't may iilan na saliwa sa agos, babagal at mananatili pa rin ang bulok na sistema ng ating edukasyon.

:mad:

[cool_water]

primitive rebel.....im just curious kung taga diliman or taga-lb yang sinsabi mong department.

may alam kasi akong kasali sa progressive movement....
pero i think kahit yung mga magkalaban ( ng ideas)nagkaisa sa pagtutol dito sa RGEP

well, maganda naman kasi ang kompetisyon kasi nga sabi ni Pres. Nemenzo magiging Innovative ang faculty members, pero imasisiguro ba natin na ang batayan ng mga estudyante sa paghanap nila ng subjects ay yung makakatulong sa kanila na maging isang well-rounded na individual( na siyang tatak UP)? Baka naman pasikatan ng departamendto yan.....

Anyway, ang problema kasi talaga ay hindi yung subjects,

kundi ang pag-handle ng mga subjects . Responsibilidad ng administrasyon at ng faculty ang ikauunlad ng karunungan ng kanilang mga estudyante....

Bakit hindi yung direktang tugon sa problema ang gawin? Tulad sigruo ng pagti-train pa nga mga guro.
Para naman sa mga faculty members... estudyante muna bago raket!

[Mark001]

RGEP ... oks lang naman sa kin yun. at least, ang pipiliin kong subjects eh yung gusto ko ... (putek! kung maaga 'tong napatupad, ndi na sana ko nag-eSTS)

maganda sana kasi mas maraming choices pero, ang mangyayari ay mawawala ang Tatak UP. Ang UPian ay isang well-rounded individual... pero dahil sa RGEp pwede siyang magpokus dun lang sa mga subjects na gusto niya.......

sa tingin ko ndi naman mawawala ang Tatak UP, kasi tulad din ng nasabi mo, kukuha sya ng mga units --- 15 sa Social Sciences, 15 sa Natural Sciences, et.al. ... at bukod dyan, mag-eenjoy pa sya sa subject kasi personal choice nya yun. :)

[cool_water]

isko, pls post in here!

[chinatown]

i'm against it.

[leng_r]

the RGEP is definitely an excuse for tuition fee increase.

another thing, ang target nito ay ang incoming freshies. syempre, if you were a new stude who is not used to the system, anong magiging basis mo for choosing your subjects and schedule? it's CONVENIENCE! kahit nga tayong mga upperclasspeople, ang gusto natin, yung sched na okay sa atin, tsaka yung teacher na mabait at hindi ma-trabaho, right?
e pano naman sila? they do not have any fu**ing idea kung alin ang best class for them. they might choose subjects na hindi useful in the future.

:rolleyes: :( :rolleyes: :(

[amok]

ganito, maganda ang RGEP dahil sa ino-offer nitong freedom of choice chuva. in a way binibigyan ng kalayaan at responsibilidad ang mag-aaral na taluntunin ang kanyang sariling landas.

however, sa palagay ko, me mga courses na kailangan pa ring matikman ng lahat especially yung literature, arts, history subjects. totoong problema ang maraming guro, kaya lang marami rin naman ang nagsusumikap na ibahin ang nakasanayang sistema.

mahirap mawala ang nasyonalismo kahit na para sa iba ay ek lang ito. sa tingin ko, kaya hindi natin nakikita na may potensiyal tayong maging mabuting lipi at bansa dahil kaagad nating tinatanggihan ang anumang makapagdadala sa atin sa gayong estado.

mahalaga ang perspektiba sa usapin ng RGEP. kung totoo ngang mawawala ang nasyonalismo sa pagpapatupad nito, masamang bagay yon. sa puntong ito ng kasaysayan ng bansa na di nga natin masabi kung ano ang pagkakakilanlan natin kung kaya di tayo maging secure sa kung sino at ano tayo, mahalagang mahalaga na magtuon ng pansin sa pagiging bahagi ng mga mamamayan na nasa bansang ito, kahit pa , para sa akin ay imaginary lang naman ang community, mahlaga rin na gawing konkreto ang manipestasyon ng imaheng ito.

bow.
:D

[mac_bolan00]

yeah, i've seen this in other schools. UST had a gen program. i just don't know if they still have it.

this GE program is so much bullsh_it. no major field in which to specialize? no thesis? no synthesis or integration of any kind? what kind of education will that be? GE subjects are soooo juvenile. the number of cum laude graduates from UP will quadruple. if a student doesn't have the brains or discipline to stick it out with a specific college or department, he/she doesn't deserve a UP diploma.

:grrr:

[KasmoT]

ang nakikita kong epekto ng RGEP na ito ay magiging sobrang market-driven na ang sistema gn edukasyon--magkukumahog na makakuha ng maraming estudyante ang bawat department, dahil the more students na mag-enrol sa kanila, the higher the budget na mapupunta sa kanila! so, para makaakit ng students, kailangang mag-promote ang mga profs ng sarili nila at ng subject na tinuturo nila, para bang produkto na kailangang i-market o i-promote nang husto para mapansin.

may friend akong nagkuwento sa akin na sa UPLB nga raw, may mga poster pa ang mga profs at nagtatawag ng mga estudyante na "dito na lang kayo mag-enrol!" parang palengke talaga!

aba! e dapat siguro ang title ng mga kurso/subjects ay laging may '"sex" para makaakit ng enrolees, e.g. Math 11 and Sex, STS and Sex, etc. o kaya naman ay mag-offer ng mga freebies, like Math 100 (with bottomless iced tea!) o NatSci II (with free footspa!) or Theater 100 (Acting for Soap Opera-- meet the Celebs!) :D :D :D

Hmm....ma-offer ko nga ang services ko sa mga profs-- dapat may mga AVPs na rin sila at mga flyers, posters, etc. para mas maka-attract di ba? :p

Seriously now, sabi nila dahil sa RGEP, mapipilitan ang mga profs (especially the oldies) na magbago ng kanilang mga jurassic style of teaching at mag-improve, na magiging beneficial for the students. Kung ganoon, ang dapat na nire-revitalize ng Revitalized GE Program na ito ng UP ay ang makaluma at boring na paraan ng pagtuturo-- hindi ang GE program!

[prof_x]

Originally posted by KasmoT
ang nakikita kong epekto ng RGEP na ito ay magiging sobrang market-driven na ang sistema gn edukasyon--magkukumahog na makakuha ng maraming estudyante ang bawat department, dahil the more students na mag-enrol sa kanila, the higher the budget na mapupunta sa kanila! so, para makaakit ng students, kailangang mag-promote ang mga profs ng sarili nila at ng subject na tinuturo nila, para bang produkto na kailangang i-market o i-promote nang husto para mapansin.

may friend akong nagkuwento sa akin na sa UPLB nga raw, may mga poster pa ang mga profs at nagtatawag ng mga estudyante na "dito na lang kayo mag-enrol!" parang palengke talaga!

aba! e dapat siguro ang title ng mga kurso/subjects ay laging may '"sex" para makaakit ng enrolees, e.g. Math 11 and Sex, STS and Sex, etc. o kaya naman ay mag-offer ng mga freebies, like Math 100 (with bottomless iced tea!) o NatSci II (with free footspa!) or Theater 100 (Acting for Soap Opera-- meet the Celebs!) :D :D :D

Hmm....ma-offer ko nga ang services ko sa mga profs-- dapat may mga AVPs na rin sila at mga flyers, posters, etc. para mas maka-attract di ba? :p

Seriously now, sabi nila dahil sa RGEP, mapipilitan ang mga profs (especially the oldies) na magbago ng kanilang mga jurassic style of teaching at mag-improve, na magiging beneficial for the students. Kung ganoon, ang dapat na nire-revitalize ng Revitalized GE Program na ito ng UP ay ang makaluma at boring na paraan ng pagtuturo-- hindi ang GE program!

Madaling sabihin na babaguhin ang istilo at pamamaraan ng pagturo ng mga guro pero sa UP, meron tayong tinatawag na '"academic freedom" na nagbibigay ng kalayaan sa mga guro na gawin ang gusto nilang gawin para mapabuti (mapasama) ang pagturo sa mga estudyante.

Ang RGEP ay market-driven ngunit hindi ito nagbibigay daan sa pagtaas ng matrikula.

Buti nga at may GE pa rin - sa ibang bansa, wala nang mga GE ang mga estudyante kundi marami lamang silang mga electives.

[Introvert_S]

mukhang ok naman yung mga subjects lalo na yung ino-offer ng DECL. kaya lang, dapat siguro may mga subjects na i-require talaga like speech, writing

[seav]

I agree... there should be some required subjects. Specifically, communication skills (writing, speaking). Having worked in a multinational company over the summer, I can clearly see the need to have effective communication skills. Sadly, UP lacks in that respect.

[prof_x]

Originally posted by seav
I agree... there should be some required subjects. Specifically, communication skills (writing, speaking). Having worked in a multinational company over the summer, I can clearly see the need to have effective communication skills. Sadly, UP lacks in that respect.

The RGEP can be defeated by each course's requirements. The BSCS degree requires that you take the following:

Communications (9 units) in ENGLISH
and
Philo I

[n3X]

Ang RGEP ang magiging dahilan ng pagbagsak ng Unibersidad ng Pilipinas. Oo, merong mga good points ang RGEP pero mas mabigat at mas marami ang mga bad points nito. Hindi ako magtataka kung pagdating ng panahon e isang diploma mill na lang ang UP.

Una, mawawala ang Tatak-UP. Iniisip natin na isang tao ay dapat well-rounded ngunit nag-eexcel sa kanyang napiling field of expertise. Ito ang Tatak-UP. Isa sa mga devices ng unibersidad upang makagawa ng mga well-rounded na mga graduates e ang Liberal Arts component ng UP education o mas kilala sa pangalang General Education program. Bago ang RGEP, rigid ang structure ng GE Program, mula UP Baguio hanggang UP Mindanao, kinukuha ng bawat estudyante ang 42 units ng iba't-ibang subject. Ang mission ng GEP e ang i-broaden ang Intellectual Horizons ng mga estudyante, ngunit ang pinagkaiba ng GEP ng UP sa ibang GE programs na nasa Harvard o Princeton ay ang pag-instill ng Nationalism at sense of social responsibility. Dito nakikita ng UP ang kanyang fulfillment.

Maraming rason kung bakit dapat i-reject ang RGEP. Isa, mali ang concepto ng isang Liberal na edukasyon sa RGEP. Oo maganda at may freedom of choice ang mga estudyante ngunit hindi alam ng nakararami kung ano ang nararapat para sa kanila. For short, hindi ito General Education, nagiging "Personal" Education. Pangalawa, hindi ito isang Filipino Education. Nawawala ang nasyonalismo. According sa KAVStudy, ang top three priorities ng UP students ay ang self-improvement, individual success and promotion. Nasan ang paglingkod sa bayan na dapat ang nangunguna dito. Nasan ang mga tunay na Iskolar ng Bayan? Kung nagproproduce ang unibersidad ng mga taong hindi maglilingkod sa bansa, hindi ito worthy ng state subsidy. Pangatlo, may false equivalencies sa RGEP. Dahil 15 units per domain ang RGEP, merong gragraduate sa UP na hindi nakakakuha ng History, ng Math, ng Science, ng Philosophy, ng Literature, ng Communication. For example, sa Social Sciences and Philosophy Domain, pareho ba ang Economics sa Philippine History or Philosophy? The RGEP should be the manifestation of what is essential to a UP student. 4th, Sinisira ng RGEP ang working relations sa unibersidad. Dahil nagkakaroon ng kompetisyon sa pag-attract ng estudyante sa mga kurso nila. Siyempre kung walang estudyante, walang budget, walang trabaho, walang suweldo. Siyempre ulet, sino bang estudyante ang ayaw sa light requirements at mataas na grades. Just imagine kung anong ipro-produce ng UP.

Kung tutuusin, yung semi-structured approach ng RGEP ang problema. yun lang. hehehe Yung data galing sa UP General Education Movement. Visit niyo site nila.

Honor:Excellence
U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

[prof_x]

To N3X - I have opted not to quote your lengthy message to save space here. :)

Ahhh, a strong proponent of ANTI-RGEP. Well, there were deliberations about it in the Colleges and elevated to the University Council and it was approved. Face with the consequences, I must say. There is nothing you can do to reject it any longer.

As you clearly pointed out, RGEP has good and bad points. The bad points that you have explained well are not exactly accurate.

Point one. Broadening the student's Intellectual Horizon. The RGEP requires that the student take 45 units of GE from 3 major domains - if I am not mistaken, they are Humanities, Natural Sciences and Social Sciences. This is 3 units more than what was originally prescribed. Nothing is lost here - in fact, a little more was added. This translates to more courses for the students to take and that will surely broaden their horizons. AS for Nationalism - PI100 is not a GE course but a Congressional mandate - it is required for all students. This should ensure that Nationalism is instilled to the students and by the best method of studying the country's National Hero's life and works.

I am curious, since when has it been a UP student's aim and goal to solely serve the country? It is NOT REQUIRED for each UP graduate to serve the country. However, it is HIGHLY ENCOURAGED! How many graduates from various disciplines leave the country to work even before RGEP was even conceptualized? This is not a direct consequence of RGEP but is rather caused by much higher concerns (economic and political mostly).

Second point, students not being able to take courses such as Math, History, etc. Now this depends on the departments' concern on how they create their checklist of required GE courses. AFAIK, the department of Computer Science requires 9 units of Communications in ENGLISH and 3 units of Philo I. These are essential for the CS graduates. The rest of the GE course are open and subject to the student's preferences and the adviser's approval.

Third point, competition on courses. There always has been competition anyway. We cannot deny the fact that there are courses with high demands such as Business Administration, Computer Science, Computer Engineering, ECE, MBB, Economics, etc. Anyway, your point is in marketing the new GE courses and yes, it will be quite difficult for the GE courses to attract more students - but then again, it has not yet been proven since RGEP implementation starts only this June. Let us see what happens and then make our own preliminary conclusion perhaps after a year... from there, maybe you can file a resolution to the University Council and call for the RGEP to be abolished due to failure. :D

[monsterboy]

anti rgep here. :) although the premise of having choices for your courses is nice, some important but unpopular subjects might be easily forgotten. :)

[ebtg]

RGEP is a great program. It will arrest the continuing decline of the quality of UP education.

Please. Anti-RGEP rhetoric is simply that, rhetoric. No logic and substance at all.

[prof_x]

Originally posted by monsterboy
anti rgep here. :) although the premise of having choices for your courses is nice, some important but unpopular subjects might be easily forgotten. :)

Like which subjects? If we are to compare the academic programme to those in Europe - Europeans do not have the so-called GE courses. However, they do have lots of electives that they can take - languages, humanities, etc. Does that make them inferior:

[n3X]

Point one. Broadening the student's Intellectual Horizon. The RGEP requires that the student take 45 units of GE from 3 major domains - if I am not mistaken, they are Humanities, Natural Sciences and Social Sciences. This is 3 units more than what was originally prescribed. Nothing is lost here - in fact, a little more was added. This translates to more courses for the students to take and that will surely broaden their horizons. AS for Nationalism - PI100 is not a GE course but a Congressional mandate - it is required for all students. This should ensure that Nationalism is instilled to the students and by the best method of studying the country's National Hero's life and works.
>>> PI 100? Oo nga, isa rin itong subject kung saan na-iinstill rin ang nasyonalismo sa mga estudyante pero iba ang pag-aaral sa mga gawa at buhay ni Rizal kaysa sa pag-aaral ng kasaysayan.

I am curious, since when has it been a UP student's aim and goal to solely serve the country? It is NOT REQUIRED for each UP graduate to serve the country. However, it is HIGHLY ENCOURAGED! How many graduates from various disciplines leave the country to work even before RGEP was even conceptualized? This is not a direct consequence of RGEP but is rather caused by much higher concerns (economic and political mostly).
>>> OO ulet, pero yun na nga yung point diba? Dapat kahit na maraming economic at political problems dito, hindi umaalis ang mga graduates ng UP. Dapat nandito tayo kung nasan ang laban. Dun sa hindi required para sa isang UP graduate na i-serve ang country, bahala na po sa inyo kung ano ang iniisip ninyo. Ang sa akin lang, DAPAT natin i-alay ang talino natin sa bayan.

Second point, students not being able to take courses such as Math, History, etc. Now this depends on the departments' concern on how they create their checklist of required GE courses. AFAIK, the department of Computer Science requires 9 units of Communications in ENGLISH and 3 units of Philo I. These are essential for the CS graduates. The rest of the GE course are open and subject to the student's preferences and the adviser's approval.
>>> E di in essence, yung 9 units of Comm at yung 3 units of Philo ay hindi GE. Dahil ginagamit sila sa specialization ng mga Computer Science students. Paano yung Literature & Humanities? At iba pang Social Sciences? Yun nga ang problema na pinopoint out ko na subject ang mga GE courses sa student's preference.

Third point, competition on courses. There always has been competition anyway. We cannot deny the fact that there are courses with high demands such as Business Administration, Computer Science, Computer Engineering, ECE, MBB, Economics, etc. Anyway, your point is in marketing the new GE courses and yes, it will be quite difficult for the GE courses to attract more students - but then again, it has not yet been proven since RGEP implementation starts only this June. Let us see what happens and then make our own preliminary conclusion perhaps after a year... from there, maybe you can file a resolution to the University Council and call for the RGEP to be abolished due to failure.
>>> Iba ang competition sa GE courses at sa mga degree programs. Hindi natin sila puedeng i-relate dahil iba ang mga iyan. Katulad ng sinabi ko noon, "wrong equivalencies" sa mga GE domains. Wala namang "wrong equivalencies" sa mga degree programs, diba? At saka po, after 4 years lang kapag naka-graduate na mga incoming freshies natin puedeng i-assess ang RGEP. Ang wish ko lang e, sana wag na natin hintayin na magkaroon ng problema...

Like which subjects? If we are to compare the academic programme to those in Europe - Europeans do not have the so-called GE courses. However, they do have lots of electives that they can take - languages, humanities, etc. Does that make them inferior
>>> Singit po ako dito! hehehe GE courses are different from electives. GE courses have a primary goal of broadening the intellectual horizons of the students while electives are taken because the students are interested in those fields. It does not follow that the electives that a student takes are meant to make a student well rounded. The GE program must not be market-driven. I would also, like to point out that our GE program must be a program that should correspond to our needs and to the needs of our country.

salamat prof_x sa pag-reply niyo po, teacher ba po kayo sa UP? :)

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

[prof_x]

Originally posted by n3X
>>> PI 100? Oo nga, isa rin itong subject kung saan na-iinstill rin ang nasyonalismo sa mga estudyante pero iba ang pag-aaral sa mga gawa at buhay ni Rizal kaysa sa pag-aaral ng kasaysayan.

Di ba nag-history ka na sa high school? Bakit kailangan ulitin pa ito?


>>> OO ulet, pero yun na nga yung point diba? Dapat kahit na maraming economic at political problems dito, hindi umaalis ang mga graduates ng UP. Dapat nandito tayo kung nasan ang laban. Dun sa hindi required para sa isang UP graduate na i-serve ang country, bahala na po sa inyo kung ano ang iniisip ninyo. Ang sa akin lang, DAPAT natin i-alay ang talino natin sa bayan.

Yes, I agree - 101%!! Problem is - you cannot instill the sense of patriotism by GE subjects alone. It is inherent in one's own belief. If one believes that the country will no longer improve and that they cannot do anything to help improve it, they leave. However, most of us who think otherwise, stay. I am not saying that all those who have left think this way but there are some who do.


>>> E di in essence, yung 9 units of Comm at yung 3 units of Philo ay hindi GE. Dahil ginagamit sila sa specialization ng mga Computer Science students. Paano yung Literature & Humanities? At iba pang Social Sciences? Yun nga ang problema na pinopoint out ko na subject ang mga GE courses sa student's preference.

Technically, GE pa rin yun. You get 9 units off your Humanities domain and 3 units off the Social Science (tama ba?). There is no problem really - it just allows more flexibility to the students = more freedom to choose which subjects they want to enrol in. Heck, the some of the old GE subjects had no 'sense' in my degree. ;-)


>>> Iba ang competition sa GE courses at sa mga degree programs. Hindi natin sila puedeng i-relate dahil iba ang mga iyan. Katulad ng sinabi ko noon, "wrong equivalencies" sa mga GE domains. Wala namang "wrong equivalencies" sa mga degree programs, diba? At saka po, after 4 years lang kapag naka-graduate na mga incoming freshies natin puedeng i-assess ang RGEP. Ang wish ko lang e, sana wag na natin hintayin na magkaroon ng problema...

Why are you shooting it down right away without giving it a chance to prove itself? This is one problem with those who fear change. The university will not move on if it will not try new things and see if it will improve the system.

The same thing can be said of the Computerized Registration System -- it is not perfect and we definitely will have problems but will we know what the problems will be if we don't try it out?


>>> Singit po ako dito! hehehe GE courses are different from electives. GE courses have a primary goal of broadening the intellectual horizons of the students while electives are taken because the students are interested in those fields. It does not follow that the electives that a student takes are meant to make a student well rounded. The GE program must not be market-driven. I would also, like to point out that our GE program must be a program that should correspond to our needs and to the needs of our country.

You see, in the UK (and most of Europe), they do not have GE courses but "electives." Students take only their core courses and then opt to take Humanities, Literature or whatever they want. The GE system is part of the American educational system, which the country has been poorly imitating! It is high time that we review our educational system and adopt another one.

Anyway, that being said - do we say that our European brothers are inferior to our American brothers when it comes to education because they do not have GE courses?

As for the GE programme not being market driven - sad to say but sometimes we need to face the fact that it has to be. It is one thing to be a 'well-rounded' individual by forcing subjects that that individual does not even want to study and it is another thing to let the individual chose whatever he/she likes to study. If I were given the same choices, I will not take Nat Sci I and Nat Sci II but instead take Bio or Physics GEs, nor will I take Soc. Sci I and Soc Sci II but take something else that is more relevant to my interests.


salamat prof_x sa pag-reply niyo po, teacher ba po kayo sa UP? :)

U-nibersidad ng Pilipinas!

Salamat din ng marami sa mga magagandang puntos na iyong ipinaliwanag dito. Wag ka mag-alala, ako ay naghihintay din ng apat na taon upang malaman kung ano talaga ang produktong magagawa mula sa RGEP na ito.

As for me being a teacher - bakit? Do I sound like one? :)

[n3X]

Originally posted by prof_x


Di ba nag-history ka na sa high school? Bakit kailangan ulitin pa ito?
>>>> Actually hindi nga inuulit, kung pinapalalim pa. Importante na mas lalong maintindihan ng mga Iskolar ng Bayan kung bakit ganito ang panahon ngayon. Marami rin mga mali sa HS na maaring i-tama sa kolehiyo.


Yes, I agree - 101%!! Problem is - you cannot instill the sense of patriotism by GE subjects alone. It is inherent in one's own belief. If one believes that the country will no longer improve and that they cannot do anything to help improve it, they leave. However, most of us who think otherwise, stay. I am not saying that all those who have left think this way but there are some who do.
>>>> Oo nga. Kahit na sabihin natin na nasa belief na ng isang tao yun, kung marami siyang natutunan, magbabago siya. Sabi sa Psych 101, ang isang importante na mark na natuto ang isang tao e kapag nagbago ang behavior niya. At oo nga nde lang na-iinstill ang patriotism sa GE subjects lang pero inimply mo na rin, isang way rin ang GE subjects.


Technically, GE pa rin yun. You get 9 units off your Humanities domain and 3 units off the Social Science (tama ba?). There is no problem really - it just allows more flexibility to the students = more freedom to choose which subjects they want to enrol in. Heck, the some of the old GE subjects had no 'sense' in my degree. ;-)
>>>> Sa pangalan lang na GE iyun ngunit katulad ng sinabi ko, in essence, hindi. Agree ako na per degree may sariling-designed na GE program ngunit hindi dahil sa dahilan para may freedom silang mamili ng subjects.



Why are you shooting it down right away without giving it a chance to prove itself? This is one problem with those who fear change. The university will not move on if it will not try new things and see if it will improve the system.

The same thing can be said of the Computerized Registration System -- it is not perfect and we definitely will have problems but will we know what the problems will be if we don't try it out?
>>>> Actually di ako natatakot sa change, mahilig nga ako sa change e. :) Pero kung gagawa tayo ng mga pagbabago dapat suriin natin sila ng mabuti. Bakit? Para hindi tayo nagsasayang ng pera, panahon, etc.



You see, in the UK (and most of Europe), they do not have GE courses but "electives." Students take only their core courses and then opt to take Humanities, Literature or whatever they want. The GE system is part of the American educational system, which the country has been poorly imitating! It is high time that we review our educational system and adopt another one.
>>>> Ano ba sinabi ko?

Anyway, that being said - do we say that our European brothers are inferior to our American brothers when it comes to education because they do not have GE courses?
>>>> Sa alam ko walang nagsasabi niyan, ikaw nga nagsabi niyan e.

As for the GE programme not being market driven - sad to say but sometimes we need to face the fact that it has to be. It is one thing to be a 'well-rounded' individual by forcing subjects that that individual does not even want to study and it is another thing to let the individual chose whatever he/she likes to study. If I were given the same choices, I will not take Nat Sci I and Nat Sci II but instead take Bio or Physics GEs, nor will I take Soc. Sci I and Soc Sci II but take something else that is more relevant to my interests.
>>>> Kasi nga ang GE program hindi General kapag market-driven kung nagiging Personal Program. Paano ka magiging well-rounded kung interests mo lang ang kinukuha mo, e di mas nagiging narrow ang scope mo diba?

As for me being a teacher - bakit? Do I sound like one? :)
>>>> prof_x kasi name mo, e akala ko prof ka. At supporter ka ng RGEP. :)