Career and Networking Thread for ARCHITECTS

[napipapi]

hi! i'm a new arki grad. many of my colleagues say that there is no money in arki. what do you think? :cool:

[zimdude]

Supply and demand... if there's no construction going on... then they don't need architects... ?

There are some threads here about Construction Industry, maybe you'd like to take a look.

[KuyaDanny]

We count among the ranks of more prominent and successful PExers EricGozar, who is an architect and has made a name for himself. Maybe he will notice this thread and share his thoughts the next time he visits.

[KuyaDanny]

Click here for EricGozar's website (http://www.geocities.com/ericgozar/Default.html)

[EricGozar]

There's no money in Architecture!!:

Kuya Danny sent me an email and as I am a loyal PExer, I am but obliged to submit to his request to visit this thread. Thanks Kuya Danny and here is my one cent of wisdom, first part.

Yep, there's none! But that should be taken in a context. At what level that is the question!
There's no money if you could not replace your '97 model Corrolla to a 2000 BMW, there's no money if you can't visit Europe and could only afford Cebu excursions, there's no money ( to the extreme) if you are just eating in Jupiter St. but could still not afford weekly sprints at Shangrila Hotel. That is what I mean. It all boils down to what level of income you are aiming at.

The Fresh Graduate:
Of course, there will be no money right away when you are a fresh graduate. I do not demean a fresh graduate! They are the hopefuls of the new age. A graduate with a diploma, means the "new architect" is ready, (again READY ) to learn! . He is not out there to make money right away. He is out in this world to learn how to make it big and thereafter and of course to "make money". That is the hard fact and if a new grad could not live with that, then he is in for a big surprise.

The Income:
Blessed are the fresh grads that could understand these premise and still make money, even if it is a meager income. Yet there are the "very lucky" who makes his first break within the first three years of his graduate life. But they are not the best of the pack, because, their skills were put to the test in a very early, unlearned stage.

The profession:
The profession of architecture is likened to that of a doctor. After graduation, one has to go to "internship". Architects go through a real world "intership", where there are no classrooms or labs but the real practicing world of the profession. One has to be in the jobsite, the studio and with the clients.

TRIVIA:
In one of the surveys done by Time magazine back in the 90's, it was published: Ten most popular "regular or typical" professionals in the world who will make their first million in their lifetime!

professional at age
1. broker 21
2. accountant 25
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9. architect 50
10. doctor 52

Now you know when you will be most popular and make your first million. But, I say but, it is totally up to oneself to disprove that and make it happen early in his life.

More later.......

[tr|n|ty]

a broker will not get his first million at 21 unless he has major selling skills or his dad is a big stockmarket player or he has a thing going on like in the movie "Boiler Room". i think an investment banker would get there faster than a broker.

wait..are we talking about dollars or pesos? hehehe.

[tr|n|ty]

but then again, brokers/traders only work when the market is open, Ibankers are in the office 100 hours a week, so when you think about it, they get the same or lower hourly rates than Minimum wagers.

[aticus]

Originally posted by tr|n|ty
a broker will not get his first million at 21 unless he has major selling skills or his dad is a big stockmarket player or he has a thing going on like in the movie "Boiler Room". i think an investment banker would get there faster than a broker.

wait..are we talking about dollars or pesos? hehehe.

Of course you mentioned the Boiler Room... :lol:

I wonder why? ;)

[tr|n|ty]

of course, i mentioned the Boiler Room. it's a good movie. i was very disappointed the film did not get any Oscar nod.

did i mention that I love "the fast and the furious"as well?

hehehe.

[ilpadrino]

There are two worlds they design and construct buildings in. The other is made up of 0's and 1's, and very popular among gamers.

[EricGozar]

trinity - yeah, maybe you're right, but the investment banker (ibanker) is only a 30 year old profession, whereas a broker has been around since the days of the Egyptians! ;)

[tr|n|ty]

EricGozar-uh ok. but then again, the existence of the profession in ancient times and the age of "getting their first million" does not have any relation, IMHO. if we were to put this rationale in, you would think that a prostitute would be getting the most money at a certain age.

i digress.

carry on with the arki talk.

[napipapi]

Thanks for the replies pipol! actually i'm satisfied with what im doing at this time in my career. i actually get to design and talk and negotiate with clients. it's just sad that some of my co-grads just veer away from arki and go to computer-related stuff, like graphic design. its just sad that they wasted their 5 years and end up doing different things. :)

[ohmy]

dude i wouldnt call it waste of time yun 5 years in archi.. i took my 5 years in UST, which was super fun and i did learned a lot from friends, profs.. made new contacts and etc..

i learned that i cant get my license when i was in 3rd year due to citizenship. but i carried on. since i love designing and everything that goes around it..

my first job started 2 days after grad. i supervised construction for a big industrial compound in bulacan. everything from materials, implementation of designs, even down to BOI papers are included in my scope of work..

2nd job, designer for an archi firm in san juan. after 2 month i was promoted to be AVP and assisted with the head architect in coordinating projects, meetings, planning.. it was a great learning experience for an archi grad. but i was earning 1/5 of what i was earning from my 1st job. then i left to study CADD and 3D graphics.

3rd job, got a call from someone who saw my work somewhere. went to an informal interview then later met up with the US boss and UK vp. got the job as a computer animator. stayed for 2years, learned almost everything and anything under the sun thats related to media. i was using what i've learned from my 5yr course in doing designs, 3d modeling etc..

4th job, went back to contruction. this time, doing ready-mix concrete. took my rounds in the company from heading the motor pool, to marketing. learning whatever i can during my stay. and yes, being an archi grad does help in dealing with fellow architects and clients, since i am just one of them.

now, i am a freelance web designer and photographer. still using what i've learned from my 5yr course way back 90's.. from designing to compositions even my taste to finer things were products of my stay in UST.

i dunno how is it for your friends. but if i were to do things again. i would still go to UST for my architecture couse :)

so however the path might lead you, do not be afraid to try new things. just because you took 5years of tears and sweats to finish archi, doesnt mean you have to stick with it for the rest of your life. who knows, you might end up being a librarian? :D

[leelayce]

MERON

[mercury]

Would you know of any forums for architects? I need to get to that site, if there is one like that. I have inquiries lang and stuff like that. I hope you could direct me to that site if there is any. Thank you...

[FendeR_21]

I dont know if the problem is just with me. Whats next after graduation or after getting the license? going into apprenticeship or being a draftsman does no good for me because of the pay. We've all experienced being draftsmen trainees and as far as i can see, its a difficult industry at these times, i mean the pay always sucks. Does our course have the flexiblity to land other better jobs? I think were facing the same dilemmas with engineers but i sometimes feel they are more flexible than us.. I cant even beleive it, im thinking of call center now just to feed me... any thoughts? whats the next best fallback option for our line?

[Dunedain]

I had the opportunity to work in HK right after graduation (which is safe to say that my first job was an off-shore one). Kaso nga lang, I was had picked (along with a few). But when I went back to Pinas, I hung around a couple of architectural firms but like you mentioned, the pay sucks, but I was able to use that time to garner some more experience "points" on being a technical draftsman (which is not common yet at that time kasi takot pa sila sa AutoCAD) as well as traditional (pencil and ink). But since I stepped into the technical side, why not venture further into the "realm" of technicality (computers)? When I went back to HK (more like expatriated again), I was entirely a technical draftsman and moved up the corporate ladder. Again, used the time there to build more experience "points". Eventually, contacts and fellow artists in LA convinced me that I can do more good in LA than in HK or Pinas. And the rest was history....

Call centers are your very last option. There are several options of work from an archi-grad (which makes us very flexible), field related (on site or off site) or somewhat related (artist, animator, etc), technical or not.

BTW, welcome to the field. :D

[executor]

archi grads are really having a hard time landing on the sweet spot these days. so in the mean time, im taking some minor projects and masteral studies. im also starting up a CAD based business. but hey, im still young pa naman.

[FendeR_21]

im currently resigned from my ****** awful paying job at a construction company but hey its a good experience. Im doing CAd works and 3d Viz/Max presentations business... ur right executor... Archi grads/proffessionals definetely are not getting sweet jobs. hey were still young naman ehhe

[BingoWingo]

archi grads now are really experiencing bad futures ahead of them.
Im an archi grad, for almost 10 yrs now, pinapractice ko lang course ko pag may nagpapagawa, pag wala, wala.
basically mas maganda pa magopen ng business na lang..tsaka no 2, ang mga owners ngayon..pag maninggil ka sasabihin pa sa yong drawing lang yan..bakit ang taas mo maninggil?
parang sinabing ang bilis bilis lang magdrawing..ganon ang pagiisip ng tao, pero di nila alam na 5 years natin pinagaralan magdesign ng bahay..Gusto pa ng iba i-TY na lang(most of my clients I encountered they want to pack it with construction but I said no)..
then to top it off, rami archi na they give drawings for free..so hirap buhay ng archi talaga..thinking of it, we shouldve taken another course then..
kung ala ka contacts talaga sa family and referrals, mahirap talaga..di kahit na magaling ka...wala sa galing, kungdi sa contacts pa rin.

[Dunedain]

Archi grads have the best "eye" when it comes to scale, as well as seeing things in a certain dimension, it is never in 2D. As for alternatives but in relation to the use of "scale", check this out...

URL: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150803

[FendeR_21]

ur right bingowingo... but lets be proud of our license.. i just passed last January 2003 , still very raw n (promising) ehhe its hard these days... it wasnt the same 15 years ago when u grad as an ARCHI... ur mighty but now we gotta adopt.. we have to wear different hats, i dont know where to start though :)

[livs]

Inspite of everything.... the low pay, the lack of personal clients and projects... I don't regret taking up architecture and becoming an architect. It's still a romantic career to choose. Read "The Fountainhead" by Ayn Rand to regain your idealism if you're feeling a bit disillusioned.

Right now, I work for one of the busiest firms in Makati..... and even though we have a lot of big projects and clients right now, it's so sad that we remain one of the lowest paid employees around. Even with a license under my belt ( I passed the board January 2001), my salary is way below that of a call center agent. And I should know..... I am one! Right now, I work part-time at a call center here in Makati to supplement my income.

[mac_bolan00]

work for a couple of years in construction and real estate and then, go into business. you don't have to offer architectural services. you could just be a trader (for construction material), or a minor contractor, an interior designer, or even a decorator-at-large (parties, valentines, holloween, christmas, etc.)

[FendeR_21]

Livs! r u from Cebu? wahh we totally share the same situation... M call center bound (in my mind) and yes we are very poorly paid

[FendeR_21]

Architecture is a truly romantic and fulfilling profession.. i dont regret taking that course, only the Economic situation is making things tough :)

[BingoWingo]

surprised to see rami nagrespond rto sa topic na ito..and glad na nabuhay ang topic na ito...

to Fender: yep, at least we got our titles, and forever we can be proud to say, that we have a title, problem is, hanggang doon na lang yun, unless you get some notable projects at kung magfrefreelance ka..doon ka makikilala..btw, 10 yrs pa lang ako graduate..not 15 yrs hehehe..pinapatanda mo pa ako eh!

to mac_bolano: i am a registered real estate broker, also, so on the plus side, yun ang sideline ko, since that is our family business. thing is, pangit ngayon ang real estate and construction industry, since 1997 pa down the economy.
and to think of it, mas maganda pa nga real estate eh..ang puhunan mo laway lang, unlike archi, u have to design and draw, at babaratin ka pa ng clients mo sa mga drawings mo...parang tiangge..

livs: believe rin ako sa yo na may part time ka sa call center...so u mean to say you work am shifts at an architectural office, and pm shifts at a call center..di ba mahirap magrotate ng sched yun?

for all i can see..i shouldve taken a different course...which I am thinking right now, habang mahina ang projects sa manila...

[FendeR_21]

mahina ang projects sa manila... *** else for other places like Cebu n Davao?? huh, kailan kaya tayo makakabawi at maging in demand ang mga Architects?? D pa naman huli, mag nursing na tayu :)

[livs]

Hey, don't lose heart, people. They say architecture is an old man's profession, meaning it gets more and more financially rewarding as we grow older and gain more experience, much like being a doctor. So let's all hang in there.

Fender: yup, i'm from cebu. I graduated from san carlos. but currently, i'm working here in makati. Sad to say, architects will never be as in demand as nurses.... but that's a good thing.

BingoWingo: the great thing with working part time at a call center is you get to choose your schedule. So yes, I work from 9 to 6 as a designer at an architectural firm, and then after that I work for 2 to 4 hours at a call center. The funny thing is.....what I earn in 2 hours at a call center is almost as much as what I earn for 8 hours at an architecture firm. Pero, ok lang... I wouldn't give up architecture to work full time at a call center, no matter how big the salary is there. No way.

[FendeR_21]

Yeah lets hang on Livs! Im from USC too, batch 2002. Basin nag kita ta before, sge bai update, Proud si Espina Nimo hehe :)

[BingoWingo]

to fender21: actually nursing was my first choice on my preference/s on choosing a future career..but de talaga sa akin ang nursing for 2 reasons..

1- i failed the entrance at UST
and no 2- the most important thing is...I cant tolerate the sight of blood..nagcollapse na ako noong kinukunan ng blood, what more pag ako ang kukuha hehe..
isa pa dati noong first day ng orientation sa UST...sabi ko sa sarili ko...wow cucute ng dolls sa medical audi...un pala eh...mga dead fetuses na nasa formaldehyde yun...it really sucks..

my first choice talaga when I took up my entrance at UP UST and Lasalle, were nursing and engg....didnt get in to UP(didnt apply for archi there), I passed the eng'g exam at Lasalle but since malayo sa amin, inayawan ko...then waited for the exams at UST and passed both commerce and archi(not nursing)..pero accdg to my sister mas malaki pera sa archi...commerce business kahit sino naman makakapag-business...
so it was really the luck of the draw..

but now that we have finished our course...wala matutunguhan except na lang kung kilalang kilala kang archi..my friends worked for notable firms pa nga like G&W, Licup, Locsin, Coscuella, and Palafox...mataas na positions nila doon but now na nagfreelance sila wala rin silang makuhang projects..just goes to show you how bad the economy is..
they either went to another field(like food or garments) to get some income on their part..

to liv2: I admire you na sipag mo talaga...9-12 pasok mo almost everyday..nakakapagod yan ah...yeah I do agree that malaki sweldo sa call center(archi starting is 7-8 ata for draftsman, compared to a call center of 10-12 T)but its not for me,,anyhow may business naman ako to tide me by pag wala projects..

btw, which architectural firm are you affiliated with at makati(baka kaoffice mate mo pa mga barkada ko sa USte hehe)? just curious...

[livs]

fender21: yeah, maybe I know u. Cebu is such a small place after all. Samot na ang san carlos.

bingowingo: not naman 9 to 12. hanggang 10 pm maximum lang, so hindi pa rin ako sleep deprived. i don't want to mention my firm. basta, we're the firm that did greenbelt2 and is doing the manansala. halos lahat dito taga uste. ako lang ang lone representative ng san carlos.

[samantha_jones]

If you resort to working at a call center FOR THE MEAN TIME. Rather than actively pursuing being a full time designer does that mean that you are not passionate about architecture?

[FendeR_21]

i am passionate about Architecture.
im currently at a call center now bcoz i gave in to the financial pressure in which my passion was not able to live up.
For now it is for the mean time, when im done here, i will look back and be proud to have tried something so different than what i was trained for.
after 6 months i am so glad nabuhay ang thread na ito....
pls i could be gone here any minute, tell me where are the new architects headed? i will join the herd


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[samantha_jones]

I am not sure where the new herd is headed right now a couple of my friends have already joined some call centers...grabe...but I think that we have better oppurtunities abroad...last august I was denied a VISA because the consul thought that the course was very portable and the job is very much in demand in the US. I am looking into going to Singapore... HBA (Hirsch Bedner and Associates) have an office there...worth a shot but for now...I am honing CAD skills because I simply suck...and will try to grab what's left of those 5 units I left. :D

[FendeR_21]

Ey Samantha, i can teach you how to use CAD and tell me where to go get a job :)

[samantha_jones]

Fender: You mean abroad? Hmmm...well you can try to get in at HBA Singapore. I'll ask my friend for more details. I am enrolling at Microcadd. Hehe. It's okay. I actually know na how to use cad I just need more improvement. Hey...try mo HBA Singapore. I will ask how to apply kasi sinasabi lang din sakin. Hey, board passer na ba ikaw?

[FendeR_21]

board passer hehe Thanks the Lord naka tsyamba :) hmmm wow Singapore.. i have no idea how to get there ;) wala na ba talaga dito sa Pinas?

[Dunedain]

Originally posted by FendeR_21
board passer hehe Thanks the Lord naka tsyamba :) hmmm wow Singapore.. i have no idea how to get there ;) wala na ba talaga dito sa Pinas?

Usually, this is done by a gamble. You can simply go there and check out the job market, establish contacts, and connections then go back to Pinas - RECON the area. This will basically prepare you what to expect in the first 6 months to a year (or so) living and working in a foreign country, completely alienated and away from the nearest kin - in other words, no one else will look after your needs but only yourself. It's not entirely the best way around employment overseas recruiters since the only loss is money spent on the trip, but it's one of the many ways to work in the field overseas without spending moolah for overseas recruiters. A couple of us done thing before but in HK back in '92, but majority of my circle of friends back in UST headed out to Singapore. In less than 8 years, majority of my circle of budds have migrated from Singapore and HK to the US, working on various fields that are into or somewhat close to architecture, and the rest was history.

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by FendeR_21
board passer hehe Thanks the Lord naka tsyamba :) hmmm wow Singapore.. i have no idea how to get there ;) wala na ba talaga dito sa Pinas?


Well you can try to apply sa mga sikat na firms ngayon. Also I know Laguna Properties have spot. I was supposed to apply sa kanila them yun nga I am not that proficient in Cad beginner's lang yung skills ko. Plus I think for training lang yung spot nila. Anyway...Singapore is just 3 hours plane ride away. I went there last year. It's really nice. My aunt is looking for a post for me there after I complete my thesis. Pwedeng magpasign ng logbook sayo? Hehehe. My aunt kasi worked for HBA in LA so since branch nila Singapore she has contacts there. Well anyway...the reason why Singapore kasi mas madaling maka-acquire ng work visa lalo na if may work ka na. You know what alam ko they want someone na astig sa cad at mas astig magrender. :D Yun lang...try mo magsubmit ng portfolios online. I will ask my friends and my aunt kung may vacancy. :D

Pwede bang magapsign ng logbook sayo?!

[FendeR_21]

oo pwede kaya lang wala akong project.. k lang yun? hheheh :)

[samantha_jones]

Ilang years na ba ikaw since you graduated? Usually basta cad proficient ka they will get you!!! :D

[FendeR_21]

hmm year or two, duno im 23 yrs pa hehe

[samantha_jones]

I see. Well goodluck I will try to get as much information for opportunities abroad. :D Hay goodluck to us all.

[noriel]

anyone here know how much is the fee for an architect just creating a house plan?

my wife and i have recently a baguio lot. we are in the process of interviewing architects and builders but we are not sure of the usual fees.

[cheddar]

off topic lang:

i'd like to learn auto cad. do you guys know where i can have cheap cad lessons? ang mahal mahal sa informatics

[Dunedain]

Originally posted by noriel
anyone here know how much is the fee for an architect just creating a house plan?

my wife and i have recently a baguio lot. we are in the process of interviewing architects and builders but we are not sure of the usual fees.

If I remember correctly, architects charge somewhat 15% of total construction cost. Not sure about contractors.

[noriel]

Originally posted by Dunedain
If I remember correctly, architects charge somewhat 15% of total construction cost. Not sure about contractors.

thank you! it is kinda steep for just a plan. i guess my wife can haggle down the price.

:rolleyes:

[FendeR_21]

off topic
@cheddar: well the important thing in Autocad (or like any other program) is knowing the interface, how to use the commands, navigating etc... but once you know that it is just a matter of self-exploration :) so importante lang yong first step, if wala kang pera to go to school you can ask someone tips and lessons

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by noriel
thank you! it is kinda steep for just a plan. i guess my wife can haggle down the price.

:rolleyes:

Actually...10% of the contract cost (construction cost) ang fee of practising architects...its in the architects code/manual whatever...but if you find someone who is a fresh grad or a newly licensed architect mababa lang like 5% or something...depends...pag fresh grad usually per sheet ang charge or hours...anyway hanap kayo ng fresh grad tapos you can have the work signed by a licensed architect...it's better if you know someone kasi medyo mahal din to...Actually I can do it and have one of my professors sign the contract documents... :D Hahahaha. Pero mas better kung recent board passer...para talagang sure na...kasi eager kami to practice what we learned...pero kung kay Locsin or kay Palafox mo gusto...million to!!! 10% or more and charge...hehe :D

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by FendeR_21
off topic
@cheddar: well the important thing in Autocad (or like any other program) is knowing the interface, how to use the commands, navigating etc... but once you know that it is just a matter of self-exploration :) so importante lang yong first step, if wala kang pera to go to school you can ask someone tips and lessons

Actually cheddar...5,000 sa MICROCADD...I think they have cheapest e...2D and 3D na ito...complete module unlick sa informatics...2D module 7,000 plus yata...blech...Microcadd ka na para classmates tayo...sa June 7 ang start!!! Sa Makati...here tawag ka sa makati...

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Available Schedules are:
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If you want to inquire sa other branches...sa kanila ka na rin tumawag...hehe okay lang yun!!! :D

[noriel]

Originally posted by samantha_jones
Actually...10% of the contract cost (construction cost) ang fee of practising architects...its in the architects code/manual whatever...but if you find someone who is a fresh grad or a newly licensed architect mababa lang like 5% or something...depends...pag fresh grad usually per sheet ang charge or hours...anyway hanap kayo ng fresh grad tapos you can have the work signed by a licensed architect...it's better if you know someone kasi medyo mahal din to...Actually I can do it and have one of my professors sign the contract documents... :D Hahahaha. Pero mas better kung recent board passer...para talagang sure na...kasi eager kami to practice what we learned...pero kung kay Locsin or kay Palafox mo gusto...million to!!! 10% or more and charge...hehe :D

hi samantha_jones,

maraming salamat for the quick reply!

from the internet, my wife and i know of the excellent reputation that the locsin and palafox architectural firms have built but unfortunately, we cannot afford their fees. your proposal of 5% of total construction cost looks more like it is within our alloted building fund.

last year, we have just finished paying for a 600 square meter lot on installment in baguio. it is located adjacent to amparo heights near petersville subdivision on kennon road midway from bgh and the road going to loakan airport. are you familiar with the baguio address, live there or know of any fresh grad architect there?

we have also been talking to two other established architects (chans) in baguio but their estimates are way over our budget. we spoke to a geodetic/construction engineer who verified the title/surveyed the terrain and proposed to do the rip rap and fencing contracts.

he suggested just to buy an architectural plan from a fresh grad like yourself to save money. he has done it himself - built two houses already - but his fresh architect grad has left the country.

so, this is the option we are exploring since my wife and i have decided to go into retirement mode this year on a fixed income. our time frame is one year.

check your pm. i have pictures of my wife, the baguio lot, home plans, ideas for our ideal retirement home and our cell phone numbers.

our two-car garage/four bedroom/one story minimum requirement based on the
philippine building code: (http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno6541.htm)

SECTION 3.01.08: Maximum Requirements for Group A Dwellings:

"(a) Dwelling Location and Lot Occupancy. The dwelling shall occupy not more than 90 per cent of a corner lot and 80 per cent of an inside lot, and subject to the provisions on easements of light and view of the Civil Code of the Philippines, shall be at least 2.00 meters (6 feet, inches) from the property line.

(b) Light and Ventilation. Every dwelling shall be so constructed and arranged as to provide adequate light and ventilation.

(1) Habitable rooms, bathrooms, toilet rooms and utility rooms shall have a height of not less than 2.40 meters (8 feet), measured from floor to ceiling.

(2) Rooms shall have a minimum size of 6.00 square meters (65 square feet) with a least horizontal dimension of 2.00 meters (6 feet, 7 inches) for rooms of human habitations; 3.00 square meters (32 feet) with a least horizontal dimension of 1.50 meters (5 feet) for kitchens; and 1.20 square meters (13 square feet) with a least horizontal dimension of 90 centimeters (3 feet) for bathrooms.

(3) Windows shall be at least 1/10th of the floor area of the room.

(c) Sanitation. Every dwelling shall be provided with at least one sanitary toilet and adequate washing and drainage facilities.

(d) Foundation. Footing shall be of sufficient size and strength to support the load and dwelling and shall be at least 30 centimeters (1 foot) thick and 60 centimeters (2 feet) below the surface of the ground. Each post shall be anchored to such footings by straps and bolts of adequate size.

(e) Post or Suportales. The dimensions of wooden post or suportales shall be those found in Table 3.01 - A Dimension of Wooden Posts or Suportales (Annex B).

(f) Floor. The live load of the first floor shall be at least 200 kilograms per square meter (40 pounds per square foot) and for the second floor, at least 150 kilograms per square meter (30 pounds per square foot).

(g) Roof. The wind load for roofs shall be at least 150 kilograms per square meter (30 pounds per square foot).

(h) Stairs. Stairs may be 75 centimeters (30 inches) wide, with a rise of 20 centimeters (8 inches) and a run of 23 centimeters (9 inches).

(i) Entrance and Exit. There shall be one entrance and one exit.

(j) Electrical Outlets. There shall be at least one convenience outlet per 6.00 meters (20 feet) of wall measured along the floor and one light outlet for every room.

something like this floor plan :
http://www.designsplus.com/pictures/DMAD0/PLANin00881/first364FLR.JPG
and a frontal view like this:http://www.designsplus.com/pictures/DMAD0/PLANin00662/featured191ART.JPG

again, thank you!

good luck and god bless to y'all fresh grads!

archibald and norielynn lawson


:cool:

[samantha_jones]

Where did you get the plans? Actually...it looks like you got it from one of the American Home Plans Magazines...in my opinion american homes arent that in line with our culture. Homes have also been designed to suit our culture and behavior too. Anyway..the bulding code can be twisted ng konti...hehe...anyway...the choice of facade is also nice...simple and cozy...maybe you can email me sone of the things you want in your house and when I'm not too busy i can rough sketch a plan...or probably refer you to one of my classmates. :D

[gumacanian]

Anyway..the bulding code can be twisted ng konti...hehe...

Lets be honest..Under the table payments can resolve most problems..

I noticed that the bungalow style house in the plan is of timber frame construction.. How does this compare (pricewise) with the traditional hollow block and steel structure??
Obviously savings are made on foundation expences..But where else?

Noriel...Not being rude..But how much did you pay for the land per sq mtr in the end??

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by gumacanian

Noriel...Not being rude..But how much did you pay for the land per sq mtr in the end??


Dude of course it would be expensive to use wood because of treatments and maintenance...pero shempre pwede naman na hindi wood ang gamitin diba?! Anyway...uhmm what did you mean by that? *Look up* Hehe :D

[gumacanian]

Nothing to worry about..That question was directed at Noriel..

[gumacanian]

Anyway..10% must mean you architects are filthy rich by 30 yrs of age!! You could retire at 35!!

[noriel]

Originally posted by samantha_jones
Where did you get the plans? Actually...it looks like you got it from one of the American Home Plans Magazines...in my opinion american homes arent that in line with our culture. Homes have also been designed to suit our culture and behavior too.

http://www.designsplus.com/pictures/DMAD0/PLANin00865/first330flr.JPG
Plan Features
Total: 2310 sq ft
1st Floor: 2310 sq ft
4 Bedrooms
3 Baths
1 Story/Stories
Dimensions: 70 W by 21 H
Depth: 60
Foundation Type: Crawl space
Garage Type: 3 Car/Cars
Roof Framing: a-frame Truss
Pricing Information
5 sets of blueprints at $630
8 Sets of blueprints at $760

Plan Options
Reproducible $870
Extra Sets Blueprints $55
CAD $870
Vellums $870
Study Prints $500

AS30-330 / Rollins
Traditional Home Plan
The Rollins is a spacious, midsize home with a single-level floor plan and a three-vehicle garage. It could be easily adapted for wheelchair accessibility.

from: homedesignsplus.com (http://www.designsplus.com/PLANin00865.html)

if possible, we would like to build our retirement home using both cultures. we have seen pictures of beautiful homes made of concrete walls, like the spanish-type adobe but instead of red roof tiles - with nipa roofs.

Anyway..the bulding code can be twisted ng konti...hehe...anyway...the choice of facade is also nice...simple and cozy...

no, my wife and i want to make sure we are building a home according to the philippine building code. i would not want it any other way...unless it does...no other way!

thank you for the kind and cozy words..yes, we do want our home facade to be simple and unassuming like we are. it would/should reflect our lifestyle, devoid of too much form but more on function, pragmatic as we both are.

maybe you can email me sone of the things you want in your house and when I'm not too busy i can rough sketch a plan...or probably refer you to one of my classmates. :D

check your pm. and again thank you very much!

god bless you samantha and all the pexers who pm/e-mailed us!



:)

[noriel]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gumacanian
[B]Lets be honest..double post

:(

[noriel]

Originally posted by gumacanian
Lets be honest..Under the table payments can resolve most problems..

I noticed that the bungalow style house in the plan is of timber frame construction.. How does this compare (pricewise) with the traditional hollow block and steel structure??
Obviously savings are made on foundation expences..But where else?

Noriel...Not being rude..But how much did you pay for the land per sq mtr in the end??

let us be crystal clear and honest here! my wife and i do not and never will deal with shady people!

architects we spoke to all agreed that building homes with concrete and hollow blocks is the cheaper way because of the dwindling lumber resources.

doing some of it (floor tiling, wall-papering, painting, installation of appliances, basement construction, etc) ourselves with the help of my in-laws is another way of cost-saving.

we paid 5000 pesos/sq. meters..thanks for your very helpful and insightful pm..i replied with more details.

cheers,

archibald and norielynn lawson

:)

[gumacanian]

let us be crystal clear and honest here! my wife and i do not and never will deal with shady people!

:lol:

I admire your honesty and like I said..I wish you luck..You will need your fair share if you are unwilling to pay that "little extra"!!
Time is money.
A P1000 here and a P1000 there can buy time..Unfortunatley the guys that dont pay under the table go right to the back of the queue... Sorry..Thats me being honest.

Yes..I checked out the pics..Nice!! Reminds me of why I purchased my little lot up there 12 something years back..

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by gumacanian
Anyway..10% must mean you architects are filthy rich by 30 yrs of age!! You could retire at 35!!

I wish...maybe if I get big break and get projects left and right...or if my future firm grows like Fransisco Manosa or Locsin's firm. Anyway...you start small ofcourse!!!

Noriel: Goodluck with your project. By the way...it's wise that you're following the building code thoroughly but you know if it's residential...the main concern is the easements, clearances, electrical, plumbing and ventillation...everything else is just there to confuse us hehehe...but most of what's in the bldg code is for commerical establishments...it really depends on what kind of structure and it's function.

[gumacanian]

I just recieved my transfer certificate of title.
We were told it should have taken 3 months to process..
We got it in 2 weeks..I wonder why?

the main concern is the easements, clearances, electrical, plumbing and ventillation...everything else is just there to confuse us hehehe

Or ....to slightly adjust admin costs ...What do you think?

[noriel]

Originally posted by samantha_jones
I wish...maybe if I get big break and get projects left and right...or if my future firm grows like Fransisco Manosa or Locsin's firm. Anyway...you start small ofcourse!!!

Noriel: Goodluck with your project. By the way...it's wise that you're following the building code thoroughly but you know if it's residential...the main concern is the easements, clearances, electrical, plumbing and ventillation...everything else is just there to confuse us hehehe...but most of what's in the bldg code is for commerical establishments...it really depends on what kind of structure and it's function.

thank you samantha_jones!

is architect manosa the same as bobby?


Bobby Mañosa: It's not just the theory
by: Reg Villaluz, uap

http://www.myinterspec.net/articles/designers/manosa_bobby.jpg

excerpts:

"So many things have been written and still he is continually featured by prestigious magazines and international books. I again was nervous meeting him though I have listened to him lecture while I was still in UST and enjoy more now as a professional.

Bobby was very accommodating and warm. He openly admits he is a talker. Honestly, it took me sometime to figure out what to write. I am writing a simple encounter with a man whose reputation almost precedes him. What inspires me now is that I met a man who remains grounded despite his renowned success. His theory has always been the topic and his style has always been featured in countless tribunes, newspapers, international magazines...you name it! And this humble newsletter attempts to shed some light to the man and show a lighter side of him.

Truly, this man is very proud to be Filipino. He exudes this in his designs and his design philosophy. He tells me that his focus in creating architecture ever since is the practice of the Filipino culture, to involve details in the architectural world where he can associate our country, where he can associate himself being a Filipino.

The love of country is what we need more to express. Bobby conveys that it is very sad that now day people take no pride in saying “This is Filipino!” Very seldom do we hear pride and patriotism for our country. That we even put our culture down by saying its bakya and baduy…this is our identity and we call it as such.

He shared his sentiments with me about the state on how things are here and architecture, different things. And he shared me an experience that happened to him recently. He told me that recently Make A Wish Foundation asked him to meet with a young boy that they have who has cancer. His name is Jon-jon Castillo. He lost his leg due to bone cancer. This boy’s wish was to meet an architect and see an architectural firm because Jon-jon wishes to become an architect one day.

How inspiring and how it makes us realize that we are indeed privileged to practice the profession that we are in. Jon-jon came in crutches along with a group of 15 boys and girls and people from the foundation. Bobby says to the 16 year old boy “Jon-jon, gusto mo pala maging architecto?” “Opo!” Jon-jon immediately answers. Bobby admitted he will always be such a talker and told the boy about architecture, the philosophies and such. After which, all the more Jon-jon just became more excited in his dream to become an architect. Bobby tells Jon-jon affectionately “You must cure yourself.”

Prior the visit, Arch. Mañosa received a call from Jon-jon’s doctor about Jon-jon’s condition that he will not be able to go to his office on that scheduled day because the boy was very ill.

Bobby tells the doctor to let the boy recover and regain his strength so Jon-jon could still visit. Jon-jon did and it was a touching experience for everyone in the firm and the foundation. “An architect is like a doctor. Just as a doctor prescribes medicine for people to get better, people follow because they do want to get better.

As an architect, when you take up architecture you are much like a doctor. Just to what medicine is to a doctor so is what building materials are to an architect. As to what a doctor prescribes, an architect specifies what to use for a structure. You specify concrete , bamboo or whatever tiles and it must be followed because here the architect’s patient is the building.” He explains this to Jon-jon when he visited. It made the concept of being an architect simpler and easy to grasp. These kinds of experiences give a different light to our practice. We have the gift to inspire and influence people and our community.

Bobby amusingly says that he has been saying and lecturing the same philosophy for 25 years. Now, he is coming out with a book. It is entitled accordingly Designing Filipino. He shares that this book would provide a step by step guide for people and couples who would want to build a house.

It’s a guide to our identity, culture and the distinctiveness of being Filipino. Personally, I can’t wait for this book to be launched. He shows me a concept coming from a bahay kubo and integrating it to a contemporary design. You would still be able to see the Filipino character in his concepts.

He shows me around his office. Arch. Mañosa’s firm is comprised of 35 architects and designers wherein you observe the office to be very busy, creating, meeting, and conceptualizing all at the same time. Bobby himself says that when he is in the process of creating and conceptualizing, it is fun for him. We talk about how the Filipino culture evolves and the irony is we are still fall on the bahay kubo and the bahay na bato is still for the rich.

His description of an architect’s job is to design shelter for man and his concern is to design shelter for the Filipino. He stands by developing such shelter. It is our jobs as architects to develop such concept as the bahay kubo and bahay na bato to improve on it and enhance it.

True, we may be left behind by Asian counterparts in terms of technological advances, yet still we must continually strive to develop what we have.

If a client requests him to design Mediterranean for example, he shakes his head to a simple “No”, that he cannot do such a thing. He explains, “If you ask me to design as such, you are not requesting me to create, you want me to copy.

If you want me to create then that is when I design Filipino. I am a Filipino and that’s the only person I only know how to be.” A very understandable reason, simple and true, it hits the core.

Bobby and I shared different thoughts on the negative side of our culture, the crab mentality, the colonial mentality and the usisero as well as the chismosa side of our culture. We are amused at the thought that more often the minimalist style couldn’t really apply to the Filipino because we are a sentimental people in reality. We are TNT in the sense that we are Tago ng tago of memorabilia, keepsakes, and souvenirs. We are guilty of such, even though we design loads of storage space; more often it seems to still lack such storage space. Bobby admits he’s like that and I know I am like that so minimalist is out of the question.

We had an informal, comfortable talk about an abundance of topics relating to architecture, his experiences, and various projects. He showed me in one of his conference rooms pictures of him with various important and influential people that he has served like Carlos P. Romulo, Diosdado Macapal, Corazon Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to name a few.

In reality, Bobby is already part of history though it seems that history makes it sound like such an ancient thing…which he is not, mind you. He has contributed greatly to the foundation of our architecture as a people.

He was good friends with the late Lindy Locsin even when they were in UST when they were just taking up architecture. Both of them met, not through architecture but through music. They met in the UST’s Conservatory of Music not in CAFA. Both of them loves music and they both share a passion in architecture as well. Noticing also, they had a great love and pride of being Filipino.

Even for a short period of time that I have met with him, I admire him being not pretentious. He is down-to-earth for an architect whose achievements are internationally recognized. I have a friend who idolizes Bobby and I completely understand him why.

I could only dream that I could be half of what he is and be given even half of his opportunities. However, Bobby has set a path for young aspirants and architects. He has let other cultures know that we are a force to reckon with in art and architecture. I continue to pray for his continuous blessings, have more chances to create and let the world know the ingenuity of the Filipino."

source: -Released in Skyline, UAP Makati Chapter Newsletter, January-March issue 10 Nov 2003 by
Interspector
(http://www.myinterspec.net/designers.php)
:cool:

[noriel]

Originally posted by gumacanian
:lol:

I admire your honesty and like I said..I wish you luck..You will need your fair share if you are unwilling to pay that "little extra"!!
Time is money.
A P1000 here and a P1000 there can buy time..Unfortunatley the guys that dont pay under the table go right to the back of the queue... Sorry..Thats me being honest.

Yes..I checked out the pics..Nice!! Reminds me of why I purchased my little lot up there 12 something years back..

thank you, gumacanian!

i agree! time is money but where i am at now..that is what i have most abundant. forgive me if it sounds like i am rubbing it in but that is the honest fact of being retired. 26 years in the military "rat race" is enough for me and my wife to stop and smell the baguio roses.

our less abundant housing budget is limited so queing/falling in line is okay. therefore, 1000 pesos here and there is just not a viable cost-saving option.



who knows?

.. two-three years from now..you will do the same as a neighbor.

good luck to you too and btw, when you have arrived...the ice cold san mig is on me!

check your pm for more personal construction questions and details.





:cool:

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by noriel
thank you samantha_jones!

is architect manosa the same as bobby?


Bobby Mañosa: It's not just the theory
by: Reg Villaluz, uap

http://www.myinterspec.net/articles/designers/manosa_bobby.jpg

excerpts:

"So many things have been written and still he is continually featured by prestigious magazines and international books. I again was nervous meeting him though I have listened to him lecture while I was still in UST and enjoy more now as a professional.

Bobby was very accommodating and warm. He openly admits he is a talker. Honestly, it took me sometime to figure out what to write. I am writing a simple encounter with a man whose reputation almost precedes him. What inspires me now is that I met a man who remains grounded despite his renowned success. His theory has always been the topic and his style has always been featured in countless tribunes, newspapers, international magazines...you name it! And this humble newsletter attempts to shed some light to the man and show a lighter side of him.

Truly, this man is very proud to be Filipino. He exudes this in his designs and his design philosophy. He tells me that his focus in creating architecture ever since is the practice of the Filipino culture, to involve details in the architectural world where he can associate our country, where he can associate himself being a Filipino.

The love of country is what we need more to express. Bobby conveys that it is very sad that now day people take no pride in saying “This is Filipino!” Very seldom do we hear pride and patriotism for our country. That we even put our culture down by saying its bakya and baduy…this is our identity and we call it as such.

He shared his sentiments with me about the state on how things are here and architecture, different things. And he shared me an experience that happened to him recently. He told me that recently Make A Wish Foundation asked him to meet with a young boy that they have who has cancer. His name is Jon-jon Castillo. He lost his leg due to bone cancer. This boy’s wish was to meet an architect and see an architectural firm because Jon-jon wishes to become an architect one day.

How inspiring and how it makes us realize that we are indeed privileged to practice the profession that we are in. Jon-jon came in crutches along with a group of 15 boys and girls and people from the foundation. Bobby says to the 16 year old boy “Jon-jon, gusto mo pala maging architecto?” “Opo!” Jon-jon immediately answers. Bobby admitted he will always be such a talker and told the boy about architecture, the philosophies and such. After which, all the more Jon-jon just became more excited in his dream to become an architect. Bobby tells Jon-jon affectionately “You must cure yourself.”

Prior the visit, Arch. Mañosa received a call from Jon-jon’s doctor about Jon-jon’s condition that he will not be able to go to his office on that scheduled day because the boy was very ill.

Bobby tells the doctor to let the boy recover and regain his strength so Jon-jon could still visit. Jon-jon did and it was a touching experience for everyone in the firm and the foundation. “An architect is like a doctor. Just as a doctor prescribes medicine for people to get better, people follow because they do want to get better.

As an architect, when you take up architecture you are much like a doctor. Just to what medicine is to a doctor so is what building materials are to an architect. As to what a doctor prescribes, an architect specifies what to use for a structure. You specify concrete , bamboo or whatever tiles and it must be followed because here the architect’s patient is the building.” He explains this to Jon-jon when he visited. It made the concept of being an architect simpler and easy to grasp. These kinds of experiences give a different light to our practice. We have the gift to inspire and influence people and our community.

Bobby amusingly says that he has been saying and lecturing the same philosophy for 25 years. Now, he is coming out with a book. It is entitled accordingly Designing Filipino. He shares that this book would provide a step by step guide for people and couples who would want to build a house.

It’s a guide to our identity, culture and the distinctiveness of being Filipino. Personally, I can’t wait for this book to be launched. He shows me a concept coming from a bahay kubo and integrating it to a contemporary design. You would still be able to see the Filipino character in his concepts.

He shows me around his office. Arch. Mañosa’s firm is comprised of 35 architects and designers wherein you observe the office to be very busy, creating, meeting, and conceptualizing all at the same time. Bobby himself says that when he is in the process of creating and conceptualizing, it is fun for him. We talk about how the Filipino culture evolves and the irony is we are still fall on the bahay kubo and the bahay na bato is still for the rich.

His description of an architect’s job is to design shelter for man and his concern is to design shelter for the Filipino. He stands by developing such shelter. It is our jobs as architects to develop such concept as the bahay kubo and bahay na bato to improve on it and enhance it.

True, we may be left behind by Asian counterparts in terms of technological advances, yet still we must continually strive to develop what we have.

If a client requests him to design Mediterranean for example, he shakes his head to a simple “No”, that he cannot do such a thing. He explains, “If you ask me to design as such, you are not requesting me to create, you want me to copy.

If you want me to create then that is when I design Filipino. I am a Filipino and that’s the only person I only know how to be.” A very understandable reason, simple and true, it hits the core.

Bobby and I shared different thoughts on the negative side of our culture, the crab mentality, the colonial mentality and the usisero as well as the chismosa side of our culture. We are amused at the thought that more often the minimalist style couldn’t really apply to the Filipino because we are a sentimental people in reality. We are TNT in the sense that we are Tago ng tago of memorabilia, keepsakes, and souvenirs. We are guilty of such, even though we design loads of storage space; more often it seems to still lack such storage space. Bobby admits he’s like that and I know I am like that so minimalist is out of the question.

We had an informal, comfortable talk about an abundance of topics relating to architecture, his experiences, and various projects. He showed me in one of his conference rooms pictures of him with various important and influential people that he has served like Carlos P. Romulo, Diosdado Macapal, Corazon Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to name a few.

In reality, Bobby is already part of history though it seems that history makes it sound like such an ancient thing…which he is not, mind you. He has contributed greatly to the foundation of our architecture as a people.

He was good friends with the late Lindy Locsin even when they were in UST when they were just taking up architecture. Both of them met, not through architecture but through music. They met in the UST’s Conservatory of Music not in CAFA. Both of them loves music and they both share a passion in architecture as well. Noticing also, they had a great love and pride of being Filipino.

Even for a short period of time that I have met with him, I admire him being not pretentious. He is down-to-earth for an architect whose achievements are internationally recognized. I have a friend who idolizes Bobby and I completely understand him why.

I could only dream that I could be half of what he is and be given even half of his opportunities. However, Bobby has set a path for young aspirants and architects. He has let other cultures know that we are a force to reckon with in art and architecture. I continue to pray for his continuous blessings, have more chances to create and let the world know the ingenuity of the Filipino."

source: -Released in Skyline, UAP Makati Chapter Newsletter, January-March issue 10 Nov 2003 by
Interspector
(http://www.myinterspec.net/designers.php)
:cool:

Hey where can I get a full copy of this...I'm not sure who Arch. Bob Manosa is...dami kasi nila...there's also Fransisco Manosa and JT Manosa...so you know maybe he's one of the latter's father or something...but the Manosa's have been known for using the Filipino culture for influences on thier design concepts...hehe sorrt for the lack of vocabulary...

[Shokosugi]

ARCHITECTS are the BIGGEST scums of the earth!

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by Shokosugi
ARCHITECTS are the BIGGEST scums of the earth!

Uhmm I believe you're what I call...a moron. :D Tsacha!

[gumacanian]

ARCHITECTS are the BIGGEST scums of the earth!

Bitter high school drop out...Sad to see!!

[Dunedain]

Originally posted by Shokosugi
ARCHITECTS are the BIGGEST scums of the earth!

:lol: I see that someone couldn't pass the exams.

[samantha_jones]

Originally posted by Dunedain
:lol: I see that someone couldn't pass the exams.

Maybe he didn't even make the entrance exams or if he did...couldn't pass the thesis...or baka sumabit sa design...wither under Noche or Protomartir perhaps...if he's from UST. :D Hahahaha

[Shokosugi]

HAHAHAHAHHA :D :D :D i was jk...just trying to get a rise out of you silly architects :)

[Dunedain]

Originally posted by samantha_jones
Maybe he didn't even make the entrance exams or if he did...couldn't pass the thesis...or baka sumabit sa design...wither under Noche or Protomartir perhaps...if he's from UST. :D Hahahaha

Egads! "Shaolin master look alike" Protomartir is still around? What about Calma? What about "I-will-pump-you-with-bullets" Fernandez? "Fabulous" Bonaobra? And one professor whose name I can't remember but scored more than 160 "OK" in an hour's lecture... :glee:

[samantha_jones]

I think they are still all there...Protmartir was my Design 7 and 8 prof... Calma once asked us if mineral water had an expiration date sometime last yr...Bonaobra was our thesis adviser...Fernandez is around...Oooh did you know Arch Eros Paredes died 2-3 years ago?! Anyway yun lang! :D

[noriel]

Originally posted by samantha_jones
Hey where can I get a full copy of this...I'm not sure who Arch. Bob Manosa is...dami kasi nila...there's also Fransisco Manosa and JT Manosa...so you know maybe he's one of the latter's father or something...but the Manosa's have been known for using the Filipino culture for influences on thier design concepts...hehe sorrt for the lack of vocabulary...

click on this:

http://www.myinterspec.net/designers.php

http://www.myinterspec.net/articles/designers/augusto.jpg

augusto villalon is also featured, he "has worked around the world having professional experience in countries like Honduras, Guatemala, Indonesia, United States and China. His travels brought him all over the globe and he has several experiences teaching regarding this specialized field in Europe.

Arch. Villalon received distinctions for his efforts such as the Dangal ng Haraya Lifetime Achievement Award, National Commission for Culture and the Arts last 2002. He also received the Padre Burgos Award given by the city of Vigan year 2000 and the Medallion of Honor, Patnubay ng Sining at Kalinagan, awarded by the City of Manila in recognition of professional achievement in heritage conservation in 1996.

Indeed, conservation and restoration requires a special talent even among architects because it requires the architect to have an eye for detail and give attention to history. Tedious research and giving respect to the design of the previous architect/artist is observed down to the details in this field. Patience is definitely developed in this specialization."

btw, thank you samantha, kuya danny and pex admins!

through this thread, my wife and i have received very helpful tips/pm responses from two fresh ust architectural grads, including great insights from other pexers and overall many encouraging support that epitomize the true pilipino culture i have come to love called: bayanihan!

again, maraming salamat and mabuhay y'all!


archie and norielynn lawson


:)

[bardips]

hI to fellow architects out there,it seems that our profession is on a sub par when it comes to salary.Thats true,ive worked for almost 6 yrs in ortigas,as a interior/architectural designer (manual)then when i got the chance to work abroad i grabbed it all at once.Before i left our country 4 lang na commands alam ko sa acad,i got a job b4 in jeddah...acad operator daw kelangan nila i tried my luck buti na lang FAST LEARNER AKO after two years i go back to our country...ganun pa rin,now ive decided to try my luck again pero sa ibang bansa,i went to singapore just last year kaso medyo mababa ang bigayan,mahal kc bilihin dun kaya dapat enough yun sahod mo to sustain ur needs then i try my luck again here in abu dhabi,Ive got a job here as a junior architect...ok naman ang sahod,pero syempre i still do some part time minsan sa bahay lang ginagawa i have my own computer....rendering,minsan yun isang buwan mo na sahod nasisingil mo sa pag render lang,im working in this new office part time lang din,and they r looking for filipino acad designers.Luckily my wife is also an architect,im already processing her papers para makapunta **.Para lang din manila ** dami na pinoy and u will earn more money,tiis nga lang talaga,pero hopefully next year buo na family ko.goodluck to u fellow architects.

After a few years siguro im planning to go back in our country na.Ill try to put up a business.Ill try to put up a gym since thats my hobby here para d ma bored sa room.

[Dunedain]

Any of you (architects and draftmen) folks interested to work outside Pinas (UK specifically), read info here (http://www.3dpinoy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=9981&highlight=#9981).

[gumacanian]

whats with the fee?
P52,000 for short term contract eh..Just asking.

[FendeR_21]

In this times, may pera pa ba sa arki? makakabuhay b yan ng pamilya?

[samantha_jones]

Fender: Depends...alam ko the Manosa's, Palafox's and Locsin's are living well more than comfy hehehehe!!! :D

[FendeR_21]

how bout the employees?

[samantha_jones]

Well if you're really good...who knows you can be the next senior architect...dud you know that in the US. Senior architects earn about 50,000 dollars per year? Yun lang! :D kaya punta na ako dun tapusin ko lang thesis ko! :D

[prinsesa_ako]

ako lang ata ang arki student na may project. HAHAHAHA but i have a problem, nahihirapan ako i juggle time with my projects and schooL! i'm in 3rd yr ust haha so i got my friend;s help eh's a grad from ust den tapos he's super inggit kase baket daw ako binibigyan ng projects sha daw wala. unfair daw. haha yabang ba?? :) i dont even know how i started e basta i did my auntie's spa one time in tagaytay tapos sunod sunod na.

norie: i'm doing a retreat center in baguio.. and yeah even in im super in love with philippine architecture.. uso akse sa baguio yun american style e hehe siguro lagyan lang ng twist :)

[samantha_jones]

prinsesa: Wow okay yan at least diba?! Kanino ka pa sign kasi yung iba samin kay Maam Ponce...libre e! Hehehehe :D

[noriel]

Originally posted by prinsesa_ako
ako lang ata ang arki student na may project. HAHAHAHA but i have a problem, nahihirapan ako i juggle time with my projects and schooL! i'm in 3rd yr ust haha so i got my friend;s help eh's a grad from ust den tapos he's super inggit kase baket daw ako binibigyan ng projects sha daw wala. unfair daw. haha yabang ba?? :) i dont even know how i started e basta i did my auntie's spa one time in tagaytay tapos sunod sunod na.

noriel: i'm doing a retreat center in baguio.. and yeah even in im super in love with philippine architecture.. uso akse sa baguio yun american style e hehe siguro lagyan lang ng twist :)

princess,

congratulations!

:)

[gumacanian]

Noriel...You got a website dedicated to your project yet?
Keep us updated..
Any long queues yet??

[Jeffreyw]

I'm a graduate of Arki in San Carlos in 1997. I took the board twice, but sadly failed both of them. I have worked in several architectural firms in Cebu from 1994 to 2000. I eventually got bored with architecture. I bought an HTML book in 2000, then i decided to make a career shift. I now work as a web designer. Planning to have a web designing and web hosting business in a year or so.

Although, i still have plans to make one last shot at taking the board exam again.

[FendeR_21]

hey jeffreyw, just asking what if u passed in 1997... will it still pursue you to shift careers?

[Jeffreyw]

Well, admittedly, it wasnt only boredom as the reason. It was also financial. I've spent my parent's thousands and thousands of pesos during those 2 exams. I decided that i should be spending my own money on the next exam. In short i had to go back working. I worked as draftsman/designer after the last exam, but a few months after that i got accepted as graphic designer.

When i'll pass on my 3rd exam, i'd probably prefer to work on the web, or maybe not. I don't know. But presently, i really do love the web, and addictively at that.

[prinsesa_ako]

samantha jones: wala kase don sa architect ng uncle ko naiinis ata sa aken kase nawawalan na sha ng gagawin and nobody signs my logbook. maybe its because i dont have one den hehe! ok ba? :) anyway grabe plate namen now, hospital. individual! nakakapiga ng utak!

noriel: thanks! :)

[l_e_o_6_2]

prinsesa_ako,kaya mo yan!goodluck! i miss school work and plates. just graduated and i miss everything na..c",)

[samantha_jones]

prinsesa: Hospital daw ang lumabas sa board exams e...baka practice na. Hehe Lalang... :D

[prinsesa_ako]

talaga? ayaw ko na gumawa ng hospital ever. pero happy na ako kase i figured out the plan na e. haha tagal no now i have 2 weeks left to do everything. hahahaha! tamaddddddd!!!

[FendeR_21]

i took the board exam January 2002.. hospital din :)

[spo5_santos]

How much do they really earn?

[samantha_jones]

spo: Depends on how good you are...and opf course if you're an established name already and how much the project costs...

[TinkerBelle81]

how much usually and salary ng architects na fresh grad sa firm?

[gumacanian]

How much do they really earn?

If I told you,you would pass out!!

[samantha_jones]

You're lucky kung may allowance ka!!!

Anyway fender21 you know my aunt called me and said she hired someone to do her block out for her using cad and she paid like 200 dollars per sheet...eh hello yung block out mga 3d na kahon!!! Gawsh...now sabi ko send me the block out and I'll figure out how to do them so she can pay me 200 dollars instead?! Hehehe. Hey know what mag-abroad na talaga kasi. She also said not alot of people in the US know how to do 3d konti palang daw! Hay lalang...kwento ko lang sa inyo! :D

[gumacanian]

I'll figure out how to do them so she can pay me 200 dollars instead

You gonna charge your own AUNT $200.00??????

[Dunedain]

Originally posted by samantha_jones
She also said not alot of people in the US know how to do 3d konti palang daw! Hay lalang...kwento ko lang sa inyo! :D

Not entirely true. Actually, there already lots of folks who knows how to use 3D, depending on the Level of Detail (LOD) on either the mesh and/or texture map usage. One event to find them: SIGGRAPH. I happen to be one of the many 3D artists. I'm also currently working in a game development studio (already 3 titles in the belt, working on 4 and 5, and doing architectural 3D on the side). :D

[samantha_jones]

guma: Eh she offered kaya...besides it's not like her to sell me short she knows I can do that. She's not your average employer.

dune: Baka she doesnt know lang alot of people who does that. Like JUST that. Not just a on the side thing. Well I dunno that's what she said.

[gumacanian]

I was joking!! Feeling guilty? lol

[prinsesa_ako]

gumacanian: nye. for me? business is business. and her aunt offered naman e :)

[FendeR_21]

so u mean prinsesa_ako.. mag abroad nalang tayo.. ala na talagang silbi ang arkitekture dito.. ? :( feeling ko not much opportunity...

[samantha_jones]

Hey may taga UST pa dito? Kelan ang first delibs may idea kayo kasi may problema pa ako sa book ko hahaha. **** message me!!!

[noriel]

Noriel...You got a website dedicated to your project yet?
Keep us updated..
Any long queues yet??

i do not know how to make a website, but i now have an aol account which allows me to post pictures. yes, will keep you in the loop as to where we are at....so far we are at the denr stage..how to get the baguio city approve the architectural plans, get rip rap/fencing permitl, which pine trees have to be cut, etc. we are presently in baguio since feb 1st talking to the architect, construction engineers, hardware stores shopping for materials,

the queues do not bother me since my assawa and i have all the time in the world to build our retirement home. thank you for your kind interest.

[samantha_jones]

Hi all!!! How's everyone na here! Grabe tagal ko hinanap tong thread...blasted search function hehe. :D Hope we can keep this thread going.

[samantha_jones]

Just trying to keep this thread alive!!!

[samantha_jones]

Bump bump!!!

[samantha_jones]

Helloooo!!! Post naman kayo...

[samantha_jones]

Hello!!! Nasan mg arkitekto wala na ba?

[Dunedain]

Hello!!! Nasan mg arkitekto wala na ba?

Drafted sila to 3D Pinoy (http://www.3dpinoy.com) where you see renders of interior and exterior perspectives. :D

[caryatid_kitten]

Palafox is hiring right now (inside info) - - you supposedly get really good training there...BUT according to the same insider, the pay's really bad.

the best source for job postings for architects would still be Manila Bulletin (sundays).

Oh yes, I heard the Design Coordinates is also looking for new people...If you're interested in project management, why not give this a shot? Their office is in Jupiter st, Makati. I think they have a website...I'm not sure of the exact web address, just google it nalang siguro :P

If you want to be paid reasonably, try prioritizing your applications for developers and/or foreign companies. The local companies don't really pay well (Palafox is notorious for this) and you get stuck just editing cad stuff. Also, if you want to LEARN, try out small to medium sized architectural firms, rather than aiming for the likes of Recio + Casas, Manosa, etc...

Kung apprenticeship ang habol niyo, Recio+Casas try niyo - - alam ko, constant yan....6 months ka lang nga tali sa kanila doing some boring thing - - but the pay is much, much better than Palafox and WV Cosculluela :P

[sp!t_k!cker]

freelance architects, we are a construction company. if your clients need contractors please do contact me through PM or email (paolocristobal@yahoo.com) and we could talk about referral fees (extra income for you).

[samantha_jones]

I'll take note of that spit.

caryatid: I'm in apprenticeship ngayon in a developer firm. Allowance lang but it's fine but I'm looking for greener pastures...unfortunately puro pavement nakikita ko.

Sa palafox daw walang growth...my classmates are into outsourcing...mga cad stuff and renderings...actually im also trying that I'm setting up clientele (naks, as if) with my aunt to do outsourcing cad stuff and rendering here.

Actually ang trick to learning is get out of the comfort zone.According to my officemate na project employee...pero younger sakin...o diba...buti pa siya...pero what the ehck he won the contest the company had about a year ago so shempre...magaling...and self confessed nerd. Haha

[samantha_jones]

bumpity bump bump

[samantha_jones]

bump bump bump!

[Kiam]

bump...please keep this interesting thread alive...

[samantha_jones]

I am so not happy where I am...I take what I said back!

[samantha_jones]

Up up and away!!!

[munchy_munch]

hmm... ano kaya lalabas na problem design this coming Jan '06 board exam? sana di masyado mahirap..

[caryatid_kitten]

^get ready for anything =) But if the trend is still the same, it's good you're taking it January! Mas madali talaga :P heheheh

[samantha_jones]

Up up ko lang para madaling hanapin!!! :D

[Jeffreyw]

I will be in Manila on late January of next year to review for the Board this July. As i have said in page 5 (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68671&page=5&pp=20) this would be my third time of taking the Board, and this would be the last hurrah! I will resign from my current job as a webdesigner which i really love.

I will probably go to JPT for my review.

When do you think will the review in JPT starts?



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[samantha_jones]

Well I'm not sure when they will start for the june exams. They already started the review for the january exams...you should try several review centers for review some of my friends go to JPT for the regular review but they to a different review center for the design and another on for the structural...anyway goodluck! :D

[caryatid_kitten]

Capricorn - OK sa structural.
Design Tech- maganda ang notes - organized.

[munchy_munch]

anyone has an idea when Jan exam will start?
It's so hard to get thru to PRC's line to inquire for.
Line always busy..

[munchy_munch]

and another.....

and application of requirements has already started?
when?

[munchy_munch]

I will be in Manila on late January of next year to review for the Board this July. As i have said in page 5 (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68671&page=5&pp=20) this would be my third time of taking the Board, and this would be the last hurrah! I will resign from my current job as a webdesigner which i really love.

I will probably go to JPT for my review.

When do you think will the review in JPT starts?



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I think most probably review in JPT will start by Febraury.
In reference to their last year's sked.. But try to inquire also to them to be sure..

[samantha_jones]

I have no idea...just updating this so people who can help you wont have to dig thru several pages of topics!

[BingoWingo]

grabe talaga ngayon ang architect especially if you work in a firm na kilala like Locsin, Manosa, Coscuella, babaratin ka...

I know for a fact since a colleague of mine applied for work sa isang company na binanggit ko sa taas, they chopped off what he was asking in half and they were offering him about less than what he can earn if he worked for a callcenter...
grabe...10 yrs experience pa sya ah..mas mataas lang sa autocad operator ang binibigay sa kanya, mga plus or minus 2thousand..
for an autocad operator ata ngayon starting is 8T eh..

pero sobrang baba..

anyhow guys I am also planning to go back to the work force as well..any recommendations sinong okay na firm? at kaninong maganda experience makakakuha as I just need it for experience wise, baka kasi punta na ako US next year for work eh.

[caryatid_kitten]

work for a developer not an architectural consultant, unless it's a foreign design consultang with an office here.

[samantha_jones]

Hi guys, anyone interested to do autocad work? Contract documents, architectural interiors, details, plans, manual and computer based presentations. Please PM me. We're starting a company na ganito ang ginagawa. Please also if you can send me a portfolio. Great help yun. Anyway...kailangan namin ng production team. Thanks!

[shoe_addict]

And we also need someone na licensed na and experienced...portfolio is really important! Hopefully underway na to by january!!!

Up ko lang!

[samantha_jones]

Heyyyy....lalang up ko lang!

[BingoWingo]

la na ata ako narinig sa yo samantha re: ur looking for an architect?

[Jeffreyw]

Hi,

Can you please post Arki Review Centers in Manila? I'm looking for one. If you their numbers kindly include it.

Thanks!


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[saltnpeppa]

Hi! I'm with Mañosa & Co. (formerly Francisco Mañosa & Partners)

We don't have any vacancies right now, but you may want to email your resumes for future reference.

mail@manosa.com

[Jeffreyw]

Hey!!!

Finally, i am now officially an architect! Ironically, i am now working as a webdesigner in one of the companies in Makati. :D

Architect na, webdesigner pa! Hehe

[Sol_Badguy]

konti na lang yata mga arki dito? sino buhay pa sa inyo?

[FendeR_21]

buhay pa ba to??? hirap maging archi.. daming plano,daming gawin, walang bayad...