I need help! SHOULD GAY/LESBIAN COUPLES BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT?

[pagan]

can someone please help me on this? i have a debate coming soon and i need different points of views regarding this issue.

personally, i'm all for it.

[TREX OKIARU]

I don't want to be rude or anything pero I don't think na ganun kadali lang yun and I prefer for those couples not to adopt.

If they really want to share their love to child, then why not just support a child (like sending him/her to school) but not in a way of introducing them to a kind of lifestyle those couples have like adopting them to live with them and be a family

Kung iisipin parang bat ganun yung sagot ko.. parang makitid ang utak no.. pero kasi much of my concern is going for the kid. This is kind of setup would be a big burden for him/her, maybe not now in the sense the baby pa sya.. pero pag laki nun, so many question that would linger in the kid's mind, the kid's feelings, the way of thinking and all of those stuff.

siguro mabibigay rin naman ang love eh, baka mas greater than would be given by a "normal" family pero isipin din naman yung magiging outcome nung setup outside the home. and with the kind of society we have right now.. it won't be easy.

I believe a child have to right to be in a normal family, to live in a family that is "ideal"

For my side kasi.. kung magkakaanak ako... akuin ko na lahat ng sakit, hirap, emotianal distress basta wag lang maranasan yun ng anak ko, gagawin ko. Gagawin ko ang lahat ng sakripisyo basta wag lang sya makaranas ng kahit anong emotional hardships.

(drama ko no :D .. pero from the heart yung sinabi ko)

[CaRaMBa]

Wow, this is a great topic for a debate! I can just imagine a debate!

For me, these couples should be allowed to adopt children, since they can't have one of their own. It's unfair that they're not allowed - if they can be good parents, then why not? I don't agree with what Trex said - that the child should not be introduced to that kind of lifestyle. It's just like saying that lifestyle is wrong. In general, it's not. Unless you get into the AIDS debate and all that - but then that's stereotyping so let's not get into that.

But, after thinking about what Trex said, I came up with another issue, which I think is a good-enough basis to think twice, for the couple. There is a risk that the child will be teased by his classmates, and he'll be depressed and he won't know what to do, etc. In a sense, his childhood will not be 'normal'. Now that will be tough. This is a very possible scenario: the gay couple actually adopts out of selfishness - they adopt because they want to feel fulfilled as parents. But they're not thinking of what can happen to the child as he grows up.

I'd like to know what happens during the debate. If you could post the important points here, please do.

Good luck!

[pagan]

hey guys! thanks for the replies! :)

i agree that it's not right for a gay couple to adopt if the only reason they want to do so is so they can fulfill their needs to become parents. when it comes to adopting, the first thing they should take into mind is whether they can provide a home that is physically, mentally, socially, and spiritually fit for the child to grow up in. i can't see any reason why gay couples can't provide these to their children.

some people argue that having same-sex "parents" would make other people tease the child when he goes to school someday, and this would cause emotional injury to the child. this is true, i guess, but who doesn't get subjected to a little teasing every now and then in their whole life? basta sa simula pa lang, i-e-explain na dapat ng parents sa kanilang kid na he's different in the sense that his parents are of the same sex. they should also explain to him and prepare him for the possible teasing he could get later on.

if the alternative to living with gay parents is living with "normal" parents who cannot provide properly for him, then i think the former is my choice.

there are also no scientific findings and studies that would prove that children of gay parents would inevitably become gay themselves. personally, i think that children who grew up with gay parents are more open-minded when it comes to dealing with issues regarding gender and sexuality.

God bless! :)

[CaRaMBa]

Yeah, we should have more studies on this.

[BODACIOUS]

There is no prohibition in law disqualifying gays/lesbians to adopt.

[BODACIOUS]

Art. 183. A person of age and in possession of full civil capacity and legal rights may adopt, provided he is in a position to support and care for his children, legitimate or illegitimate, in keeping with the means of the family.
Only minors may be adopted, except in the cases when the adoption of a person of majority age is allowed in this Title.

In addition, the adopter must be at least sixteen years older than the person to be adopted, unless the adopter is the parent by nature of the adopted, or is the spouse of the legitimate parent of the person to be adopted. (27a, EO 91 and PD 603)

Art. 184. The following persons may not adopt:

(1) The guardian with respect to the ward prior to the approval of the final accounts rendered upon the termination of their guardianship relation;
(2) Any person who has been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude;

(3) An alien, except:


(a) A former Filipino citizen who seeks to adopt a relative by consanguinity;
(b) One who seeks to adopt the legitimate child of his or her Filipino spouse; or

(c) One who is married to a Filipino citizen and seeks to adopt jointly with his or her spouse a relative by consanguinity of the latter.

Aliens not included in the foregoing exceptions may adopt Filipino children in accordance with the rules on inter-country adoptions as may be provided by law. (28a, EO 91 and PD 603)
Art. 185. Husband and wife must jointly adopt, except

[pagan]

BODACIOUS:thanks for the info! teka, bakit putol? :)

[gobo]

think about this:

if a single mom or dad can take care of kids, whether by choice or by circumstance

it follows that it is assumed that having one person around to take care of a child is already enough ... regardless of gender.

so ... kung one person is enough, e di two shouldn't be a problem.

kung male-female pwede ... e di why should there be a problem kung male-male or female-female?

just a point you might want to raise at your debate pagan.

the problem kasi with debates is that they're not solution oriented. the point of a debate is the art of argument.

but at least it gets some info to people who might not have thought of those info before. =)

[gobo]

i had another thought! (although medyo off topic, in reaction lang to trex's post)

i don't think parents should shield their children from emotional hardships.

instead, they should arm their children with the right tools to handle these hardships.

like a right frame of mind, right perspective, stress management, how to be angry without being destructive, blah blah blah

kasi diba, if you are sheltered as a child, baka you'll grow up inadequate.

kaya nga dapat gov't should require parents to take parenting training!

if you need a license to drive nga eh, pero ang pag alaga at pag aruga ng isang buhay walang license required?

goodness!

[TREX OKIARU]

Yup its right, we should not shield our children from emotional distress but rather arm them.

but the situation here is different, we're talking about building a family that is basically defying the rules for a "normal" family.

Ok... teach him to be strong, ...give him reasons, give him BIG love.. pero do think that would be enough? Do you think wala ng questions in his mind regarding his situation... If you will the parents of that child and you give him that much love, would you be prepared to see your child hurt because of the realizations that he's coming to know outside of your home and in an early age??? (you already know that the setup is "different"). May control ka pagdating sa loob ng bahay pero pag labas nya sa bahay makokontrol mo pa ba yung maririnig nya, malalaman nya sa ibang tao???

Who knows what impact this would lead to when the child grows up. Theres nothing wrong of giving love (hell, its all good), pero when giving love.. diba your doing it not for your own satisfaction but for the welfare of another.

Giving love to a child can be done in many different ways, even in a other much fruitful means. My point is, if you know the consequence that you're putting a child in.. would you do it anyway?

Yun lang po :)

[pagan]

i found a few research materials over the weekend and most of them are actually pro-gay/lesbian adoption. (goody for me! :P)

here's one thought...

adopting is not an easy process (by no means!). there is a very long and tedious deliberation regarding the eligibility of the possible parents. they (the government or the DSWD or something, i forgot) check on their financial & emotional stability and other necessary things that might affect the growth of the child. if the person or the couple is found to be lacking in some of these necessities, then the adoption will not push through. the main thing that this stresses is that state agencies and courts apply a "best interest of the child" standard. studies have continually proven that the parents' homosexuality DOES NOT make their child any less disadvantaged compared with the child whose parents are heterosexual.

more later... :)

[Hot Pants]

interesting thread you got here! *okay*

some people may raise their eyebrows upon a child who is being raised by gay/lesbian couples. that's a hard fact and a hardhitting one at that. but if the gay/lesbian couples will assure the child of their noble intentions in raising him; that they will love him and treat him like their very own; that they will appreciate him for what he is and for what he wants to be; that they will prevent their "marital conflicts" get in the way of his life, then the child can acquire the tools necessary to face the world and daunt the challenges that await him. and read this: being teased and ridiculed about his family background is just a part of those challenges. it's just a part of the whole big picture. afterall, it should not be a goal of parents to prevent their sons/daughters to face conflicts in life because conflicts when seen in a positive light must be regarded as challenges that provide opportunity for people to be wiser and tougher individuals.

of course i'm aware it's not that easy. but if agencies and organizations create social programs that promote education of gay/lesbian couples in raising a child, then it wouldn't be a problem in the long run.

... and forget about what others might think of children being raised by gay/lesbian couples. afterall, these children can be wise and tough enough to be able to shrug off such senseless criticisms. wouldn't it be great to know that they can be able to break social barriers in the society? :)

:goon:

[TREX OKIARU]

Thats what I hate about studies, they tend to generalize things..
3 out of 5 are healthy, 7 out of 10 are good, 9 out of 10.. etc. Hv you ever thought of that remaining 2 kids that were not healthy? , or that remaining 3 kids that were not good??? What would happen to them???

Hey.. we are talking about lives here not just numbers or statistics. :(

Probably if a study says that its 100% ok then i would agree with no qualms whatsoever.

You cannot just ignore something and generalize that it is ok if there are those the "small" few still being affected

again, we are talking about lives here, not statistics.

and also Adoption to "normal" parents isn't also that 100% successful (heck... even natural families doesnt turn out to be 100% successful), need we make it more complicated by adding another aspect that a lot more difficult to handle and consequently wasting lives (lives that we considered as the minority in those studies.. marginal quantities that can be accepted)

[rains_delight]

I think it is not advisable to adopt a child for gay/lesbian couple. Okey, on the first few years, the relationship will be just fine but there will come a time especially when the child goes to school and his/her classmate will ask him/her "Bakit ganun, ang parents mo parehong babae or parehong lalaki? " or worse "Bakit ang mommy mo bading?"

There might be problem to the child later on.

On the contrary, if the couple will let the child feel that he/she is being loved and proactivity will be embed in his/her system, then I don't think any problem will occur.

[Hot Pants]

Originally posted by TREX OKIARU
Thats what I hate about studies, they tend to generalize things..
3 out of 5 are healthy, 7 out of 10 are good, 9 out of 10.. etc. Hv you ever thought of that remaining 2 kids that were not healthy? , or that remaining 3 kids that were not good??? What would happen to them???

Hey.. we are talking about lives here not just numbers or statistics. :(

Probably if a study says that its 100% ok then i would agree with no qualms whatsoever.

You cannot just ignore something and generalize that it is ok if there are those the "small" few still being affected

again, we are talking about lives here, not statistics.

and also Adoption to "normal" parents isn't also that 100% successful (heck... even natural families doesnt turn out to be 100% successful), need we make it more complicated by adding another aspect that a lot more difficult to handle and consequently wasting lives (lives that we considered as the minority in those studies.. marginal quantities that can be accepted)

trex , studies and social programs are conducted to simply alleviate and improve some of the problems concerning the society. it does not aim to make everything perfect because it simply cannot be done when you keep in mind the fact that we are dealing with all kids out there who have no natural parents to take care of them. we are speaking in terms of very large numbers here. and statistics play a major role when speaking of large numbers. but don't fall into the conclusion that i don't value the lives of every kid out there.

face it, there are so many poor children out there that still live in orphanage houses. would it make you comfortable that some kids are not being picked by couples who want to adopt just because they don't look attractive enough? imagine a kid's face as he watches in pure envy a fellow orphan who has just been picked by a couple as they walk hand in hand and approach the couple's car and speeds off the highway on their way to a seemingly promising future ahead of them. take into account the fact that there aren't enough couples out there to accomodate all the kids living in orphanage houses. hell... even all orphanage houses cannot accomodate the countless children roaming around the streets. again again, we are dealing with large numbers here and we must be able to come up with certain measures to alleviate the problem. and allowing gay/lesbian couples to adopt children is just one of those certain measures.

you've pointed out about how prejudiced people can be to children adopted by lesbian/gay couples... but don't you think that that should be the focal point of the problem? should we always become submissive to principles that are simply errant and prejudiced? we can't eliminate a senseless principle by becoming submissive to it. we can only beat a principle through another principle.. and that's what we are all trying to do.

take a look at the bigger picture. keep in mind the number of children still living in orphanage houses with no one to give them the opportunity to feel what it's like to live in a normal home. those children will most probably grow up to be delinquents. remember also that social institutions that grant gay/lesbian couples the permit to adopt always stress "the best interest of the child". so why should we worry about what other people might think about them? it's better than living in an orphanage isn't it?

it's not only a matter of giving children the opportunity to be able to experience having a family and a home, it's also a matter of giving out the impression that kids who are being adopted by gay/lesbian couples must not be a subject of ridicule.. that it can result to something really wonderful and yes, normal.

:goon:

[TREX OKIARU]

a.) I have nothing against statics.. but when it comes to statistics pertaining to children.. its a very different thing, inde pedeng acceptable na ang isang bagay kase 90% efficient/accurate sya.

b.) what these kids in orphanages are wanting is love. Feeling lang nila wala nagmamahal sa kanila and the fact na may mag-aadopt sa kanila meron na rin magbibigay sa kanila ng love. That is what they want, a person / or persons that would love them and take care of them kasi inde nila nararanasan yun (sasabihin inde ba yun ginagawa ng mga taga orphanage???.... kase nga they do it as a whole.. what these children need is personal attention.)

(Personal note: Siguro if we just became big brothers or big sisters to this kids.. it will really do alot)

c.) tsaka ganun ba adoption?, pinipili nun parents yung kids like puppies.. na kung sino yun pina cute yun ang pipiliin nila? (ang alam ko sa adoption, a child is chosen not based on looks... but on the evaluation made on the parents which is then matched with the characteristics of a child. Pag prinesent na yung bata sa parents, tapos inde nila nagustuhan yung itsura.. then conclusion wise.. inde sila ready for an adoption.. and the one conducting the adoption legalities should know this) **medyo off topic na to***

d.) regarding "principle", your saying to eliminate this kind of thinking.. yup we try in editorials that we should be like this, literary.. that we are like this... pero reality wise.. I don't think so. Ideal... yes.. reality... far from the ideal. It is a different world out there. Inde porke nabasa na ng isang tao ang lahat ng articles regarding this eh alam na nya.. try going out so one can experience it and know that most of the time the reality is a way far out cry from what you have read. Iba yung nababasa sa nakikita at na-eexperience.


e.) "Most children from orphanages will grow delinquents" (siguro sa pelikula). Pero I don't think so, the children are affected by their environments, they are like sponges that easily absorbs. Put them in clean safe environment (physical, intellectual, emotional) and they would grow up ok. (Basically it is us "ADULTS" that corrupts the minds of these children)

f.) "experience them to have families"... sa simula lang to eh.. ang concern is what comes during his stay at "that family". Yung ang pino-point ng topic. Masaya sa simula, pero pano na in the long run?


==TREX==

[munik]

I do believe that gay/lesbian couples should be allowed to adopt. My partner and I both would like to have children of our own and adopting is one of the options we would be considering.

We have been "practicing" by "borrowing" our nephews/nieces from time to time. We would either stay home with them and babysit them while their parents went out or take them out to Mc Donald's or some other kiddie place. :)

Some points to consider:

- Why would kids raised by homosexuals be ridiculed? This is because the kids who ridicule them were not taught by their parents that homosexuals are not deviants.

So, kids raised by homosexuals would be more tolerant and more open-minded and therefore will be ready for whatever discrimination they'll be subjected to.

Originally posted by TREX OKIARUI believe a child have to right to be in a normal family, to live in a family that is "ideal" Who is to say what's normal anyway? We usually equate normal with mainstream. With society slowly becoming more tolerant, what if homosexual couples increase in number to equal or exceed heterosexual couples? Would you call heterosexuals "abnormal" then? As for an "ideal" family, ang dami pa ring kabataan coming from good families who become a menace to society.

I agree with Hot Pants. Most children in orphanages are better off being with gay/lesbian parents than staying in the orphanage.

[Hot Pants]

Originally posted by TREX OKIARU
a.) I have nothing against statics.. but when it comes to statistics pertaining to children.. its a very different thing, inde pedeng acceptable na ang isang bagay kase 90% efficient/accurate sya.

i've mentioned before that we cannot expect everything to be perfect when we speak of very large numbers. that is a clear cut fact whether social institutions create social programs/studies or not. there are already studies conducted by social agencies about the differences between children with straight parents and those with gay/lesbian parents. the results are pretty uniform and the conclusion is that there are no significant differences among them. that's statistics for you.

b.) what these kids in orphanages are wanting is love. Feeling lang nila wala nagmamahal sa kanila and the fact na may mag-aadopt sa kanila meron na rin magbibigay sa kanila ng love. That is what they want, a person / or persons that would love them and take care of them kasi inde nila nararanasan yun (sasabihin inde ba yun ginagawa ng mga taga orphanage???.... kase nga they do it as a whole.. what these children need is personal attention.)

(Personal note: Siguro if we just became big brothers or big sisters to this kids.. it will really do alot)

they do it as a whole? go to orphanage houses and ask the children there if they don't look at kids with families with envy. i've interviewed kids like that before when i conducted a research about orphans during my practicum. and how can you say that children living in an orphanage are properly taken care of? with so many children there, a child cannot have the regular attention that he needs. it's like you're saying that old people who are spending the rest of their lives in the "home for the aged" are feeling no remorse whatsoever.

yes, you can be a big brother. but will you be be able to visit the child with regularity? it's a given fact that the family is the basic unit of the society. one aspect of life everyone has to go through to be able to feel a real sense of belongingness and regular attention from very significant people whom which he can be able to spend regular time with. try to feel the real significance of the word "home" and you'll know what i'm talking about.

c.) tsaka ganun ba adoption?, pinipili nun parents yung kids like puppies.. na kung sino yun pina cute yun ang pipiliin nila? (ang alam ko sa adoption, a child is chosen not based on looks... but on the evaluation made on the parents which is then matched with the characteristics of a child. Pag prinesent na yung bata sa parents, tapos inde nila nagustuhan yung itsura.. then conclusion wise.. inde sila ready for an adoption.. and the one conducting the adoption legalities should know this) **medyo off topic na to***

face the facts. if you are granted the permission to adopt, you won't try closing your eyes and randomly point at some seemingly blank space and say: "viola! here's my child! yay!".

d.) regarding "principle", your saying to eliminate this kind of thinking.. yup we try in editorials that we should be like this, literary.. that we are like this... pero reality wise.. I don't think so. Ideal... yes.. reality... far from the ideal. It is a different world out there. Inde porke nabasa na ng isang tao ang lahat ng articles regarding this eh alam na nya.. try going out so one can experience it and know that most of the time the reality is a way far out cry from what you have read. Iba yung nababasa sa nakikita at na-eexperience.

excuse me, i do go out of the house regularly and i'm very much in touch with reality, thank you very much.

of course i don't claim to know anyone who is being raised by gay/lesbian parents. although i've been able to visit some sites wherein they featured many true to life accounts and experiences of people who have gay/lesbian parents. the fact of the matter is that their family background has not really affected their way of living. yes, they may be subjected to derision but if the family has progressed out of love and respect, they simply won't care about these criticisms because they'll still be thankful to have such caring and loving parents. don't be so pessimistic. why should you care about what other people think when most people with gay/lesbian parents doesn't care about it anymore. they are thankful for having such good parents and that is that. there's no more reason to worry about them.

e.) "Most children from orphanages will grow delinquents" (siguro sa pelikula). Pero I don't think so, the children are affected by their environments, they are like sponges that easily absorbs. Put them in clean safe environment (physical, intellectual, emotional) and they would grow up ok. (Basically it is us "ADULTS" that corrupts the minds of these children)

how can you be so sure? it's very clear and obvious that children with families will feel more adequate than orphans. and you are generalizing when you say that "ADULTS" corrupt the minds of these children. let me point out to you that adoption agencies educate and train prospective parents before they grant them the permission to adopt.

f.) "experience them to have families"... sa simula lang to eh.. ang concern is what comes during his stay at "that family". Yung ang pino-point ng topic. Masaya sa simula, pero pano na in the long run?

what about orphans? pano rin sila in the long run?

don't you know that the social agencies that grant permits to couples to adopt keep a close surveillance on them? if the child is not properly taken care of, the agency will terminate the parental rights of the couple who adopted. that's why there are laws regarding adoption because they stress the child's security and best interests.

:goon:

[pagan]

God Bless you people!

ang dami kong nakukuhang different views and points! i'll let you know what happens after the debate (it's this friday, by the way). :)

[TREX OKIARU]

pareng hot pants medyo pinepersonal mo na ata eh.

When i did my comment, i just raised out my point in contrast to your views pero kumbaga sa grammar eh naka third person yun(no need to raise a temper).

Pero since your pointing at me directly na, here are we go:

hiri lang ng konti:

You say: "if you are granted the permission to adopt, you won't try closing your eyes and randomly point at some seemingly blank space and say: "viola! here's my child! yay!". " -- medyo sarcastic na ata tayo dito. You totally missed out my point.


continued,

no significant difference with that of a normal adoption.. may problema na nga sa "normal" dadagdagan pa ng ibang aspect.. in turn mas dadami yung chances of failure (and lets admit it na mas difficult yung being with gay parents lalo na with the society we are in). kaya ganto reaction ko kasi another window is being opened, with this window a new number of children will eventually feel hurt.

Tell you what.. have you ever embraced a child (a total nobody to you, not your son, not your niece not even a kin) who's so scared out of his wit, perspiring and crying???... and you don't know what to do. You're trying to comfort him but you feel totally useless... Do you know how that feels??? You could feel the tremble on the kid's body, and you're speechless because you can't say anything and you cannot do anything.. do you how much hurt that feels???? Yung tipong ikaw maiiyak kasi wala kang magawa sa mga panahon na yun, gusto mong murahin at suntukin sarili mo kasi nga wala kang magawa.

When you come to feel these senses then probably you would say "f*ck those statistics." (uniform, no significant difference.. hmmm ibig sabihin inde pa rin 100%, may butal pa.... that some cases are neglectable???..... i dont think so)

[TREX OKIARU]

Dont give instances that ganito maganda, dito maayos..probably sa isang case... ay naku sobra ganda at saya pero pano na yung kasong ika nga eh neglectable.. tiningnan na ba natin yun??.. my concern is generally what would happen.. so ayan naman statistics na 90% successful, pano na yung 10% na inde, neglectable na.

Normal adoption, sabihin na nating 85% successful. tapos here is another window (with gay adopting parents).. ano rating nyan.. sabihin na nating 80% successful. may 15% na nga dun normal plus dadagdagan pa ng 20% dun sa other window.... do know how much kids are involved in the failure rate?

lets face it, with the kind of society we have.. gay parents with adoptive sons would be ridiculed (oki sabihin na natin inde dapat pero ganun ang nangyayari eh.. and with this ridicule children get hurt). isang problem pa lang to, how bout other problems at instances that children would be physical hurt :mad: ... sasabihin may bantay, inde naman kikilos yung mga bantay na yan kung proof eh.. yung tipong may nangyari na. tapos tsaka huhugutin yung bata (dont know how much stress, emotional pain, hurt this gives a child?)

ang sakit kasi pag nakakakita ka ng bata na nasasaktan na wala naman syang ginagawang kasalanan, his only fault is his innocence (tayong matatanda ang may kasalan eh, minsan we do stuff for ourselves, for our satisfaction.. pero yung nagbabayad eh yung mga bata).

sa kagustuhan nating dagdagan ang isang aspeto just to get "fulfilled" kuno (to share love, be happy, for guidance..etc..)...dinadagdagan din natin yung mga number ng mga bata mapupunta sa "failure rate" at ito ang ayokong mangyari.. tama na ngayon mahirap na, papahirapan pa rin ba natin lalo?

tapos sasabihin bat inde ako maging optimistic when it comes to this aspect, mataas din naman ang success rate.. hell, we are talking about children here not numbers, these are lives.

last comment ko na po to, i have said what i want to say.. yun lang po :)

===TREX===

[Hot Pants]

okay pareng trex unang una, di ako sarcastic sa post ko. that's just my style to say the least. wag ka naman masyadong sensitive. :)

now, i've noticed lang na pinaikot mo lang kasi ang usapan sa last post mo eh(i'm not sarcastic ok?). i totally get what you've been trying to say even before i made my previous post. it's you who really missed my point. :)

di ba sabi ko kanina, research findings have already found that there are no significant differences between children who were raised by straight parents from those who were raised by gay/lesbian parents? so for example, we had a control group(kids who have straight parents) and the experimental group(kids with gay/lesbian parents). each group had 50 members so masasabi nating there are 100 subjects in the study. then the conclusion of the study is that there are no significant differences between the two groups.

so what does this suggest? hindi nito ibig sabihin na "nagdadagdag pa tayo ng bagong window" dahil in the first place, ang katunayan na walang significant differences ang dalawang grupo ay nangangahulugang hindi na dapat sila kailangang paghiwalayin ng "window". dahil ang buong "window" nga ay sumasakop sa 100 na mga bata na iyun.

here's one question that i should have brought up earlier: how do you judge whether the raising of a child is successful or not? nasan ang basis mo? so far, the only basis you have mentioned is the amount of ridicule they receive from other people. if that is your only basis, it defeats the purpose of seeing the overall picture on how we must judge success in raising a child(mind you, the adoption agencies always see to it that the overall picture is emphasized). and this brings us to the topic of statistics in which you are so concerned about. let's just say 93% of those kids had a successful upbringing. then you'll bring up again how unfair life had been for the other 7%. so can you conclude that the reason on why they had miserable lives is because they were raised by gay/lesbian parents? you have to check again on the overall picture on how to judge a child with successful upbringing. remember that statistics in very large numbers are sensitive to extraneous variables. like i've said earlier, it's impossible to get a 100% success rate when dealing with such large numbers. as long as the numbers are favorable and consistent, then we should at least be glad on the fact that adoption agencies are doing such a good job handling the children.

... and besides, like what munik stated in her/his post, the society is now becoming more tolerant to the gay/lesbian community.

singit ko lang to:

isang problem pa lang to, how bout other problems at instances that children would be physical hurt ... sasabihin may bantay, inde naman kikilos yung mga bantay na yan kung proof eh.. yung tipong may nangyari na. tapos tsaka huhugutin yung bata (dont know how much stress, emotional pain, hurt this gives a child?)

trex, mapa-normal parent.. mapa-bading.. mapa-tibo.. child abuse is still possible. kaya sa tingin ko medyo off-topic ka na sa post mong ito. :)

:goon:

[keener]

i guess d naman masama na mag adopt sila coz it will make them happy... pero kawawa naman yung bata pag lumalaki na... syempre magtatanong yun... aasarin pa ng mga kaibigan niya diba?

[pagan]

Oo nga, pero if proper naman yung upbringing sa kid nung foster parents nya, then in one way or the other, he WILL overcome the teasings that he'll (inevitably) get from his peers. what's "kawawa" is if he doesn't get adopted and he gets to stay in the orphanage, or worse, in the streets.