Why most of us hate Networking?

[hanz007]

I am asking why many of us hate networking, multi-level marketing, network marketing and the likes even if the program is legal and legitimate?

I am asking why even for the fact that many became rich through this type of marketing, still there are hesitations and many are still not convinced by this system (and that includes me).

I have my own reasons but I want to hear from you.

On the other hand why should I engaged in such business?

[mo_money]

I dont! In fact, I'm doing good with my networking business.

Advise to all who want to do Networking: Make sure you get a legitimate product that even if you dont do the business you still can make use of it.

[tadeus]

Things I hate about networking, multi-level marketing, network marketing and the likes...

1. Fooling a new recruit saying they earn hundred thousand of pesos in a span of a few months but after seeing them a year after, still the same...same porma...same house...same car...same gimik

2. Promises of a brand new car, a yatch and millions of pesos.

3. A lot of WOW! story telling when recruiting.

4. Knowing the person, whom the recruiters says, earns a lot of money in a month(Php 100,000.00++/month)...had a million peso car(Mitsubishi Pajero 2001 Model)

...but does not have to money to repair their house.

Why don't they just be frank!:mad:

[rains_delight]

simply a scam. I had attended several networking seminars. They told same stories.

[KuyaDanny]

All I hear/read about are the good things (success, money, fulfillment, etc.) No one bothers to talk about the bad side.

[mo_money]

I guess, hearing or reading about the good side of networking is something that is inherent in any business or even in life. This is being tought in all aspects. In religion for instance, we are assured that if you do the "right" thing we will have eternal life or we will be in Heaven. Isn't it? In our jobs, we are promised of a promotion, more benefits and perks if we just do what is expected in us (at least for me.) This systems is even used by parents to encourage their kids to study harder. But the bottom line is, we have to work for it to achieve that goal. This is not an easy task as it entails hard work and sacrifices.

Networking is not an easy task as what others try to tell their recruits. If somebody tells you something about networking that is too good to be true then there's a big chance that it is a SCAM.

[nadadeturbe]

Network marketing, by its fundamental definition, is legitimate and makes sense. It is word of mouth marketing and it is proven to work. There are marketing empires that persist and make billionaires. Like all businesses it has a lifecycle and this can be managed so more people can benefit. It will work for many but not for most people. Look for a company that has a strong R&D culture, whose product is not just a novelty, whose organization will nurture entrepreneurship, and whose pricing and product premise is competitive. The product per se, has to sell. People won't buy just because it is marketed differently.

Since it is no different from running most small-scale business, the question is is networking right for you?:D

[CaRaMBa]

I don't like how most of them do business. Hard sell. I don't like the effects of it, I don't like what they do to the people who join it. Most of my friends who got into Nu Skin I really tried to avoid while they were very active with it. And it's like that with most of my friends. They say that they tend to avoid their friends too because they're just too annoying when it comes to their products.

I hate their being secretive. They don't tell you outright. I remember that I contacted this girl for a business, so we set up a meeting. When I asked for the name of the company, she was hesitant. She didn't give it and just gave me the room number. I knew at that time that it was an MLM thing. Related to this, I hate how they believe so much in their presentations. They seem to think that everyone who goes through their presentation will believe what they say.

And I don't like the way they HYPE their products or services. There's no other way to describe it. It's HYPE. I went to a Nu Skin presentation around two years ago (?) and they were talking about this internet thing. What happened to it? In the presentation they make it seem urgent. Join now, or baka maubusan ka ng mare-recruit 'cause everyone's joining already. Okay, if they're THAT popular then a lot of the people I know should be using their products. But that's not the case.

[hanz007]

I have also ben envited to a Nu Skin Presentation but i turned it down because the one who envited me refused to tell me about their products and the name of the company. Imagine that! I was so disappointed with her style trying to trick me.

Why don't they just tell their prospects right away. Be kind to them and tell them the whole truth. Don't try to force them to attend your Presentation. Tell them the Good and Bad side of networking. Dont BUG your friends with your offer. If they are not interested stop offering them the same product or opportunity.

[china_kyle]

Kasi may mga story sila na you can be a millionaire even if you dont work at all, tapos may sample pa sila ng guy na naging millionaire kahit na walang ginawa, una i find it unbelievable saka kung totoo man yon, e parang a bad way to earn a million, parang nag e earn ka sa paghihirap ng iba.

[mo_money]

Earning doing nothing? I don't believe in those. They probably have done their part long time ago. There is no such thing as earning millions doing nothing! Unless of course if you won the Lotto. Don't be fooled with their stories!

[kramer2002]

All arguments are valid based on your personal experiences with network marketing, but you know people, we do not judge a system just because some people misuses it.

Networking is just another marketing tool. Nothing more, nothing less. What makes it good or bad are the people who uses it.

Case in point, take the spear for example. Would you say that a spear is good because it is use for hunting, to provide food for our families? Or would you say that a spear is bad because it is use to kill other people?

Neither, isn't it? The spear is just a spear. What makes it good or bad are the ones who uses it. This is not any different in network marketing or any other system for that matter.

So I doubt if we will ever hear from a millionaire networker that networking is bad just like we will not hear from a failed network marketer that networking is good.

Now here's a little something to think about. Have you ever watched a movie that is so cool that you tell all your friends about it? And these friends of yours, who trusted you, also watched the film?

Like it or not, that's networking my friends. Oh, did the theater pay you for it? I don't think so.

What I am saying is that networking is part of our lives. We engage in it almost every day but we just don't realize it.

So the next time you tell a friend how great is that movie or how delicious are the food in that restaurant or how beautiful are the dresses in that store. Go to the owners and tell them to pay you because you just promoted their businesses. :D

[tadeus]

Originally posted by kramer2002
All arguments are valid based on your personal experiences with network marketing, but you know people, we do not judge a system just because some people misuses it.

Networking is just another marketing tool. Nothing more, nothing less. What makes it good or bad are the people who uses it.

Case in point, take the spear for example. Would you say that a spear is good because it is use for hunting, to provide food for our families? Or would you say that a spear is bad because it is use to kill other people?

Neither, isn't it? The spear is just a spear. What makes it good or bad are the ones who uses it. This is not any different in network marketing or any other system for that matter.

So I doubt if we will ever hear from a millionaire networker that networking is bad just like we will not hear from a failed network marketer that networking is good.

Now here's a little something to think about. Have you ever watched a movie that is so cool that you tell all your friends about it? And these friends of yours, who trusted you, also watched the film?

Like it or not, that's networking my friends. Oh, did the theater pay you for it? I don't think so.

What I am saying is that networking is part of our lives. We engage in it almost every day but we just don't realize it.

So the next time you tell a friend how great is that movie or how delicious are the food in that restaurant or how beautiful are the dresses in that store. Go to the owners and tell them to pay you because you just promoted their businesses. :D

...Are you a MLMer?

...You talk like one.:)

[mo_money]

Exactly kramer2002!

[kramer2002]

Originally posted by tadeus


...Are you a MLMer?

...You talk like one.:)

Yes tadeus, I am.:)

Am I making millions? No, not yet...too far fetched.

In fact I failed in an internet mlm before, but it didn't stop me from finding a better company. (Oh oh, eto na si kramer2002...finally going to give his sales pitch:D )

Don't worry people, I will not try to convince any of you. I just want to erase some misconceptions about network marketing in general.

Here's a hard fact. 90% of network marketers failed. Why? because they joined for the wrong reasons. They're in it for the money and the money alone. I'm not a hypocrite to say that I don't want the money. Ofcourse I want it, just like everybody else...but that's not the primary reason why I'm doing networking.

I'm in it for the education. I wanted to learn how to sell. You see I have vision of building my own company. How long do you think a company would last if its founder doesn't even know how to sell?:D

So why others fail? They are like the archer who focuses so much on the prize money and not on the bulls eye. If the archer would just focus on the bulls eye then the prize money will follow.

I know....and I learned it the hard way:D

[CaRaMBa]

kramer2002 - What you said makes sense but I can't blame myself if I end up dismissing it also because I've heard it before. From two other people. Exact thing - about the movie and the food.

The difference is that when you tell your friends about the movie or the restaurant, you don't 'force' them. It's not hard selling. You don't say after watching a movie "Hey, I did something a while ago and I'd like you to go through it also so go to a seminar." Your friend asks "What is it?" And then you'll say that you'll explain it the seminar. It doesn't work that way. Also you don't annoy your friend to high heavens to the point that you'll be avoided. You will only probably mention that restaurant or movie once, when the subject is brought up.

So you might say that it's similar to word of mouth. Yes it is. But there's also a big, big difference.

[tadeus]

Movie...

friend1: Pare, ganda ng Lord of the Rings! Panoorin nyo pare sulit pera nyo!

friend2: Ows, talaga? O sige panonoorin ko mamaya!

Persons who earned money when friend2 watches LOTR:
1. Movie house
2. Mall
3. Gasoline Station (if he/she has a car)
4. Parking (if he/she has a car)
5. Public Transport (if he/she commute)
6. Food Outlet

...friend1 did not force friend2 to watch LOTR and friend2 watched the movie and was satisfied.

MLM...

friend1: Pare gusto mong kumita ng malaki?

friend2: Paano?

friend1: Sali ka lang dito sa company ko, yayaman ka! Alam mo ba si ano yung nasa TV doon yumaman yun....

friend1: Basta kita tayo sa may Mcdo sa....

friend2: Ok yan ha? Baka lokohan yan? O sige punta ako para sayo.

...and they meet, they attend the seminar and they eat...

friend1: Ano ok? Sali ka na!

friend2: Pare, magbibigay ako ng Php15,000 para sa mga shampoo, sabon, juice at kung ano-ano pa na para kumita lang yung mga nagrecruit sa akin? At para kumita ako kailangang magrecruit din ako! Eh sino ba bibili sa akin ng shampoong Php1,500 isang bote? Hirap ibenta yun pare!

friend1: Ganoon talaga yun. Tingnan mo ako, sa katapusan kikita ako ng Php20,000.

friend2: Sige pre ayoko. Kikita ka lang kung marami kang narecruit at naloko. Imposible eh! Sige sa susunod na lang!

If friend2 joins the MLM company and pay Php15,000 as "joining fee", these are the effects:

1. friend1 earns
2. the person who recruited friend1 earns
3 the person who recruited the person who recruited friend1 earns
4. friend2 developed a hidden hate to friend1
5. friendship broken
6. friend2 will recruit someone just to have his money back

...friend1 is forcing friend2 to join, but the latter did not give in and analyzed the outcome. Friend2 insisted not to join and their friendship ends.

[mo_money]

Caramba, I totally agree with you when you say that telling your friends about a good movie or a delicious food you ate from a restaurant has a big difference from trying to sell a thing or idea. What kramer2002, I think is referring to is the fact that they use the same medium in "advertising" (consciously or unconsciously) -through the word of mouth.

Word of mouth is so powerful that even Showbiz talk shows are using it as their source - TSISMIS. You probably would like to know why this programs stays for years. People buys it. On the other hand, this is also dangerous as it can destroy your cridebility, personality, career, relationship, etc.

MLM is a good thing and teaches so many good points. BUT IT IS NOT AN EASY TASK AS WHAT OTHERS ARE TRYING TO PORTRAY.

One thing about MLM that I like is that, I can dream BIG and do something about it. I can never dream big with my monthly salary (except of course if you own the company that earn millions per month). I can dream big when I buy a lotto ticket but can do nothing but to pray that I may hit the Jockpot prize.

You can never make a difference if you do not do something different from what you are doing at present.

[kramer2002]

You're right CaRaMBa, there are no right or wrong answers here. We're just exchanging opinions.

Let me ask you something. Have you been approached by a vacuum cleaner agent who knocks on your door and insist on demonstrating their product by cleaning your house? No matter how many times you say no, he always finds a reason to somehow convince you? They are sooooo annoying aren't they?

Do we blame the vacuum cleaner company for that? Yes, we do.

Are they involved in network marketing? No they are not. Their system is called direct selling. Still we blame the company because we associate the agent's behavior to the company.

What I'm trying to say is that annoying sales agent or distributor is not exclusive to network marketing. There are a lot of them out there, network or not.

Sales is everywhere. In fact, sales is an inherent part of our nature. What we are doing here, "exchanging opinions" is selling. When a baby cries for milk, that's selling. When a kid pester their parents for a toy, that's selling. When you talk to your boss asking for a raise, that's selling.

Are they annoying? Very much. Do we hate them for that? Ofcourse not, they are just trying to tell us the truth that they need milk, toys and a raise.

Now, if a network marketer lie to you in the beginning. That's a different story. Perhaps you hate the person and not the system. Telling a lie is never part of network marketing, unless it is a scam.:D

[CaRaMBa]

That may be your view - that they're both 'word of mouth' or advertising. But I really disagree. MLM can't be simply word of mouth because of the sales talk involved. There's a seminar, there's a strategy, there's a spiel. With word of mouth, it's really just a mention. It may be a rave, but just a simple one. No strategy, no memorized lines.

[hanz007]

Originally posted by CaRaMBa
That may be your view - that they're both 'word of mouth' or advertising. But I really disagree. MLM can't be simply word of mouth because of the sales talk involved. There's a seminar, there's a strategy, there's a spiel. With word of mouth, it's really just a mention. It may be a rave, but just a simple one. No strategy, no memorized lines.

Word of mouth is not as simple as "just a mention". Sometimes it can impeach a president and install a new one! ;)

[quarklion]

It is very true that one can be a billionaire in Networking, et all . But only if you are the founder of this scam. If you are among the pioneers you will be a instant millionaire for sure. The rest will be big earners and the much much much big crowd of members are the lossers. Remember the triangle thing? Much of the money below flows upward. When the market is saturated, it will die down and the billionair/millionairs will start a new Network business with new strategy leaving the new members in the air. So that is why this kind of business is still here in our system.

[CaRaMBa]

When you talk to a friend about a nice movie, it's just a mention. Okay sometimes you can rave about a movie but there's no strategy involved, no plan, no memorized lines, no spiels.

I wouldn't want to talk about impeachment 'cause that's a different thing, I think people wanted the former president out way back.

What are the MLM's that are questionable? Those that have pending cases, those that were proven illegal, etc?

[kramer2002]

quarklion, what you say is undeniably true on the premise of SCAM.;)

There are a lot of legit business out there, which adapt the network marketing system.

A Toyota Car dealer in the States uses network as one of its marketing technique. Would you say that those people who bought the car from them are loosers? I don't think so. They bought the car because it has value to them. It doesn't matter whether they work on the business or not. What's important is that they get their money's worth... not to mention the business opportunity that goes along with it.:D

So how do you distinguish the legit from the scam? 3 things my friends.

1. Company
2. The Product
3. The Marketing Plan

Company - like in any other businesses, it is a must that you look into the company's background before investing. If the investment is large, like in the stock market, try to study their income statement for the past 3 years. It is readilly available at SEC. You'll know where the company is headed just by studying their financial statements.

Product - If the product has any value to you and it is not overpriced then you will never be on the loosing end, no matter how deep you are down the line. But sadly, a lot of products in MLM are overpriced to compensate for the commissions. Notice, I said a lot, not all. :) There are products out there that are reasonably priced. However, it still boils down to your perceived value of it.

Marketing Plan - One rule. If it's simple, it's good. If a person cannot explain the whole marketing plan to you in 1 minute, chances are he's taking you for a ride.

One last thing. If somebody tells you that you'll get rich quick in their scheme, pack your bags and run like hell. :D

There is no such thing as get-rich-quick. Network business is serious business. You will encounter all kinds of rejections and humiliations. You will be laughed at and ridiculed by your own relatives and friends. In a addition to that, you may not receive your first check for as long as 1 year. Networking is survival of the fittest. Only the Thick Face, Black Heart practitioners will eventually survive.

As someone said, Network marketing is for everybody, but not everyone is for network marketing.

Peace:)

[quarklion]

Thanks kramer2002.

So, Networking is a ligitimate business. It looks like this business are being hijacked by some elements to make big profit. Why is it some company could operate here in the Philippines without the approval of the SEC?

[kramer2002]

Originally posted by quarklion
Thanks kramer2002.

So, Networking is a ligitimate business. It looks like this business are being hijacked by some elements to make big profit. Why is it some company could operate here in the Philippines without the approval of the SEC?

That's the sad reality quarklion. The cunning and the ruthless has the ability to spot some powerful tools and think of ways to use it to their full advantage. Look at the internet:D

During the advent of MLM in the Philippines, sometime in the early 90's. There are indeed a lot of companies who operated without SEC approval simply because their operation is illegal. They have no product at all. These companies are what we know now as Pyramids.

Now, they have grown wiser. To be able to get SEC approval, they find a product to sell. So, they are now a legitimate company complete with products to carry. Where's the scam here?:cool:

ssshhh, I'm going to tell you a secret modus operandi... 'wag nyong sasabihin ako nagkwento nito ha :D

A group of people finds a product to sell. Then they try to convince other people by promising them great wealth in a short period of time. Their commissions are high, too good to be true. After a couple of years, the company will file bankcruptcy. Then the board of directors split up the shares. Malalaki na mga kinita nila. After that, they will regroup and look for another product to sell. Then the cycle begins.:(

To my fellow network marketers, I'm not trying to destroy this great industry we are in. On the contrary, I'm trying to uplift the society's perception of it. Patas lang dapat ang labanan. Sabihin agad ang totoo sa mga prospects.

You and I both know that the real downline performers are those motivated by the true nature and potential of the business. Yung mga taong pinipilit natin makuha, to the point na papangakuan pa ng kung anu-ano. They will never perform. Instead they will end up as our enemies and enemies of the industry. Just look at what's happening now. The general perception of the industry is negative.

Now, here's a little something. By the rate the MLM industry is going, it is projected that by the year 2004 around 80% of the world's products and services will be sold thru this cooperative marketing system. NOTE: This is just a projection based on what's happening now and not a hard fact.....NOT YET. :D

[mo_money]

Originally posted by quarklion
Thanks kramer2002.

So, Networking is a ligitimate business. It looks like this business are being hijacked by some elements to make big profit. Why is it some company could operate here in the Philippines without the approval of the SEC?

Can you name the company you are referring to?

If its an Internation and internet based MLM then theres a big chance that they are covered by our SEC.

If you are just a member or one of the affiliate of these MLM companies that are based abroad and you happen to market their products locally through individual referrals then you are not covered by the SEC.

If you put up a corporation to market their product exclusively then thats the time you need SEC Registration.

(Correct me if I'm wrong)

[quarklion]

Lets ask Kramer2000 about that. :)

[kramer2002]

Originally posted by quarklion
Lets ask Kramer2000 about that. :)

sorry po... can't do that. baka makasuhan tayo dito hehe:D

just do the math and trust your instincts;)

[mo_money]

I realize that too!

Question: If you are to buy a product that is available to both: MLM and open market or retail store, where will you get your product? Same product, same brand, same quality and same price.

[tehillah]

answer: sa MLM na. why? kasi i get to help other people earn and at the same time, have a chance to earn also. :)

fact is, i bump into this situation yesterday. parang ok naman. na-explain naman ng maayos, with all legal papers. product is rice, a basic need. baka you want to help out din o! i'm a full time post-grad student...unrelated field... need extra cash kaya i tried this networking...but honestly, la akong alam dito!

anyway, what is there to loose, they have a product that i can use, fair price and same quality.

mo_money & kramer2002, tips naman dyan o. parang you are doing very well in this mktg. technique. thanks. God bless.

[mo_money]

Originally posted by tehillah
mo_money & kramer2002, tips naman dyan o. parang you are doing very well in this mktg. technique. thanks. God bless.

One very important tip I can share with you: Follow their system religiously.

[tadeus]

Originally posted by mo_money


Question: If you are to buy a product that is available to both: MLM and open market or retail store, where will you get your product? Same product, same brand, same quality and same price.

...MLM? Same product, same brand, same quality and same price?

...Sorry man, never seen a MLM product with the same quality and price...

...for me MLM products are overpriced!

...that is why they resort to this marketing strategy.

[hanz007]

Originally posted by tadeus


...MLM? Same product, same brand, same quality and same price?

...Sorry man, never seen a MLM product with the same quality and price...

...for me MLM products are overpriced!

...that is why they resort to this marketing strategy.

I agree!

[mo_money]

tadeus and hanz007:

You didn't get my question. I was trying to give a situation where the same product, same quality and same brand is available to both the MLM and retail store at the same price. Iwas not asking if you've seen a product with same quality and same brand and is available to both the MLM and retail store at the same price.;):D

[tadeus]

Hi mo_money!

This is your question...

Question: If you are to buy a product that is available to both: MLM and open market or retail store, where will you get your product? Same product, same brand, same quality and same price.

..I think you should wrote "What if there's a product that is available to both MLM and Retail Stores, where would you buy?"

...like what I wrote up there "THERE IS NO MLM PRODUCT WITH THE SAME QUALITY AND PRICE!" So I cannot choose.

...if there is one, pls post it right here.

Peace! :flower:

[mo_money]

...oh sorry i'm not a good english writer as you probably have noticed. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the revision. But still your answer is not for my "revised question". There are only two possible answers: Buy it from MLM or buy it from a retail store or other source beside MLM. It's not a question of wether there is a product or not that meets all the requirements. We are only assuming that there is this product. ;)

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

Originally posted by mo_money
I realize that too!

Question: If you are to buy a product that is available to both: MLM and open market or retail store, where will you get your product? Same product, same brand, same quality and same price.
ok i'll answer your question..... if pareho lang naman yung product, brand, quality and price, i'd rather buy it from the MLM company, through this yung pagbibilhan ko mag-i-earn ng points and makakatulong ako sa network nila, kung sa retail store kasi konting tao lang ang makikinabang sa kita.....

pero syempre kelangan pa ring i-consider yung availability ng product, eh kung wala ka namang kilalang nag o-offer ng product na to from this particular MLM Company eh di sa retail na lang ako kukuha....

well yun lang naman ang sakin.... eh ikaw ba san ka bibili just incase na may ganito ngang pagkakataon kang makita mo_money?

[kramer2002]

Originally posted by tadeus
...like what I wrote up there "THERE IS NO MLM PRODUCT WITH THE SAME QUALITY AND PRICE!" So I cannot choose.

...if there is one, pls post it right here.

Peace! :flower:

Hi tadeus,

I can say that pre-need products adapting mlm are fairly priced. That is why the toughest mlm competion in our country today is in the pre-need industy.

In fact, almost all pre-need companies are gearing towards mlm. So it maybe just a matter of time when we cannot compare mlm to other distribution system because all that will be left is mlm.... in the pre-need industry that is.:D

[tehillah]

thanks mo_money & kramer2002 for ur pm.

yung mlm na rice na sinalihan ko, same quality, same price, actually, cheaper by a few peso than a warehouse club pa nga eh.

just a thought lang... *****, poor din english ko kaya kami nagkaintindihan ni mo_money...:lol:

pm me nalang if anyone interested... hope to hear from you.;)

[mo_money]

tadeus,

kramer2002 is right! My product belongs to this category. You know what? I got this from an MLM Company and is a lot cheaper that getting it from the source itself. If you want i can give you details so you can investigate it yourself just to prove to you that there are products that exist. I cant post it here as I may be violating the rules of this thread. ;)

[mo_money]

Originally posted by CLaiRe_ChiLL

ok i'll answer your question..... if pareho lang naman yung product, brand, quality and price, i'd rather buy it from the MLM company, through this yung pagbibilhan ko mag-i-earn ng points and makakatulong ako sa network nila, kung sa retail store kasi konting tao lang ang makikinabang sa kita.....

pero syempre kelangan pa ring i-consider yung availability ng product, eh kung wala ka namang kilalang nag o-offer ng product na to from this particular MLM Company eh di sa retail na lang ako kukuha....

well yun lang naman ang sakin.... eh ikaw ba san ka bibili just incase na may ganito ngang pagkakataon kang makita mo_money?

I already found one and I got it even cheaper through the MLM. So the idea that MLM is always overpriced is NOT TRUE.

[hanz007]

If what mo_money is saying is true and real then i probably would consider getting the product from an MLM Company. Kung saan makakamura, doon ako.

[tadeus]

What kind of kind of product?

What company?

Convince me....;)

[mo_money]

Originally posted by tadeus
What kind of kind of product?

What company?

Convince me....;)

tadeus,

Just to give you an idea, my product is a FAMILY Accident Insurance that costs only P600 per year and covers your family up to 4 children below 18yo (brothers and sisters below 18, if single) and your spouse (Parents below 65yo if single). The coverage amount is 200K for the principal, 100K for spouse and 20K each child.

I learned that If I'll get this from the insurance firm where our MLM company is getting this very same product it turned out that they are expensive by almost 30%.

PM me your email address and i'll tell you the company so you can investigate it yourself.

[hanz007]

hey mo_money, PM me your program. I'd like to study it and investigate it myself.

[myk_r7]

;) Alam mo baka mali ang napasukan mong MLM company. As we know there are a lot of new Mlm company that is arising now a days my tip 2 you is join a networking with a stability on it , international company, Best product lines and marketing plan........ I'm involve in a no.1 company i the Phil. which is................just tell me if your interested to know the company.... Pero yun nga just dont join at once .......IMBISTIGAHAN MO PARA SURE k...Gudluck sayo.....:p :p

[remmar]

alamin nyo munang kung cgurado ba kayo sa papasukan nyo ang daming ngang mga nanloloko ngayon. kung gusto nyo ng totoong networking at complete lahat ang legal documents and evrything tsaka marami ang nag papatotoo na kumita nga sila. Tignan nyo rin kung yung mga procut ba eh talagang kailangan ng marami . Kami sa powerhomes straight forward kami bibigay namin lahat sa inyo ng mga kialangan nyo para magawa mo talaga ang business na ito hindi pa yan sa amin kumpleto ang training nga mga tao and remember ang bayad nyo eh para sa training package namin hindi sa kung anong producto na kailangan nyong ibenta gaya ng insurance, sabon, internet box at kung ano-ano pa tsak dapat nyo ring alamin kung ang pundasyon ay malakas cg bahala na kayo sa buhay nyo tignan nyo na lang yung site namin http://www.powerhomes.net

[kramer2002]

remmar, this is exactly why a lot of people hate network marketing. You're pushing too hard.

People read this thread to learn and not to get pitched at. This is not the venue to promote your business. Haven't you notice, not one marketer here explicitly stated their companies except you.

We're informing the public about this industry in general, not for a particular product, company or whatever.

Peace.:)

[mo_money]

Remmar, I think you should try to obseve courtesy in all aspects of network marketing. Please also try to learn the basic of Marketing On-line. Ask your up-lines or search the net. This is for your own good and for the good of you MLM Company.

[kindPapa]

mlm is a way to sell overpriced consumer items that you really don't need by selling you promises of instant wealth by selling these same overpriced items you don't need to your family and friends.

[mo_money]

Originally posted by kindPapa
mlm is a way to sell overpriced consumer items that you really don't need by selling you promises of instant wealth by selling these same overpriced items you don't need to your family and friends.

To a certian point I agree with you and I should say that yes you are right with your observation. What I don't agree is when you generalize MLM as selling overpriced products as I have an MLM that sells underpriced product. The reason why its underpriced is that it eliminates the agent inbetween the product and the client. I dont also agree that MLM are selling products that people dont need for there will be no market at all. If you are saying that people just buy the products simply because of the promised earnings then you better check as that maybe a SCAM and not a "legitimate" MLM.

[b_9904]

Originally posted by hanz007
I am asking why many of us hate networking, multi-level marketing, network marketing and the likes even if the program is legal and legitimate?

I am asking why even for the fact that many became rich through this type of marketing, still there are hesitations and many are still not convinced by this system (and that includes me).

I have my own reasons but I want to hear from you.

On the other hand why should I engaged in such business?

why people hate MLM:

1)Some said bacause we NETWORKERS dont tell them the down side.

Reaction: like all business establishments not all of them succeed. If you want to expand your business however you tell investors/partners/etc the success stories and the TRUTH. in MLM however not everybody tells it, isa na ako dun dati, for fear of rejection and failure.

2)MLM products are over priced and impractical.

Reaction:to cite a few practical products are H2O purifiers, Health Supplements, Insurance, and in FLP the MPD can be used in agriculture. MLM products are never overpriced sinced you can rarely find them in the retail outlets and if you want to hear overpricing look at this:

Factory/manufacturer(F) sells the products at % (25 to 50 depending on the item, electronic products are 200% but they vary) higher than the cost to manufacture the item. the (F) then sells the products to distributors who in turn sells the products to a wholeseller (w) for a %. the (w) sells again the products to retail outlets for a % and in turn sells the products to end-users for a %.

in MLM the distributor goes directly to the factory, the product is discounted, who in turn goes directly to the end-users.

however, there are companies who do sell nonesense products and over priced products but... not every MLM company. just like in the "real" world some are overpriced but not all.

3. Networkers "force" you to join the business.

Reaction: not everybody. some abuse the system and some dont. just like in school some abuse you for being nice to them and some will return you with kindness. remeber "kasalanan ni juan ay hindi kasalanan ni pedro"

4. sa totoo lang i'm just repeating the whole thing pero it is worth a try after all i am to EDUCATE a whole religious order why not try it in pex. (i posted the excact thing last year)

5. Only the poineers will earn big otherwise known as "pagkakakitaan lang ako ng upline ko"

Reaction: in the corporate world the boss hires you to do a job for him. he then pays you but without your knowing that your boss made a hefty profit.

In MLM only the people who perform WELL will earn money.

example: if a poineer has only 3 active legs and a person in his 100th generation has 50 active legs then who do you think will earn more? all LEGIT MLM companies have a limit as to how many generations are in your personal sales organization, PSO if abbv (the organization where you may earn money). in the company i am in it's up to the 3rd generaton. so in MLM the poineer who stops expanding his distributor business will be eventaully be overtaken by a more active and driven distributor BUT if the poineer together with his experience, knowldge and wisdom doesnt stop expanding his distributor business THEN and only THEN the lower levels will have a HARD time overtaking him.

in case that a particular MLM company/distributor said i am wrong then thats a pyramiding scam or the person is lying most probably.

6. Pyramiding and MLM are the same.

Reaction: sa totoo lang i'm just repeating the whole thing pero it is worth a try after all i am trying EDUCATE a whole religious order why not try it in pex.

pyramiding companies and thier distributors earn money by RECRUITING PEOPLE ALONE with or without a product, usually a product is just a front and at closer inspection they turn out to be pyramiding scams. the pay out will be from recruitment but not through the sale of a product.

in MLM the payout is from 2 sources personal sales and the sales of the whole organization or PSO. in short COMMISIONS from the sale of the product not recruitment alone. however, expanding your distributor business is much more important than personal sales BUT personal sales can never be IGNORED.

example: a pyramiding scam offers a WEBSITE, wala akong inaaway ha example lang, as a product for let say P10, instantly you will become a member just by paying the P10, and you have to have a X number of people within your PSO to earn at the end of a trading period NOT the amount of products sold to customers.

a legit MLM company will base your commision from the total volume of products sold to end-users. let say 5% of P10,000 or the like. also a legit MLM company will give the end-user a choice wheter to join the marketing plan or just use the product for personal consumption.

7. GOD! advice to everybody lang ha. READ MLM books so you can study it for yourself and avoid all the pitfalls and other blunders in MLM also most of the questions here are answered by those books. i got most of my answers from a local atenean writer i am also currently looking for a book by a guy named Yarnel. KNOWLEDGE is power, but i think initiative to learn is better.

anyway, to those who wants to join MLM and you are ignorant in the matter i suggest you read books about it so you will be informed and know whether the company is legit or not, good or bad.

to those who oppose the idea of MLM think about the HISTORY FRANCHASING they are very similar kayo na bahala ang maghanap ng related materials dami naman dyan eh.

hopefully by REPEATING all this posting ang all will enlighten some people. if not... then the HIGH COUNCIL WILL EAT ME UP LIKE A CAKE.

PEACE!

[Strange_Dejavu]

Guys, i suggest you take a look at www.mlm.ch and view the short presentation by Professor Charles King, harvard business school Phd. and professor of marketing at the university of illinois.

just watch the very informative presentation (in flash, i think) and see for yourself what MLM is all about.

[nance]

I found this by making a Google search for "Charles King" +MLM:

"...Dr. Charles King is actually an mlm partner with Mark Yarnell (front line through his wife's name)! It was Mark's idea to start the U of IL's Certificate in Network Marketing. Yup...he's a NuSkin rep even though he will deny being part of the Industry...he won't deny his wife IS and check her background...it's hilarious!

Isn't it amazing that these Self Proclaimed 'MLM Experts' are actually puppets of the MLM puppeteers??"

from http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ATEG/mlm-truth-yarnell.html

I also found this:

http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/

"This site exists to provide factual information for prospective and current MLM distributors. This includes Amway, and now Quixtar among others. People deserve a chance to get all the facts before they spend their time and their money. Amway and Quixtar, and their IBOs are all out there telling prospects the information they want them to have. I am one person trying to get them the rest of the story."

[Strange_Dejavu]

bakit kaya pag sinabi ko nakakita ako ng multo or aswang, madami naniniwala? pero pag sinabi ko nakakita ako ng angel, matatwa sila?

it's good that there are people on the lookout for illegal or scam type MLM's... keeps everyone alert and vigilant...

but do we blame the system or the people running the system? there will always be people who will take advantage of anything to make easy money...

did the presentation not make sense? i thought it did... did charles king promote any particular MLM company? no he did not.
i also knew he was connected with nu skin but if someone says something that makes absolute sense, then im willing to listen.

it is easier to believe that simple people, who had nothing to lose, were used as puppets by MLM companies to promote themselves, rather than to believe that they succeeded beyond their wildest imagination through hard work, persistence, and determination...

matalino tayo sa kanila eh diba? mas magaling tayo dahil may pinag aralan tayo? sikat yung school natin, kilala pamilya natin, mas madami tayo kilala diba? magaling tayo gumawa ng resume, mabilis tayo mag type, magaling tayo mag english........ hindi pwedeng mas successful sila satin ngayon diba? diba? ano lang ba meron nila??? burning desire to uplift their lives and their future generations, yun lang..... willingness to learn and determination to succeed, yun lang..... mas importante naman na maganda resume mo diba??? mas importante kung san ka nag graduate??? :rolleyes:

in order to earn, one must learn. in order to learn, one must have an open mind. Open mind lang people... dont blame the water if you cant swim.

peace! :D

[nance]

I believe that part of being open-minded is the desire to seek out all sides of an issue.

I never claimed that Dr. King's presentation didn't make sense. I simply posted a site with comments about him that I thought were interesting. And like all things posted on the web, that bit of info may or may not be true. I merely pointed it out.

Why blow your top just because somebody presents an opinion that's contrary to yours? Doesn't seem like something an open-minded person would do.

[taong_gubat]

mweheheheh beri pane!

[Strange_Dejavu]

Did i blow my top? DID I BLOW MY TOP???
DID I?!@#@$@#$@#$&@*$&@*$*!!!!!!!

AAAAAAARRRGGGHHH!

:D