Why did God tell Noah to built the Ark

[bone clinkz]

Originally Posted by Kraven

How did Noah feed all those animals ? How did animals living in islands like the marsupials managed to cross the ocean to reach Noah ? How did the saltwater fishes survived ? How did the all plants survived ? Where did the excess water go after the flood ? What happened to all those Civilization that was wiped out, surely there must be proof of their existence ? Surely the Arctic and Antarctica would've melted. Water would've also leaked into active volcanoes. Where are all the physical evidences ? Did God wiped them out too ?

Bottom line: People should really just stop interpreting biblical verses literally.

God directed Noah to gather the food for the animals.

some animals are known to have self preservation instincts that would cause them to hibernate for short periods if there are any natural disasters to preserve themselves. this is true today and science has proven it

the evidence is plenty, its just a matter of believing if it related to the flood or not. of course opposing sides have opposing views. the problem with most scientists is that they believe that what happens today is consistent with how something would behave over the course of hundreds or thousands or even millions of years. here's the evidences from a Creationist website: http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...5/i1/flood.asp

as for volcanoes, there are underwater volcanoes today. i don't see how water can extinguish a volcano. its heat source is the lower crust and the mantle of the earth. i don't think all the water in the earth can extinguish that

plants of course can grow again if they have their seeds. seeds can be submerged for a time and then planted and it will sprout

as for marsupials in Australia, there are already aboriginals in Australia before the Europeans got there. how did they get there? Australia is too far away for little boats to reach. the prevailing theory here even among evolutionary scientists is the land bridges caused by the ice age.

i am not sure about civilizations before the great flood. there are may theories on this from the creationist perspective. we know that people can build a great tower (Tower of Babel) and that Noah has the knowledge to build a massive ark. we uncover a lot of things today that may actually be pre-flood. but no mention of the state the civilization was in at that time

[bone clinkz]

Originally Posted by Fenix

I know you didn't say it, directly. So if I ask then who created malaria and aids you will most probably say that God just made the proteins ans it is a consequence of man's sin and free will that malaria and aids was formed. Paikot-ikot lang ang discussion di ba?
anyway, off-topic na ako.

i don't know if man's free will has anything to do with viruses

proteins fold in peculiar ways that we can't really say how they reacted when the first virus was formed when gene strands came into contact with some protein.

scientists are trying to understand protein folding today and there is this massive project called Folding@Home which tries to do just that

[bone clinkz]

Originally Posted by SamLowry

^^^^^ the funniest part of this Noah story is how it relates to biogeography.

apparently, all marsupials had a meeting and all agreed, save for 1 possum-like marsupial, to all go to AUSTRALIA. "Ok, all pouched mammals, let's go!"

so explain to me how aboriginals came to Australia then? according to evolutionary scientists, they were there something like 75,000 years ago. where there big boats back then to cross the vast ocean? were there monkeys in australia that evolved into humans? if the humans evolved in australia, why don't they have pouches? surely pouches looks like its very important in australia that many animals evolved to have this. why didn't the humans in australia evolve to have pouches?

[bone clinkz]

Originally Posted by sagingsaba

Give me a sample of what your god has created in the 20th century

i have already answered this. i said i don't know if God is creating something right this moment. i do know that God created everything and that He has the power to create. its immaterial for me if He created anything in the last 24 hours or not. i know He can if He wanted to. the universe He created is vast, if He created something in it in the last 100 years, how would we know?

this is the same as the saying, "if a tree fell in the forest, would it make a sound?" the point being, just because no one was there to witness something doesn't mean it didn't exist or it didn't happen. we know that falling trees make a lot of sound because of the vibrations involved that would produce that sound. i believe in God and His power to create. i don't need a recent creation to prove that to me.

on the other hand, can you show me an animal that has evolved into another species in the last, say, 4000 years? if evolution is true, why are there no new species now that came from a previous species that we've discovered? surely in the long written history of man there should have been a few species that are in the middle of the evolutionary process that it has become something else between the time we began to record history to this day.

and yet you believe in evolution

[wimpy_kid]

Originally Posted by bone clinkz

the animals came to Noah, directed by God

obviously Noah didn't need to save the fish

Why not?

Noah did not take any fish, or other marine life, on the ark,[1] so every species of fish, mollusc or crustacean observable today had to survive out in the open ocean for the 367 day[2] duration of the flood. This would have presented numerous insurmountable problems. The mixing of salt and fresh water would have killed many fish, tremendous oceanic turbulence would have killed others, and still others thrown out of their normal habitat would die of starvation.

Could you clarify this?

And how could the polar bears and penguins travel to a warmer climate without dying off? Why don't you just concede that noah's story is fictional and cannot be backed up by any scientific proof.

[wimpy_kid]

Originally Posted by bone clinkz

i have already answered this. i said i don't know if God is creating something right this moment. i do know that God created everything and that He has the power to create. its immaterial for me if He created anything in the last 24 hours or not. i know He can if He wanted to. the universe He created is vast, if He created something in it in the last 100 years, how would we know?

this is the same as the saying, "if a tree fell in the forest, would it make a sound?" the point being, just because no one was there to witness something doesn't mean it didn't exist or it didn't happen. we know that falling trees make a lot of sound because of the vibrations involved that would produce that sound. i believe in God and His power to create. i don't need a recent creation to prove that to me.

on the other hand, can you show me an animal that has evolved into another species in the last, say, 4000 years? if evolution is true, why are there no new species now that came from a previous species that we've discovered? surely in the long written history of man there should have been a few species that are in the middle of the evolutionary process that it has become something else between the time we began to record history to this day.

and yet you believe in evolution

We accept evolution. And you do not know anything about evolution obviously. Remember your "survival of the strongest" crap? Proof that you know nothing about evolution. SO if I were you, I would not try and bring that into this discussion because you'd just be crapping all over the place with misconceptions. Read up first. Try Origin of the species. Maybe, after you've read it, you'll understand that 4000 years is a very short time for new species to evolve.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html

10,000 years, very recent. Tsk tsk. Read up and try again.

[Kraven]

How did the Koalas survived ? They can only eat Eucalyptus leaves! Did Noah went to Australia to gather Eucalyptus leaves ?

How did the Pandas survived! They can only eat Bamboo! So Noah also went to China to gather Bamboo ?

How did the Bees survived ? They need a constant supply of fresh flowers to make honey! Is there a flower farm in Noah's ark ?

How did... How did... How did... ah forget it.

[wimpy_kid]

Why couldn't god just made the evil people drop dead? He could do that right? Why make someone build a kick *** boat? Who was he trying to impress?

[Admiral Conic]

Originally Posted by sagingsaba

Give me a sample of what your god has created in the 20th century

Originally Posted by bone clinkz

i have already answered this. i said i don't know if God is creating something right this moment.

how about you and him and me and everyone else?

[bone clinkz]

Originally Posted by wimpy_kid

Why not?

Could you clarify this?

And how could the polar bears and penguins travel to a warmer climate without dying off? Why don't you just concede that noah's story is fictional and cannot be backed up by any scientific proof.

why do you want me to concede?

there are many things in the world that cannot be easily backed up by scientific proof. science hasn't proven everything you know. in fact, science changes so often that some of yesterdays "facts" are no longer facts today as it was already disproven

polar bears may not have existed before the flood and those who migrated to colder climate adapted to it and became the polar bears we know today. thats one prevailing theory

[ETEs]

Originally Posted by sagingsaba

yep, nothing is impossible in the bible ( if you throw away all logic and reasoning ).

woman being created from man's ribs ?
a talking snake ?
noah ark ?
virgin birth ?
rising from the dead ?
walking on water ?
flying into heaven ?

what else ?

this bible is the best fiction book of all time !

How about hanging planets in nothing? And in perfect order?
That is fiction too right?

[Kraven]

Originally Posted by ETEs

How about hanging planets in nothing? And in perfect order?
That is fiction too right?

Who says that the planets are "hanging" ?

[ETEs]

Originally Posted by joma_s

Including malaria, aids and homosexuality?

The cause of HOMOSEXUALITY and Lesbianism is WORSHIP IMAGES or Idol worships sponsored most specially by the billions of Catholics and religions sponsoring Images as Gods.

When Man change the invisible attributes of God into Images, then terrible curses came upon man most specially on our time..

Romans 1:20 God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse. 21 They know about God, but they don't honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22 They claim to be wise, but they are fools. 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. 24 So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. 25 They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen. 26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds. 28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things. 29 They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to get along with. They gossip, 30 say cruel things about others, and hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do evil. These people don't respect their parents. 31 They are stupid, unreliable, and don't have any love or pity for others. 32 They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.

[ETEs]

Originally Posted by Kraven

Who says that the planets are "hanging" ?

So it is in a pedestal? Or Somekind of string to hold it in place?

[pencilcup]

Ok, folks stop arguing.

Sorry, I made a mistake. It's not really the great flood, it is the poison gas.

A pair of all land animals including the family of Noah were given gas masks for forty days and forty nights. Anyhow, sea animals are spared. That's all.

Look, how dull the real story is. I knew you really enjoy about that great flood but sorry, I'm just in the mood when I wrote that.

Yours,
Anonymous aka genesis-author




Seriously, who among the family of Noah's has the head lice at that time. Oh, if they just shaved all their heads before boarding the ark, earth will be much better place to live in.

[retxed]

Originally Posted by ETEs

The cause of HOMOSEXUALITY and Lesbianism is WORSHIP IMAGES or Idol worships sponsored most specially by the billions of Catholics and religions sponsoring Images as Gods.

When Man change the invisible attributes of God into Images, then terrible curses came upon man most specially on our time..

Romans 1:20 God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse. 21 They know about God, but they don't honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22 They claim to be wise, but they are fools. 23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. 24 So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. 25 They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen. 26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds. 28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things. 29 They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to get along with. They gossip, 30 say cruel things about others, and hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do evil. These people don't respect their parents. 31 They are stupid, unreliable, and don't have any love or pity for others. 32 They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.

so blame catholics? can you show us any proof that we worship idols, and images? again, your brainwashed mind is pointing to us catholics that we worship idols! in the first place why should we, or anyone else? i'm no bible scholar, so no bible verse! can you please have a look at your wallet? i'm sure there are pictures in there. your mom? family? what are they for? dios ba sila at kailangan lagi mong nakikita? have you been out of the country when internet is a thing of the past? look out! everything now is man-made! when you watch TV, do you worship what is seen in it? blame catholics for everything! jokla's and t-birds? so? wala sa inyo nun? are you sure?
blame catholics! do you have an idea on what islam is all about?
i guess no! did you know that after catholics, islam is next in numbers ? why not blame them too? just be cautious, your head might fell on the ground. images are the same as pictures,, they are memorials, we don't worship them, they are reminders of who, what, and how we came to be, remind us of our that atrocities in the past should not be done again, here in our midst today! the only constant is change! and we catholics, are flexible, we change too, as long as it's for the good of everyone. for the good of the catholic church...peace!

[Admiral Conic]

Originally Posted by retxed

so blame catholics? can you show us any proof that we worship idols, and images?

3 Do not have any other gods before me.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them

[retxed]

Originally Posted by Admiral Conic

3 Do not have any other gods before me.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them

so what these pictures imply? we worship idols, again? go to talk a japanese, whether you like it or not, you'll bow! so japanese are gods? go to saudi, and rub cheeks w/ arabs, does that make you god! how do you respect your elders? just by calling them by their names? you don't bow? kneel? di ka nagmamano sa lolo't lola mo? sa mga ninong-ninang mo? wala rin? how do you show respect then?
tell me!

[Ischaramoochie]

^ it's for balance, you see. almario has to have a counterpart in the forum.

[SamLowry]

Originally Posted by bone clinkz

so explain to me how aboriginals came to Australia then? according to evolutionary scientists, they were there something like 75,000 years ago. where there big boats back then to cross the vast ocean? were there monkeys in australia that evolved into humans? if the humans evolved in australia, why don't they have pouches? surely pouches looks like its very important in australia that many animals evolved to have this. why didn't the humans in australia evolve to have pouches?

hello bone clinkz, before we proceed, can you tell us what grade you are in? thanks.